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practice_n you_o here_o speak_v of_o without_o the_o least_o offer_n of_o any_o proof_n unless_o what_o follow_v must_v be_v so_o esteem_v viz._n that_o from_o the_o jew_n no_o doubt_n plato_n borrow_v this_o doctrine_n and_o from_o plato_n cicero_n but_o i_o pray_v you_o sir_n permit_v we_o who_o have_v the_o argument_n forementioned_a to_o evidence_n that_o in_o our_o saviour_n time_n the_o jew_n have_v no_o such_o custom_n to_o doubt_v of_o what_o you_o bold_o here_o assert_v 360._o l._n 4._o c._n 5._o p._n 360._o especial_o when_o the_o same_o dally_n run_v antipode_n unto_o you_o and_o tell_v we_o though_o with_o great_a modesty_n ab_fw-la iis_fw-la platonicis_n ut_fw-la videtur_fw-la illam_fw-la purgatorii_fw-la rationem_fw-la baustam_fw-la atque_fw-la acceptam_fw-la tum_fw-la judaei_n tum_fw-la adversarii_fw-la retinent_fw-la sect._n 19_o that_o both_o you_o and_o they_o as_o it_o seem_v receive_v your_o purgatory_n from_o the_o platonist_n 120._o mr._n cr._n p._n 120._o you_o 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our_o church_n liturgy_n sect._n 10._o saint_n chrysostome_n not_o for_o they_o but_o against_o they_o sect._n 11._o his_o citation_n abuse_v by_o master_n cressie_n ib._n as_o likewise_o saint_n ambrose_n sect._n 12._o the_o doctor_n argument_n from_o the_o fruit_n of_o the_o vine_n vindicate_v sect._n 13_o 14._o mr._n cressie_n evasion_n confute_v sect._n 15._o the_o weakness_n of_o his_o argument_n against_o the_o doctor_n exposition_n evidence_v and_o confess_v by_o jansenius_n sect._n 16_o 17._o a_o argument_n against_o transubstantiation_n sect._n 18._o why_o the_o father_n not_o insist_v on_o sect._n 19_o the_o father_n be_v not_o for_o the_o adoration_n of_o the_o sacrament_n sect._n 20._o saint_n chrysostome_n saint_n ambrose_n and_o saint_n augustine_n testimony_n consider_v sect._n 21_o 22_o 23._o the_o contrary_a evidence_v from_o doctor_n taylor_n sect._n 24._o in_o this_o chapter_n we_o meet_v with_o many_o misadventure_n sect._n 1_o 124._o mr._n cressie_n p._n 124._o 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be_v multitude_n little_a sensible_a of_o religion_n and_o so_o multitude_n of_o wicked_a man_n to_o who_o they_o without_o scruple_n give_v the_o holy_a bread_n which_o be_v christ_n body_n albeit_o some_o of_o they_o may_v haply_o vomit_v he_o some_o spit_v he_o out_o again_o some_o throw_v he_o to_o the_o dog_n etc._n etc._n i_o can_v very_o easy_o persuade_v myself_o that_o christ_n have_v rather_o be_v spill_v upon_o the_o ground_n then_o devour_v by_o wicked_a man_n second_o sect._n 21_o he_o conjecture_n that_o the_o heresy_n of_o berengarius_fw-la may_v occasion_v this_o order_n of_o the_o church_n 142._o mr._n c._n p._n 142._o ans_fw-fr but_o who_o give_v the_o roman_a church_n warrant_v to_o violate_v christ_n institution_n to_o those_o end_n to_o commit_v sacrilege_n to_o uphold_v a_o gross_a untruth_n and_o to_o conspire_v with_o the_o heresy_n of_o the_o manichee_n against_o a_o orthodox_n and_o apparent_a truth_n and_o here_o our_o author_n leave_v divine_a though_o 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this_o topick_n must_v be_v invalid_a and_o first_o sacerdotes_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o locum_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d haer._n 79._o coul._n collor_n in_o lovit_n l._n 5._o mr._n c._n p._n 146._o l._n 2d_o de_fw-fr civ_o dei_fw-la c._n 10._o c._n 20._o v._n 6._o qui_fw-la proprie_fw-la jam_fw-la vocantur_fw-la in_o ecclesiâ_fw-la sacerdotes_fw-la the_o preach_n of_o the_o gospel_n