be_v due_a only_a to_o the_o creator_n and_o therefore_o i_o can_v but_o wonder_v at_o those_o who_o will_v make_v this_o only_a of_o the_o same_o nature_n with_o our_o desire_v fellow-christians_a to_o pray_v for_o we_o for_o be_v there_o no_o difference_n between_o a_o man_n entreat_v a_o courtier_n to_o present_v his_o petition_n to_o the_o king_n and_o his_o fall_v down_o on_o his_o knee_n to_o he_o with_o all_o the_o ceremony_n due_a to_o the_o king_n himself_o and_o then_o put_v it_o off_o with_o say_v that_o in_o all_o that_o he_o only_o desire_v he_o to_o sue_v to_o his_o majesty_n in_o his_o behalf_n although_o therefore_o we_o condemn_v not_o the_o solemn_a pray_v to_o god_n not_o only_o to_o hear_v the_o prayer_n of_o the_o church_n militant_a but_o of_o that_o part_n of_o it_o which_o be_v triumphant_a in_o behalf_n of_o the_o other_o in_o general_n yet_o this_o fall_v far_o short_a of_o solemn_a address_n in_o place_n of_o divine_a worship_n and_o in_o sacred_a office_n 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utmost_a you_o can_v make_v of_o the_o citation_n out_o of_o the_o sermon_n on_o st._n stephen_n which_o with_o the_o rest_n de_fw-fr sanctis_fw-la be_v vehement_o suspect_v and_o the_o other_o on_o job_n be_v counterfeit_a yet_o there_o be_v a_o great_a deal_n of_o difference_n to_o be_v put_v between_o such_o a_o call_n upon_o martyr_n of_o who_o only_a st._n austin_n speak_v out_o of_o a_o desire_n of_o their_o prayer_n and_o a_o solemn_a and_o direct_a pray_v to_o they_o in_o the_o most_o sacred_a office_n and_o public_a devotion_n which_o be_v use_v and_o approve_v in_o your_o church_n for_o whatever_o there_o may_v be_v of_o private_a devotion_n not_o to_o call_v it_o superstition_n this_o way_n in_o st._n augustine_n time_n in_o desire_v the_o prayer_n of_o depart_a saint_n who_o they_o can_v have_v no_o ground_n at_o all_o to_o believe_v they_o hear_v they_o yet_o you_o can_v bring_v no_o evidence_n of_o any_o use_n of_o this_o in_o the_o public_a office_n of_o the_o church_n much_o less_o of_o that_o direct_a invocation_n which_o we_o most_o of_o all_o charge_n your_o church_n with_o that_o than_o which_o begin_v in_o mere_a hypothetical_a address_n go_v somewhat_o further_o when_o they_o begin_v to_o grow_v more_o confident_a that_o in_o some_o extraordinary_a way_n or_o other_o the_o saint_n hear_v they_o but_o still_o this_o keep_v itself_o within_o the_o bound_n of_o the_o cultus_fw-la dilectionis_fw-la &_o societatis_fw-la that_o respect_n which_o arise_v from_o love_n and_o communion_n but_o it_o be_v a_o good_a while_n after_o before_o it_o obtain_v a_o place_n in_o the_o public_a office_n and_o yet_o long_o before_o it_o come_v to_o that_o height_n of_o religious_a invocation_n which_o be_v more_o practise_v then_o plead_v for_o in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n for_o although_o great_a endeavour_n be_v use_v to_o smooth_a over_o these_o gross_a abuse_n with_o fair_a distinction_n of_o relative_a and_o absolute_a direct_a and_o indirect_a worship_n yet_o the_o general_a practice_n be_v uncapable_a of_o be_v palliate_v by_o these_o narrow_a cover_n there_o be_v the_o most_o formal_a and_o direct_a invocation_n use_v to_o saint_n for_o spiritual_a and_o temporal_a blessing_n which_o be_v allow_v of_o in_o common_a practice_n and_o the_o most_o sacred_a office_n can_v never_o be_v excuse_v from_o as_o great_a idolatry_n as_o the_o heathen_n be_v guilty_a of_o in_o the_o worship_n of_o their_o inferior_a deity_n i_o conclude_v this_o