the heresie of the Eunomians Aug. ad quod wlt Deum heres 54. that by faith only man may obtaine life euerlasting 54. Of the Pelagians Why haue yee renewed the heresie of the Pelagians Aug. ad quod vult heres 11. teaching that infaÌ„ts may be saued without Baptisme 55. Of the Iouinians Why haue yee renewed the heresies of Iouinianus Aug. ad quod vult haer 81. teaching mariage to be as acceptable to God as virginitie that it is lawfull for Monkes Nunnes to marrie 56. Of the Vigilantians Why haue yee renewed the heresies of Vigilantius denying the inuocatioÌ„ of Saints the honoring of the relicks of the Martyrs Hier. con Vigil 57. Of the Eustichians Why haue yee renewed the heresie of the Eustachians affirming that it is not lawful to go in Pilgrimage vnto holy places 58. Of the Iconomachians Why haue yee renewed the heresie of the Iconomachians Concil Gang. breaking downe the Images of our Lord Iesus Christ of his Saints 59. Of the Beringarians Why haue yee renewed the heresie of Beringarius denying the body and blood of our Lord Iesus Christ to be reallie present in the Sacrament of the Altar 60. Of many other heresies Why haue yee reneued maÌ„y other heresies of the Albigenses Waldenses Wickliffits Hussits of Abailhardus of Almaricus of other more detestable heretiques condemned many years since by the church of God 61. Following heretiques only in some pointes Why haue yee followed the aforsaid heretiks in these pointsoÌ„ly in which they haue dissented froÌ„ the whole church of God and reiected the rest of their doctrine 62. Scottish Reformation Whether your Reformation which yee haue made in the realme of Scatland in pulling downe of the Churches be not rather like to the Reformatign of Turkes and Pagans then to a Reformation made by Christians 63. Churches made Stables Whither in making Stables of the Churches in Scotland so that horses were stabled on your Kinges graues and in diging vp the bones of Christian men resemble yee rather to be Christians or Infidels and Pagans 64. Burning Reliques What moued you to burne the holy Reliques of Saints who were Temples and Tabernacles of the holy Ghost when they liued which among all ChristiaÌ„s since the Apostles dayes vnto this present haue bene holden in honor and veneration 65. Burning the Doct. writinges Why burnt yee the writinges of the Doctors holy fathers as of S. Ambrose S. Augustine S. Hierome and others and yet shame not to say that yee professe one faith with them 66. Depossing magistrates Where is the veritie and effect of your solemne protestations promising that your ReformatioÌ„ was not to disposses any magistrat when yee haue not only raised vproares in the contrie and expelled thence the chiefe magistrates but in your preachinges would plainly thrall all kinges and kingdomes and haue them subiect to the election and punishmeÌ„t of the people setting forth your sundry bookes therupon 67. Libertie of Conscience Why in the begining of your new gospell preached yee liberty of conscience now constraine all men to subscribe to your new doctrine yee them whome yee know to beleeue the contrarie 68. Profession of pouertie Why preached yee when yee first vsurped authoritie to preache that the Ministers of the word ought to profes and obserue pouertie as the Apostles did and presently none in the whole realme are so couetous as yee are not only to giue mony vpoÌ„ land but also vpon planie vsurie 69. Churches patrimonie Why pretend yee to haue the benefices and patrimonie of the Church seeing yee cannot shew your selues to be lawfull heires and successours to them who were the true and right posessors therof before you And why haue yee reiected as Idolatrie all that which appertayneth to them whom yee cal papistes excepting only the patrimonie liuing of the Church Or if there were no Churchin the contry before your coming why pretend yee as patrimony any other thing theÌ„ hath already bene giuen to your congregation by those of your owne coate 70. Building Churches Seeing one spirit could not moue so many of our Kinges to build so many Churches Colledges Abbies and you to destroy the same which of you two may be iustly esteemed to be moued by the good spirit and which by the euil 71. Finally whether these your doinges tend not to the abolition of all memorie of our Lord Iesus Christ yea or no Seing already some of you doe dout in what time of the yeare he was borne as whether in winter or in summer so that apparently your next dout will be whether he was borne or not which appeares to be the end and conclusion of your new gospell THE TITLES OF THE DEMANDES Contayned in this booke of D. BRISTOVV 1 COLLATIO CarthagineÌ„sis pag. 6 2 Building of the Church 11 3 Going out 16 4 After-rising 18 5 VVondred at 20 6 Name of Catholikes 22 7 Name of Heretikes 26 8 Name of Protestants 27 9 Conuersion of Heathen Nationss 31 10 Miracles 34 11 England 38 12 Visions 41 13 Hoâ—or of Crosses 42 14 Vertue of Crosse 45 15 Honor of Saintes 46 16 Vertue of Saints 47 17 Casting out of Diuells 48 18 Destroying of Idolatry 52 19 Kinges 54 20 In all persecutions 57 21 Churches 60 22 Seruice 63 23 Apish imitation 66 24 Priesthood 67 25 Monkes 72 26 Fathers 73 27 Councells 75 28 Sea Apostolicke 77 29 Traditions Apostolike 78 30 Their owne Doctors 79 31 Vniuersality 80 32 Antiquity 82 33 Consent 83 34 Authority 84 35 Vnity 89 36 Keepers of the Scriptures 91 37 Store-house of all Truth 92 38 Old Heresyes 95 39 Where grew their dostrine 96 40 They neuer afore now 98 41 Studying of all Truth 99 42 Vnsent 101 43 Succession 102 44 Apostolike Church 103 45 Changing 105 46 Our Auncestors saued 108 47 Communion of Saints 109 48 VVhere Christ worketh 112 49 All enemyes 118 50 Sure to continue 119 51 Apostacy 119 THE