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sermon_n and_o say_v audiamus_fw-la itaque_fw-la dicentem_fw-la but_o about_o three_o hundred_o and_o thirty_o year_n before_o when_o he_o johanne_n he_o scripsit_fw-la evangelium_fw-la paulò_fw-la ante_fw-la mortem_fw-la moritur_fw-la anno_fw-la christi_fw-la 101._o euseb._n in_o chronico_fw-la &_o hieronymus_n the_o script_n illustr_n in_o johanne_n write_v his_o gospel_n three_o what_o be_v it_o he_o speak_v not_o any_o thing_n de_fw-fr novo_fw-la but_o what_o he_o have_v speak_v and_o write_v so_o long_o before_o in_o the_o 1_o chap._n and_o 1._o verse_n of_o his_o gospel_n for_o cyril_n have_v say_v audiamus_fw-la itaque_fw-la johannem_fw-la dicentem_fw-la he_o immediate_o add_v what_o john_n say_v and_o he_o will_v have_v they_o to_o hear_v in_o principio_fw-la erat_fw-la verbum_fw-la &_o verbum_fw-la erat_fw-la apud_fw-la deum_fw-la &_o deus_fw-la erat_fw-la verbum_fw-la whence_o i_o further_o observe_v 6._o that_o this_o passage_n of_o cyril_n which_o be_v pretend_v to_o be_v 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place_n cite_v and_o yet_o they_o tell_v we_o too_o as_o above_o that_o neither_o in_o the_o cross_n or_o any_o image_n vis_fw-fr ulla_fw-la inest_fw-la sanctitatis_fw-la aut_fw-la justitiae_fw-la efficiendae_fw-la aut_fw-la virtus_fw-la ulla_fw-la propter_fw-la quam_fw-la sint_fw-la colendae_fw-la if_o this_o be_v true_a that_o there_o be_v no_o power_n or_o virtue_n in_o the_o cross_n to_o hear_v or_o help_v we_o than_o their_o worship_n of_o it_o with_o latria_n worship_n due_a to_o god_n himself_o as_o â—iâ—â—â—â—r_fw-fr as_o council_n trident_n self_n 13._o de_fw-fr eucharistia_n cap._n 5._o latriae_fw-la cultus_fw-la qui_fw-la vero_fw-la dio_fw-mi â—iâ—â—â—â—r_fw-fr they_o confess_v be_v evident_a and_o impious_a idolatry_n for_o what_o can_v be_v more_o stupid_o idololatrical_a than_o to_o give_v divine_a worship_n due_a only_a to_o a_o infinite_a power_n and_o excellency_n to_o a_o wooden_a and_o sometime_o a_o rot_a cross_n in_o qua_fw-la by_o their_o own_o confession_n vis_fw-la nulla_fw-la inest_fw-la sanctitatis_fw-la efficiendae_fw-la nec_fw-la virtus_fw-la ulla_n propter_fw-la quam_fw-la est_fw-la colenda_fw-la in_o short_a be_v i_o not_o certain_o assure_v by_o the_o sacred_a scripture_n that_o all_o sin_n be_v folly_n and_o idolatry_n spiritual_a idol_n spiritual_a jerem._n 50._o 38._o they_o be_v mad_a 〈◊〉_d their_o idol_n madness_n i_o can_v scarce_o believe_v that_o man_n in_o their_o wit_n shall_v profess_v and_o publish_v such_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d such_o inconsistent_a position_n and_o as_o my_o countryman_n scotus_n call_v they_o incompossibility_n sed_fw-la è_fw-la diverticulo_fw-la in_o viam_fw-la but_o let_v it_o be_v grant_v that_o cyril_n do_v not_o only_o de_fw-la facto_fw-la dub._n dub._n invocate_v saint_n john_n but_o de_fw-la judicio_fw-la too_o that_o he_o serious_o judge_v it_o lawful_a and_o profitable_a so_o to_o do_v that_o he_o do_v not_o only_a practice_n as_o david_n commit_v adultery_n and_o peter_n deny_v 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silver_n or_o wood_n the_o picture_n of_o it_o or_o the_o table_n in_o which_o it_o be_v