that Caluin of blessed memory well liked and allowed such authority in Kings and magistrates as wee acknowledge to bee in our gratious King and his Maiesty claymeth and vseth This Doctrine Caluine most soundly setteth downe both in many places of his workes and especially in his Institutions lib. 4 chap. 20. But Caluin iustly misliked that power and authority which that great enemy of Gods truth and parasitycall flatterer Stephen Gardiner did attribute to King Henry the same in effect which before they had acknowledged to be in the Pope to doe in a manner what he would in the seruice of God For Caluin saith that Gardiner being at In Amoâ— cap. 7. Ratisbone and dealing about matters of religion disputed not by arguments nether greatly cared for the testimonies of the Scriptures but said that it was in the Kinges will and pleasure to abrogate ordinances and to ordaine new rites and orders That the King might apoint the people to eate flesh this or that day that he might forbid Priestes to marry wiues that hee might take away the cup from the Lay people in receauing the Sacrament of Christes supper This was that which Caluin misliked and our gratious Soueraigne nether challengeth nor exerciseth He acknowledgeth him-selfe to be Gods minister and seruant and that it belongeth to his imperiall crowne and dignity which he hath receaued from GOD to see and prouide that GODS word bee truly preached that GOD according to his owne will therein reuealed bee rightly worshipped and serued and that such decent and holy orders bee vsed in the Church as truly tend to GODLY edifications Of the presbiteries dealing in Scotland I am ignorant But that they opposed them-selues against our Kings authority as though he had nothing to doe with the kirke you generally affirme but doe not particularly proue It may appeare by their subscribing to the second Heluetian confession of faith that they euer haue and alwaies will both subscribe See the 2. Heluet. conâ—ession cap. 30. and sweare to the doctrine of the Kinges authority ouer all persons and in all causes in such sort as here before is set downe Hereby I am moued thus to conceaue of them If any be otherwaies minded I approue them not nor their adherents The same I say of those whom you call praecisions at home who not denying the kings authority in eclesiastical causes yet forbeare the things here by you named because they be not perswaded of the Lawfulnes of them and for that as that most reuerend and learned father Bishoppe Iuell saith they haue bâ—ene of them of your part fouly abused to filthy purposes and because they would not gladly in any appearance shew themselues like vnto them that haue so Defen of the Apol. Part. 3. cap. 5. Diâ—â—s 1. Page 400. vntruly and of long deceiued the world c. But leauing these to their owne defence certaine it is that neither the Presbitery in Scotland nor these praecisians in England haue euer made any shew of such horrible barbarous and trayterous practises against the Kinges not onely authoritie but also life and safety as cursed Papists and diuelish Iesuits or rather Iebusites haue done As touching the second matter you obiect of the authoritie of Bishops I do know none that do so hardly and iniuriously iudge of it as you here do in calling it if your owne fingers or your Printer haue not deceiued you an hereticall order Howbeit we make it not so a matter of faith that saluation dependeth on it But wee beleeue that God may be glorified in that his holy word is truly preached and effectually receiued and good order in the Church vsed where the authoritie of Bishops is allowed and receiued and where the same is not obserued for as in the politicall estate there be diuers orders of gouernment as Monarchie Aristocratie and Democratie which haue bene and as yet are vsed to the good of the people so in the Ecclesiasticall estate there may be diuers formes of regiment vnder which God may be truly worshipped the people vnto saluation edified sin suppressed and good order in the Church obserued And although there bee some diuersitie of opinions amongst vs which is the best forme of Ecclesiastical regimeÌ„t yet in this we al concurre and consent that the meanest and worst which is in any of the reformed Churches is better and more to the glory of God and true comfort of the people then that exorbitant insolent and tyrannicall gouernment is which your