TITLES OF THE DEMANDES Contayned in this other booke 1 PReachers 131 2 VVhence their doctrin 131 3 VVhence their vocation 132 4 If conforme to predecessors 132 5 VVho their Doctours 133 6 Their admission of Tinkers 134 7 If the oÌ„ly writteÌ„ word be Iudg 135 8. S. Thomas Ghospell 136 9. VVhy Iewes credited 137 10. Churches authoritie 137 11. Citing only the writteÌ„ word 138 12. If Scripture be easy 139 13. Conference of places 139 14. No meanes to be resolued 140 15. Traditions 141 16. Thinges vnwritten ordered 142 16. Church not inuisible 142 17. Their Church how long 143 18. The Sinagogue visible 144 19. Time of decaying 145 20. Sucession of theirs 145 21. Condemning heresies 146 22. Imitation of heretiques 146 23. Sacraments seales 147 24. Faith assures not grace 147 25. Value of Sacraments 148 26. Necessitie of Baptisme 148 27. Preachetiue Baptisme 148 28. Baptisme of Infidels infants 149 29. Ceremonies of Baptisme 150 30. Confirmation 150 31. Reall presence 151 32.
Father for thē nor for any one thing that they hold against vs The 34. Demaund Authoritie VVHETHER the Church of Christ did not euermore take her selfe to be of Authoritie irrefragable and so beare her selfe as necessarie worthie to be beleeued vpon her onelyword and therfore no man to controll her a Aug. ep 105. Sentence or Iudgement no man to misdoubt her b Aug ep 118 c. 3. ep 105. Practise And whether S. Augustine haue not written a booke therupon which he calleth De vtilitate credendi Of the vtilitie of beleeuing the Church in all thinges shewing how profitable how necessary how sure a way that is for the finding out of true Religion And whether the Maniches then as the Protestantes now founde not fault with that way And whether the true Christians notwithstanding did not for all that hold thē against those all other Heretickes vpon the Churches Authoritie Chris con gent. de S. Ba◠coll 882. 884. Et con Iud. ar 2. col 928. Eus Hist l. 1. c. 3. Devt or c. 14. yea and alleage it also vnto the Iewes and Painimes to proue that Christ is God and that the holy Scriptures with the Miracles and all other things in them contained be true because I say the Church or company of the Christians so saith and so beleeueth And whether Saint Augustine and that by true reason doth not infer therupon that seeing we beleeue Christ and the Scriptures because of the church we must therfore beleeue the Church in all other thinges also whatsoeuer it saieth against the Heretickes And whether this Authoritie do not therefore argue that the Church can neuer erre And whether neuer erring doe not argue that it can neuer perish And therfore again whether it do not now also well worthely claime the same authoritie Yea whether the Protestants themselues haue not receaued many thinges as Christ himselfe and the Scriptures themselues c. vpon our churches credite the church I say that now is Aske them then howe they can possiblye bee the church who willingly doe renounce the claime of such Authoritie and doe by their doings confesse it to be in the companie of their aduersaries Finally bydde the deceaued consider this well that they haue no forte or nūber of men amōgst them whom they may truste in all thinges with whom and in whose steppes they may venture to walke the way of Faith and Religion towardes saluation None of all the Sectes in our countrey nor in all the world so happie none so secure and therfore no Church amongest them because I say they openly renounce the claime of Authoritie confessing therby that it is not of them that the Creed saith I beleue the Church in so much that they haue suffered of late an vnlearned Christian as he is called to set out in Print a vaine libell againste the Aucthoritie of the Church of God comparing and opposing vnto it the Authority of the word of God as though the word of God and the Church of God were one against the other it being yet so plainely written that as the Father saied of his Sonne Mat. 17. Mat. 18. Ipsum audite Heare him So the Sonne said of his church Si Ecclesiam non audierit sit tibi ficut Ethnicus Publicanus If he will not heare the Church do thou vse him as the Iewes did as an Heathen and a Publican And yet this felow trusteth so much in his owne folie Prou. 17 that he is bold to prouoke all catholiks to answere his childishnes or els they must be accounted saith he no lesse then very Murderers It were good for him poore man that he had in him no more pride then learning My best counsaile to him for his saluation is that he reade humblye these Demaundes and looke whether any of his greate Masters will answere them And if after this his stomacke serue him still let him set out his Libel more orderly with his name with approbation of their Rabbins and with priuiledge that we labour not in vaine with the grace of God he shall quickly see it answered as vnworthy as it is The 35. Demand Vnity THEN whether vnity proced not of the sayd Authority And our Church therefore one for euer and not possibly by any questiō or controuersy to be desperatly deuided within it selfe They on the other side for lacke thereof running euery day into more and more diuision amongst thēselues multiplying Sectes as all men do see without hold or measure not being able to aleage herein any excuse for thēselues which the Arians Donatistes other olde Hereticks might not as well aleage for excuse of their diuisions yea euen their owne Doctrine being the very cause therof and they therfore guiltie of all these sectes that doctrine I say wherin they teach that the Scriptures are so easye and that therefore euerie one may folow his owne sese yea and vant also that it is the sence of the Spirite himselfe And whether the Churches inseparable vnitie be not so sure an argument