picture_v all_o be_v one_o so_o it_o be_v to_o be_v bless_v benedic_n domine_fw-la jesus_n christ_n hanc_fw-la crucem_fw-la tuam_fw-la per_fw-la quam_fw-la eripuisti_fw-la mundum_fw-la à _fw-la potestate_fw-la daemonum_n etc._n etc._n 1._o the_o gospel_n express_o tell_v we_o and_o all_o good_a christian_n know_v that_o it_o be_v our_o bless_a saviour_n blood_n and_o passion_n which_o deliver_v we_o à _fw-la potestate_fw-la daemonum_n not_o two_o despicable_a wooden_a stick_n lay_v across_o 2._o but_o if_o it_o have_v be_v the_o cross_n by_o which_o he_o free_v we_o à _fw-la potestate_fw-la daemonum_n yet_o certain_o it_o be_v that_o cross_n on_o which_o he_o actual_o suffer_v an._n tiber._n 19_o and_o not_o any_o cross_n w_o ch_n have_v no_o be_v till_o 1600._o year_n after_o his_o passion_n and_o the_o redemption_n of_o the_o world_n and_o yet_o it_o be_v here_o benedictio_fw-la novae_n crucis_fw-la a_o carpenter_n make_v a_o wooden_a cross_n to_o day_n to_o morrow_n the_o bishop_n consecrate_v and_o bless_v it_o in_o this_o solemn_a and_o impious_a form_n benedic_n hanc_fw-la crucem_fw-la tuam_fw-la this_o new_a cross_n which_o be_v never_o he_o any_o more_o than_o they_o per_fw-la quam_fw-la eripuisti_fw-la mundum_fw-la etc._n etc._n 2._o after_o this_o follow_v another_o prayer_n in_o the_o same_o office_n and_o the_o same_o page_n of_o that_o pontifical_a so_o blasphemous_o impious_a that_o it_o be_v a_o wonder_n the_o contriver_n be_v not_o and_o the_o user_n of_o that_o prayer_n be_v not_o afraid_a of_o a_o thunderbolt_n or_o fire_n and_o brimstone_n to_o consume_v they_o in_o the_o practice_n of_o such_o prodigious_a impiety_n the_o prayer_n horresco_fw-la referens_fw-la be_v this_o etc._n this_o and_o that_o you_o may_v see_v the_o stupidity_n and_o madness_n of_o popish_a idolatry_n in_o the_o ms._n missale_n secundum_fw-la usum_fw-la abbatum_fw-la eveshamensis_fw-la monasterii_fw-la in_o my_o possession_n there_o be_v benedictio_fw-la sepulchri_fw-la wherein_o the_o grave_n be_v bless_v with_o these_o very_a word_n ut_fw-la sit_fw-la remedium_fw-la salutare_fw-la humano_fw-la generi_fw-la redemptio_fw-la animae_fw-la etc._n etc._n rogamus_fw-la te_fw-la d._n sancte_fw-la paten_n omnipotens_fw-la ut_fw-la digneris_fw-la benedicere_fw-la hoc_fw-la signum_fw-la crucis_fw-la tuus_fw-la in_o the_o old_a ordo_fw-la romanus_n it_o be_v crucis_fw-la be_v vid._n ordinem_fw-la romanum_fw-la veterem_fw-la apud_fw-la georgium_n ferrarium_fw-la de_fw-la catholicae_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la divinis_fw-la officiis_n etc._n etc._n pag._n 86._o col._n 2._o b._n edit_n romae_fw-la 1591._o where_o the_o prayer_n be_v verbatim_o the_o same_o only_a lignum_fw-la crucis_fw-la there_o be_v here_o change_v into_o signum_fw-la crucis_fw-la hoc_fw-la lignum_fw-la crucis_fw-la tuus_fw-la ut_fw-la sit_fw-la remedium_fw-la salutare_fw-la generi_fw-la 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both_o which_o be_v alike_o stupid_o irrational_a and_o beyond_o all_o dispute_n high_o idololatrical_a and_o lest_o you_o shall_v think_v that_o this_o impious_a prayer_n or_o benediction_n of_o the_o cross_n be_v only_o in_o the_o old_a ordo_fw-la romanus_n and_o pontifical_a or_o that_o now_o