great Monarch the Pope hath to the dishonour of Princes and calamities of countries long excersised For the third thing alleadged concerning our iarring it seemeth that you draw very low when you obiect vnto vs dissention about feastes and holy-daies I know neither Protestant nor as you distinguish them Puritane who accoumpt them the Sabboth day excepted as matters of faith and saluation but that they may be vsed or refused as to them in authoritie shall be thought meet Socrates the Ecclesiasticall Historiographer saith that neither Lib. 5. cap. 22. fol. 248. Christ nor his Apostles did command any thing concerning holidaies and that it was the scope and purpose of the Apostles not to giue lawes of holidaies but to bring men to good life and godlynesse Your owne friendes and fauourers haue misliked the multitude of your holy dayes Annot. in Math. 1. Erasmus saith that in the dayes of Saint Hierome there were but few Festiuall dayes Nunc feriarum neque finis neque modus est but now there is neither end nor measure of Ja argum in Tertul. de corona militis Hollidaies Beatus Rhenanus writing of these holydaies saith Quarum antiquitus mira paucitas Holydaies in old time were very few As for that you write of the Quarto-decimani I finde that the Councell of Nyce did take order that Easter day should vniuersally be kept after one sort and order and Ruffin lib. i. c. p. 6 that not vppon the fourteenth day of the Moone as the East Churches had vsed it and many did still obserue it But that the Councell did condemne them for heretikes Haeres 50. de Haeres 29. I finde not in the Canons of it expressed I am not ignorant that Epiphamus Augustinâ— do number the Quaterdecimans among heretiks The which it may seeme they did ouer obstinatly partly to much follow the fashion of the Iewes whose law concerning that matter was expired and nayled to Christâ— crosse partly resist the decree of that godly Councell which did therein seeke the peace and vnitie of the Church which had beene too much distracted and troubled by it especially by the meanes of Victor Lib 55. cap. 25. Bishop of Rome as appeareth by Eusebius Concerning your fourth matter of fasting neither you doe make proofe nor I doe accknowledge any controuersie in this Church of England but that all will willingly Defen of the Apol. part 1. cap. 2 diuis â—t part 2. cap. 14. diuis
seruice Sigibertus Gemblacensis a Monke declareth how that Grimoaldus In Chronico fol. 96. Ar. 713. chiefe Gouernor of the house of Leodium whilest he was praying before the Altar of Saint Lambert was murthered by Rauinger a seruant of Rabode Duke of Frisia Hee also sheweth both how one Gualcerus a Bishop of England was slayne in the time of Masse And also how one Gerrardus a noble souldier or Knight was slaine by the Bishops Ibidem fol 134. seruants as hee was praying before the Image of Christ Albertus Krantzius writeth that Stanislaus Arch-bishop of Cracouia in Polonia as he was saying Masse was slaine In VVandalia lib. 2. pag. 62. Part. 3. Titul 22. cap. 11. 8. 10. Theod. a Niem lib. 1. cap. 25. p. 20. Part. 2. Titul 16. cap. 4. 55. 3. fol 95. by the commandement of King Bodislaus Iohn the Cornetan Cardinal did assault the King of Aragon as he was hearing Masse as writeth Antoninus Ioane the Queene of Naples as shee was kneeling before the Altar was at the commandement of Charles strangled by foure Hungarian soldiers Antoninus maketh mention of a fray in the Church a litle before Masse betweene the seruants of the Arch-bishop of Mentz and of the Abbot of Fulda about sitting neere to the Emperor by which the pauement of the Church was filled with blood But whether this was the same fray â— is alleaged before out of Mathew Paris I do not know neither haue I leisure to examine The people of Bedera slew William Trentheuell their Guliel Neubrig reruÌ„ Angli lib. 2. cap. 11. pag. 389. lib. 1. in Henr. 1. part 7. In Richard 1. fol. 6. Lord with his friends and Nobles before the Altar and in the presence of the Bishop Fabian writeth that one Guye a French man was slaine at Masse Hee also declareth how Hugh Nouante Bishop of Chester made complaint that the Monkes of Couentry had shed his blood before the high Altar of the Church for which cause the Bishop of Elye deemed that the sayd Monks should be put from their Abbey Geffrey Arch-bishop of Yorke brother to King Richard the first and King Iohn hauing said