of Truth that it is a moste iuste Motiue by Christes owne saying for the world to beleeue in Christ that no man meruaile seeing the infinite Sects that be now in Englād that there be also so many incredulous that beleeue not in Christ The 36. Demaund Kepers of Scriptures VVHether it were not our Church that notified to the worlde the Canon of the holye Bookes of the new Testament Whether it were not our Church that hath had the custodie construing both of the foresaid and of the other Bookes of the holy Bible euer since the Apostles time Or else whether before this time the Expositors thereof were Protestants And whether the Protestants had not the saide Books of vs And whether they can charge our Church all this longe while of her possesion with adding or minishinge any iote thereof Or whether they can not bee charged this short while of their vsurpation with robbing vs of many wholle Bookes thereof Bookes I say canonized in aproued Concels and of many a particulare portion more or whether euer any coulde be so charged but only Heritikes Finally whether our Church therefore be not the ōly true possessor or keper of this treasure as to whom only the Apostels cōmited it and therefore againe ours the only true Church The 37. Demaund Storehouse of all Truthe VVHETHER not onely all Canonicall Scripture as I haue saide but also all other truthes agreed vpon at any time by the Church of God and as it were laide vp for euer are not at this tym to be foūd in our church as that which was agreed vpon against the Arians that which was concluded against the Donatistes briefly that which was defined aganst all other Heretikes Aske them whether it haue not bene hither vnto and whether it be not still safelye keapt in our Church And how them selues came by the saide Truthes whether otherwise then at our
charge them and all other Heretickes with following some one man that was a new Maister and a deuiser of some new doctrine they cannot so charge vs with any one Pope at all because the Popes doctrines that we doe follow them in were not at any tyme newly deuised by them but receaued of the Apostles so kept continually of them al euen vnto this day And therfore Luther hauing nothing to charge vs with in this foresayd manner inuented this general tearme of Papists manifestly against himselfe being rightly scanned as the wise doe see The 9. Demande Conuersion of Heathen Nations VVAEREAS Christ did say that All Nations should bee conuerted from their Paganisme and be taught Io. 10 16. Mat. 28 19 Mar. 16.20 and heare his Gospell preached vnto them and whereas his Apostles beganne most gloriousely to doe the same let the Protestantes be asked who they are that did and doe accomplish the same Rom. 20 c. 18. whether they euer conuerted any Nation from Paganisme to be Christian and not rather doe only auerte Christians from the faith of Christ so as all other Heretikes haue done before them And on the other sid whether they know not how euen at this present our church filleth very many most ample Nations of the East and weast India with the Ghospel knowledg of christ And whether they do not confesse themselues that likewise all the other Nations which haue beene conuerted within these 1000. years which are very many were cōuerted by our Church Then of other nations afore cōuerted let them be vrged to name any one either cōuerted by them or not conuerted by vs but by some other Church and to some other Ghospell or some other Christ Finally let them peruse all Histories report truely whether they do not al note those nations then to haue beene conuerted vnto christ when they were conuerted vnto our Religion if any but we chanced to haue to do with the cōuersion of certain that their conuersion was neuer accompted right and good vntill they were amended by vs and namely vnited to the Sea of Rome And therefore let them be asked whether we be not or who els be christs witnesses vsque ad vltimum terrae Act. 1. euen to the furthest end of the earth The 10. Demaunde Touching Miracles VVHEREAS againe Christ confirmed his owne preaching to the Iewes by working of Miracles Io. 10.37 12.37 15.24 20 30.31 Mar. 16.17 Io. 14.12 Mar. 16.20 sending his Apostles with their Successors to conuert all other Nations promised and fortold that he would comfirme their preaching likewise with Miracles as also the Ghospell sayth that he did We aske the Protestantes whether they know not by Historyes that at the conuersion now of the Indes and afore also at the conuersion of those other nations by our church great Miracles are and euermore were wrought by our preachers And whether it follow not therupon that our Preachers are they whome Christ sent out and with whom christ worketh that their preachinge is true as christes preaching was true and his Apostles preaching true and that our Nations therfore be wel conuerted as S. Peter S. Barnabee and S. Paule doe proue therby I say by Miracles that the first Gentiles were well conuerted by them Act. 11.17 15.9.12 And besides the first conuersion of Nations whether they read not in most approued authors that afterward also almost continualy in euery Nation of our church most vndoubted Miracles be and haue bene wrought innumerable holy men and women of our church approued and honored by God with that gift as S. Bernard S. Frauncis S. Dominicke c. and very many articles pointes of our Doctrine also in particuler so confimed as the B. Sacrament the signe of the Crosse Relikes c. In so much that the auncient Christians writinge against the Iewes and Paynimes for the Godhead of Christ Aug. de ciui Dei lib. 22. ca. 5.8 de vtil cred c. 14.15 16. Re. lib. 1 cap. 14. Chry. to 5. cont Gent. de vita Babila col 885. do first shew that the miracles