therefore_o with_o that_o of_o spalatensis_n sanct._n religious_a invocation_n of_o saint_n be_v heathenism_n and_o mere_a civil_a invocation_n of_o they_o though_o not_o so_o bad_a be_v yet_o dangerous_a and_o therefore_o wicelius_n just_o say_v that_o the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n be_v to_o be_v cast_v out_o of_o the_o church_n because_o it_o ascribe_v god_n honour_n and_o attribute_n to_o his_o creature_n and_o derogate_v from_o the_o office_n and_o glory_n of_o christ_n by_o make_v saint_n mediator_n and_o intercessor_n 24._o which_o be_v that_o we_o now_o come_v to_o consider_v for_o as_o his_o lordship_n say_v when_o the_o church_n pray_v to_o god_n for_o any_o thing_n 276._o she_o desire_v to_o be_v hear_v for_o the_o mercy_n and_o the_o merit_n of_o christ_n not_o for_o the_o merit_n of_o any_o saint_n whatsoever_o for_o i_o much_o doubt_n this_o be_v to_o make_v the_o saint_n more_o than_o mediator_n of_o intercession_n which_o be_v all_o that_o you_o will_v acknowledge_v you_o allow_v to_o the_o saint_n for_o i_o pray_v be_v not_o by_o the_o merit_v more_o than_o by_o the_o intercession_n do_v not_o christ_n redeem_v we_o by_o his_o merit_n and_o if_o god_n must_v hear_v our_o prayer_n for_o the_o merit_n of_o the_o saint_n how_o much_o fall_n they_o short_a of_o sharer_n in_o the_o mediation_n of_o redemption_n such_o prayer_n as_o these_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n make_v at_o this_o day_n and_o they_o stand_v not_o without_o great_a scandal_n to_o christ_n and_o christianity_n use_v and_o authorize_v to_o be_v use_v in_o the_o missal_n to_o this_o you_o answer_v in_o two_o thing_n 1._o that_o such_o prayer_n as_o these_o be_v use_v in_o scripture_n 292._o 2._o that_o they_o be_v no_o derogation_n to_o the_o merit_n of_o christ._n for_o the_o first_o you_o say_v solomon_n psal._n 132._o pray_n to_o god_n to_o hear_v he_o in_o effect_n for_o the_o merit_n of_o his_o father_n david_n decease_v when_o he_o say_v memento_n domine_fw-la david_n &_o omnis_fw-la mansuetudinis_fw-la ejus_fw-la lord_n remember_v david_n and_o all_o his_o meekness_n etc._n etc._n this_o you_o say_v can_v be_v understand_v of_o god_n covenant_n and_o promise_n make_v to_o david_n as_o protestant_n vain_o pretend_v but_o of_o david_n piety_n and_o virtue_n by_o which_o he_o be_v acceptable_a to_o god_n for_o which_o reason_n he_o add_v again_o for_o thy_o servant_n david_n sake_n turn_v not_o away_o the_o face_n of_o thou_o anoint_v the_o like_a be_v do_v by_o daniel_n moses_n hieremias_n and_o other_o prophet_n pray_v unto_o god_n and_o desire_v their_o petition_n may_v be_v hear_v for_o abraham_n for_o isaac_n for_o israel_n sake_n and_o for_o the_o sake_n of_o other_o holy_a man_n who_o have_v live_v before_o and_o be_v in_o their_o time_n person_n acceptable_a to_o god_n and_o for_o this_o you_o quote_v st._n austin_n and_o chrysostome_n so_o far_o you_o have_v very_o fair_o render_v bellarmin_n exact_o in_o english_a but_o we_o be_v yet_o to_o seek_v 19_o why_o all_o those_o expression_n in_o scripture_n be_v not_o to_o be_v understand_v of_o the_o covenant_n and_o promise_n god_n make_v with_o those_o person_n who_o be_v mention_v by_o you_o for_o it_o be_v considerable_a that_o you_o instance_n in_o none_o but_o such_o who_o god_n have_v make_v a_o express_a covenant_n with_o as_o with_o the_o
