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answer_n to_o the_o epistle_n dedicate_v by_o t._n c._n too_o the_o church_n of_o england_n etc._n etc._n pag._n 1_o a_o epistle_n of_o the_o author_n too_o the_o church_n of_o england_n 17_o a_o exhortation_n to_o the_o civil_a &_o ecclesiastical_a magistrate_n 31_o a_o answer_n to_o the_o preface_n of_o the_o admonition_n 57_o tractatus_fw-la 1._o whether_o christ_n forbid_v rule_v and_o superiority_n unto_o mi_a nister_n 61_o the_o true_a interpretation_n of_o the_o 20_o of_o matthew_n etc._n etc._n reges_fw-la gentium_fw-la etc._n etc._n cap._n 1._o 61_o the_o exposition_n of_o the_o place_n math._n 23._o cap._n 2._o 71_o tract_n 2._o of_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n in_o thing_n indifferent_a 76_o some_o thing_n may_v be_v tolerate_v in_o the_o church_n touch_v order_n ceremonies_z discipline_n &_o kind_n of_o govern_v mean_v not_o express_v in_o the_o word_n of_o god_n chap._n 1._o 76_o the_o opinion_n of_o the_o ancient_a father_n and_o council_n of_o thing_n indifferent_a chap._n 2_o 95_o the_o opinion_n of_o saint_n augustine_n of_o thing_n indifferent_a chap._n 3_o 99_o the_o opinion_n of_o m._n caluine_n of_o thing_n indifferent_a chap._n 4._o 109_o the_o opinion_n of_o bucer_n of_o thing_n indifferent_a chap._n 5_o 113_o the_o exposition_n of_o the_o place_n of_o deut._n 4._o &_o 12._o quote_v by_o the_o admonition_n chap._n 6._o 116_o the_o opinion_n of_o other_o late_a writer_n of_o thing_n indifferent_a chap._n 7._o 126_o tract_n 3._o of_o the_o election_n of_o minister_n 132_o of_o the_o trial_n of_o minister_n both_o in_o lear_a ning_n and_o conversation_n chap._n 1._o pag._n 132_o whether_o idolatrous_a sacrificer_n and_o massemonger_n may_v afterwards_o be_v minister_n of_o the_o gospel_n chap._n 2._o 143_o of_o minister_n learn_v catechism_n chap_n â–ª_o 3._o 152_o of_o the_o election_n of_o minister_n by_o the_o voice_n and_o consent_n of_o the_o people_n chap._n 4._o 154_o a_o examination_n of_o the_o reason_n which_o t._n c._n use_v to_o prove_v the_o perpetual_a equity_n etc._n etc._n of_o election_n by_o the_o people_n chap._n 5._o 170_o the_o diversity_n betwixt_o the_o apostle_n time_n &_o we_o require_v a_o diverse_a kind_n of_o government_n and_o of_o order_v of_o minister_n chap._n 6._o 174_o that_o bishop_n have_v authority_n to_o admit_v and_o ordain_v minister_n chap._n 7._o 194_o it_o be_v not_o necessary_a that_o the_o people_n shall_v have_v interest_n in_o the_o election_n of_o minister_n but_o the_o contrary_n be_v convenient_a chap._n 8._o 211_o tract_n 4._o of_o minister_n have_v no_o pastoral_a charge_n of_o ceremony_n use_v in_o order_v minister_n of_o apostle_n evangelist_n and_o prophet_n 216_o of_o minister_n admit_v a_o place_n be_v not_o void_a chap._n 1_o 216_o of_o ceremony_n use_v in_o ordain_v â—i_n nister_n chap._n 2._o 225_o of_o apostle_n evangelist_n and_o prophet_n chap._n 3._o 228_o tract_n 5._o of_o residence_n of_o the_o pastor_n chap._n 1._o 235_o of_o plurality_n or_o have_v more_o benefice_n than_o one_o chap._n 2._o 246_o tract_n 6._o of_o minister_n that_o can_v preach_v and_o of_o licence_n to_o preach_v 251_o some_o may_v be_v minister_n that_o can_v preach_v chap._n 1._o 251_o of_o licence_n to_o preach_v chap._n 2_o 254_o tract_n 7._o of_o apparel_n of_o minister_n 256_o the_o cause_n why_o they_o refuse_v the_o apparel_n examine_v chap._n 1._o 256_o that_o minister_n be_v know_v in_o time_n pass_v by_o distinct_a apparel_n chap._n 2._o 261_o that_o the_o magistrate_n