be_v call_v a_o sacrifice_n rom._n 15.16_o where_o the_o apostle_n tell_v the_o roman_n that_o he_o do_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d sacrifice_v the_o gospel_n of_o god_n whence_o origen_n style_v the_o preach_n of_o the_o word_n a_o work_n of_o sacrifice_v epiph._n say_v that_o the_o apostle_n be_v elect_v to_o sacrifice_v the_o gospel_n and_o cyril_n of_o alexandria_n that_o the_o priest_n do_v slay_v the_o host_n of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o offer_v the_o victimes_o of_o holy_a doctrine_n to_o omit_v the_o like_a say_n of_o chrysostome_n and_o other_o and_o hither_o we_o refer_v that_o of_o saint_n austin_n cite_v by_o mr._n c._n to_o evince_v this_o proper_a sacrifice_n where_o descant_v upon_o that_o passage_n of_o the_o apocalypse_v they_o shall_v be_v priest_n with_o god_n and_o christ_n and_o shall_v reign_v with_o he_o 1000_o year_n he_o inform_v we_o that_o this_o text_n speak_v not_o in_o a_o peculiar_a manner_n of_o bishop_n and_o presbyter_n to_o who_o the_o name_n of_o priest_n be_v appropriate_v in_o the_o church_n but_o be_v to_o be_v extend_v to_o all_o christian_n so_o style_v as_o be_v member_n of_o their_o high_a priest_n so_o that_o he_o say_v they_o be_v priest_n proper_o so_o call_v not_o in_o reference_n to_o any_o proper_a sacrifice_n to_o be_v offer_v by_o they_o of_o which_o no_o mention_n at_o all_o be_v make_v but_o in_o opposition_n to_o other_o christian_n not_o enter_v into_o holy_a order_n bonif._n seipsum_fw-la obtulit_fw-la &_o ejus_fw-la sacrificii_fw-la similitudinem_fw-la in_o suae_fw-la passionis_fw-la memoriam_fw-la celebrandum_fw-la obtulit_fw-la lib._n qu._n 83._o qu._n 6._o epist_n 23._o ad_fw-la bonif._n and_o therefore_o catachrestical_o call_v so_o and_o that_o saint_n austin_n be_v far_o enough_o from_o assert_v the_o eucharist_n to_o be_v a_o proper_a sacrifice_n be_v extreme_o evident_a in_o that_o he_o call_v it_o the_o similitude_n of_o christ_n sacrifice_n and_o tell_v we_o he_o that_o say_v christ_n be_v immolate_a in_o this_o sacrament_n will_v not_o lie_v because_o if_o sacrament_n have_v not_o a_o similitude_n of_o thing_n of_o which_o they_o be_v sacrament_n they_o can_v not_o be_v so_o now_o from_o this_o similitude_n they_o take_v the_o name_n of_o the_o thing_n themselves_o even_o as_o say_v he_o after_o a_o manner_n the_o sacrament_n of_o christ_n body_n be_v his_o body_n modum_fw-la secundùm_fw-la quendam_fw-la modum_fw-la and_o the_o sacrament_n of_o the_o blood_n of_o christ_n his_o blood_n which_o therefore_o according_a to_o saint_n austin_n be_v such_o only_a by_o way_n of_o similitude_n or_o by_o a_o metonymy_n of_o the_o sign_n for_o the_o thing_n signify_v and_o according_o the_o sacrifice_n must_v be_v so_o style_v on_o the_o same_o account_n and_o hence_o it_o be_v that_o elsewhere_o he_o say_v christi_fw-la l._n 10._o cont._n faust_n c._n 2._o l._n 20._o c._n 21._o and_o c._n 28._o christiani_n peracti_fw-la ejuedem_fw-la sacrificii_fw-la memoriam_fw-la celebrant_a sacrosancta_fw-la oblatione_fw-la &_o perticipatione_fw-la corporis_fw-la &_o sanguit_fw-la be_v christi_fw-la that_o which_o by_o all_o be_v call_v a_o true_a sacrifice_n be_v the_o sign_n of_o a_o true_a sacrifice_n and_o then_o present_o after_o will_v have_v it_o to_o be_v a_o sacrifice_n of_o remembrance_n or_o the_o remembrance_n of_o a_o sacrifice_n §_o 3._o second_o alm_n and_o offering_n make_v for_o the_o poor_a be_v call_v sacrifice_n s._n paul_n style_v they_o offering_n well_o please_v and_o acceptable_a to_o god_n philip._n 4.14_o and_o victim_n heb._n 13.16_o 1._o 13.16_o l._n