of Christ him selfe and his Apostls were wrought to set vp avisible Church that shold continue for euer wherof it foloweth that all Heretickes do rise in vaine And secondly they do by such Miracles of the Church as I haue saide daily to bee seene proue vnto those Infidels the Miracles of Christ and his Apostles recorded in the holy Scripture which those Infidels did denie because they did not see thē Let the Protestantes therfore be asked whether they dare ioine here in also with the Infidels against the christians and answere for them that the argument is not good because these Miracles of the Crosse and of Relickes and such like are not Miracles but illusions And then whē they shal by and by heare the Infidels say euen so also of Christes his Apostles Miracles let vs see a Gods name how wisely the Protestāts wil replie shew them a plaine difference betweene christes Miracles and our Miracles Or rather shal we not see them hereby not only confirme the Infidels in their incredulitie but also prepare weake christians to infidelitie yea them selues also readie to geue ouer therunto as in our countrey God helpe who seeth not The 11. Demaund Touching England our own Countrye AND here namely of our own Countrey a few questions whether it be not plaine by the Historie of Venerable Bede our Countreiman and other Authors that our English Nation a thousand years agoe in S. Gregories time was conuerted a lib. ca 23. by men of our catholike Romane church and conuerted to al points of our catholike Romane Faith as b lib. 1 ca. 26 Masse c lib. 3. k. 14.24 Purgatorie d lib. 1. c. 32 Saints c. And that our saide conuersiō was confirmed then e lib. 1. ca. 26. l. 2. ca. 2. l. 4. ca. 13 f. lib. 1. ca. 4 by wonderful Miracles And if this be not enough wheras the Britons or welsh men were conuerted before vs more then foure hundred years aboue fourtene hundred yeares agoe in S. Eleutherius time whether they were conuerted by S. Eleutherius to one faith and we English men by S. Gregorie to a lib. 1. c. 7.8.15.18 another faith Or whether g lib. 2 ca. 2 the greatest point wherein the Bipes of VVales differed from our Apostles were not about the Sonday vpon which Easter should be kept which the Protestantes pardy although ignorantly and falsely make to be no great matter And whether in that point also and in any other of less waight wherein they did differ the truth were not euen by the Protestantes owne confession on our Apostles side not vpon the welshe mens side Now for them to departe from this faith so longe continuing so confirmed so auncient so close to the Apostles time therfore as also because it came from
Rome sensibly Apostlicall hauing also the plaine deuine testimonie of so many Scriptures Ps 71. b. 10. 96. a 1. Isa 41. a 1.5 a 2. a 4.49 a 1.60 5. b. 9. Soph. 2. a 11. as amongst the conuersion of Nations speake expresly of Ilandes let them say what moued them what Miracles did Luther worke what Miracles did Caluine worke or any other of their new masters and false Apostles yea what other thinge caried away our contrey into this Apostasie but only sinne as all the world knoweth the same also daily so filling it with all kinde of sinne and wickednes that there must needs follow of it destruction both temporall and eternal The 12. Demaunde Visions VVhether they knowe not that both in a Bed Hist. l. 2 a 6.12 our Country and also in al other Christian nations innumerable holy Persons of our communion very many points of our doctrine haue been by God from heauen approued with most vndoubted visions them also very often sensible as for example The b Amb. serm 61. Aug. de vnit Ec. cap. 26. Paulin. ep 12. ad Seue c. Io. 1. c. 33. Act. 2. c 17 22 b 6. 2. Cor. 12. a 1. Relikes of S. Geruasius and Protasius reuealed at Milane to S. Ambrose himselfe with infinite moe of like sort And whether it be not euident c in the Scriptures that God vsed the same meanes to cōmend vnto vs Christ himselfe his Apostles and their doctrine And therefore whether it be not likewise euident that whiles they scoffe at al visions they prepare the world heereby also to scoffe at Christ himselfe Finally aske them why whē they are disposed to scoffe at visions they go to certaine obscure writinges and picke out of them that seemeth for their purpose Why are they afrayd to doe so with the foresayd visions of S. Ambrose and innumerable other such like most famous and most certaine which make no lesse against them and no lesse for vs then those others that they accoumpt to be vncertaine The 13. Demaund Honour of Crosses VVHETHER they haue not read in auncient Christian Bookes made against the Paynimes also this argumēt to proue that Christ is God because although a Galous tree and euery other instrument of execution be accompted a vile and vnhonourable thing Deut. 21 d. 23. Gal. 3. b. 13. of al a crosse was accompted most vile most accursed yet Christ hath set his holy Crosse in such high honour estimation that Emperours and Emperesses Kings Queenes and all other men wemen do not only thinke themselues happy if they can get neuer so litle a piece of it putting it most honorably in siluer and gould and so hanging it about their neckes but also make very great accompt of the only signes thereof setting it euen in their Regall crownes and dayly printing it in the most noble and most notable part of their bodyes euen in their foreheades In so much that S. Chrysostome sayth boldly thereupon Vellem audire à Pagano c. Chrys to 5. con Gent. quod Christus sit Deus col 1033 I would fayne learne of a Paynim how it is that the Signe of so cursed a death is so much desired of all men but only because great is the power of him that was crucifyed Aske the vnsigned Heretickes what they can answere here for the vnsigned Panym yea whether they be not ashamed weary of that Religion that cānot be defēded without pertaking with the Paynims against the Christians nor without answering the arguments of Christs owne Diuinity which yet they are not able to doe And let Christian people remember that Christians haue euer vsed to crosse themselues that therfore these vncrossed Protestants vnlike and repugnant to Christian men of all tymes stand post alone And then let thē further consider whither so deserte away is like to cary them if they returne not the soner to the common Christian way The 14. Demande Vertue of Crosses AGAIN whether they haue not read in such Bokes Chrys ibidem Eus de laud. Cōstant pa. 365. 