Masse and standing Act monu in Rich 1. pag. 323. at the Altar hauing his Masse garments on was by the Bishop of Elies men and commandement bound and dragged through the dirt and myre Robert Haul Esquier who had escaped out of the Tower Ex libelio de Sâ—pult et mon â—uâ—eclesie VVâ—stmon Anno 137â— of London with his fellow Iohn Shakel fled vnto the sanctuary at Westminster from wheÌ„ce Alane Buxhâ—l Raphe Ferrers with 50. men did go about by force when he was at Masse to bring him who making resistance crying for the peace of the Church was slaine with swords with a seruant of the Abbey who would haue letted them Hollingshead writeth of a fraye in Saynt Dunstans Hollingsh Croniâ—l in Hen. 5. pag 562. Church in London in these wordes In this yeare 1418 In the first yeare of the raigne of this Victorious King on Easter day in the afternoone a time which required deuotion at a sermon in Saint Dunstons in the East of London a great fraye happened in the said Church where through many people were sore wounded and one Thomas Petwarden fishmonger that dwelt at Sprots key was slain out right as they vpon a good intent did what they could to their own perill as it vnfortunately befell to appease the turmoile and to procure the keeping of the Kings peace This broile began betweene the Histor Mont. Hersang pag. 17. in VVandalia lib. 13. cap. 20. lib. 10. cap. 9. c. Lord Strange and Sir Iohn Trussell Knight by the malice of their wiues Many such other broyles committed in the Church and in the time of their Masse might be alleadged as the learned may read in Tritemius Krantius and others but I will forbeare them They haue also shewed their deuotion in not sparing to Platina in victor 3 vse or rather horribly to abuse the Sacrament of Christs blood to poysoning of their enemies Pope Victor the third was by poyson put into the Chalice poysoned and killed Plat in ClemeÌ„t 5. fasciâ— tempor Septa aetate fol. 84. So Henry the 7. Emperor was poysoned by a Monke called Bernard de Mont Polâ—tiano in the Chalice when he receiued the Sacrament So was Henry Archbishoppe of Yorke poysoned in the Chalice when himselfe said Masse as writeth the Monke In Stephano pag. 122. Mathew Parâ—s Thus the reader may see that the deuotion of Papistes is like if not much worse the deuotion of those women who Act. 13. 50. were stirred vp by the Iewes to persecute Paul and Barnabas Hereby this man and others who so much accuse our manners these times may see what hath been the estate of the Church and manners both of Priestes and people heretofore when Popery most florished and thereby may discerne with whome dissolution and loosenesse of life do most raigne The Pamphlet The Protestants make God the author of sinne the onely cause of sinne that man sinneth not that GOD is worse then the Diuell 5. Article VVHosoeuer defendeth that God commaundeth perswadeth vrgeth impelleth to sinne maketh God the cause of sinne a Caâ—uia lib. 1. Institu cap. 17. §. 11. cap. 18. §. 4. lib. 3. cap. 23. §. 7. 8. 9. Quintius serm de prouidentiâ— Beza Aphoris But all Protestants say that God commandeth perswadeth vrgeth impelleth to sinne Ergo The Protestants make God the cause and author of sinne The Maior I proue for if God perswade or impell men to sinne as for example Iudas to sell Christ Saint Peter to deny Christ the Iewes to crucifie Christ questionlesse he intended the sacriledge of Iudas the negation of Peter the murder of the Iewes and this much more effectually then Iudas Peter or the Iewes For who can resist his impulsion or who can frustrate his intention Voluntati eius quis resistet Who is able to oppose himselfe against his will yea what man is he that in conscience were not bound to conforme his will vnto the will of God who is the author of all good willes and the first rule and square of all regular wils Iudas Peter and the Iewes if they had followed the motions of God who could haue blamed them for following him who could not erre in impelling nor sinne in perswading them But some will say that God moued them for a good end videlicet the redemption of man and they intended an ill end to wit Luere reuenge or some other sinister effect Yet this shifâ— will not salue the sore for euill may not be done that good may follow Non sunt facienda mala vt inde veniant bona For Rom. 3. ver 8. otherwise a man might steale to giue almes be arunke for a meriment commit adâ—â—utrie to beget children Moreouer why might not Iudas Peter or the Iewes intend that
