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non_fw-la against_o the_o donatist_n the_o same_o spirit_n of_o god_n be_v give_v to_o all_o saint_n who_o be_v knit_v one_o to_o another_o in_o charity_n whether_o they_o know_v one_o another_o corporal_o or_o not_o of_o the_o denomination_n protestant_n distinction_n the_o first_o protestant_n may_v be_v consider_v either_o according_a to_o their_o name_n take_v from_o at_o legal_a act_n of_o protest_v either_o against_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n or_o against_o the_o retinere_fw-la error_n and_o abuse_n of_o popery_n when_o they_o grow_v to_o their_o full_a measure_n &_o be_v most_o unsufferable_a about_o the_o time_n that_o luther_n begin_v to_o oppose_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n or_o a_o little_a after_o or_o from_o the_o protestation_n of_o the_o bohemian_n in_o the_o year_n of_o our_o lord_n 1421._o set_v down_o by_o 5._o coclaeus_n in_o his_o l._n 5._o histor_n of_o the_o hussit_n or_o according_a to_o their_o faith_n and_o doctrine_n positive_o comprise_v in_o &_o confine_v to_o scripture_n and_o opposite_o as_o it_o be_v repugnant_a to_o all_o error_n in_o faith_n and_o manner_n against_o the_o holy_a scripture_n especial_o against_o the_o present_a error_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n in_o this_o question_n we_o consider_v protestant_n in_o the_o late_a sense_n not_o in_o the_o former_a the_o name_n we_o confess_v of_o protestant_n be_v not_o very_o ancient_a as_o neither_o be_v the_o name_n of_o papist_n much_o less_o of_o jesuit_n but_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o protestant_n we_o maintain_v to_o be_v as_o ancient_a as_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n philad_n and_o we_o may_v true_o say_v with_o ignatius_n the_o martyr_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d jesus_n christ_n be_v my_o antiquity_n as_o the_o same_o piece_n of_o gold_n successive_o pass_v through_o diverse_a stamp_n and_o inscription_n so_o the_o selfsame_a faith_n of_o protestant_n in_o substance_n have_v pass_v through_o all_o age_n yet_o with_o diverse_a name_n as_o of_o becherit_v 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doctrine_n be_v of_o two_o sort_n either_o implicitly_a and_o virtual_o and_o such_o be_v all_o those_o who_o hold_v the_o scripture_n for_o the_o sole_a and_o entire_a rule_n of_o faith_n condemn_v consequent_o all_o doctrine_n of_o faith_n against_o or_o beside_o the_o holy_a scripture_n especial_o if_o they_o deliver_v such_o position_n and_o doctrine_n from_o whence_o by_o necessary_a and_o infallible_a consequence_n some_o particular_a error_n or_o other_o of_o the_o romish_a church_n although_o not_o perhaps_o spring_v up_o in_o their_o time_n may_v be_v refell_v or_o explicit_o and_o actual_o and_o such_o be_v they_o who_o direct_o &_o profess_o oppose_a romish_a error_n as_o they_o creep_v in_o or_o not_o long_o after_o especial_o those_o who_o oppose_v the_o whole_a mass_n of_o popish_a error_n and_o superstition_n after_o they_o grow_v to_o a_o ripe_a sore_n fit_a to_o be_v lance_v about_o the_o time_n of_o luther_n in_o this_o question_n we_o restrain_v not_o the_o name_n protestant_n to_o those_o who_o
