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Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
saint_n	day_n	lord_n	week_n	2,733	5	10.2407	5	true

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A79520	An answer to a book which Samuel Eaton put up to the Parliament: which he saith he is a teacher of the Church of Christ, heretofore meeting at Ducken-field, now at Stockport in Cheshire; and he cals the title of his book Quakers confuted. Moses who was a judg quaked and trembled, David a king in Israel quaked and trembled, and Solomon who was a king trembled, and Daniel a servant of the most high God trembled, ... And these heard the voice of God, and thou that writest, thou mayest say thou hast confuted all them; for he that is against them, is against us, and he that is against us, is against them, for the same power is witnessed; but thou Eaton, who saith thou art a teacher of the church at Duckenfield, who saith thou hast heard the voice of the living God, and that such a voice as this, as comes immediately from God, you have not heard, ... And Isaiah saith, hear the word of the Lord all ye that tremble at his word; and this is the man that I do regard, saith the Lord, that is of a contrite heart, and trembleth at my word; but such Eaton and his church doth not regard, but custs out friends of the Lord from them, whom the world calls Quakers.	Camm, John, 1604?-1656.	1654 (1654)	Wing C389; Thomason E735_9; ESTC R206969	38,921	53

Object And whereas thou sayest we are against that which the Saints used Rep. Here I charge thee to be a lyar for the Saints practises we own but thy performances we deny Object And thou sayest we might be convinced that you are not in the condition of the Jews hours and prayers Rep. We find you in the same nature though under another colour and enemies to Christ Object And thou brings Acts 3. Rep. That will fit and maintain thee in the Jews estate all people take notice the Apostles did not go up to uphold the Jews hours and prayers but to bring them off those things and here thou hast uttered forth thy folly Object And thou sayest They strike at godliness Rep. Here I charge thee in the presence of God to be a lyar Object And whereas thou sayest If they can but destroy all forms the power will fall with it Rep. And here thou hast uttered forth thy folly indeed and blasphemy as though the form was before the power and here thou hast shewed thou hast no power but the form as the Apostles speaks of so thou plead'st for daies and hours and moneths which the Apostles speaks against And here thou hast cleared thy self from the Doctrine of the Apostles and the Lords day we own f●r all is the Lords and the Saints meeting we own but thine we do deny who denies immediate inspiration And what hast thou to do to talk of the Apostles meeting the first day of the week and worship of God who denies immediate inspiration and hearing Gods voice and denies immediate teaching for God is a Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and truth and that thou canst not who denies immediate teaching thou hast got a likeness of a Church and so imitates the Apostles meetings the first day of the week and so hast got the form and not the power and because the Saints meet on the first day from their words thou gathers likeness which is forbidden and what Scriptures hast thou that it is named the Lords day when the Supper is nominated the Supper of the Lord we own and the day of the Lord but thou knowest nothing of the Supper of the Lord nor the day Obj. And in thy answer thou would'st make people believe we deny prayer Rep. And in that thou art a lyar and what hast thou to do to talk of Abraham and holy men of God who denies hearing the Voice of God and denies immediate Inspiration which the holy men of God witnessed Object And thou talk'st of Jacob purging away the Idols and reforming his family Rep. O man look at home and pu●ge away the Idols from thy self for David and Jacob we own and do witness and the Saints will not deny prayers but such as thine who prayest and never heard the Voice of God nor immediate inspiration as thou hast confest it and dost not look for it and what good will all thy prayers do thee evening and morning we witness the Apostles words pray alwayes and praise with the spirit and understanding Here thou hast shewed thy self as the Priests of Baal who cut themselves who fasts and yet thou sayest let us seek Gods face in prayer and denies hearing Gods Voice Query 17. Whether do you not seduce the people to draw them from the anoynting within them when John saith They need no man to teach them but as the anoynting and the promise was eternal life to him that did abide in the anoynting Ans In thy answer to this Query thou sayest the word that Christ preached was outward Rep. And