may_v appoint_v a_o distinct_a apparel_n for_o minister_n chap._n 3._o 264_o the_o distinction_n of_o apparel_n be_v appoint_v before_o the_o pope_n tyranny_n chap._n 4._o 268_o that_o the_o apparel_n now_o use_v be_v not_o po_n pish_o or_o antichristian_a and_o that_o thing_n invent_v by_o evil_a man_n may_v be_v use_v of_o christian_n chap._n 5._o 271_o diverse_a thing_n concern_v apparel_n in_o other_o place_n of_o the_o answer_v chap._n 6._o 282_o the_o fault_n wherewith_o the_o admonitor_n charge_v the_o apparel_n answer_v chap._n 7_o 283_o tract_n 8._o of_o archbishop_n metropolitans_n bishop_n archdeacon_n etc._n etc._n pag._n 297_o the_o reason_n of_o t._n c._n answer_v where_o by_o he_o go_v about_o to_o take_v away_o the_o superfluous_a lop_v as_o he_o term_v it_o of_o the_o office_n chap._n 1._o 297_o that_o the_o name_n of_o metropolitan_a archbishop_n etc._n etc._n be_v not_o antichristian_a chap._n 2._o 318_o the_o office_n of_o archbishop_n etc._n etc._n be_v not_o strange_a or_o unheard_a of_o in_o chri_n stes_fw-la church_n and_o of_o superiority_n among_o the_o clergy_n chap._n 3._o 353_o the_o defence_n of_o the_o answer_v of_o master_n jewel_n concern_v archbishop_n etc._n etc._n against_o the_o unreverend_a reply_n of_o t._n c._n chap._n 4_o 422_o the_o cause_n of_o archbishop_n and_o of_o their_o prerogative_n and_o the_o estate_n of_o the_o old_a bishop_n assign_v by_o t._n c._n examine_v chap._n 5._o 435_o other_o thing_n concern_v the_o office_n and_o authority_n of_o our_o clergy_n of_o inequality_n of_o degree_n among_o minister_n etc._n etc._n disperse_v in_o other_o place_n of_o the_o answer_n chap._n 6._o 453_o a_o brief_a collection_n of_o such_o authority_n as_o be_v use_v in_o this_o defence_n of_o the_o authority_n of_o archbishop_n &_o bishop_n chap_n 7._o 470_o a_o brief_a comparison_n of_o the_o bishop_n of_o our_o time_n and_o the_o bishop_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n chap._n 8._o pag._n 47_o tract_n 9_o of_o the_o communion_n book_n 474._o the_o general_a fault_n examine_v where_o with_o the_o public_a service_n be_v charge_v by_o t._n c._n chap._n 1._o 474_o a_o examination_n of_o the_o particular_a fault_n either_o in_o matter_n or_o form_n wherewith_o the_o book_n of_o common_a prayer_n be_v charge_v chap._n 2._o 487_o of_o baptism_n by_o woman_n wherewith_o the_o communion_n book_n be_v false_o charge_v chap._n 3._o 503_o of_o minister_a the_o sacrament_n in_o private_a place_n chap._n 4._o 511_o the_o sacrament_n minister_v by_o other_o than_o minister_n chap._n 5._o 515_o of_o private_a communion_n wherewith_o the_o admonition_n charge_v the_o book_n of_o common_a prayer_n chap._n 6._o 525._o of_o church_a of_o woman_n 534_o tract_n 10._o of_o holiday_n 538_o of_o holiday_n in_o general_a and_o that_o they_o may_v be_v appoint_v by_o the_o church_n and_o of_o the_o use_n of_o they_o chap._n 1._o 538_o of_o saint_n day_n chap._n 2._o 543_o tract_n 11._o what_o kind_n of_o preachinge_a be_v most_o effectual_a 555_o tract_n 12._o of_o preach_v before_o the_o administration_n of_o the_o sacrament_n 562._o tract_n 13._o of_o read_v of_o the_o scripture_n 568._o a_o comparison_n between_o read_v of_o scripture_n and_o preach_v chap._n 1._o page_n 568_o that_o read_n be_v preach_v chap._n 2._o pag._n 574_o the_o profit_n of_o read_v scripture_n in_o the_o church_n chap._n 3._o 578_o tract_n 14._o of_o minister_a and_o preachinge_a by_o deacon_n 582_o tract_n 15._o 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the_o state_n as_o they_o do_v then_o