oracle_n of_o the_o prophet_n the_o countenance_n of_o the_o church_n be_v figure_v when_o at_o the_o first_o rise_v again_o she_o be_v renew_a into_o the_o age_n of_o the_o month_n she_o be_v hide_v by_o the_o darkness_n of_o the_o night_n and_o by_o little_a and_o little_o fill_v her_o horn_n or_o right_o over_o against_o the_o sun_n round_v they_o do_v shine_v with_o the_o light_n of_o clear_a brightness_n the_o six_o assertion_n the_o false_a and_o malignant_a church_n be_v oft_o time_n 〈◊〉_d visible_a conspicuous_a and_o ample_a than_o the_o true_a church_n and_o consequent_o eminent_a visibility_n amplitude_n and_o splendour_n be_v no_o certain_a note_n of_o the_o true_a church_n the_o glorious_a face_n and_o outside_n of_o a_o church_n which_o dazle_v our_o adversary_n eye_n be_v rather_o against_o 22._o michea_n then_o for_o he_o all_o the_o prophet_n prophesy_v etc._n etc._n it_o be_v rather_o against_o 10._o eliah_n then_o for_o he_o for_o there_o be_v 450_o priest_n of_o baal_n beside_o câ—â—marims_n and_o he_o take_v no_o notice_n in_o a_o manner_n of_o any_o servant_n of_o god_n but_o himself_o it_o be_v rather_o against_o 18._o jeremy_n then_o for_o he_o when_o all_o the_o priest_n take_v counsel_n against_o he_o say_v the_o law_n shall_v not_o depart_v from_o the_o priest_n etc._n etc._n nay_o the_o glorious_a outside_n and_o face_n of_o a_o church_n be_v rather_o against_o 1._o christ_n himself_o then_o for_o he_o all_o the_o chief_a priest_n and_o elder_n take_v counsel_n against_o jesus_n since_o christ_n death_n to_o instance_n only_o in_o one_o sort_n of_o heretic_n the_o arrian_n undoubted_o will_v have_v carry_v the_o truth_n away_o by_o voice_n and_o outward_a pomp_n for_o some_o hundred_o of_o year_n if_o that_o be_v a_o safe_a trial_n for_o saint_n 7._o jerome_n complain_v tunc_fw-la 〈◊〉_d usiae_fw-la nomen_fw-la abolitum_fw-la est_fw-la tunc_fw-la 〈◊〉_d fidei_fw-la damnatio_fw-la conclamata_fw-la est_fw-la 〈…〉_z arrianum_n se_fw-la esse_fw-la miratus_fw-la est_fw-la then_o the_o name_n of_o substance_n be_v abolish_v then_o the_o condemnation_n of_o the_o â—â—cene_n creed_n be_v proclaim_v the_o whole_a world_n sigh_v and_o marvel_v that_o it_o become_v arrian_n vincentius_n 6â—_n putâ—_n theâ—_n case_n what_o be_v to_o be_v do_v quando_fw-la say_v he_o arrianorum_n venenum_fw-la non_fw-la ià m_fw-la portiunculam_fw-la quandam_fw-la sed_fw-la pene_fw-la orbem_fw-la totum_fw-la contaminaverat_fw-la adeo_fw-la ut_fw-la prope_fw-la cunctis_fw-la latini_n sermonis_fw-la episcopis_fw-la partim_fw-la vi_fw-la partim_fw-la fraud_n deceptis_fw-la caligo_n quaedam_fw-la mentibus_fw-la offunderetur_fw-la when_o as_o the_o poison_n of_o the_o arrian_n do_v not_o infect_v a_o little_a portion_n but_o in_o a_o manner_n the_o whole_a world_n insomuch_o that_o almost_o all_o the_o latin_a bishop_n partly_o by_o force_n and_o partly_o by_o cunning_a be_v entrap_v and_o have_v a_o kind_n of_o mist_n cast_v before_o their_o eye_n these_o thing_n be_v so_o may_v we_o not_o just_o upbraid_v the_o papist_n as_o gregory_n nazianzen_n do_v the_o arrian_n arrian_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d &_o c_o where_o be_v they_o now_o who_o upbraid_v poverty_n unto_o we_o and_o boast_v of_o their_o wealth_n who_o define_v the_o church_n by_o multitude_n and_o despise_v the_o little_a flock_n of_o christ_n who_o honour_n the_o sand_n and_o reproach_v the_o great_a light_n of_o heaven_n who_o treasure_n up_o check-stone_n and_o pass_v by_o margarite_n the_o seven_o assertion_n when_o there_o be_v a_o difference_n between_o the_o visible_a professor_n of_o christianity_n and_o each_o party_n pretend_v itself_o to_o be_v the_o true_a church_n in_o