and Papistes thought well of Pope Formosus whome other Popes did malitiously and dispitefully vse being dead Some papists thought well of them that were called â—agellantes whome others condemned and punished for â—uill dooers Vide paralip Abbaâ— vâ—spâ—rg pag 369. Pope Alexander the 6. and others burned at Florence Hierom Saoaâ—orola whome both Phillip Comineus and Antonius Falminius accompted for a holy man â—aminius fine verses in commendation of him worthy to be reade Anno. 1497. I haue thought good to set downe Dum fâ—ra flamma tuos Hieroni me pascitur artus Religio sâ—nctas dilaniata câ—mas Fleuit â—t ô dixit crudeles parcite flammae parite sâ—nt isto viscera nostra rogo But to omit this I cannot omit to shew the grosse ignorance of this blinde Papist in saying that these Albingenses began by Tolousa in France the yeare of our Lord 120. I graunt that it is so in the said fiâ—st edition of Sir Thomas Eliotâ— Dictionary and continued in the other editions following But I cannot so much attribute so grosse an ouersight and error to Sir Thomas Eliot being a learned man as to the negligence â—ther of the writer or printer which faulte by them might easely be committed for whereas this number in the said first edition is set downe in these figures 120. they might easely omit the figure in the fourth place So that Maister Eliot setting iâ— downe 1120. they might either write or print 120. But this man of purpose alleaging it might if all his Historicall learning had not beene contained in the sad dictionary haue easely espied and amended this fault for most certaine it is that noe auncient writer neere an 120 yeares after Christ or diuers hundreth yeares after doth make any mention of a people called Albiâ—genses and noted for religon The first mention that I find of them or that this man with al his companions can shew is in the raigne Rob. Gâ—gâ—iâ— lâ—b 6. of Phillip surnamed Augustus King of France who entred into his Kingdome in the yeare of our Lord 1181. Matheus Bâ—roaldus atâ—rybuteth their time to the thirtieth yeare of the said King which was in the yeare 1210. and many popish writers declare that they were persecuted and destroyed by the procurement of Pope Innocent the third who entred into his Papacie in the yeare 1199. This I confesse that as the errours which the Albinggenses impugned and abhorred were not in the yeare of Christ 120. by the Diuell hatched and broched so the true doctrine which they maintained and for the same constantly suffered was then of the faithful professed and before by our Sauiour Christ and his Apostles published But that they were then knowne by this name none but such a blind buzard as this is would euer affirme And such blind guides they deserue to haue to be led by them vnto perdition that wilfully shutte their eyes against the light of Gods truth which might shine to their saluation if their eyes were open to see it their hearts to receiue and beleeue it Concerning them that were called Begardi to whome this man out of lying Prateolus and other mallicious enemies attributeth false and wicked opinions abhorred by vs I will shew what hath and doth moue me to thinke also of them as witnesses of GODS truth I doe nothing doubt but these called by some writers Begardi were the same which others do call Pychardâ— Now what opinions these Pychardâ— did hold Ioannes Slechta Kostelecius a learned Bohaemian and Papist declareth in an epistle to Erasmus in these words Tertia secta est eorum quos Inter epist Erasmus lib. 12. pag 464. scripta 10. Octob. 1519. vocaâ—t Pyghardos c. The third sect is of them whome they call Pyghardi so he writeth them who were so named of a Fugitiue of the same nation Picardie in France that comming hither about 97. yeares past when Iohn Zisca a sacriligeous wicked man made war against the So vntruly hee termeth him ecclesiastical persons and whole Clergie and spoiled their goods this man being ioined to him infected with pestiferous doctrines both the Captaine him-selfe and all the whole armie which he had gathered of theeues murthertherers So they call them but cannot so proue them outlawed and other dregges of wicked men which continued vnto the time of King Vladislaus who of late yeares died and vnder him greatly increased for he being King of Hungary and abiding