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chapter_n of_o the_o abovesaid_a treatise_n but_o in_o regard_n i_o have_v mention_v so_o eminent_a a_o person_n and_o member_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n as_o dr._n thorndike_n i_o shall_v make_v bold_a to_o turn_v he_o into_o the_o lâ—sts_n against_o dr._n more_o the_o antithesis_fw-la of_o their_o doctrine_n be_v very_o remarkable_a for_o they_o run_v diametrical_o opposite_a one_o to_o another_o dr._n more_o affirm_v the_o worship_n of_o the_o host_n in_o the_o papacy_n to_o be_v idolatry_n dr._n thorndike_n ch_z 19_o deny_v the_o worship_n of_o the_o host_n in_o the_o papacy_n to_o be_v idolatry_n dr._n more_o hold_n that_o the_o place_n and_o reverence_v image_n iâ—_n church_n be_v idolatry_n dr._n thorndike_n ch_z 19_o hold_v that_o the_o place_n and_o reverence_v image_n in_o church_n be_v not_o idolatry_n dr._n more_o will_v have_v invocation_n of_o saint_n to_o be_v inexcusable_a idolatry_n dr._n thorndike_n ch_z 16._o excuse_v invocation_n of_o saint_n from_o idolatry_n last_o dr._n more_o exhort_v all_o man_n to_o separate_v from_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n as_o idolater_n but_o dr._n thorndike_n chap._n 1._o avow_v to_o all_o the_o world_n that_o those_o who_o separate_v from_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n as_o idolater_n be_v thereby_o schismatics_n before_o god_n when_o the_o two_o doctor_n be_v full_o agree_v upon_o these_o point_n dr._n more_o shall_v hear_v more_o from_o i_o if_o he_o desire_v it_o in_o the_o mean_a time_n i_o shall_v entreat_v he_o to_o respite_n my_o pen_n for_o some_o other_o employment_n finis_fw-la errata_fw-la page_n 7._o line_n 10._o for_o where_o read_v there_o pag._n 9_o l._n ult_n for_o tear_v r._n bare_a p._n 14._o l._n 5._o f_o genus_fw-la r._n gent._n p._n 17._o l._n 1._o f._n scarce_o r._n scarce_o p._n 32._o l._n 9_o f._n speak_v r._n speaker_n isa_n 46._o psal_n 115._o habac._n 2._o act_n 19_o 26._o venerabar_fw-la inquit_fw-la o_o caecitas_fw-la nuper_fw-la simulacra-in_a incudibus_fw-la deos_fw-la 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the_o ingenuous_a author_n of_o lux_fw-la orientalis_n or_o the_o pre-existence_n of_o soul_n a_o happy_a pen_n and_o worthy_a of_o a_o better_a subject_n and_o a_o great_a honourer_n of_o dr._n more_o council_n 7_o m._n actio_fw-la 7._o conc._n 8_o m._n actio_fw-la ult_n can_v 3._o 3._o apoc._n 2._o 13._o 13._o apoc._n 3._o 9_o 9_o apoc._n 2._o 13_o 14._o 14._o apoc._n 2._o 20._o 20._o apoc._n 9_o 20._o 20._o apoc._n 11._o 8_o 8_o apoc._n 13._o 11._o 11._o apoc._n 17._o mr._n thorndike_n in_o his_o just_a weight_n and_o measure_n
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