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A18004 A discourse Wherein is plainly proued by the order of time and place, that Peter was neuer at Rome. Furthermore, that neither Peter nor the Pope is the head of Christes Church. Also an interpretation vpon the second Epistle of S. Paul to the Thessalonians, the second chapter. Seene and alowed according to the order appointed.; Discourse. Wherein is plainly proved by the order of time and place, that Peter was never at Rome. Carlile, Christopher, d. 1588? 1572 (1572) STC 4655; ESTC S107558 88,721 116

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probable but at the first there was no supremacie Ergo there should bée none The 24. Obiection Hée is the head of the church that giueth authoritie and licence to all the other Apostles to preache to bée priestes and to minister the seuen Sacramentes But Peter gyueth all these Ergo Peter is the head of the church Peter Palude is the authour of this argument a man of great woorship The 25. Obiection Hée is the head of the church whom the Chayre doothe blesse although hée were Iudas or a murtherer But the chayre blesseth the Pope ergo the Pope if hée were Iudas or a murtherer is the head of the church The 26. Obiection Hée that is God is the head of the church But the Pope is God ergo the pope is the head of the church The second proposition is proued by the authoritie in the margine The 27. Obiection Hée that is head of Angelles and Archaungelles is the head of the church But the Pope is the head of Aungelles and Archaungelles Ergo the Pope is the head of the church The Minor is proued in the margine The 28. Obiection Hée that is aboue the scripture is the head of the church But the Pope is aboue the scriptures ergo the Pope is the head of the church The assumption is proued by Siluester Prierias The 29. Obiection Hée is the head of the church that is the light of the world which illuminateth euery man that commeth into the world But the Pope is that light which illuminateth euery man that commeth into the world Ergo the Pope is the head of the Church The xxx Obiection He that hath aucthoritie to breake lawes is of more force then he that came not to breake lawes but the Pope came to breake the lawes and Christ came to fulfyll the lawes and not to breake them Ergo the Pope is the head of the Church The xxxi Obiection If there were nothing to proue the Pope to be head of the churche sauing his apparell and ornamentes yet surely they might perswade any man too beleue to maintaine and to glorifie our holie father the Pope dothe not Buechingerus and Inocentius Libro 3 de Altaris mysterio ca. 1. et 10. affirme that there are .9 special ornamentes his hose his shoes or sandalles his succynctory or girdell his Tunicle his Dalmatica or longe sleued Gowne his Metre his Gloues his Ring and Staffe In these consisteth the speciall power of the Pope euen to geue orders to blesse Maides to consecrate Bishopes to laye on handes to make grese or Chrisma to consecrate clothes and vessales to call Sinodes to dedicate Temples and to depose them that are disgraded and do many other merytorious workes What shall I speake of his two horned mitre of the hemmes of his garment of his crosse and staffe of his chimer and other vestements His shoes pardoned venyall sinnes his staffe hathe many vertues the crooked horne fetcheth in them that go astray the ende knocketh the obstinate refourmeth the disobedient What shall I speak of his breches and handkirchef Of his kniues and twoedged Swerds of his goulden hamer I haue spoken before I answer that theise more comend the Pope and set forth his prayse then his vertues do He glorieth in his apparell Paule in Christ his crosse he in outward things Paule in inward he in pompe Paule in pouertie he in vayne glory of the world Paule in the ioyes of Heauen Is not all this apparell corruptible will it not consume will not his crowne in tyme weare away and decay But the immortall crowne which Peter speaketh of will neuer You are not ashamed to put your trust in worldly things but in scriptures you put no trust them you cannot abyde Dooth not Iames Hocstrate in his booke intytuled Of praying to saints pronounce him to bée an heretique that flieth to the scriptures and that custome ought to bée followed before the scriptures bycause a common errour maketh a lawe We haue hitherto proued our holy father to be the head of the Militant Church here in earth though the Lutherians say that hée is head of the Malignant Church Now will wée proue that hée is the head of the Triumphant Church which is in Heauen The first Obiection HE is the head of the Triumphant Church that Canonizeth Sainctes and hath authoritie ouer Aungels that maketh of the triumphant church whom he listeth But the Pope dothe this Ergo he is the head I denie the Minor wée proue it Let vs sée if you find any day in the yeare dedicated to any Saincte which the Pope did not dedicate and consecrate Hée made the Apostles dayes the foure Ladye dayes made Corpus Christi a Sainct S. Peters cheynes S. Graue or S. Sepulchre S. seuen Sléepers s. Sonday