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no_o creature_n may_v with_o any_o estimation_n be_v worship_v with_o divine_a honour_n a.d._n if_o m._n white_a insist_v and_o urge_v 43._o pag._n 43._o that_o outward_a word_n and_o action_n be_v sign_n of_o inward_a meaning_n therefore_o where_o word_n and_o outward_a action_n be_v the_o same_o towards_o christ_n and_o towards_o his_o saint_n at_o least_o ignorant_a people_n have_v cause_v give_v they_o to_o think_v we_o have_v the_o same_o inward_a meaning_n and_o so_o by_o our_o example_n be_v encourage_v to_o commit_v formal_a idolatry_n i_o answer_v that_o inward_a meaning_n be_v indeed_o gather_v by_o outward_a word_n and_o action_n ordinary_o but_o not_o always_o nor_o ordinary_o by_o the_o bare_a outward_a show_n of_o the_o action_n or_o by_o that_o precise_a sound_n of_o one_o or_o other_o word_n or_o sentence_n but_o by_o the_o whole_a connexion_n and_o circumstance_n of_o the_o matter_n and_o person_n about_o which_o the_o speech_n and_o action_n be_v and_o by_o the_o 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be_v that_o even_o this_o kind_n of_o invocation_n with_o no_o further_a opinion_n touch_v they_o be_v unlawful_a as_o i_o have_v show_v and_o let_v the_o reader_n always_o remember_v that_o it_o be_v 1._o be_v mat_n 6.9_o luc_n 11.1_o nam_fw-la quamlibet_fw-la alia_fw-la veil_n a_o dicamus_fw-la nihil_fw-la aliud_fw-la dicimus_fw-la quam_fw-la quod_fw-la in_o ista_fw-la dominica_n oratione_fw-la positum_fw-la est_fw-la si_fw-la rectè_fw-la &_o congruent_a oramus_fw-la quisquis_fw-la auten_v id_fw-la dicit_fw-la quod_fw-la ad_fw-la istam_fw-la precempertinere_fw-la non_fw-la possit_fw-la etiamsi_fw-la non_fw-la illicitè_fw-fr orat_fw-la carnaliter_fw-la orat_fw-la etc._n etc._n aug._n open_a 121._o c._n 12._o neque_fw-la ensm_n propria_fw-la tantum_fw-la orationis_fw-la officia_fw-la complexa_fw-la cit_fw-la venerationem_fw-la dei_fw-la aut_fw-la hominis_fw-la petitionem_fw-la sed_fw-la on_fw-we nem_fw-la pene_fw-la sermonen_fw-mi domini_fw-la omnem_fw-la commemorationem_fw-la disciplinae_fw-la â—t_z â—â—â—era_n in_o oratione_fw-la breviarium_fw-la totius_fw-la euangelij_fw-la comprehendatur_fw-la tertul._n de_fw-fr orat_fw-la c_o 1._o no_o lawful_a prayer_n that_o be_v not_o according_a to_o christ_n rule_n when_o you_o pray_v do_v it_o after_o this_o manner_n our_o father_n which_o be_v in_o heaven_n etc._n etc._n let_v your_o prayer_n be_v make_v to_o he_o that_o you_o may_v say_v be_v your_o father_n that_o be_v in_o heaven_n who_o forgive_v we_o our_o sin_n and_o to_o who_o belong_v the_o kingdom_n and_o power_n and_o glory_n for_o ever_o 6_o but_o that_o which_o he_o chief_o intend_v in_o this_o place_n be_v to_o excuse_v the_o harshness_n and_o scandalousnesse_n of_o the_o word_n of_o their_o prayer_n albeit_o if_o a_o man_n shall_v view_v they_o well_o he_o may_v marvel_v what_o excuse_n can_v be_v devise_v for_o they_o yet_o the_o reply_n not_o only_o excuse_v they_o that_o they_o must_v not_o be_v measure_v by_o their_o sound_n and_o outward_a
