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resolution_n their_o orthodoxal_a faith_n against_o their_o enemy_n the_o arian_n three_o the_o falsehood_n of_o the_o former_a assertion_n be_v evict_v from_o that_o that_o many_o father_n and_o doctor_n live_v in_o the_o very_a age_n of_o aâ—hanasius_n and_o libertus_fw-la and_o diverse_a of_o they_o even_o in_o the_o day_n of_o athanasius_n and_o well_o know_v to_o he_o do_v refute_v and_o contradict_v ex_fw-la professo_fw-la the_o arian_n heresy_n in_o their_o learned_a write_n as_o for_o example_n eunomium_fw-la basil_n theolog_fw-la gregory_n nazianzen_n trinitate_fw-la gregory_n nyssene_n catecheses_n cyrill_n of_o jerusalem_n trinitate_fw-la hilarius_n timot._n ambrose_n 69._o epiphanius_n and_o some_o other_o now_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o premise_n can_v it_o be_v but_o dream_v that_o there_o shall_v be_v no_o professor_n of_o the_o divinity_n of_o christ_n in_o those_o day_n but_o only_o athanasius_n or_o liberius_n pag._n 25._o the_o pamphleter_n leave_v example_n &_o 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the_o 8._o passion_n of_o this_o life_n be_v not_o condign_a to_o the_o glory_n to_o come_v that_o shall_v be_v reveal_v unto_o us._n the_o three_o proposition_n that_o work_n do_v merit_n it_o be_v according_a to_o the_o most_o probable_a opinion_n necessary_o require_v that_o they_o chief_o precede_v from_o actual_o or_o virtual_o charity_n &_o love_n towards_o god_n that_o be_v that_o they_o be_v undertake_v chief_o and_o primative_o for_o the_o honour_n and_o love_n we_o bear_v to_o god_n from_o whence_o it_o follow_v that_o no_o work_n which_o be_v not_o season_v with_o this_o condition_n of_o charity_n in_o god_n but_o have_v to_o themselves_o only_o peculiar_a and_o less_o principal_a end_n c_o 〈…〉_z merit_n the_o four_o and_o last_o proposition_n which_o be_v implicit_o include_v in_o the_o former_a proposition_n that_o work_n do_v merit_n they_o must_v take_v their_o worth_n and_o dignity_n from_o the_o 〈…〉_z ritis_fw-la of_o our_o saviour_n passion_n and_o from_o thence_o 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