s. Grimbold S. Chrisogon s. Gorgon s. Rooke s. Dunstone s. Thomas Becket whom King Henry dyd vnsainte and disgrade holy Iohn Shorne holy King Henry many a Prelate Bishop and Pope and in fine al his benefactours for whom he commaundeth euery Priest to pray for in his Canon of the blessed masse which we trust he will make a Sainct one day for surely she is our good Mistres she prospereth Prelats exalteth Hermits aydeth Hunters purgeth Pigs helpeth Hogs causeth raine and faire weather deliuereth out of Purgatorie and directeth generall councelles Finally she were as worthy to be a Sainct as any of them all I aunswere that the Pope taketh vpon him to doo and saye so But thinke you that hée can doo so Surely hée hath made some saincts that are deuilles and some that there were neuer none such What manner of Sainct is sainct Sondaye or Rymon or s. Gyners or s. Redygons or s. Apellinare for tootheache Ualentine for Louers Loe for Smithes Crispine Martine and Chrispinian for Shoemakers Nicolas and Cletus for Clarkes and yit many write ther was neuer none such as Cletus George for warriers Andrew for Scotlande Denis for Fraunce Iames or Iaques for Spayn about Louane Urbane whom they Crowne and cary about with great pompe to Tauernes if thei haue plentie of frutes if no they spitte vpon him they reuyle him throw him into the kennelles They painte with Iohn and Bernard the deuill with George like to the Egyptians a Crocodile with Rooke a dogge with Antony a sowe The Hollanders vse Paulyne as Louanians Urbane although that there bée no parte in mannes body so honest vnto the which the Pope hath not appointed a sainct and none so vncomely which hath not his saincte Neyther any absurditie that you can name but they haue a sainct for it yet say they the Pope cannot erre although it is euident that he Canonizeth as they saye these Sainctes booth contrarie to Scriptures Councelles and Doctoures It is in sainct Paule that if God onely iustifyeth who can condempne can the Pope Thus I reason Hée that cannot iustifye a man hée cannot Canonize But the Pope cannot iustifye Ergo hée
cannot Canonize That the Pope dooth not iustifye all those places proue which proue Christ too bée our onely Heade Redéemer Iustifyer and Glorifyer To Canonize is to glorifie to giue felicitie to make a Sainct of a man and to introduce him into eternall ioye and this dooth only christ Ergo not the Pope which Paule proueth by this climax this gradation this induction and sorites Whom God hath predestinate them hée hath called whom hée hathe called them hée hath iustified and whom he hath iustified them hée hath glorified But the Pope can predestinate no man Ergo neyther iustifye them then neyther Glorifie them and per consequens not Canonize them Wée maye woorshippe neyther the Uirgine Marie neyther the Apostles neyther any Saincte neyther make holy dayes or Temples for them muche lesse Canonize them which comprehendeth all these This dooth Epiphanius proue at large Tom. 2. in 27. Haeresie and Theodorete vpon the second Chapter too the Collossians August contra Faustum lib. 2. cap. 21. de Ciuit. lib. 10. cap. 1. lib. 21. cap. 26. lib. 22. cap. 10. vppon the Psalme 113. Ambros. vppon Rom. 1. and the Councell of Laodicia The second Obiection Hée that cannot erre can Canonize Sainctes But the Pope cannot erre Ergo the Pope can canonize sainctes I denie the Minor. For I will alleadge out of their● owne Authoures suche Testimonies as they write by the which ye shal perceyue that the Popes dyd aswell erre in doctrine as in maners The first Màrcellinus in the yeare of Christ 295 denyed Christ offered to Images and Idolles Notwithstanding hée repented him and suffered death after that for Christ. 2 Liberius in the yéere of Christ 354. through ambition became an Arian 3 Damasus in the yeare of Christe 368. after muche slaughter done in a church at Rome was made Pope 4 Sericius in the yeare of Christ. 382. prohibited the Priestes of the West churches to bée maried and deuorced them that had maried wydowes and excluded second mariage 5 Anastasius the first in the yeare of Christ 392. reiected them from the ministerie that had any mayme 6 Innocentius the first in the yeare of Christ 406. decréed that the Séea of Rome should bée preferred before all others and too bée iudged of none Hée caused too annoyle the sick persons he compelled them which he called Heritiques to come to the Catholique fayth of Rome by violence Romana fides inquit Mantuanus id est falsa He graunted to such as had bin all the daies of their lyfe cursed and wicked pardon and repentance of their sinnes in the panges of death He excluded from the clergie seculer Soldiars and such as had bin twyse maried 7 Sozimus decréed that the Sea of Rome could decrée nothing against the woord of God and he was in the yeare of CHRIST ▪ 420. 