they_o have_v leave_v it_o out_o as_o not_o approve_v such_o a_o stupid_a and_o impious_a piece_n of_o impiety_n you_o may_v find_v it_o in_o the_o same_o word_n and_o benediction_n both_o in_o the_o 281._o the_o rituale_fw-la roman_n antverp_n 1652._o pag._n 280_o 281._o rituale_fw-la romanum_fw-la at_o antwerp_n 1652._o and_o the_o 394._o the_o rituale_fw-la parisiense_n paris_n 1654._o pag._n 394._o rituale_fw-la parisiense_n print_v at_o paris_n 1654._o and_o that_o you_o may_v see_v the_o strange_a folly_n and_o contradiction_n of_o error_n and_o superstition_n for_o error_n be_v inconsistent_a both_o with_o themselves_o and_o truth_n the_o church_n of_o rome_n tell_v we_o that_o the_o 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and_o yet_o they_o say_v nihil_fw-la ab_fw-la iis_fw-la est_fw-la petendum_fw-la 2._o here_o they_o say_v the_o cross_n be_v spes_fw-la unica_fw-la and_o yet_o they_o tell_v we_o nulla_fw-la fiducia_fw-la in_o iis_fw-la est_fw-la figenda_fw-la 3._o here_o their_o church_n say_v the_o cross_n auget_fw-la piis_fw-la justitiam_fw-la reisque_fw-la donat_fw-la veniam_fw-la that_o it_o be_v remedium_fw-la salutare_fw-la generi_fw-la humano_fw-la soliditas_fw-la fidei_fw-la redemptio_fw-la animarum_fw-la etc._n etc._n for_o so_o their_o ritual_a and_o pontifical_a have_v it_o in_o the_o
if_o any_o think_v otherwise_o let_v he_o show_v that_o promise_n and_o for_o my_o part_n cedat_fw-la iülus_fw-la agris_fw-la let_v he_o take_v the_o cause_n 3._o there_o be_v no_o example_n or_o any_o record_n of_o any_o patriarch_n prophet_n or_o pious_a person_n who_o direct_v their_o prayer_n to_o any_o saint_n from_o the_o foundation_n of_o the_o world_n till_o our_o saviour_n birth_n nor_o of_o any_o apostle_n or_o good_a christian_n for_o 300._o year_n after_o it_o and_o here_o 1._o for_o the_o time_n before_o our_o saviour_n birth_n i_o confess_v 29._o confess_v bellarmin_n de_fw-fr beatit_fw-fr sanctorum_fw-la lib._n 1._o cap._n 29._o bellarmine_n bring_v some_o place_n most_o impertinent_o out_o of_o the_o old_a testament_n to_o prove_v invocation_n of_o saint_n but_o he_o confute_v and_o evident_o contradict_v himself_o in_o the_o same_o 32._o same_o bellarmin_n ibid_fw-la cap._n 19_o §._o item_n exod._n 32._o chapter_n and_o express_o say_v that_o the_o saint_n in_o the_o 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of_o time_n the_o dead_a be_v in_o such_o a_o condition_n extra_fw-la coelum_fw-la that_o they_o can_v not_o hear_v the_o prayer_n of_o the_o live_n i_o know_v that_o the_o trent-fathers_n say_v invocation_n of_o saint_n be_v principio_fw-la be_v council_n trident_n sess._n 25._o the_o invocat_n sanctorum_fw-la in_fw-la principio_fw-la juxta_fw-la usum_fw-la catholicae_fw-la &_o apostolicae_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la primaevis_fw-la christianae_n religionis_fw-la temporibus_fw-la receptum_fw-la and_o the_o trent_n catechism_n tell_v we_o that_o the_o chief_a argument_n they_o have_v to_o establish_v invocation_n of_o saint_n be_v custom_n continue_v since_o the_o apostle_n time_n the_o word_n these_o 12._o these_o catechis_n roman_n ubi_fw-la supra_fw-la part_n 3._o cap_n 2._o §._o 12._o et_fw-la quod_fw-la caput_fw-la est_fw-la