266 367. Lact. l. 4 cap. 27. not onely as I haue now saide the Honour of the holy Crosse the very Signes of it but also and much more the wonderful power and miraculous vertue of the same both I say of Christs most holy Crosse and also of the very Signes thereof taken and vsed in argument to proue vnto the Painyms that Christ is God As bycause the same driueth awaie Diuells out of Idolles and out of mens bodies and healeth all diseases raiseth also many times the very dead them selues Lett them shew the Painims thē how this argumēt also may be answered if they can Or rather let thē forsake that Religion that so ioyneth with the Paynims against Christ and returne to Christian men stand with thē for Christ The 15. Demaund Honor of Saintes VVETHER they read not like wise in such bookes Chris ibidem Aug. ep 42. in Psa 44. Theod. de Cur. Grac. affect l. 8. also this argument to proue vnto the Paynimes that Christ is God Because he hath set his holy seruauntes in so highe honour that the very highest as Kinges and Emperours al others doe pray vnto thē and runn to their very Graues and Relikes and thinke them selues happie if when they be dead a chris ibi Col. 1033 they may be buried not onely by their Bodies but also nighe to their Chapelles Lett them therfore here againe helpe the Painims if they can Or rather let all true Christians looke to them selues and defie both the Painims and them The 17. Demaund Chris to 5. cont Gent. de vica S. Babyla Theod. ◠ibidem Aug. d. Ciu. l 22 cap. 9. Vertue of Saintes AGAIN whether they read not in such Books not only as I haue now saide the Honor of Saintes and of their Relikes but also and much more the miraculous power of both of Saints I say and of their very Relikes vsed in argument to proue vnto the Painimes that Christ is God As because they destroy Idolles that is to say the very Godes of Painims they yet being but the Seruants of Christ our God and because they expell Diuells also out of mens bodies and heale all diseases and raise many times the dead and also mightely and very beneficially doe amend corrupt maners of men and inflame them with deuotion towardes God Let the Protestantes here once againe help the Painims if they can Or rather let them at lenght leaue that Religion by which they haue so filled our coūtrey with Painims and Atheistes bycause as all men may see it standeth so opēly against so many most certain groundes and arguments of Christs owne Diuinity The 17. Demaund Exorcising of Diuels YET once againe whether they read not in such Bookes also this motiue propoūded according to the a Luc. 9.1 10. c. 19. 11. c. 20 Mar. 16.
Eus hist l. 4. c. 14 l. 6. c. 4.9.35 l. 8 cap. 2.17 Cyp. ep 5 34.37.57.69 by the religion of those ancient Martyrs and others then in persecution as S. Ireneus S. Cyprian S. Laurence and such others as we read of in the Ecclesiasticall Histories where they write of those persecutions and was sensibly the true Religion of Christ and yet I warrant you the learned Protestants that haue read and seene all will neuer be content to be tryed by it They know to well that it was not theirs Otherwise aske them what it meaneth that they and we be so contrary in setting out the liues of Martyrs their Foxe for example being most occupyed about their new foūd Martyrs of this our age and our Surius besides many others being altogether occupyed about the liues of old Saintes such as haue bene euen from the Churches beginning read their liues and you will not meruaile neither at Foxe on the one side nor at Surius on the other side And not only in the sundry persecutions of the heathen but aske them likewise of the sundry persecutions of diuers Heretikes as in the persecution of the Arians in Afrike a little after S. Augustines death whether the Catholiks whom those Heretiks did persecute were not of the same religion as we whome these heretikes doe persecute S. Victor who then liued with them writting that the Arrian King Hunericus permitted the Catholiks a Vict. de perse vand l. 2. fol. 12. Missas agere to say Masse in certaine Churches afterward charged them b f. 19. contra interdictum Missas egisse to haue sayd Masse in other Churches that they were forbidden writing also that afore him the Arian King Gensericus did forbid them all churches Neque c Lib. 1. fol. 3. vsquam orandi aut immolandi concedebatur locus Neither any place was permitted vs to pray or to Sacrifice And that thereupon caeperunt Sacerdotes qualiter poterant vbi poterant ablatis Ecclesijs Diuina Misteria celebrare The Priestes began when their Churches were taken from them to celebrate the Diuine Misteryes as they might and where they could so as they are fayne to doe now also in England Saint Augustine himselfe being to those Priests d fol. 2. fellow both in persecution and also in Religion The 21. Demaunde Churches VVHether they will be content to be tryed by the Relihion of those first christiā churches or temples and chappels a Eus hist l. 7. c. 24. l. 8. c. that in the foresayd persecutions were