scripture_n reason_n or_o antiquity_n for_o the_o pope_n personal_a infallibility_n p._n 533._o chap._n iii_o of_o the_o error_n of_o pretend_a general_n council_n the_o erroneous_a doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n in_o make_v the_o priest_n intention_n necessary_a to_o the_o essence_n of_o sacrament_n that_o principle_n destructive_a to_o all_o certainty_n of_o faith_n upon_o our_o author_n ground_n the_o absurdity_n of_o assert_v that_o council_n define_v themselves_o to_o be_v infallible_a sacramental_a action_n sufficient_o distinguish_v from_o other_o without_o the_o priest_n intention_n of_o the_o moral_a assurance_n of_o the_o priest_n intention_n and_o the_o insufficiency_n of_o a_o mere_a virtual_a intention_n the_o pope_n confirmation_n of_o council_n suppose_v personal_a infallibility_n transubstantiation_n a_o error_n decree_v by_o pope_n and_o council_n the_o repugnancy_n of_o it_o to_o the_o ground_n of_o faith_n the_o testimony_n bring_v for_o it_o out_o of_o antiquity_n examine_v at_o large_a and_o show_v to_o be_v far_o from_o prove_v transubstantiation_n communion_n in_o one_o kind_n a_o violation_n of_o christ_n institution_n the_o decree_n of_o the_o council_n of_o constance_n imply_v a_o non_fw-la obstante_fw-la to_o it_o the_o unalterable_a nature_n of_o christ_n institution_n clear_v the_o several_a evasion_n consider_v and_o answer_v no_o public_a communion_n in_o one_o kind_n for_o a_o thousand_o year_n after_o christ._n the_o indispensableness_n of_o christ_n institution_n own_v by_o the_o primitive_a church_n of_o invocation_n of_o saint_n and_o the_o rhetorical_a expression_n of_o the_o father_n which_o give_v occasion_n to_o it_o no_o footstep_n of_o the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n in_o the_o three_o first_o century_n nor_o precept_n or_o example_n in_o scripture_n as_o our_o adversary_n confess_v evidence_n against_o invocation_n of_o saint_n from_o the_o christian_n answer_n to_o the_o heathen_n the_o worship_n of_o spirit_n and_o hero_n among_o the_o heathen_n justifiable_a on_o the_o same_o ground_n that_o invocation_n of_o saint_n be_v in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n commemoration_n of_o the_o saint_n without_o invocation_n in_o s._n augustine_n time_n invocation_n of_o saint_n as_o practise_v in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n a_o derogation_n to_o the_o merit_n of_o christ._n of_o the_o worship_n of_o image_n and_o the_o near_a approach_n to_o pagan_a idolatry_n therein_o no_o use_v or_o veneration_n of_o image_n in_o the_o primitive_a church_n the_o church_n of_o rome_n just_o chargeable_a with_o the_o abuse_v commit_v in_o the_o worship_n of_o image_n page_n 554._o chap._n iu._n of_o the_o possibility_n of_o salvation_n in_o the_o roman_a church_n protestant_n concessions_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v any_o ground_n to_o prefer_v the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n how_o far_o those_o concession_n extend_v the_o uncharitableness_n of_o romanist_n if_o they_o yield_v not_o the_o same_o to_o we_o the_o weakness_n of_o the_o argument_n to_o prove_v the_o roman_a church_n the_o safe_a way_n to_o salvation_n on_o protestant_a principle_n the_o dangerous_a doctrine_n of_o romanist_n about_o the_o easiness_n of_o salvation_n by_o the_o sacrament_n of_o penance_n the_o case_n parallel_v between_o the_o donatist_n and_o romanist_n in_o deny_v salvation_n to_o all_o but_o themselves_o and_o the_o advantage_n equal_a from_o their_o adversary_n concession_n the_o advantage_n of_o the_o protestant_n if_o that_o be_v the_o safe_a way_n which_o both_o party_n be_v agree_v in_o manifest_v and_o vindicate_v in_o