consuetudo_fw-la accedat_fw-la ab_fw-la apostolis_n accepta_fw-la &_o in_o ecclesiâ_fw-la perpetuò_fw-la retenta_fw-la etc._n etc._n this_o they_o say_v invocatio_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la est_fw-la consuetudo_fw-la ab_fw-la apostolis_n accepta_fw-la etc._n etc._n but_o when_o they_o come_v to_o prove_v this_o they_o have_v not_o one_o author_n to_o witness_v for_o they_o in_o the_o first_o three_o hundred_o year_n the_o time_n of_o which_o we_o speak_v the_o compiler_n of_o the_o roman_a citatis_fw-la roman_a locis_fw-la supra_fw-la citatis_fw-la catechism_n and_o citatis_fw-la and_o locis_fw-la supra_fw-la citatis_fw-la bellarmine_n and_o arian_n and_o lindanus_n in_o panoplia_fw-la lib._n 3._o cap_n 26._o he_o cite_v i_o confess_v there_o origenes_n in_o jobum_fw-la a_o spurious_a work_n not_o by_o origen_n but_o a_o arian_n lindanus_n ruraemundensis_fw-la episcopus_fw-la and_o so_o other_o data_fw-la opera_fw-la and_o diligent_o rake_v up_o all_o the_o testimony_n they_o can_v out_o of_o council_n and_o father_n and_o yet_o bring_v not_o one_o father_n there_o be_v no_o pretence_n for_o council_n who_o write_v within_o the_o three_o hundred_o year_n next_o after_o our_o bless_a saviour_n save_v dionyfius_n areopagita_n and_o irenaeus_n now_o for_o areopagita_n he_o be_v a_o spurious_a author_n of_o no_o authority_n as_o to_o the_o particular_a we_o now_o speak_v of_o as_o be_v evident_o demonstrate_v by_o 10._o by_o vid._n cocum_n in_o censura_fw-la patrum_fw-la in_o d._n areopagita_n rivetus_n in_o critica_fw-la sacra_fw-la lib._n 7._o cap._n 9_o 10._o our_o author_n and_o confess_v by_o cajetan_n erasmus_n valla_n gul._n grocinus_n and_o other_o 2._o for_o irenaeus_n he_o i_o confess_v to_o be_v testis_fw-la idoneus_fw-la within_o the_o time_n mention_v for_o he_o flourish_v about_o the_o year_n of_o our_o lord_n 170._o but_o for_o the_o place_n in_o irenaeus_n which_o they_o cite_v to_o prove_v invocation_n of_o saint_n it_o be_v so_o ridiculous_o impertinent_a that_o i_o wonder_v any_o know_a person_n shall_v produce_v it_o and_o yet_o the_o wonder_n be_v the_o less_o when_o i_o consider_v that_o as_o a_o drown_a man_n will_v lay_v hold_n on_o any_o twig_n how_o insignificant_a soever_o to_o save_v or_o help_v he_o so_o be_v resolve_v to_o maintain_v a_o desperate_a and_o die_a cause_n they_o must_v use_v bad_a medium_n who_o have_v no_o better_o the_o place_n in_o irenaeus_n be_v this_o 238._o this_o irenaeus_n adversus_fw-la haereses_fw-la l._n 5._o ca._n 19_o pag._n 464._o edit_fw-la fen-ardentii_a et_fw-fr cap._n 16._o pag._n 341._o edit_fw-la gallasii_fw-la et_fw-la in_o editione_n irenaei_n per_fw-la erasmum_fw-la pag._n 238._o sicut_fw-la eva_n seducta_fw-la est_fw-la ut_fw-la effugeret_fw-la deum_fw-la sic_fw-la maria_fw-la suasa_fw-la est_fw-la obedire_fw-la deo_fw-la ut_fw-la virgin_n evae_n virgo_fw-la maria_fw-la fieret_fw-la advocata_fw-la this_o be_v the_o place_n in_o irenaeus_n so_o much_o and_o so_o impertinent_o magnify_v here_o i_o observe_v 1._o that_o feuardentius_a that_o all_o may_v take_v notice_n of_o it_o put_v this_o note_n in_o the_o margin_n over_o against_o it_o beata_fw-la virgo_fw-la maria_fw-la evae_n &_o aliorum_fw-la peccantium_fw-la