by the pagane Emperours ouerthrown Or b Eus l. 8. c. 28 by those churches that were afterward by the Emperours specially when they were conuerted built vp againe 9. c. 8.9 l. 10. c. 2.3.4 de vit Cōst l. 1. c. 40. l. 3. cap. 41.58 Bed hist l. 5. c. 12.18 c Bed l. 3. cap. 2. Chrys to 5. con gēquod Christus sit Deus col 1036 Or by the Churches that are now ouer al Christendome to be seene being the most liuely and most principall Monumentes of Christianitie And whereas the Churches now beare plaine witnesse to our Religion both in their fashion in their furniture as that they be builded at length into the East and the chiefest also in the forme of a Crosse furnished with Chauncells Altares Crosses and other Images with holy Relikes with Chalices and other holy vessells and with Holy Vestimentes c. Aske the Protestants what they reade of the aunciēt first Churches whether they also were not so builded and so furnished yea whether very many of these that are now to be seene are not of the very first and most auncient Or when the Churches beganne to be chaunged and altered from the first to a cleane contrary forme furniture As for example in our owne Countrey whether of late yeares they were changed from c Bed l. 2. c. 3.14.16 l. 3. c. 2.7 those of our first conuersiō Or whether those of our first conuersiō did differ from d Bed l. 1. c. 6.8.26 l. 2. cap. 5. the former of the Britons or welshemen Or whether of both Englishe I say and Britannes there are not yet some to be seene and they and others as well in that Iland as in all the reste of Christendome so like and vniforme that neither the Heretikes can pointe out so much as one that was of their Religion the Catholickes may see g Aug. ep 118. de bap l. 4. c. 24 by theire vniformitie I say that they haue bene and be al of the Apostles Religion and tradition And therefore put the Heretickes in mind of their hainous Sacrilege partely in pulling downe so many of the Churches partely in vsurping the reste and the Liuinges of al being the possessiōs of Christ and Dowries of his onely Catholike Church and no one of them all builded by Protestantes nor for Protestants nor for their wemen and children The 22. Demaund Seruice VVHETHER they wil be tried by the praiers that were saide or Seruice that was done in the foresaid Churches either before they were throwē downe by the Tirantes or after they wer reedified by the Christiā Emperours or any time since then Let them say what they reade therof likewisē in all Antiquitie whether they reade not expresly that alwaies there was in thē a Cyp. ep 69. Eus de vita Cōstant l. 4. c. 56.71 Aug. de cura pro mort in fine Praying for the dead and Praying vnto Saintes and in administration of the Sacramēt of Baptisme those very b August con Iul. l. 6. c. 8. l. 2. de nup. c. 17 18.19 Ceremonies which we now vse which they haue laide awaie as Exorcisme Exufflatiō Inunction Consecration of the Fonte with crossinge of the water c And whether they read at any time whē Masse did first come into the Churches ye whether they find not expresly as alwayes Altares chalices and Priestes so alwaies Masse and Sacrifice c Cyp. ep 66. August Confess l. 9. c. 12 14. euen for the dead also which they most abhorre with the wholle substance of the most holy Canon which they haue presumed to lay away not considering that euidentlye it came of the Apostles no Heretike being able to bring forth any other origen of any peice of the saide substance thereof Finally whether in all the Masse or other Seruice of our Church the which Catholickes most worthily doe admire they finde any piece although it were afterward brought in contrarie to the olde faith therfore what cause they haue to find fault with that more then with Gloria Patri Te Deum Quicumque vult Gloria in excelsis and very many more such afterward I say brought in and yet retained now by themselues also being all nothing els but godly exercises daily preachinges of the Faith that the Apostles taught Heretikes impugned the Church hath alwaies kept The 23. Demaund Apes WHETHER they haue in
Succession And whether our church cannot shew in plaine authenticall writing the continuall Succession of her Bishopes and Pastors with their flockes euer since the Apostles time Or whether the Protestants Church can doe the like Yea whether they can in our Countrey referre them selues any further then to the letters patents of the Prince And whether this haue not bene e Opt. l. 2. f. 15. Hier. in Mic. 1. Aug. in Psa con par Do. nat alwaies vsed as a marke most certaine to knowe the true Church from Schismatikes and Heretikes euen in the f 3. Reg. 12. g. 31. Olde Testament also The 44. Demaund Apostolike Church VHHETHER in the Creede that we in our Masse and they in their Communion do vse this word Apostolicall were or could be put in as a plaine marke to know the Church which we must beleeue but only as it directeth vs to the Church of Rome seeing by experience that all other Apostolicall Churches Trent de praes Har. are now fayled Or whether the Roman Church be not Apostolicall as being the Sea of the two most glorious chiefe Apostles Iren. l. 3. c. 3. Opt l. 2. Aug ep 165. S. Peter and S. Paul Or whether in tyme of schisme and heresy the Fathers in their tymes hauing many Seas Apostolike did not chiefly looke themselues and direct others to the Apostolike Sea of Rome shewing therby that the Truth was theirs because the Bishop of Rome that came of the Apostles by lineall succession was theirs And therfore whether we haue not iust cause to followe their example specially seeing that Sea still hold on and continue as the Fathers said it should to the number now of two hundred and thirtie Bishopes Aug. in ps cont part Don. wheras to those Fathers time there were not fourtie The 45. Demaund Changinge VVHETHER we haue not yet againe iuste cause to keepe vs with the Churche of Rome seeing that the Romanes neuer changed their Faith which a Act. 2. g. 31. Rom. 10 c. 12. 