true_o have_v they_o to_o consider_v of_o such_o disturber_n of_o the_o peace_n of_o the_o church_n and_o according_a to_o their_o office_n and_o duty_n provide_v a_o conveniente_a remedy_n for_o they_o know_v that_o it_o be_v the_o extreme_a refuge_n of_o satan_n when_o by_o other_o mean_v he_o can_v then_o to_o seek_v the_o overthrow_n of_o the_o gospel_n through_o contention_n about_o external_a thing_n the_o epist._n of_o t._n c._n sect._n ii_o an_o other_o exception_n against_o the_o favourer_n of_o this_o cause_n be_v take_v for_o that_o they_o propound_v it_o out_o of_o time_n which_o be_v that_o the_o jew_n say_v that_o the_o time_n be_v not_o yet_o come_v to_o build_v the_o lord_n house_n but_o it_o be_v know_v what_o the_o prophet_n answer_v and_o if_o no_o time_n be_v unseasonable_a in_o that_o kind_n of_o material_a building_n wherein_o there_o be_v some_o time_n as_o of_o summer_n more_o opportune_a and_o fit_a than_o other_o how_o 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to_o conceal_v the_o 10._o rom._n 1_o ▪_o cor._n 10._o truth_n we_o can_v do_v nothing_o against_o it_o but_o for_o it_o it_o be_v a_o profane_a say_n of_o a_o profane_a man_n that_o a_o unjust_a peace_n be_v better_a than_o a_o just_a war_n it_o be_v a_o divine_a say_n of_o a_o heathen_a man_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d it_o be_v good_a to_o contend_v for_o good_a thing_n the_o papist_n have_v no_o matter_n of_o rejoice_v sing_v they_o have_v great_a &_o sharp_a controversy_n at_o home_n and_o see_v this_o tend_v both_o to_o the_o further_o open_v of_o their_o shame_n and_o thrust_v out_o of_o their_o remnant_n which_o yet_o remain_v among_o us._n the_o weak_a may_v not_o be_v offend_v consyder_v that_o even_o in_o the_o church_n of_o god_n and_o among_o those_o of_o the_o church_n there_o have_v be_v as_o great_a variety_n of_o judgement_n as_o these_o be_v for_o what_o weighty_a controversy_n can_v there_o be_v than_o whether_o we_o shall_v rise_v again_o or_o no_o author_n 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church_n consent_n shall_v be_v have_v in_o the_o election_n of_o apostolical_a t._n c._n urge_v the_o apostolical_a form_n and_o yet_o bring_v in_o that_o which_o be_v not_o apostolical_a the_o minister_n etc._n etc._n but_o how_o shall_v we_o know_v that_o you_o mean_v as_o you_o speak_v for_o you_o have_v no_o warrant_n so_o to_o do_v in_o any_o apostolical_a election_n or_o in_o any_o form_n use_v in_o the_o apostle_n time_n wherefore_o either_o you_o must_v break_v that_o rule_n which_o you_o will_v have_v both_o to_o be_v perfect_a and_o perpetual_a for_o all_o time_n and_o state_n or_o else_o do_v you_o but_o dissemble_v with_o the_o magistrate_n and_o mind_n nothing_o less_o than_o that_o you_o say_v you_o will_v do_v but_o as_o good_a never_o a_o whit_n as_o never_o a_o deal_n the_o better_a for_o the_o magistrate_n must_v c._n the_o absurdity_n of_o the_o devise_n of_o t._n c._n confirm_v they_o or_o reject_v they_o if_o he_o be_v godly_a and_o take_v not_o from_o the_o 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etc._n etc._n i_o be_o persuade_v that_o you_o can_v not_o show_v any_o like_a place_n which_o do_v so_o plain_o import_v the_o abrogate_n of_o they_o as_o this_o 14._o 1._o cor._n 12._o &_o 14._o do_v make_v for_o their_o continuance_n i_o have_v beside_o that_o place_n to_o the_o ephesian_n the_o twelve_o of_o the_o first_o to_o the_o corinth_n and_o the._n 14._o where_o he_o speak_v of_o prophet_n as_o of_o perpetual_a minister_n