advocata_fw-la est_fw-la but_o that_o i_o may_v and_o just_o enough_o use_v that_o old_a say_n maledicta_fw-la sit_fw-la glossa_fw-la quae_fw-la corrumpit_fw-la textum_fw-la have_v he_o say_v only_o maria_n evae_n advocata_fw-la est_fw-la the_o text_n of_o irenaeus_n will_v have_v be_v some_o ground_n for_o it_o but_o when_o he_o put_v in_o et_fw-la aliorum_fw-la peccantium_fw-la advocata_fw-la of_o which_o nothing_o in_o irenaeus_n this_o must_v be_v reckon_v among_o the_o piae_fw-la fraud_n of_o rome_n by_o which_o they_o usual_o and_o impious_o cozen_v inconsiderate_a person_n into_o their_o superstition_n 2._o in_o his_o note_n on_o the_o place_n he_o begin_v thus_o 3._o thus_o feuardentius_a in_o irenaeum_n ibid._n pag._n 464._o num_fw-la 3._o hinc_fw-la evidentissimum_fw-la est_fw-la priscos_fw-la patres_fw-la &_o martyr_n proximè_fw-la ab_fw-la ipsis_fw-la apostolorum_fw-la temporibus_fw-la deiparam_fw-la virginem_fw-la invocasse_fw-la caeterisque_fw-la ut_fw-la implorarent_fw-la authores_fw-la fuisse_fw-la sure_o i_o be_o there_o be_v nothing_o in_o irenaeus_n notwithstanding_o his_o hinc_fw-la evidentissimum_fw-la est_fw-la to_o prove_v any_o one_o thing_n in_o this_o confident_a assertion_n and_o yet_o i_o shall_v not_o call_v he_o impudent_a but_o this_o i_o may_v modest_o and_o true_o say_v that_o certain_o a_o little_a thing_n will_v not_o make_v he_o blush_v 3._o as_o feuardentius_a have_v a_o long_a note_n and_o discourse_n to_o prove_v how_o much_o that_o passage_n make_v for_o popery_n and_o invocation_n of_o saint_n so_o 399._o so_o gallasius_n in_o cap._n 16._o lib._n 5._o irenaei_n §._o 3._o pag._n 399._o gallasius_n have_v as_o long_o indeed_o thrice_o as_o long_o a_o discourse_n to_o clear_v the_o text_n and_o irenaeus_n from_o the_o suspicion_n of_o it_o or_o in_o case_n he_o mean_v what_o rome_n will_v have_v to_o confute_v he_o now_o that_o i_o may_v free_o say_v what_o i_o believe_v be_v true_a in_o this_o particular_a they_o be_v both_o beside_o the_o book_n nor_o have_v feuardentius_a any_o just_a ground_n to_o brag_v and_o magnify_v nor_o gallasius_n to_o be_v afraid_a of_o this_o passage_n in_o irenaeus_n for_o indeed_o it_o make_v nothing_o for_o they_o nor_o against_o we_o that_o this_o may_v appear_v i_o say_v 1._o admit_v which_o be_v not_o true_a that_o irenaeus_n in_o this_o passage_n do_v real_o approve_v invocation_n of_o saint_n and_o affirm_v that_o the_o virgin_n mary_n be_v their_o advocate_n he_o affirm_v too_o that_o our_o saviour_n live_v till_o he_o be_v 40._o be_v irenaeus_n lib._n 2._o cap._n 39_o 40._o about_o fifty_o year_n old_a and_o yet_o it_o be_v certain_a and_o on_o all_o side_n confess_v that_o he_o be_v crucified_a anno_fw-la aetatis_fw-la 34_o currente_n he_o affirm_v also_o the_o millenary_a libri_fw-la millenary_a irenaeus_n lib._n 5._o cap._n 32_o etc._n etc._n confess_v by_o feuardentius_a and_o large_o explain_v pag._n 494._o &_o sequentibus_fw-la usque_fw-la ad_fw-la finem_fw-la libri_fw-la opinion_n to_o be_v true_a that_o the_o saint_n shall_v reign_v one_o thousand_o year_n in_o temporal_a felicity_n before_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n and_o yet_o this_o go_v for_o heresy_n at_o rome_n and_o have_v do_v so_o