there more then in Bohemia had small care what was done there so that al his subiects did liue in peace These men did accoumpt the Pope Cardinals Bishoppes and other Ecclesiasticall parsons for manifest Antichristes they called the Pope sometimes the beast and sometimes the whore spoken of in the Apocalips and that they doing all thinges against the Doctrine and tradition of Christ they could doe nothing of any authority or vertue in Gods seruice but that whatsoeuer proceeded from their seruice was neither holy nor sacramentes nor blessings but meere execrations abhominations and curses These men chuse for themselues for Bishops and Priestes Lay men rude and voyd of learning hauing wiues and children they call and salute one an other by the name of brothers and sisters They receiue onely the authority of the old and new Testament of the Scriptures They contemne all old and new Doctors nor attribute any thing to their doctrine Their Priestes when they say Masse doe it without any Priestly garments nor therein vse any praiers besides the Lords praier wherewith they consecrate the bread being leauened They beleeue almost little or nothing of the Sacraments of the Church They that receiue their heresie are caused to be rebaptized in simple water neither blessing salt nor water nor vsing any consecrate oyle They beleeue that the dâ—ity is not in the Sacrament of the Eucharist but affirme that ther is onely bread and wine consecrate representing by certaine sercet signes the death of Christ and that therefore all that bow their knees and kneele before it or worshippe it be Idolaters seeing that Sacrament was not ordained by Christ to any other end but to put vs in remembrance of his passion and not to be carried vp and downe hether and thether nor to be lifted vp of the Priest and shewed to the people because that Christ him-selfe who is to bee adored and worshipped with the worship of Latria sitteth at the right hand of the father as the Church of Christ confesseth in the Creed They accoumpt praiers to Saintes and for the dead to be a vaine and ridiculous thing in like manner Auriculare confession and penance inioyned by Priestes for sinne They affirme vigils and fastes to be but counterfeyt couerings of hypocrites and that the holy daies of the virgin Mary of the Apostles and other Saintes are but the inuention of idle parsons and they onely keepe the Lords daies and the feast of the Natiuitie of Christ of Easter and Whitsontide c. Hetherto the words of
and wherein the true worship and seruice of God according to his will reuealed in his holy word is contained your 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and superstition we flee and forsake Finally we haue that Christ which came Christ 1. Tim. 1. 15. Iohn 1. 29. into this world to saue sinners and which is that Lambe of God that taketh away the sinne of the world whom we acknowledge more soundly to be our onely high prophet Matth. 17. 5. to instruct vs in the will of his father whose onely voyce wee must heare our onely high priest with the sacrifice of his body and bloud once offered to redeeme vs and reconcile vs vnto GOD our onely mediator and intercessor to sitte for euer at the right hand of God to make intercession for vs and our onely high King to deliuer vs out of the hands of our enemies to giue lawes vnto our consciences and to rule vs with the scepter of his holy word then the Pope and all his adherents doe This our true confession where-vnto God and our consciences bee witnesses we oppose to your false and slaunderous obtrectation and accusation saying with Saint Paul Wee passe very 1. Cor. 4. 3. little to bee iudged of you or of mans iudgement and with him also exhort you not to iudge before the time vntill the Lord come who will lighten things that are hid in darkenesse and make the counsels of the hearts manifest and then shall euery man haue praise of God Further I doe exhort you that take vpon you so seuerely to censure and iudge others carefully to take heede to your selues that you haue not a false faith grounded not vpon Gods promises Faith contained in his word but vpon mans deuises and traditions which as Epiphanius saith is worse then no faith Epipha in Anâ—â—rat◠〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and that you bee not voyde of true hope by teaching the doctrine of doubting whereof Hope I shall speake hereafter