opposition_n to_o the_o other_o the_o only_a sure_a and_o infallible_a mean_n to_o know_v which_o of_o the_o dissident_a party_n be_v of_o the_o true_a church_n be_v by_o try_v their_o doctrine_n by_o scripture_n to_o this_o touchstone_n of_o truth_n the_o prophet_n 20._o isaiah_n direct_v we_o to_o the_o law_n and_o to_o the_o testimony_n if_o they_o speak_v not_o according_a to_o this_o word_n it_o be_v because_o there_o be_v no_o light_n in_o they_o and_o our_o bless_a saviour_n 9_o search_v the_o scripture_n for_o in_o they_o you_o think_v you_o have_v eternal_a life_n and_o s._n peter_n 19_o we_o have_v also_o a_o more_o sure_a word_n of_o prophecy_n unto_o which_o you_o do_v well_o if_o you_o give_v heed_n as_o to_o a_o light_n that_o shine_v in_o a_o dark_a place_n by_o this_o rule_n the_o 11._o berean_n examine_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o apostle_n search_v the_o scripture_n daily_o whether_o those_o thing_n be_v so_o saint_n austen_n 3._o best_a approve_v of_o this_o course_n to_o come_v to_o the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o true_a church_n in_o scripture_n canonicis_fw-la requiramus_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la in_o the_o canonical_a scripture_n let_v we_o search_v the_o church_n and_o non_fw-la audiamus_fw-la haec_fw-la dico_fw-la haec_fw-la dicis_fw-la sed_fw-la audiamus_fw-la 〈◊〉_d dicit_fw-la dominus_fw-la sunt_fw-la certi_fw-la libri_fw-la dominici_n quorum_fw-la authoritati_fw-la utrique_fw-la consentimus_fw-la ibi_fw-la quaeramus_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la let_v we_o not_o hear_v i_o say_v this_o or_o thou_o say_v this_o but_o let_v we_o hear_v this_o say_v the_o lord_n there_o be_v certain_a book_n of_o god_n to_o who_o authority_n we_o both_o consent_n there_o let_v we_o seek_v the_o church_n and_o after_o much_o debate_v the_o matter_n he_o conclude_v the_o chapter_n with_o these_o word_n ergo_fw-la in_o scripture_n be_v canonic_a be_v eam_fw-la requiramus_fw-la therefore_o let_v we_o seek_v she_o the_o church_n in_o the_o canonical_a scripture_n and_o cuique_fw-la nostrum_fw-la non_fw-la in_o iustitia_fw-la sua_fw-la sed_fw-la in_o scripture_n quaerat_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la aug._n ep_n 48._o saint_n 82._o basil_n direct_v we_o to_o the_o same_o course_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d with_o whosoever_o doctrine_n agreeable_a to_o scripture_n shall_v be_v find_v the_o truth_n be_v always_o to_o be_v adjudge_v to_o be_v on_o their_o side_n to_o forbear_v more_o allegation_n the_o learned_a author_n of_o the_o imperfect_a work_n on_o matthew_n hear_v the_o name_n of_o s._n 24._o chrysostome_n deliver_v a_o firm_a conclusion_n in_o formal_a and_o express_a term_n and_o that_o several_a time_n show_v that_o his_o judgement_n be_v settle_v and_o resolve_v upon_o it_o 〈…〉_z modis_fw-la â—stendebatur_fw-la quae_fw-la esset_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la christi_fw-la et_fw-la quae_fw-la gentilitas_fw-la nunc_fw-la autem_fw-la nullo_n modo_fw-la cognoscitur_fw-la quae_fw-la vera_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la christi_fw-la nisi_fw-la tantummodò_fw-la per_fw-la scripturas_fw-la quare_fw-la quia_fw-la omne_fw-la haec_fw-la quae_fw-la sunt_fw-la proprie_fw-la christi_fw-la in_o veritate_fw-la habent_fw-la et_fw-la haereses_fw-la illae_fw-la in_o schemate_fw-la similiter_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la