6. 17. 16. c. 19. they receiued of S. Peter S. Paul Which is so plaine that I appeale to the Protestants them selues whether the Romans did not for example Pray for the dead euen then when those Fathers aforesaid did auouch that they were vnchāged yea so wondēring euen thē also at Aerius for denying the same that togeather with all other Churches they condemned him as an Heretike for going about to change that which alwaies vnitll then they had keapte vnchanged as they doe keepe it stil both that all the rest and that by the Protestantes owne confession these thousād or twelue hūdred years Whereby no wise man can doubt but that they remaine also the rest vp to the Apostles time also without change Yea to consider no more but that since Luthers time the Popes haue not changed one iote and that the Heretickes on the other side haue not since then lefte nor do not leaue changing euery daye may to any man of indifferent iudgement seeme a demonstration that the Popes neuer at all did chang And as for one or two amongst all the Popes whom they charge with erring first we deny it for it is most false as the learned Catholikes haue well declared Secondly we say supposing some Popes had erred yet neuer did any Pope goe about to chang the Romans faith with his error Thirdely we say and let the wise consider it well that were it so those Popes did erre also goe aboute to infect the Romans with those errors yet is it not those errors wherewith the Protestantes do now charge the Pope the Romanes And therefore whē they blasphemously burden S. Liberius with Arrianisme or any other with the like they might better holde their peace then so to lie yet their lye nothing at all vnto the purpose The 46. Demaund Our Auncestors saued THEN whether al this while that they cōfesse our church to haue bene at least 12 hundred yeeres they will say that all our and their fathers mothers grād fathers and grandmothers and other Anncestors Kinsefolke Countreimen and all others that haue gonne so long for Christian men Iustin. l. 4. cap. 2 in fine c are all dāned in Hell yea whether Caluine him selfe do not confesse the contrarie that our Church I say serued well the turne all this while to saue men from Hell and to bringe men to Heauen Aske them then why it cannot serue still that turne as wel Or if they say that ignorāce afore did excuse now because of their preaching it cannot aske them why they do confesse that S. Augustine and such like are of all most surely saued who yet had not this ignorance but knew right well their new doctrine as in Aerius Iouinianus Vigilantius c and condēned it for most wicked Heresie And therefore whether it be not wisdome for al men to hold thē still in our chuch or to returne againe vnto it The 47. Demaund Communion of Saintes ALSO whether their church as it neuer was in the world before now so now at theire first appearing haue not cōmitted many most foule absurdities in pinching vp it selfe so narowly into the streightes of one small Countrey that in it one Christian man to another euen in spirituall affaires is a stranger that in it an Ecclesiasticall and Apostolicall power erected by Christ is deemed a foreiner that in it any Generall Councell that euer was or euer can be gathered of the Bishops of other Nations of al christēdom yea or of their owne confederats can take beare or haue no whit of authoritie that in it Epistles directed frō beyond the Sea by S. Paule himselfe if he were aliue such as his Epistles to the Romanes Corinthians c could beare no sway that in it all the Apostles togither writing frō their Synode of Hierusalem as they did to the Antiochians Act. 15. might beare no stroake that in it Christ himselfe without the King and the Parliaments consent might not dispose of his own churches but hold his peace and leaue his medling like a Foreiner as he was vnlesse he would say that he were the naturall King of Englande and displace the lawefull heires of the Kinges afore time because by their saying that headship cannot be separated from the kingshipe being as they say a real naturall and essential parte therof and therfore they shoulde not write the King of Englande Head of the Church of England no not vnder Christ vnlesse they wold write him also King of England vnder Christ. Of many other their absurdities Conf. l. 9 c. 12.24 as that S. Augustine there with our Priestes doeing his request should forfeite an hundred Markes for saying Masse for his Mothers soule c. I here say nothing The 33. Demaund VVhere Christ worketh VVHETHER it be not our Church onely which now and euer is so blessed of God and so embrued with Christes Blood that she hath grace in