here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a lyar for he said the word which he spoke was spirit and life and here thou draws people from the anointing to the Satanical delusion as thou calls it and publishes lies Obj. And thou sayest John's Ministry was outward and yet he came in the spirit and power Reply What confused stuff is this Here I charge thee again to be a lyar John's teaching we witness and Christs teaching we witness and deny thine which is outward and thou must needs be there for thou denyes immediate inspiration who draws people from the inward to the outward Here thou shews what thou art if there had been no reply and who puts no difference betwixt ears for there are ears and hears not and there are ears which hear and here thou shews thy self to be a false prophet who saith they are seduced which are drawn from the external means which is earthly let all people see if you be not that wi●ch that the Scripture speaks of that bewithed the Galatians in drawing them from the spirit within to observe circumcision without them who draws to the external who saith to wait for the receiving of the Spirit without any word is delusion Here thou goes about to make the Word and the Spirit two Obj. And thou sayest One was newly redeemed out of the hellish captivity Reply He is fit to be Ambassador of thy Church a drunkard one of thy redeemed ones There was a Warrant granted out against him for drunkenness fence he was redeemed as thou calls it Obj. And thou pleads much for mans teaching Reply Here thou shews plainly that thou art a Minister made by the will of man when Paul declares that he was not made a Minister by the will of man but by the will of God and here thou hast cleared thy self plainly from being a Minister made by the Will of God or taught of him Obj. And thirdly thou sayest The words You need not any man teach you but as the anointing teacheth you is an byperbolycal expression Reply Here I charge thee again to pervert the Apostles words Obj. And thou sayest the Apostle tells them they knew all things and thou sayest is is an excessive speech Reply And so thou goes about to make the Apostle a lyar and are giving a meaning to his words and wouldest give a comparative senc● as thou callest it to it and here thou shewest openly that thou dost both add wrest and pervert the Apostles words who shews thy self openly to be deceived who art giving private interpretations to the Scripture when the Scripture saith there is none and thou art perverting the Lords words who saith they shall all know him from the greatest to the least they shall not need to teach every man his neighbour and every man his brother for they shall all know me from the greatest to the least of them saith the Lord. Obj. And thou sayest there is no such measure of the spirit that can thrust out outward teaching while we are here Reply Here thou high blasphemer hast denyed the everlasting Covenant of God and while thou art there thou shalt never know it Obj. And thou sayest there is no such Scripture as to abide in the anointing that the Promise was Eternal life to him that did Reply And here thou dost neither understand the anointing nor the

your preaching tend thither and you say you do not preac● that Christ which you have seen with your bodily eyes for Christ is in heaven and not in earth not any other that lives upon earth hath heard of him and seen him Rep. O thou dark Sot Does any see Christ with their carnal eyes and know him Was it not said to the Apostle that flesh and bloud had not revealed it unto him w●en he said Thou art the Christ the Son of the living God and from this Revelation thou hast cleared thy self Ob. And thou sayest That Christ is in heaven and not in earth Rep. And here thou hast cleared thy self to be a Reprobate Ob. And thou sayest How shall they preach except they be sent Rep. And before thou denied'st as hearing any voice from heaven and denied immediate inspiration and how dost thou exalt Christ and knows him not and the framing of a Christ shall stand for thy own condition who art without and Saul seeing Samuel indeed saw the Devil and talked with him and had fellowship with him but saw not Samuel Ob. And thou sayest You do not give your assurance but you conceive Rep. Let all people see if thy preaching be not phancy and no assurance and to be scattered among the proud who live in their imaginations and conceivings and hast cleared thy self from the eternal Spirit and canst give no testimony of that which was from the beginning Ob. And thou sayest Thou givest not thine own assurance but you conceive and speak of the Apostles assurance Rep. Let the Apostles assurance alone for that we own who wi●ness assurance but deny thy conceivings Query 10. Whether you have this word which was from the beginning and this Life manifest unto you