similiter_fw-la scripturas_fw-la similiter_fw-la baptismum_fw-la similiter_fw-la eucharistiam_fw-la et_fw-la cetera_fw-la omne_fw-la demâ—m_fw-la ipsum_fw-la christum_fw-la volens_fw-la ergo_fw-la quis_fw-la cognoscere_fw-la quae_fw-la sit_fw-la vera_fw-la christi_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la unde_fw-la cognoscat_fw-la in_o tanta_fw-la confusione_n multitudinis_fw-la nisi_fw-la tantummodo_fw-la per_fw-la scripturas_fw-la et_fw-la pòst_fw-la qui_fw-la ergò_fw-la vult_fw-la cognoscere_fw-la quae_fw-la sit_fw-la vera_fw-la christi_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la unde_fw-la cognoscat_fw-la nisi_fw-la tantummodò_fw-la per_fw-la scriptural_a former_o it_o be_v show_v many_o way_n what_o be_v the_o true_a church_n of_o christ_n and_o what_o be_v gentilism_n but_o now_o it_o be_v know_v no_o other_o way_n which_o be_v the_o true_a church_n of_o christ_n but_o only_o by_o the_o scripture_n wherefore_o because_o all_o these_o thing_n which_o proper_o belong_v unto_o christ_n in_o truth_n even_o those_o heresy_n have_v in_o shadow_n in_o like_a manner_n the_o church_n in_o like_a manner_n the_o scripture_n in_o like_a manner_n baptism_n in_o like_a manner_n the_o lord_n supper_n and_o all_o other_o thing_n final_o christ_n himself_o he_o therefore_o who_o be_v desirous_a to_o know_v which_o be_v the_o true_a church_n of_o christ_n whence_o shall_v he_o know_v it_o in_o such_o a_o great_a confusion_n of_o multitude_n but_o only_o by_o the_o scripture_n and_o a_o little_a after_o he_o that_o will_v therefore_o know_v which_o be_v the_o true_a church_n of_o christ_n whence_o shall_v he_o know_v it_o but_o only_o by_o the_o scripture_n it_o be_v observe_v by_o those_o who_o follow_v the_o law_n that_o when_o a_o defendant_n except_v against_o the_o judgement_n &_o jurisdiction_n of_o the_o court_n he_o certain_o despair_n of_o his_o cause_n in_o that_o court._n and_o what_o can_v we_o interpret_v it_o in_o our_o adversary_n but_o distrust_n and_o despair_n of_o their_o cause_n to_o detract_v as_o they_o do_v from_o the_o perfection_n and_o except_v against_o the_o authority_n and_o sufficiency_n of_o scripture_n for_o decide_v all_o controversy_n and_o here_o i_o will_v be_v bold_a to_o turn_v the_o jesuite_n campion_n roar_v canon_n against_o he_o and_o his_o fellow_n 1._o cum_fw-la multa_fw-la sint_fw-la quae_fw-la adversariorum_fw-la in_o caâ—sa_fw-la diffidentiam_fw-la
loquuntur_fw-la tum_fw-la nihil_fw-la aqué_fw-fr atque_fw-la sauctorum_fw-la may_v as_o bibliorun_v foedissimè_fw-la violata_fw-la 〈…〉_z quid_fw-la causa_fw-la a_o fuit_fw-la ut_fw-la euangelium_fw-la mathaei_n &_o acta_fw-la resigerent_n apostolica_fw-la desperatio_fw-la etc._n etc._n quid_fw-la 〈◊〉_d ut_fw-la omnes_fw-la pauli_n repudiarent_fw-la epistolas_fw-la desperatiâ—_n i_o may_v add_v follow_v his_o tune_n quid_fw-la piggiâ—_n hosio_n lyndano_n quid_fw-la stapletono_n bellarmino_n &_o c_o whereas_o there_o be_v many_o thing_n which_o proclaim_v our_o adversary_n distrust_n of_o their_o cause_n so_o nothing_o so_o much_o as_o their_o profane_a violate_v of_o the_o majesty_n of_o holy_a scripture_n what_o be_v the_o cause_n that_o the_o manichee_n repeal_v the_o gospel_n of_o saint_n matthew_n and_o the_o act_n of_o the_o apostle_n desperation_n what_o be_v the_o cause_n that_o the_o ebionite_n reject_v all_o the_o epistle_n of_o saint_n paul_n desperation_n i_o may_v go_v on_o 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