in_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n i_o know_v that_o there_o be_v certain_a thing_n in_o the_o apostle_n which_o be_v proper_a unto_o themselves_o as_o their_o call_n which_o be_v immediate_o from_o god_n their_o commission_n to_o go_v into_o the_o whole_a world_n the_o power_n of_o work_a miracle_n to_o be_v witness_n of_o the_o resurrection_n and_o of_o the_o ascension_n etc._n etc._n but_o to_o preach_v the_o word_n of_o god_n in_o place_n where_o need_n require_v though_o the_o same_o be_v not_o peculiar_o commit_v to_o they_o or_o to_o govern_v church_n 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foreshow_v thing_n to_o come_v then_o be_v they_o not_o in_o all_o time_n of_o the_o church_n but_o if_o they_o be_v 14._o prophet_n 1._o cor._n 14._o such_o as_o saint_n paul_n speak_v of_o 1._o corin._n 14._o such_o i_o say_v as_o have_v a_o especial_a gift_n in_o interpret_a the_o scripture_n whether_o it_o be_v in_o expound_v the_o mystery_n thereof_o to_o the_o learned_a or_o in_o declare_v the_o true_a sense_n thereof_o to_o the_o people_n i_o understande_v not_o why_o it_o be_v not_o as_o perpetual_a as_o the_o pastor_n or_o doctor_n thus_o you_o see_v that_o i_o have_v both_o scripture_n and_o reason_n on_o my_o side_n and_o to_o the_o end_n you_o may_v perceyve_v that_o i_o be_o not_o destitute_a of_o the_o consent_n also_o of_o learned_a ambrose_n ambrose_n man_n in_o this_o matter_n i_o will_v set_v down_o the_o opinion_n of_o one_o or_o two_o ambrose_n upon_o these_o word_n ad_fw-la ephes._n 4._o et_fw-la ipse_fw-la dedit_fw-la quosdam_fw-la quidem_fw-la apostolos_fw-la 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gift_n which_o be_v at_o all_o time_n necessary_a for_o the_o church_n and_o in_o that_o place_n the_o apostle_n mention_v prophesy_v m._n caluine_n in_o his_o institut_fw-la caluine_n caluine_n cap._n 8._o do_v confess_v that_o god_n have_v stir_v up_o apostle_n or_o evangelist_n since_o that_o time_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n and_o that_o he_o have_v do_v so_o likewise_o even_o now_o in_o this_o tyme._n m._n bullinger_n upon_o the_o place_n of_o the_o four_o to_o the_o ephe._n say_v that_o the_o word_n bullinger_n bullinger_n be_v confound_v and_o that_o a_o apostle_n be_v also_o call_v a_o prophet_n a_o doctor_n a_o euangeliste_n a_o minister_n and_o a_o bishop_n and_o a_o bishop_n a_o euangeliste_n and_o a_o prophet_n etc._n etc._n to_o be_v short_a it_o be_v thus_o write_v in_o the_o confession_n of_o the_o church_n in_o helvetia_n heluetica_fw-la confess_v heluetica_fw-la the_o minister_n of_o the_o new_a testament_n be_v call_v by_o sundry_a name_n for_o they_o be_v call_v apostle_n prophet_n evangelist_n byshoppe_n etc._n etc._n and_o speak_v of_o prophet_n it_o say_v the_o prophet_n in_o time_n paste_n foresee_a thing_n to_o come_v be_v call_v seer_n who_o be_v expounder_n of_o the_o scripture_n also_o as_o some_o be_v even_o now_o a_o day_n evangelist_n be_v writer_n of_o the_o history_n of_o the_o gospel_n and_o preacher_n also_o of_o the_o glad_a tiding_n of_o christ_n his_o gospel_n as_o paul_n bid_v timothy_n do_v the_o work_n of_o a_o euangeliste_n etc._n etc._n so_o that_o to_o say_v that_o there_o be_v in_o the_o church_n apostles_n prophet_n and_o evangelist_n in_o such_o sense_n as_o i_o have_v declare_v be_v no_o strange_a divinity_n to_o such_o as_o be_v divine_n in_o deed_n but_o let_v we_o hear_v your_o reason_n chap._n 3._o the._n 2._o division_n t._n c._n page_n 45._o sect._n 1._o 2._o 3._o 4._o and_o that_o