show_n but_o by_o the_o circumstance_n of_o the_o matter_n the_o conceit_n of_o he_o that_o use_v they_o the_o doctrine_n of_o their_o church_n and_o i_o know_v not_o what_o but_o also_o deny_v they_o to_o be_v so_o much_o as_o scandalous_a to_o the_o ignorant_a people_n that_o know_v none_o of_o these_o thing_n and_o he_o add_v that_o there_o be_v none_o ordinary_o among_o they_o so_o simple_a but_o they_o know_v the_o right_a meaning_n this_o latter_a be_v a_o gross_a untruth_n for_o if_o i_o shall_v report_v what_o i_o have_v hear_v and_o see_v and_o what_o all_o the_o world_n know_v touch_v the_o opinion_n that_o the_o vulgar_a sort_n of_o papist_n have_v of_o the_o saint_n he_o will_v but_o fall_v a_o rail_n and_o face_n i_o out_o of_o my_o own_o knowledge_n though_o it_o be_v true_a that_o of_o god_n and_o the_o church_n and_o his_o office_n they_o have_v no_o knowledge_n but_o in_o all_o thing_n talk_v of_o the_o saint_n who_o be_v such_o a_o stranger_n in_o that_o country_n that_o know_v not_o the_o opinion_n that_o be_v of_o our_o lady_n s._n anthony_n s._n loy_n s._n peter_n to_o who_o they_o pray_v at_o all_o assay_n that_o can_v say_v never_o a_o word_n of_o jesus_n christ_n or_o if_o they_o can_v yet_o think_v he_o stand_v at_o their_o devotion_n special_o his_o mother_n no_o less_o than_o many_o of_o themselves_o stand_v at_o the_o devotion_n of_o the_o priest_n espenceus_n 128._o espenceus_n 2._o tim._n digr_n 17._o pag_n 128._o say_v that_o now_o adays_o so_o well_o be_v they_o teach_v old_a folk_n there_o be_v that_o trust_v in_o saint_n and_o ascribe_v no_o less_o to_o they_o then_o to_o god_n himself_o and_o think_v it_o a_o easy_a thing_n to_o entreat_v one_o of_o they_o then_z he_o and_o he_o wish_v he_o may_v be_v find_v a_o liar_n and_o that_o there_o be_v no_o such_o so_o that_o we_o see_v the_o reply_n excuse_n that_o which_o his_o master_n in_o israel_n can_v deny_v but_o what_o be_v it_o that_o these_o man_n will_v not_o excuse_v what_o hope_n be_v there_o of_o any_o truth_n or_o modesty_n from_o they_o that_o will_v excuse_v these_o thing_n we_o have_v sometime_o a_o merry_a jest_n of_o a_o silly_a priest_n that_o use_v to_o say_v his_o prayer_n thus_o pater_fw-la noster_fw-la aue_fw-la maria_fw-la that_o be_v for_o thou_o s._n peter_n pater_fw-la noster_fw-la aue_fw-la maria_fw-la that_o be_v for_o thou_o s._n barbary_n pater_fw-la noster_fw-la aue_fw-la maria_fw-la that_o be_v for_o thou_o s._n rook_n and_o so_o forward_o till_o he_o have_v tell_v every_o saint_n his_o prayer_n this_o man_n devotion_n be_v high_o commend_v by_o 307._o by_o enchirid._n de_fw-fr orat_fw-la c._n 18._o n._n 32._o pag._n 307._o navarre_n who_o be_v himself_o old_a enough_o to_o have_v have_v more_o wit_n for_o he_o say_v he_o be_v 85_o year_n old_a when_o he_o use_v it_o 68_o it_o miscel_n de_fw-fr orat_fw-la pag._n 68_o make_v this_o his_o order_n of_o prayer_n dotage_n prayer_n a_o strange_a kind_n of_o devotion_n but_o permit_v to_o none_o till_o he_o come_v to_o the_o year_n of_o dotage_n with_o his_o mind_n fix_v upon_o the_o virgin_n marie_n to_o say_v ten_o pater_n noster_n and_o a_o aue_fw-la and_o at_o the_o end_n of_o the_o first_o ten_o the_o virgin_n marie_n and_o all_o angel_n archangel_n principality_n and_o throne_n cherubin_n and_o seraphin_n bless_v i_o ten_o thousand_o time_n at_o the_o end_n of_o the_o second_o ten_o the_o glorious_a virgin_n marie_n adam_n and_o eve_n elias_n and_o enoch_n all_o patriarch_n prophet_n and_o innocent_n bless_v i_o twenty_o thousand_o time_n at_o the_o three_o ten_o the_o glorious_a virgin_n peter_n and_o paul_n and_o all_o the_o apostle_n john_n and_o all_o the_o evangelist_n stephen_n and_o all_o our_o lord_n disciple_n sebastian_n and_o all_o martyr_n bless_v i_o thirty_o thousand_o time_n at_o the_o four_o ten_o all_o holy_a confessor_n sylvester_n gregory_n ambrose_n austin_n hierome_n isodore_n martin_n