they_o with_o the_o veneration_n of_o thy_o body_n ut_fw-la inclinando_fw-la eye_n vel_fw-la genus_fw-la flectendo_fw-la nor_o shall_v thou_o worship_v they_o with_o the_o affection_n of_o thy_o mind_n second_o imag._n cap._n de_fw-fr imag._n the_o divine_n of_o saumur_n have_v already_o tell_v you_o this_o be_v a_o wide_a sequel_n from_o the_o honour_n do_v to_o the_o live_v image_n of_o god_n to_o infer_v we_o may_v bow_v and_o kneel_v to_o image_n whereas_o the_o one_o life_n the_o other_o want_v all_o sense_n and_o motion_n the_o one_o be_v civil_a worship_n and_o such_o as_o have_v the_o precept_n and_o example_n of_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n the_o other_o neither_o three_o what_o do_v job_n mean_v by_o tell_v we_o 27._o c._n 13._o v._n 26_o 27._o that_o have_v he_o kiss_v his_o hand_n upon_o the_o behold_n of_o the_o gun_n that_o glorious_a pourtraicture_n of_o god_n power_n wisdom_n and_o goodness_n he_o have_v be_v guilty_a of_o idolatry_n our_o author_n can_v have_v inform_v he_o better_o by_o tell_v he_o that_o child_n kiss_v their_o hand_n when_o they_o do_v homage_n to_o their_o superior_n yea_o he_o have_v less_o reason_n to_o suspect_v himself_o then_o papist_n have_v for_o god_n have_v set_v the_o sun_n in_o the_o firmament_n to_o give_v light_n unto_o this_o truth_n that_o there_o be_v a_o wise_a disposer_n and_o orderer_n of_o all_o thing_n but_o never_o appoint_v any_o image_n to_o be_v a_o medium_n to_o bring_v we_o to_o the_o knowledge_n or_o service_n of_o he_o second_o 157._o p._n 157._o you_o argue_v that_o image_n be_v capable_a of_o a_o sinful_a disrespect_n and_o consequent_o a_o due_a respect_n may_v be_v pay_v unto_o they_o answer_n we_o may_v grant_v all_o this_o and_o yet_o not_o bow_v unto_o they_o as_o question_v whether_o that_o respect_n be_v due_a unto_o they_o i_o suppose_v you_o do_v not_o bow_v to_o the_o picture_n of_o his_o majesty_n and_o yet_o you_o will_v not_o deny_v that_o due_a respect_n may_v be_v pay_v unto_o it_o second_o a_o surplice_n or_o cope_n etc._n etc._n yea_o a_o good_a advice_n be_v capable_a of_o disrespect_n and_o yet_o will_v you_o infer_v that_o this_o be_v motive_n sufficient_a for_o we_o to_o come_v down_o upon_o our_o knee_n before_o they_o three_o a_o image_n be_v not_o capable_a of_o any_o disrespect_n by_o the_o neglect_n of_o religious_a action_n or_o veneration_n and_o consequent_o be_v not_o capable_a of_o any_o such_o respect_n by_o their_o performance_n three_o ibid._n ibid._n you_o tell_v we_o that_o by_o honour_v with_o outward_a regard_n a_o picture_n you_o intend_v only_o to_o give_v a_o testimony_n what_o respect_v you_o bear_v to_o the_o person_n or_o holy_a thing_n represent_v by_o it_o so_o the_o reverence_n that_o we_o show_v to_o saint_n peter_n picture_n signify_v only_a we_o venerate_a saint_n peter_n answer_n first_o this_o be_v a_o contradiction_n to_o what_o immediate_o precede_v viz._n that_o we_o give_v a_o respect_n unto_o they_o because_o such_o sacred_a thing_n as_o fix_v our_o thought_n upon_o object_n good_a for_o our_o soul_n second_o we_o say_v it_o be_v evident_o absurd_a and_o that_o upon_o the_o same_o score_n you_o may_v bow_v and_o kneel_v to_o go_v bare_a before_o and_o kiss_v a_o lion_n eagle_n or_o a_o ox_n as_o represent_v st._n mark_n saint_n john_n saint_n luke_n etc._n etc._n three_o this_o pretence_n may_v have_v be_v make_v by_o the_o jew_n in_o venerate_v the_o calf_n yea_o the_o very_a heathen_n have_v instruct_v you_o in_o this_o lesson_n as_o i_o have_v show_v before_o now_o to_o requite_v your_o story_n i_o shall_v return_v you_o one_o