8 Bonifacius in the yeare of Christe 423. turned Vigiles intoo fastes 9 Xistus or Sixtus in the yeare of Christe 440. made Peters chaynes a Saint 10 Celestinus the first in the yeare of Christ 430. made Introitum of the masse with the Graduall with the Responsories 11 Leo in the yeare of Christ 445. made the holy sacrifise the immaculate Hoste more He commaunded Sonday to be kept holy day he instituted procession he was cursed and excomunicated by the Bishop of Alexandria 12 Hilarius in the yeare of Christe 463. confirmed the generall councelles published the common Law remoued from the degrées of the Church them that had bin twise maryed and them that had maryed Wydowes and them that were lame and firste forbad priestes to weare lay mens apparell 13 Simplicius in the yeare of Christ 475. did much contend with the Bishoppe of Rauenna to encrease his authoritie 14 Foelix the third of that name in the yeare of Christe 481. excluded them that were Baptised or rebaptised of heretiques from the ecclesiastical Chiualrie He made Michelmas daye against the councell of Laodicia 15. Gelacius the second in the yeare of Christe 489. decréed that neyther he nor his successours should be iudged of any man in the earth 16 Anastatius in the yeare of Christ 496. fauored the Euthichians and Nestorians 17. Simachus in the yeare of Christ .498 after longe strife with Laurence and Peter was Pope He patched and framed the masse in order he decréed that no Councell should bée of force any where without the Popes presence 18. Hormisda in the yeare of Christ .513 ordeined after he was at quietnes with the East Churches that the decrées of the fathers and Councelles shoulde binde all Nations wheras at the first● they were ordeyned for certaine Persones and Countries 19. Iohn the first in the yeare of Christe .525 ordeyned that y Emperour shoulde bée vnder the Subiection of the Pope 20. Foelix the fourth in the yeare of Christe .526 commaunded masses to be had only in a halowed place and y the Clergie should bée deuided from the people The Clergie in the quire and the people benethe in the bodie of the Churche and that men lying at the pointe of deathe shoulde bée a●oyled ▪ 21. Vigilius in the yeare of Christ .537 decréed that Rome should bée the mistres and mother of all other Churches 22. Pelagius the first in the yeare of Christ .556 put in too the masse to pray for the dead and committed an Heretique to the seculer Magistrate to bée punished ▪ This Pope did affirme first of all other that the Supremacie of the Bishope of Rome was geuen of Christ and not of any Sinode or of men 23. Iohn the thirde in the yeare of Christ .563 decréed agaynste his predecessour that none ought to bée called an highe Prieste or an vniuersall Bishope 24. Pelagius the second in the yeare of Christe .577 added many thinges to the masse he put Subdeacons from theire wiues and from other Ecclesiasticall of●●ces and made seauen fourmed Letanies to appease the wrathe of God for the great Pestilence y was at Rome 25. Gregory the first in the yeare of Christ .590 did many thinges well and many thinges euill hée called himselfe seruaunt of seruaunts and forbad that any shoulde be called a generall Bishop He put many things to the masse Letanies Processions Antiphonas Psalmodies Alleluya Nine Kirieleysons Offertorie thrée peticions in the Canon He forbad them that fasted to eate flesh milke chéese or egges and graunted at certain tymes of the yeare forgiuenes of their sinnes hée forbad monkes to Baptise or Images to bée broken 26. Sabinianus in the yeare of Christe .607 Appointed the day houres to bée deuided and knowne by Ringing of Belles and Lampes to burne in the Temples and caused Gregorius his Predecessoures bookes to bée burned 27. Bonifacius the thirde in the yeere of Christ .610 obteyned of Phocas the Emperour that he might be called Pope and Supreme heade and cheife Prince of all Bishops
hys footemen As Hadrian the fourth Pope before him vsed the Emperoure Frederike who came too the Pope and helde hys lefte stirroppe as hée should lighte of his Horse You should sayde the Pope haue holden my right stirroppe The Emperoure smiled being not a littell offended and said that he was not wont to hold stirroppes for you are the firste that euer wée did any suche duetie vnto And I woold know of you whither it is of duetie or of good will if of good will why do you accuse my negligence if of duetie I owe you no such seruice thē what matter maketh it to what side he commeth that commeth to do reuerence The next day thus being admonished of the Pope came to his right stirroppe and brought him into his Tentes This Alexander the thyrd decréed that none should be King of England but whome the Pope shuld assigne and create and compelled Henry the second king of England to go barefoote to Thomas Becketts Tombe at Canterburie with bléeding féete 72 Innocent the thyrd in the yeare of Christ. 