you_o may_v have_v some_o thing_n to_o do_v more_o than_o peradventure_o you_o think_v of_o when_o you_o write_v these_o word_n i_o will_v show_v my_o reason_n why_o i_o think_v there_o ought_v to_o be_v none_o nor_o can_v be_v none_o unless_o they_o have_v wonderful_a and_o extraordinary_a calling_n it_o must_v first_o be_v understand_v that_o the_o signification_n of_o this_o word_n apostle_n when_o it_o be_v proper_o take_v extend_v itself_o not_o only_o to_o all_o the_o minister_n of_o god_n be_v send_v of_o god_n but_o to_o the_o ambassador_n of_o any_o prince_n or_o noble_a man_n or_o that_o be_v send_v of_o any_o public_a authority_n and_o be_v use_v of_o the_o scripture_n by_o the_o trope_n of_o synecdoche_n for_o the_o twelve_o that_o our_o saviour_n christ_n appoint_v to_o go_v throughout_o all_o the_o world_n to_o preach_v the_o gospel_n unto_o the_o which_o number_n be_v add_v saint_n paul_n and_o
which_o they_o be_v not_o and_o admit_v you_o they_o as_o often_o as_o you_o will_v the_o lord_n pronounce_v that_o they_o shall_v be_v no_o minister_n to_o he_o which_o have_v no_o *_o knowledge_n 6._o qzee_n 6._o but_o let_v we_o hear_v your_o reason_n reason_n reason_n it_o be_v your_o own_o reason_n there_o must_v be_v read_v in_o the_o church_n therefore_o there_o must_v be_v minister_n which_o can_v do_v nothing_o else_o then_o we_o may_v reason_v thus_o to_o there_o must_v be_v break_v of_o bread_n and_o distribute_v of_o the_o cup_n in_o the_o church_n and_o pour_v on_o water_n therefore_o whosoever_o be_v able_a to_o break_v aloof_o of_o bread_n or_o to_o lift_v a_o cup_n of_o wine_n or_o to_o pour_v on_o water_n on_o the_o body_n of_o the_o child_n may_v be_v make_v a_o minister_n and_o do_v you_o never_o read_v y_z t_z there_o be_v reader_n in_o the_o church_n when_o there_o be_v no_o read_v minister_n but_o of_o that_o of_o read_v of_o the_o scripture_n &_o prayer_n in_o 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sometime_o more_o profit_v the_o church_n than_o the_o great_a exquisite_a and_o fine_a or_o delicate_a but_o a_o little_a to_o proud_a learning_n of_o some_o other_o wherefore_o we_o reject_v not_o nowadays_o the_o good_a simplicity_n of_o certain_a so_o that_o they_o be_v not_o altogether_o unskilful_a of_o god_n and_o his_o word_n there_o be_v nothing_o in_o that_o 6._o of_o ozee_n that_o serve_v your_o turn_n you_o say_v that_o i_o reason_n thus_o there_o must_v be_v read_v in_o the_o church_n therefore_o there_o must_v be_v minister_n that_o can_v do_v nothing_o else_o you_o know_v what_o be_v write_v sapi._n 1._o os_fw-la quod_fw-la mentitur_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o mouth_n that_o speak_v lie_n slay_v the_o soul_n etc._n etc._n i_o will_v it_o be_v not_o so_o usual_a with_o you_o my_o argument_n be_v this_o that_o for_o somuche_o as_o there_o can_v not_o be_v a_o sufficient_a number_n of_o preacher_n to_o furnish_v this_o church_n of_o england_n in_o all_o place_n therefore_o 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2._o division_n lawful_o may_v have_v also_o as_o it_o shall_v be_v hereafter_o declare_v chap._n 2._o the_o four_o division_n t._n c._n page_n 51._o sect._n 7._o i_o do_v not_o use_v to_o maintain_v the_o place_n which_o be_v quote_v although_o they_o be_v true_o allege_v for_o the_o will_n the_o nay_o it_o be_v because_o you_o can_v no_o for_o you_o want_v no_o good_a will_n cause_n which_o i_o have_v before_o mention_v but_o yet_o i_o can_v not_o but_o speak_v of_o this_o place_n of_o saint_n luke_n for_o fear_v of_o