argument_n among_o many_o lie_n by_o i_o sect._n 14_o which_o haply_o ere_o long_o may_v beg_v your_o answer_n and_o it_o be_v this_o to_o offer_v incense_n to_o a_o image_n be_v to_o commit_v idolatry_n the_o papist_n use_v to_o offer_v incense_n to_o their_o image_n ergo_fw-la they_o be_v wont_v to_o commit_v idolatry_n 15._o l._n 10._o de_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la c._n 13._o in_o tertiam_fw-la partem_fw-la th._n p._n 25._o be_v 3._o do_v 2_o num_fw-la 15._o the_o minor_a be_v evident_a from_o their_o own_o author_n who_o tell_v we_o suaves_fw-fr odores_fw-la etiam_fw-la offerimus_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la not_o only_a coram_fw-la imagine_v but_o imaginibus_fw-la &_o reliquiis_fw-la thus_o bellarmive_v and_o petrus_n de_fw-fr cubrera_n among_o the_o thing_n to_o be_v perform_v to_o image_n reckon_v oblationes_fw-la suffituum_fw-la yea_o the_o roman_a pontifical_a set_v forth_o by_o pius_n the_o five_o inform_v we_o in_o the_o chapter_n of_o the_o benediction_n of_o the_o cross_n adoleri_fw-la mox_fw-la cam_fw-la incensari_fw-la i._n e._n ei_fw-la incensum_fw-la adoleri_fw-la that_o the_o pope_n put_v incense_v into_o the_o censer_n then_o sprinkle_v it_o with_o holy-water_n and_o present_o offer_v incense_n to_o it_o the_o major_a i_o evince_n from_o the_o idolatry_n of_o the_o israelite_n in_o offer_v incense_n to_o the_o brazen_a serpent_n the_o reason_n be_v evident_o the_o same_o for_o whereas_o bellarmine_n tell_v we_o that_o the_o israelite_n do_v offer_v incense_n to_o it_o tanquam_fw-la deo_fw-la if_o he_o mean_v they_o give_v it_o that_o worship_n which_o be_v due_a to_o god_n it_o be_v very_o true_a but_o a_o confirmation_n of_o what_o we_o say_v that_o to_o offer_v incense_n to_o a_o creature_n be_v to_o give_v it_o the_o honour_n due_a to_o god_n if_o he_o mean_v that_o the_o israelite_n esteem_v it_o as_o god_n it_o be_v shameful_o ridiculous_a to_o imagine_v that_o what_o have_v be_v so_o long_o keep_v without_o any_o sign_n of_o the_o least_o virtue_n proceed_v from_o it_o shall_v present_o be_v thought_n by_o they_o to_o be_v the_o maker_n of_o heaven_n and_o earth_n that_o which_o they_o know_v to_o have_v be_v make_v by_o moses_n yet_o to_o have_v be_v before_o all_o time_n second_o he_o tell_v we_o that_o incense_n be_v a_o sacrifice_n under_o the_o old_a testament_n because_o none_o but_o priest_n may_v offer_v it_o not_o so_o now_o because_o in_o their_o church_n it_o be_v offer_v by_o they_o that_o be_v not_o so_o ans_fw-fr so_o then_o it_o seem_v if_o a_o whole_a hecatomb_n shall_v be_v offer_v not_o only_o to_o god_n but_o to_o the_o people_n as_o he_o tell_v we_o their_o incense_n be_v it_o will_v not_o be_v a_o sacrifice_n if_o not_o offer_v by_o a_o priest_n and_o consequent_o not_o idolatry_n nor_o can_v any_o of_o the_o christian_n that_o be_v not_o priest_n by_o offer_v to_o idol_n commit_v idolatry_n second_o how_o ridiculous_a be_v it_o from_o a_o instance_n in_o his_o own_o church_n behaviour_n which_o we_o accuse_v of_o manifest_a idolatry_n to_o prove_v that_o they_o be_v not_o idolater_n well_o then_o see_v there_o can_v be_v no_o sufficient_a disparity_n 3_o john_n 3_o this_o be_v a_o representation_n of_o christ_n as_o well_o as_o their_o image_n and_o worship_v not_o because_o a_o god_n but_o as_o a_o instrument_n which_o god_n have_v use_v to_o work_v miracle_n by_o or_o the_o like_a if_o we_o can_v evince_v that_o this_o be_v idolatry_n we_o show_v also_o that_o the_o papist_n be_v idolater_n now_o that_o this_o be_v so_o may_v be_v gather_v first_o from_o the_o context_n