nicolas_n bennet_n bernard_n dominicke_n francis_n and_o all_o bishop_n doctor_n monk_n heremite_n virgin_n widow_n and_o marry_v bless_v i_o forty_o thousand_o time_n at_o the_o last_o ten_o thus_o the_o glorious_a virgin_n and_o anne_n her_o mother_n both_o the_o mary_fw-mi her_o sister_n magdalen_n martha_n marcelia_n and_o all_o her_o friend_n and_o servant_n agnes_n cicelia_n agathie_n lucy_n catharine_n and_o all_o other_o bless_v i_o fifty_o thousand_o time_n what_o man_n be_v he_o that_o will_v not_o rejoice_v and_o count_v it_o his_o chief_a happiness_n that_o he_o be_v come_v out_o from_o among_o these_o man_n where_o idolatry_n have_v besot_v they_o not_o only_o to_o blasphemy_n and_o atheism_n but_o to_o very_a dotage_n and_o ridiculousnesse_n that_o with_o their_o prayer_n and_o devotion_n they_o begin_v to_o resemble_v the_o common_a picture_n of_o the_o ape_n untruss_v the_o pedlar_n pack_v and_o forget_v the_o sweet_a mediation_n of_o he_o that_o 2.17_o that_o heb._n 2.17_o in_o all_o thing_n become_v like_o we_o for_o this_o very_a purpose_n that_o he_o may_v be_v merciful_a and_o a_o faithful_a high_a priest_n in_o all_o thing_n concern_v god_n and_o that_o he_o may_v make_v reconciliation_n for_o the_o sin_n of_o the_o people_n do_v thus_o renounce_v he_o and_o fly_v to_o the_o thousand_o and_o ten_o thousand_o of_o those_o who_o if_o they_o see_v this_o idolatry_n towards_o they_o will_v hate_v and_o detest_v it_o and_o all_o that_o speak_v for_o it_o 44._o pag._n 44._o a._n d._n if_o this_o answer_n will_v not_o stop_v m._n whites_n mouth_n but_o that_o he_o will_v continue_v in_o his_o exclamation_n that_o it_o be_v impossible_a to_o excuse_v this_o kind_n of_o pray_v from_o formal_a idolatry_n wherein_o the_o same_o title_n be_v give_v to_o the_o saint_n and_o the_o same_o thing_n by_o the_o same_o merit_v ask_v of_o they_o that_o appertain_v to_o christ_n alone_o i_o ask_v he_o how_o he_o will_v excuse_v saint_n augustine_n from_o formal_a idolatry_n sanctis_fw-la idolatry_n aug._n serm_n 18._o de_fw-la sanctis_fw-la who_o in_o his_o second_o sermon_n of_o the_o annunciation_n have_v these_o formal_a word_n the_o mother_n of_o our_o kind_n bring_v punishment_n into_o the_o world_n the_o mother_n of_o our_o lord_n bring_v health_n or_o salvation_n into_o the_o world_n eve_n be_v auctrix_fw-la of_o death_n marie_n be_v auctrix_fw-la of_o merit_n eve_n do_v hurt_v by_o kill_v marry_o do_v help_v by_o quicken_a etc._n etc._n afterward_o turn_v his_o speech_n to_o the_o bless_a virgin_n herself_o he_o say_v o_o bless_a marie_n who_o be_v able_a to_o render_v unto_o thou_o due_a thanks_n and_o praise_n who_o by_o thy_o singular_a assent_n have_v succour_v the_o world_n that_o be_v lose_v and_o again_o admit_v say_v he_o our_o prayer_n into_o the_o sacrarie_a of_o thy_o hear_n and_o bring_v back_o unto_o we_o the_o preservative_n of_o reconciliation_n and_o yet_o more_o receive_v say_v he_o that_o which_o we_o offer_v grant_v that_o which_o we_o ask_v excuse_v that_o which_o we_o fear_v because_o thou_o be_v the_o harsh_a the_o these_o word_n in_o outward_a sound_n seem_v harsh_a yet_o we_o be_v not_o to_o doubt_v but_o saint_n augustine_n have_v a_o pious_a meaning_n in_o they_o as_o that_o she_o be_v the_o only_a hope_n under_o christ_n or_o some_o such_o like_a which_o pious_a meaning_n be_v admit_v in_o s._n augustine_n word_n why_o may_v it_o not_o also_o be_v admit_v in_o the_o word_n of_o our_o prayer_n which_o to_o protestant_n