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A29331 A narrative of the proceedings of a great councel of Jews assembled in the plain of Ageda in Hungaria ... to examine the Scriptures concerning Christ, on the 12th of October 1650 / by Samuel Brett, there present ; also a relation of some other observations in his travels beyond the seas ... Brett, Samuel. 1655 (1655) Wing B4400; ESTC R19639 9,078 16

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pressing of this argument did almost put them to a nonplus till at last they had this evasion though weak and vile they were said they by other Magitians convinced to be so in their mothers wombs that although himself were not then borne when they were born with these evils yet he being a great dissembler more cunning then any Magitian before him power was given him by the Devil to remove those charms which others had placed and there was one Pharisee named Zebedee that of the Pharisees there did most opprobriously revile him and Vehemently urge these things against him but I conceive he did it not to the well-liking of many there that heard him even members of the Councel And as the Pharisees that day played their parts against him so did the Sadduces also endeavour for some of that sect were also of the Councel to render Christ vile and odious to the rest of the Iewes that were assembled there I observed it was with them as it was once with Herod and Pilate though they two could not agree betwixt themselves at other times yet they could agree together to crucifie Christ for the Pharisees and Sadduces though they be much divided in opinion among themselves yet did they at this time too much agree to disgrace and to dishonor Christ with their lyes calumnies and blasphemies for the Sadduces as well as the Pharisees did in other things accuse him for a grand Impostor and for a broacher of corrupt doctrine in that in his Gospel he teacheth the resurrection from the dead which they there denyed to be true doctrine but it is no new thing to see factions dissenting to agree in some evil designe against others as I found it by experience being at Rome in the year 1650. which was the year of their Iubilee there was a great strife between the Iesuites and the Fryers of the order of Saint Dominicke both which were against the Protestants and although their differences have been by the care and vigilance of the Pope so smothered that the world hath not taken much notice thereof yet this fire broke out into a flame greater then ever it was before as they certified me there both by publicke Disputings and by bitter Writings one against another opening the vices and errors of one anothers Faction thus seeking to disgrace one the other which caused the Pope to threaten to excommunicate the authors of all such black and libellous bookes that did tend to the dishonor of his Clergy and Religion to make them infamous to the world But this by the way We are come now to the seventh and last day of their Councel and on this day this way the main Quere amongst them If Christ be come then what rules and orders hath he left his Church to walke by This was a great Question amongst them and because they did not believe the new Testament nor would be guided by it they demanded some other instruction to direct and guide them in this point thereupon six of the Roman Clergy who of purpose were sent from Rome by the Pope to assist in this Councel were called in viz. two Iesuites two Friers of the Order of S. Augustine and two of the order of S. Francis and these being admitted into the Councel began to open unto them the Rules and Doctrine of the holy Church of Rome as they call it which Church they magnified to them for the holy Catholike Church of Christ and their doctrine to be the infallible Doctrine of Christ and their Rules to be the rules which the Apostles left to the Church for ever to be observed and that the Pope is the holy Vicar of Christ and the successor of Saint Peter and for instance in some particulars they affirmed the real presence of Christ in the Sacrament the Religious observation of their holy dayes the invocation of Saints praying to the Virgin Mary and her commanding power in heaven over her Son the holy use of the Cross and Images with the rest of their Idolatrous and superstitious worship all which they commended to the Assembly of the Iewes for the Doctrine and Rules of the Apostles But so soon as the Assembly had heard these things from them they were generally exceedingly troubled thereat and fell into high clamours against them and their Religion crying out No Christ no Woman-God no intercession of Saints no worshipping of Images no praying to the Virgin Mary c. Truely their trouble hereat was so great that it troubled me to see their impatience they rent their cloaths and cast dust upon their heads and cryed out aloud Blasphemy blasphemy and upon this the Councel broke up Yet they assembled again the eighth day and all that was done then was to agree upon another meeting of their Nation three yeers after which was concluded upon before their final dissolution I do believe there were many Iewes there that would have been perswaded to own the Lord Jesus and this I assure you for a truth and it is for the honor of our Religion