which_o reekon_v it_o with_o the_o confess_a instrument_n of_o idolatry_n 18.4_o 2_o king_n 18.4_o he_o remove_v the_o high_a place_n and_o break_v the_o image_n and_o cut_v down_o the_o grove_n and_o break_v in_o piece_n the_o brazen_a serpent_n yea_o second_o he_o call_v it_o nehustan_n a_o piece_n of_o brass_n of_o which_o appellation_n no_o other_o reason_n can_v be_v easy_o assign_v but_o that_o this_o be_v do_v in_o opposition_n to_o their_o idolatry_n in_o give_v it_o that_o worship_n which_o can_v by_o no_o mean_n agree_v to_o a_o piece_n of_o brass_n three_o the_o sin_n that_o occasion_v the_o break_n of_o this_o serpent_n be_v the_o child_n of_o israel_n offer_v incense_n to_o it_o now_o it_o be_v evident_a this_o be_v no_o sin_n against_o the_o second_o table_n no_o breach_n of_o the_o sabbath_n no_o take_n of_o god_n name_n in_o vain_a for_o if_o it_o be_v a_o acknowledgement_n of_o it_o for_o a_o deity_n it_o be_v the_o most_o gross_a idolatry_n and_o therefore_o the_o romanist_n will_v not_o yield_v to_o that_o well_o then_o it_o must_v be_v a_o sin_n against_o the_o second_o commandment_n it_o can_v be_v a_o sin_n against_o any_o other_o clause_n of_o it_o then_o this_o thou_o shall_v not_o worship_v image_n or_o as_o the_o papist_n will_v needs_o have_v it_o idol_n and_o if_o so_o it_o must_v consequent_o be_v idolatry_n again_o do_v they_o give_v dulia_n only_o to_o it_o or_o latria_fw-la if_o the_o first_o then_o can_v you_o not_o say_v they_o sin_v or_o do_v any_o thing_n which_o shall_v just_o cause_v it_o to_o be_v break_v see_v you_o acknowledge_v
to_o your_o precept_n and_o in_o the_o feast_n of_o saint_n peter_n and_o paul_n to_o saint_n peter_n they_o pray_v much_o after_o the_o same_o manner_n and_o yet_o the_o scripture_n put_v the_o question_n who_o can_v forgive_v sin_n but_o god_n mar._n 2.7_o second_o they_o pray_v to_o they_o for_o grace_n and_o glory_n 56._o glory_n ps_n 56._o lady_n in_o thy_o name_n let_v i_o be_v safe_a and_o free_v i_o from_o my_o unrighteousness_n have_v mercy_n upon_o i_o and_o cleanse_v i_o from_o all_o my_o iniquity_n and_o again_o 50._o again_o ps_n 27._o &_o 50._o dissolve_v the_o bond_n of_o my_o iniquity_n take_v away_o the_o bundle_n of_o our_o sin_n purge_v my_o soul_n from_o its_o filth_n 87._o filth_n ps_n 3._o &_o 87._o by_o thy_o holiness_n be_v my_o sin_n purge_v 44._o purge_v ps_n 44._o thou_o be_v the_o beginning_n and_o end_n of_o my_o whole_a salvation_n totius_fw-la salutis_fw-la meae_fw-la etc._n etc._n 41._o etc._n ps_n 41._o 136._o 41._o ps_n 136._o by_o she_o be_v sin_n purge_v by_o she_o be_v make_v true_a satisfaction_n for_o sin_n etc._n etc._n whereas_o it_o be_v god_n propriety_n to_o be_v the_o god_n of_o all_o grace_n three_o they_o pray_v for_o these_o thing_n upon_o the_o account_n of_o the_o merit_n of_o the_o saint_n thus_o the_o roman_a breviary_n by_o the_o merit_n of_o saint_n franciscus_n 2._o april_n 2._o let_v we_o enjoy_v our_o promise_a reward_n and_o grant_v that_o by_o the_o merit_n of_o saint_n peter_n and_o saint_n paul_n we_o may_v attain_v to_o eternal_a glory_n 6._o july_n 6._o that_o by_o the_o merit_n of_o saint_n nicholaus_fw-la the_o church_n may_v enjoy_v perpetual_a peace_n by_o the_o intercession_n of_o the_o merit_n of_o saint_n basil_n 10._o sept._n 10._o let_v we_o be_v absolve_v from_o allour_n sin_n and_o to_o the_o bless_a virgin_n mary_n 14._o jan._n 14._o by_o thou_o let_v the_o wrath_n of_o god_n be_v avert_v from_o i_o appease_v he_o by_o thy_o merit_n and_o again_o by_o the_o blood_n which_o saint_n thomas_n 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