and by fearing to be after death throwne into the firie torments of purgatorie and that you want not true charitie in iudging so falsely and maliciously Charity and persecuting vs so cruelly as you vse to doe when time and powre serueth you and that you haue no true repentance nor remorse of conscience for sinne in Repentance persisting so obstinately in damnable doctrine and abominable idolatrie and that by leaning to your owne righteousnesse and the merites of other men which were sinners themselues you loose not that true iustification Iustification which is the righteousnesse of GOD by the faith of Iesus Christ vnto all and vpon all that beleeue which is onely Rom. 3. 22. able to stand and discharge vs before the iudgement seate of Iesus Christ and is the onely strong staffe to leane vpon to leap ouer the ditch of damnation and beware I say that you leaning vpon the weake reede of your owne merites and others fall not into the middest thereof from which there is no rising take heede you be not of the malignant Church which heareth not the voice of Christ Church 2. Thessalo 2. and wherein that man of sinne and sonne of perdition sitteth and raigneth and that you haue not such Idolatrous altars as Iereboam had against which the man of God cried and vpon which the like iudgement of God fell Altars 1. King 13. 2 as hath done vpon yours now And that you haue not a false forged sacrifice which appeaseth not but dailie prouoketh Sacrifice Gods wrath against you and that you bee not without Priests to teach the law of God truely but haue Priest Ierem. 2. 8. Malach. 2. 8. swarmes of such Priests as say not where is the Lord and know not GOD but prophesie in Baal which haue gone out of the way and haue caused many to fall by the law c. Beware that you bee not without Religion remembring Religion Lactant. de origi erroris lib. 2 cap 19. Christ August de ciuitate dei lib. 18. cap. 2. the saying of Lactantius Quare non est dubium quin religio nulla sit vbicunque simulachrum est Wherefore there is no doubt but that there is no Religion wheresoeuer an Image is Finally I say againe and againe beware that you forsake not the true Christ and worship Antichrist sitting in the westerne Babylon built vpon seauen hilles which in the daies of Saint Iohn raigned ouer the Apoc. 17. 9. 18 Kings of the earth wherefore bee not so rash in iudging so hardly and vncharitably of others but examine and iudge your selues that you bee not iudged of the Lord. But I now come to your pithie probation of this your vncharitable 1. Cor. 11. 31. 1 and shamelesse assertion The reason you say is For if they haue then the world was without them for a thousand yeares as they themselues must needes confesse videl all the time their Church was eclipsed and for 1500. as wee will prooue by the testimonie of all recordes of antiquitie c. Wherevnto I answere that if wee take the world in that sense which the scripture sometimes doth for the multitude and societie of them Whereof the diuell Ioh. 14 30. 2. Cor. 4. 4 Iob. 15. 18. 19 1. Joh. 5. 19 Ioâ— 17 9 Ioh. 14. 22 is prince which hateth Christ and his true disciples which is set vpon wickednesse for the which our Sauiour Christ refused to pray saying I pray not for the world and whereof Iudas not Iscariot did say what is the cause that thou wilt shew thy selfe to vs and not vnto the world In this sense I may grant that the world hath not had these gifts of Gods grace these thousand yeares and put another thousand and more vnto them But if we take the world more generally for this great Globe and all the inhabitants thereof then prooue by the testimonie of all antiquitie that the doctrine which wee teach and professe hath not beene these 1500. yeares in the world and wee will yeeld and you shall winne the victorie But it is vsuall with you and your fellowes to make great and braue bragges to amaze the simple and ignorant and to bring small and poore proofes as you doe here none at all to perswade the wise and learned great braggers are no great doers In deede wee confesse that the Church is well compared by Saint Augustine to the Moone For as the August in Psa 10 Moone receiueth her light from the Sunne so doth the true Church receiue her light from Iesus Christ the sonne Malach. â— 2 of righteousnesse And as the Moone is sometimes in the full and shineth in full brightnesse and sometimes is in the waine and sometimes is eclipsed and doth little appeare euen so the Church is sometimes in the full and shineth in full brightnes and glory as in the Apostles times and diuers hundreth yeares after it did sometimes it is in the waine and eclipsed as for many