1195. made Emperours cursed them and excommunicated them He inuented and commaunded Auriculer confession and commaunded the Hoste to be reserued Thou hast O Rome saieth the Abbotte of Ursprage that thou diddest desire Sing this song that thou hast ouercome the world by symony ambition malyce crueltie presumption deceyt arrogancie and violence but neither by vertue nor Religion 73 Gregorye the ninth in the yeare of Christe .1221 promised eternall lyfe to all them that would sight against the Emperour He forbad lay men to preach 74. Innocens the fourth in the yeare of Christ .1242 gaue to the Cardinalles rede hattes for the defence of Religion and that they should ryde on horseback through the citie Ther was a voice herd in the Popes court saying Come thou damned wretch into the iudgment of God the next day he was striken as though it had bin with a club and was found dead 75. Vrbane the fourth in the yeare of Christ .1262 made Christes crosse a saint and Corpus Christi likewise 76. Boniface the eight in the yeare of Christ .1290 gaue in the yere of Iubil ful remission of their sins to al thē that came to Rome Hée came out to the people vpon a solemne daye in the habite of a Pope in his Pontificalibus and gaue the people his blessinge The next day hée came forthe in the apparell of an Emperoure with a naked swerd borne before him satte him downe and cried with a loude voice loe here are two swerdes signifieng that bothe the temporal and spiritual iurisdiction was his He entred as a Foxe reigned as a Wolfe and died as a Dogge Hée decréed that he was the key bearer of heauen and that no man might iudge him althoughe hée caried innumerable soules to hell with him 87. Clement the 5. in the yeare of Christ .1313 did translate the Romishe Seate to Auenion in Fraunce Where his successoures remayned 74. yeares 78. Iohn the 22. in the yere of Christ .1318 taught that the sowles departed should not sée god before the last day And that hée him selfe is the head of the Churche and in the steade of Christe vnto whome the Gréekes answeared thus wée knowe your power ouer your subiectes your intolerable pryde we cannot abide your couetousnes wée are not able to satisfie the Deuill be wyth you for the Lorde is with vs. 79. Vrbane the 6. in the yeare of Christ .1388 put 5. cardinalles in a sacke and drowned them 80. Clement the 6. in the yeare of Christ .1343 commaunded the Aungells of paradise to bring out of Purgatorie those soules that were perdoned and to cary them into the glorie of paradise Hée graunted also to them that made a crosse in their forehed that they might deliuer 3. or 4. soules out of purgatorie whome they lusted 81. Iulius the second in the yere ●o Christ .1502 a man ful of al mischife threw Peters keyes into Tiber hée licensed Henrie the 8. King of England to Marie his brothers wiffe what soeuer ordinaunce is to the contrarie set out by the Apostles Quibuscunque decretis Apostolicis non obstantibus 82 Leo the 10. in the yeare of Christ 1512. cauled the Gospell a fable Hée caused his comissioners to perswade the people that for ten shillinges they might haue whose Soule they would out of purgatory they preached that if it were one iote lesse then ten shillinges it would profite nothing for they sayde it was an infallible rule that God would doo what they would haue him to doo according to this texte Quicquid soluries super terram c. These pardons Luther began to confute and therfore was cursed by the said Leo. At this tyme ther was such lightening and thunder at Rome that it shaked the Temple where the Cardinalles were chosen on such sorte that Christ our Ladyes younge sonne was smitten out of hir armes and the keys out of saint Peters handes which many interpreted to signifie and foreshowe the Ruin of the Romish seate and to that end there were many verses written 83 Clement the eight in the yeare of Christ 1524. was a bastard a Coniurer a Murtherer a Sodomite periured a Robber full of Sacrilege and the Mayster of all mischiéefe 84 Paule the third in the yeare of Christ .1534 Excomunicated England he compelled his sister to lye with Pope Alexander the 6. that he might be made a Cardinall he poysoned his natural Mother and his Nephewe that al the inheritance might come to him self he poysoned an other Sister whom hée had defloured bycause that she loued other better then him He promysed a noble woman mariage lay with her and deceyued her with changing his apparell he was taken in bed with his Niece an other mans wyfe and wounded sore of her husbande hée laye with his owne daughter Constantia and killed her husband he regystred 45. thowsande whoores of which he had monthly a Ducate 85 Iulius the 3. in the yeare of Christe 1549. beside the Blasphemies which hée vsed for his Hogges flesh and Peacock the Cardinalles demaūded him why he did make such an vngracious Boye called Innocentius too bée Cardinall and what hée sawe in him Hée answeared I pray you what did you sée in mée that caused you to make mée Pope is it not the course of fortune to aduance whom shée will without desartes As I haue in repeting certaine actes of the Popes vttered some that are not wicked and some that are moste detestable so in declaring these Antitheses and contrarieti●s I must néedes declare some good thinges but moste parte detestable Neither doth the Deuill speake alwaies euill though his intente is to that ende in theise Antitheses yée shall sée their discention in words discord in matter diuersitie in iudgment and varietie in opinions Repugnancie in writing is the subuersion of that thinge which you go about to defend