the_o danger_n that_o may_v ensue_v for_o if_o this_o be_v a_o good_a reason_n y_z e_z the_o place_n of_o s._n luke_n may_v not_o be_v use_v to_o prove_v that_o preach_n be_v perpetual_o annex_v to_o the_o ministry_n because_o in_o y_z t_z same_o place_n be_v make_v mention_n of_o cure_v of_o disease_n which_o be_v but_o a_o temporal_a thing_n &_o follow_v the_o ministry_n but_o for_o a_o time_n than_o the_o commandment_n of_o s._n james_n *_o that_o the_o elder_n of_o the_o church_n shall_v 5._o james._n 5._o pray_v for_o those_o that_o be_v sick_a be_v now_o no_o commandment_n because_o put_v on_o of_o hand_n and_o anoint_v of_o they_o that_o they_o may_v recover_v their_o health_n have_v no_o place_n and_o by_o this_o mean_v you_o will_v pull_v from_o we_o as_o many_o place_n of_o the_o new_a testament_n as_o you_o do_v before_o of_o the_o old_a io._n whitgifte_n you_o will_v not_o doubt_v maintey_a all_o their_o place_n if_o you_o can_v for_o the_o quotation_n be_v the_o substance_n of_o that_o book_n &_o the_o thing_n that_o most_o persuade_v the_o reader_n which_o credit_v all_o thing_n there_o write_v without_o examination_n &_o think_v it_o must_v of_o necessity_n be_v true_a be_v so_o confirm_v by_o the_o scripture_n and_o sure_o you_o can_v not_o have_v greatly_o condemn_v the_o author_n of_o that_o admonition_n than_o in_o suffer_v so_o many_o quotation_n of_o they_o to_o pass_v without_o defence_n for_o what_o wickedness_n can_v there_o be_v great_a than_o to_o abuse_v the_o scripture_n in_o maynteyn_v of_o sect_n and_o error_n the_o place_n of_o luke_n be_v not_o answer_v the_o word_n of_o the_o text_n be_v these_o and_o he_o send_v 9_o luke_n 9_o they_o to_o preach_v the_o kingdom_n of_o god_n and_o to_o cure_v the_o sick_a etc._n etc._n no_o man_n live_a can_v conclude_v of_o this_o place_n the_o one_o more_o than_o he_o can_v do_v the_o other_o &_o your_o word_n be_v but_o your_o own_o there_o be_v other_o place_n a_o number_n that_o be_v more_o general_a than_o this_o to_o prove_v preach_v by_o this_o be_v peculiar_a and_o proper_a to_o the_o disciple_n as_o the_o whole_a circumstance_n of_o the_o place_n declare_v for_o they_o be_v also_o command_v to_o take_v nothing_o with_o they_o in_o their_o journey_n neither_o staff_n etc._n etc._n to_o preach_v be_v perpetual_a but_o it_o can_v not_o be_v gather_v of_o this_o place_n that_o none_o ought_v to_o be_v admit_v into_o the_o ministry_n but_o such_o as_o can_v 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t._n c._n pag._n 170._o sect._n 2._o as_o for_o elias_n kill_v the_o false_a prophet_n and_o our_o saviour_n christ_n whip_a out_n of_o the_o temple_n it_o be_v strange_a that_o m._n doctor_n will_v allege_v they_o as_o thing_n to_o be_v follow_v when_o he_o may_v as_o well_o teach_v that_o we_o may_v call_v for_o fire_n from_o heaven_n as_o elias_n do_v and_o be_v demand_v answer_v nothing_o as_o our_o saviour_n do_v as_o to_o follow_v these_o action_n which_o be_v most_o singular_a and_o extraordinary_a and_o if_o these_o one_o or_o two_o example_n be_v enough_o to_o break_v the_o order_n that_o god_n have_v set_v by_o this_o a_o man_n may_v prove_v that_o the_o mynister_n may_v be_v fisher_n and_o tent_n maker_n because_o peter_n and_o paul_n be_v minister_n do_v fish_n and_o make_v tent_n and_o true_o these_o be_v not_o so_o extraordinary_a and_o from_o the_o general_a rule_n as_o the_o other_o be_v and_o it_o be_v permit_v in_o a_o council_n that_o rather_o than_o a_o minister_n 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