downe in holy writ what there is deliuered that they beleeue what there is cōcealed lieth without the circumference of their beliefe Alas poore ignorance What heretike beleeueth not so much certainly few or none so that by this means al damned hereticks which beleeue the scriptures beleeue alike and they beleeue as much as our Protestants and ours no more then they But the Protestant will replie that hee beleeueth the Scripture in a true sense truely expounded and all other heretikes in an erronious sense and falsely interpreted And they will say as much of their Religion and beleefe and hold you◠exposition hereticall and theirs orthodoxall Againe are you not bound to beleeue the canticles or song of Salomon as a part of your faith and where finde you in the scriptures deliuered that such a booke is Gods word and as such an one ought by faith to bee beleeued That Sunday should bee kept holy-daie and Saterdaie the Iewes Saboth prophained in Gods word is not reuealed and yet by Protestants beleeued Moreouer to beleeue whatsoeuer is contained in the scripture is a generall confused folded implicitie faith when wee demaund what a man is bound to beleeue wee aske what hee is obliged to beleeue expresly distinctlie explicitlie To beleeue all the scripture distinctly explicitly cannot bee preformed by all Protestants since it supposeth a perfect and distinct knowledge of all the scripture wherevnto neuer mortall man attained the Apostles perhaps excepted Some will limit their beleefe to their creed saying that nothing ought to be beleeued which is not in the Apostles creed But then I would demaund of them whether that wee ought to beleeue that the scripture is the word of God that baptisme is a sacrament that in the Eucharist is the bodie of Christ by faith to what article should these be reduced seeing they are not contained in the creed or how shall we know infallibly how these be matters of faith since they are not contained in the creed others denie some articles of their creed also for the Protestants denie three articles of our creed and the puritans fiue The first is the Catholike Church Credo ecclesiam sanctam Catholicam I beleeue the holie Catholike Church the which in very Math. 26. Isa 60. deede they doe not beleeue because Catholike is vniuersall and so the Church of Christ which wee are bound to beleeue must bee vniuersall for all time comprehending all ages and vniuersall for place comprehending all nations but that Church which the Protestants beleeue was interrupted all the ages betwixt the Apostles and Luther which was 1400. yeares or in verie deed was neuer seene before Luthers daies therefore that Church they beleeue cannot bee Catholike Neither is it vniuersali in place beeing contained within the narrow bounds of England which is accompted but as a corner of the world for the Lutherans in Germanie the Hugonotes in France and the Gues in Flanders detest their Religion as much as the Catholikes neither will they ioyne issue with them in diuers essentiall points And therefore the Protestants Church which they beleeue can no more be called Catholike or vniuersall then England the vniuersall world or Kent the Kingdome of England or apruned bough a whole tree or a dead singer a man or a rotten tooth the whole head The second article is the communion of Saints the which they many waies deny First by not beleeuing that Christ hath instituted seauen Sacraments wherein the Saints of the Church communicate and especiallie the true and real presence of our Sauiour Christ in the Eucharist by which all the faithfull receiuers participating of 1. Cor. 01. 17. one the self same body are made one bodie as all the partes of a mans bodie are made one liuing thing by participating one soule Secondly they deny the communion of the Church militant Gen. 48. v. 16. Apoca. 