several_a particular_n the_o principle_n itself_o at_o large_a show_v to_o be_v a_o mere_a contingent_a proposition_n and_o such_o as_o may_v lead_v to_o heresy_n and_o infidelity_n the_o case_n of_o the_o leader_n in_o the_o roman_a church_n and_o other_o distinguish_v the_o error_n and_o superstition_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n make_v its_o communion_n very_o dangerous_a in_o order_n to_o salvation_n page_n 611._o chap._n v._o the_o safety_n of_o the_o protestant_n faith_n the_o sufficiency_n of_o the_o protestant_a faith_n to_o salvation_n manifest_v by_o disprove_v the_o cavil_n against_o it_o c's_o tedious_a repâ—titions_n pass_v over_o the_o argument_n from_o possession_n at_o large_a consider_v no_o prescription_n allowable_a where_o the_o law_n have_v antecedent_o determine_v the_o right_n of_o the_o infallibility_n of_o oral_a tradition_n that_o contrary_a to_o the_o receive_a doctrine_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n and_o in_o itself_o unreasonable_a the_o ground_n of_o it_o examine_v the_o ridiculousness_n of_o the_o plea_n of_o bare_a possession_n discover_v general_n answer_v return_v to_o the_o remain_a chapter_n consist_v whole_o of_o thing_n already_o discuss_v the_o place_n of_o s._n cyprian_n to_o cornelius_n particular_o vindicate_v the_o proof_n of_o succession_n of_o doctrine_n lie_v on_o the_o romanist_n by_o their_o own_o principle_n page_n 625._o chap._n vi_o the_o sense_n of_o the_o father_n concern_v purgatory_n the_o advantage_n which_o come_v to_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n by_o the_o doctrine_n of_o purgatory_n thence_o the_o boldness_n of_o our_o adversary_n in_o contend_v for_o it_o the_o sense_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n concern_v purgatory_n explain_v the_o controversy_n between_o the_o greek_a and_o latin_a church_n concern_v it_o the_o difference_n in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n about_o purgatory_n some_o general_a consideration_n about_o the_o sense_n of_o the_o father_n as_o to_o its_o be_v a_o article_n of_o faith_n the_o doubtfulness_n and_o uncertainty_n of_o the_o father_n judgement_n in_o this_o particular_a manifest_v by_o s._n austin_n the_o first_o who_o seem_v to_o assert_v a_o purgation_n before_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a use_v in_o the_o ancient_a church_n do_v not_o infer_v purgatory_n the_o primate_n of_o armagh_n vindicate_v from_o our_o adversary_n calumny_n the_o general_a intention_n of_o the_o church_n distinguish_v from_o the_o private_a opinion_n of_o particular_a person_n the_o prayer_n of_o the_o church_n respect_v the_o day_n of_o judgement_n the_o testimony_n of_o the_o father_n in_o behalf_n of_o purgatory_n examine_v particular_o of_o the_o pretend_a dionysius_n tertullian_n s._n cyprian_n origen_n s._n ambrose_n s._n hierom_n s._n basil_n nazianzen_n lactantius_n hilary_n gregory_n nyssen_n etc._n etc._n and_o not_o one_o of_o they_o assert_n the_o purgatory_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n s._n austin_n do_v not_o contradict_v himself_o about_o it_o the_o doctrine_n of_o purgatory_n no_o elder_a than_o gregory_n 1._o and_o build_v on_o credulity_n and_o superstition_n the_o church_n infallibility_n make_v at_o last_o the_o foundation_n of_o the_o belief_n of_o purgatory_n the_o falsity_n of_o that_o principle_n and_o the_o whole_a conclude_v page_n 636._o errata_fw-la sic_fw-la corrige_n page_n 21_o l_o 12_o for_o 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