question yea or no 16. Thinges vnwritten ordered If no Traditions ought to be receiued shew me where those thinges are written which S. Paul promised to set in order at his comming to the Corinthians 1. Cor. 11. for if all thinges were contayned in the written word which the Corinthians had receiued what needed S. Paul to promise to putt the rest in order at his cominge chiefly cōcerning our Lords supper 16. Church not inuisible Seeing Christ saith If thy brother will not heare thee tell it vnto the Church and if he will not heare the Church let him be to thee as a heathen publican and therfore apoints his Church to be iudge in controuersies concerning doctrine and maners how shal a man finde the church if it be inuisible And why affirme yee it so to haue bene seeing no recourse can be had to an inuisible iudge 17. Their Church how long How long esteeme you your Church to haue beene inuisible And during the tyme of the inuisibility therof if ther were any of your Ministers that preached the word of God administred the Sacraments in the realm of Scotland Also who they were that during that time opposed themselues to al heresies and confuted them seeing yee acknowledge with vs sundrie heresies to haue beene euen almost in all ages 18. The Sinagogue visible Seeing Christ hath reiected the Sinagogue of the Iewes erected and builded to himselfe a Church of the Gentills Mat. 28 which he hath promised to asist and maintaine to the end of the world how it is possible that the church of Christ against his said promise hath beene so many yeares inuisible as yee suppose Seeing that the aforsayd Synagogue notwithstanding the reiection thereof hath euer beene visible and is yet at this present in diuers countreyes so that by this your false doctrine yee giue vnto it euen after the reiection of it greater prerogatiue then yee vouchsafe to giue to the church of Christ 19. Tyme of decaying Seeing yee confes with your master Caluin l. 4. Inst. c. 2. n. 3. the Romane Church somtime to haue bene the true Church in what time age suppose yee that it decayed so that the adherents thereof by reasō of idolatrie could not be saued 20 Sucession of theirs Seeing God hath giuen some Apostles some Prophets Ephes 4. Euangelists and Pastors for the gathering to gether of the Saints and for the edification of the body of Christ which is his Church to the end of the world I require you if you be the members of the said body of Christ to shew your Doctors and Pastors who haue succeeded one another since the Apostles with continuance of any Vniforme doctrine as the Catholiques haue already done 21 Condemning herefies Why rayle yee so much against the seate of Rome seeing by that seate all heretiques haue bene conuicted and condemned hier ep 17. ad Dama s Aug. cont Pelag an euident token that it is of God And if yee haue the true Curch as yee alleadge shew that euer any of yours haue opposed your selues against any heresie before our dayes 22 Imitation of heretiques Why follow yee the footsteps of the Donatists who called the chaire of Rome Aug. cōt lit Petil. l. 2. c. 51. the chaire of pistilence Or how could it haue bene possible that the seat of Rome could haue withstood and prenailed against all kindes of perpersecutions since the begining and against so many infidels and heretiques if it had bene the chaire of pestilence as yee say The 23. Sacraments seales If the Sacraments be only outward tokens and seales as yee teache what prerogatiue giue yee to the Sacraments of the gospell Cal. l 4. Inst c. 10.1 aboue the Sacraments of the old law 24. Faith assures not grace Seeing yee teach that faith assureth you of grace receiued before the reception of the Sacraments how can you say but that they be altogether vnprofitable and can giue no fur ther confirmation For as much as where assurance of grace is already no confirmation is required 25. Value of Sacraments Why affirme yee the Sacraments to be of no valor except they be receiued by faith and not withstāding baptise infants who can receiue nothing by faith 26. Necessitie of Baptisme Why abuse yee the people teaching that infants without baptisme obtaine remission of their sinnes by the faith of their parēts sith the faith of the parents cannot hinder them to be borne in originall sinne Rō 3.5 Ephes 2. and to be the sonnes of wrath as S. Paul affirmeth 27. Preachatiue Baptisme Seeing Baptisme Cal. l. 4. Inst ca. 14. n. 4. as yee teache can not consist without preaching and for as much as no preaching was made at the time yee were baptised by the Catholiques what assurance haue yee that yee ar yet baptised Or what doth preaching auaile to alitle infant who wants the vse of vnderstanding 28. Baptisme of Infidels infants Why affirme yee with your master Caluin In Antid cō Trid. that the Sacrament of Baptisme ought only to be ministred to them who haue already obtained the remission of their sinnes Seeing therof it followes most euidently that infants begotten of Infidel parents should not at all be baptised because they cannot receiue remission of their sinnes by the faith of their parents when they are Infidels or vnfaithfull 29. Ceremonies of Baptisme Why reiect yee the ceremonies of Baptisme which alwayes a Dionis Ar. c. 2. c. Hier. haue bene vsed in the church of God since the dayes of the Apostles name what age soeuer you please Or how can yee defend your maister Caluin b l. 4. Inst c. 15 n. 19. who is not ashamed to affirme that in the primitiue church the right lawfull administration of Baptisme was already corrupted 30. Confirmation Why deny yee the Sacrament of Confirmation seing it is so clearly expressed in the Acts of the Apostles Act 1.19 who by the imposition of handes gaue the holy Ghost and also confirmed by all ancient writers yea and as yet retayned by the English Protestants 31. Reall presence If the body of our Lord Iesus Christ be not really in the B. Sacramēt l. 4. Inst. c. 17. n. 10. 14 why affirme yee with your master Caluin that in this Sacrament by the spirit of God those thinges are conioyned together which are seperat to wit the body of Christ which is in heauen with vs who are beneath in earth 32. Receiuing by faith Why affirme yee Cal. l. 4. Inst c. 17. n. 10. that we receiue the body of Christ really by faith if it be not really present in the Sacrament seing our faith cannot make that thinge to be which is not If therfore his body be not there really we cannot beleeue that we receiue it really except we flatly deceiue our selues 33. lifting vp to heauen In what scripture reade yee that which yee profes with your master Caluin