which was to the Apostl●s and if it be why do you take a text from the Letter and preach from it and shew the people that letter Ans And thy answer is Th●s Word and this Life which is Christ made manifest in the flesh and thou sayest The design in this question is to draw all persons from all that is written to depend upon an unwritten word something within them the word from the beginning and is the Life and is manifest as they gave it out Rep. This word is owned among them you call Quakers which was from the beginning which all the Apostles spoke from which is immediate which thou hast cleared thy self from and shews that thou hast nothing but the letter which is death and feeds people with that Object And thou sayest this sort of men which hath the immediate word doth the divel shew his spite spleen and malice against the holy Scriptures Rep. Here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a lyar and in that state thy self for where the immediate word is which was in the beginning which gave forth the Scriptures it owns every tittle of it again and many Scriptures hast thou wrested for the taking of a Text which Christ and the Apostles spoke of the fulfilling of the Scriptures and shewed the fulfilling of the Scriptures and to bring men to Christ out of the letter into that thing the letter speaks of that they might not live in the oldness of the letter but in the newness of the spirit Ob. And thou sayest you take a text because the whole w●ll of God and mind of Christ is left you in letters which is now left us in words and letters in the Evangelists and Apostles writings and so you take a text from the letter and if the Gospel be hid it is hid from you that are lost whom the God of the world hath blind●d the mind of them that believe not Rep. Here thou speak'st thou know'st not what for if all should have been written which Christ spoke forth the world could not contain the books that might have been written of him and many could speak of his word but had not his mind therefore they persecuted him as thou dost and there thou shewest thy self to be him whom the God of the world hath blinded the mind who hath the letter of the Gospel but not that which it speaks of the Gospel the glad tydings the Son that was given but that is without thee and the letters of it thou hast but not the Gospel Object And thou sayest Saints do not as yet see Christ and yet Abraham saw his daies Rep. What confused stuff is this that comes out of thy bo●tle these are thy Saints which do not see Christ and how dost thou exalt him The Saints witness Christ in them the mystery the hope of glory but thou hast cleared thy self from this Christ from this mystery from this hope of glory to be a Reprobate and an Anti-christ and from the faith of Abraham Query 11. And shew me where the Prophets did take a text and preach from it but only Christ read a place and said it was fulfilled who said he was anoynted to preach and which of you can witness you are anoynted to preach by the living God yea or no Ans And in thy answer to this Query thou speak'st whom God calls out to be to the body in place of eyes to guide and direct them and before you denyed as hearing any such voyce as from God Reply Here all people may see thy folly and thou dost not say that you are anointed to preach by the living God or how canst thou who hast denyed his voyce or immediate inspiration Obj. And thou sayest the Prophets did take no text but laid the foundation Reply And here thou hast cleared thy self from the Prophets Christ the Foundation and though Christ did read who fulfilled the Prophets who prophesied of him and Moses who wrote of him for he was the substance and the end and though they had Synagogues and Temple and Sabbath Day to read Moses the Law and the Prophets When Christ was come and sacrificed up and who believed and received him had received the end of the Law the end of the Prophets and the end of the Sabbath and they went into the Synagogues shewing the people the substance of what they had read and to bring them of the Temple the Sabbath days and observing of times which in all thy words thou clearest thy self from that life and doctrine but would keep people in observing of days and times and places and so shews thy self in the dark generation living long in a text and not witnessing it fulfilled as Christ did Obj. And thou sayest Christ might have discoursed of a subject many months who came to fulfil what was written of him Reply Here you would make Christ like thy self who art unlearned discoursing with thy carnal mind upon that which was given forth by an Eternal Spirit who art for death and destruction Quer. 12. Tell me why you sing Davids Conditions and Experiences in Moeter and when you read them hats you put on and when you sing them hats you put off Ans And thy