seem_v harsh_a only_a hope_n of_o sinner_n by_o thou_o we_o hope_v for_o pardon_v of_o our_o sin_n and_o in_o thou_o o_o most_o blessed_a be_v the_o expectation_n of_o our_o reward_n holy_a marie_n succour_v the_o miserable_a help_v the_o fainthearted_a etc._n etc._n if_o m._n white_n can_v with_o a_o pious_a explication_n excuse_v these_o word_n of_o saint_n augustine_n from_o formal_a idolatry_n superstition_n and_o scandal_n than_o he_o must_v not_o marvel_v if_o our_o prayer_n also_o be_v in_o like_a manner_n excuse_v but_o if_o he_o will_v for_o these_o word_n condemn_v saint_n augustine_n we_o must_v not_o marvel_v if_o he_o also_o condemn_v we_o yet_o our_o comfort_n will_v be_v that_o as_o his_o condemnation_n can_v discredit_v saint_n augustine_n so_o neither_o shall_v it_o be_v able_a in_o the_o judgement_n of_o discreet_a man_n to_o discredit_v us._n 7_o these_o be_v truth_n be_v see_v kemnit_fw-la exam_fw-la council_n pag._n 646._o edit_n frankf_n 1609._o the_o papist_n themselves_o be_v uncertain_a who_o be_v the_o author_n of_o the_o sermon_n wherein_o they_o be_v erasm_n and_o the_o divine_n of_o lovan_n in_o their_o edition_n of_o austin_n rhem_n annot_fw-mi in_o act._n 1.14_o baron_fw-fr notat_fw-la in_o martyrolog_n mart._n 25._o it_o be_v certain_a that_o neither_o austin_n nor_o fulgentius_n be_v author_n because_o in_o their_o time_n
the_o feast_n of_o the_o annunciation_n be_v not_o hold_v nor_o long_o after_o see_v council_n mogunt_fw-la l._n c._n 36._o apud_fw-la binn_n tom_fw-mi 3._o pag._n 466._o a_o ordinary_a thing_n to_o father_n bastard_n writing_n on_o the_o ancient_a doctor_n sixt._n senens_fw-la biblioth_o pag._n 320._o and_o therefore_o our_o adversary_n shall_v not_o ground_v themselves_o on_o such_o writing_n if_o they_o be_v desirous_a of_o nothing_o but_o the_o truth_n not_o the_o word_n of_o saint_n austin_n but_o as_o it_o be_v suppose_v one_o fulbert_n a_o superstitious_a frenchman_n that_o live_v 1028._o live_v he_o die_v ann._n 1028._o above_o a_o thousand_o year_n after_o christ_n who_o sermon_n contain_v this_o prayer_n be_v clap_v into_o saint_n augustine_n work_n by_o those_o that_o with_o his_o name_n will_v give_v authority_n to_o their_o own_o conceit_n this_o man_n â—028_n man_n baron_fw-fr a_o â—028_n be_v our_o lady_n chaplain_n and_o as_o they_o say_v be_v much_o devote_a to_o her_o 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aliquibus_fw-la coniectutis_fw-la opinari_fw-la quinam_fw-la sint_fw-la qui_fw-la ad_fw-la hunc_fw-la piorum_fw-la hominum_fw-la nun_n erum_fw-la pertineant_fw-la certò_fw-la autem_fw-la scire_fw-la minime_fw-la possunt_fw-la haec_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la pars_fw-la est_fw-la incognita_fw-la cate._n rom._n p_o 113._o no_o man_n can_v judge_v who_o be_v elect_v nor_o see_v the_o glorify_a triumph_v in_o heaven_n and_o so_o they_o lie_v open_a to_o the_o jesuite_n raw_a conceit_n as_o much_o as_o we_o 5_o four_o he_o give_v a_o reason_n why_o i_o shall_v rather_o have_v call_v the_o church_n triumphant_a then_o militant_a or_o catholic_a because_o be_v as_o protestant_n hold_v invisible_a it_o need_v fear_v no_o persecution_n but_o may_v triumph_v indeed_o when_o no_o man_n can_v hurt_v or_o find_v they_o and_o then_o spin_v out_o the_o conceit_n he_o say_v it_o may_v also_o be_v call_v a_o lamentant_fw-la or_o a_o lamentable_a church_n in_o that_o be_v invisible_a member_n thereof_o can_v 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