1. v. 4. and triumphant by exclaiming against inuocation of Saints by which holy exercise the blessed Saints in heauen and wee in earth communicate we by prayer glorifying them and they by meditation obtaining our request Thirdly they deny the communion of the Church militant and the soules in purgatory bereauing them of that Christian charitie which charitable compassion and merciful pitty requireth and by natural affection the members of one body helpe one another The third article is remission of sinnes for they acknowledge no such effect in the Sacrament of Baptisme but onely count it as an external signe or seale of a prereceiued grace or fauor of God Ad Tit. 3. by his external predestination against the expresse word of God which therefore calleth this Sacrament the lauer of regeneration Ioh. 20. for that in it the soule dead by sinne is newly regenerate by grace Moreouer they allow not the Sacrament of pennance wherein all actuall sinnes committed after Baptisme are cancelled that which exceedeth all in absurditie is to deny that our sinnes are all perfectly forgiuen but onely not imputed and as it were veiled or couered with the passion of Christ all the botches and biles the filth and abhomination of sinne still remaining and as it were exhaling a most pestiferous sent in the sight of God for let them shift themselues as they list and scarfe their sores according to their fancies yet no veile nor mantell can couer their deformitie of sinne from the piercing eyes of Jo◠8. ver 24. Ioh. 16. v. 13. And D. Bu◠ley contendeth to proue it in his answer to this article albeit he vnderstandeth not the reason here alledged for if he did hee were to absurd to deny it Isa 66. ver 24. Gods perfect vnderstanding from which nothing can be concealed Fourthly the Puritanes in effect deny that Christ is the Sonne of God for they peremptorily affirme that Christ is God of himselfe and not God of God So that he receiued not his diuinitie from his father The which position flatly taketh away the nature of a sonne for the nature of a sonne is to receiue his substance of his Father and it implyeth contradiction that the Sonne receiueth his person of his Father and not his substance and essence for the substance of God is essentiall to euery person in trinitie Fiftly finally they deny the descension of Christ into hell and desperately defend that he suffered the Paines of hell vpon the Crosse wherby they blaspheme most horribly that sacred humanitie as if Christ had dispaired of his saluation as if God had hated him and he had hated God Marke 9. 48. Math. 25. 41. as if he had bene afflicted and tormented with anguish of mind for his offences for which he was depriued of the sight of God and eternally to be depriued all which horrible punishments are especially included in the paines of Hell and whosoeuer ascribeth them to Christ blasphemeth more horribly then Arius who denied him to God for lesse absurditie it were to deny him to be God then to make
an Heretike for all Heretikes doe as much But Maister T. W. for I will not misname you by H. T. dic sodes tell vs in sooth and sadnesse Do Heretikes beleeue the scriptures I in my poore ignorance haue heretofore thought that Heretikes beleeued erronious and false doctrines repugnant and contrary to the scriptures and that therevpon this argument would haue holden water viz. that they which beleeue false doctrines doe not beleeue the holie Scriptures which containe nothing but new doctrine but Heretikes beleeue false doctrines ergo they beleeue not the holie Scriptures Tell vs also will Heretikes haue the sphere of their faith extended solie and wholie to the worde of GOD set downe in holy writ Then this saying of Tertullian which in my poore ignorance I haue thought that neuer any misliked vnlesse hee were an Heretike will not goe for currant Aufer deniquae haereticis c. Take away from Heretikes Tertul. deresurrect carnis whatsoeuer the Ethnikes haue thought and taught that they may trie their questions Onelie by the Scriptures and they cannot stand For how can this bee that they which beleeue the Scriptures cannot stand if their doctrines bee tried onely by the scriptures But you will say that Heretikes professe that they beleeue the scriptures But is this all one with you for Heretikes to profeâ—â—e the beleefe of the scriptures and in Tiâ— 1. 16. deede to beleeue them Saint Paul saith that some professe to know GOD and by workes do denie him Some also professed themselues to bee Iewes that is to say worshippers Apoca. 2. 9. of GOD as you doe now professe yourselues to bee Catholikes and some to bee of the societie of Iesus when both they were and you are the synagogue and of the societie of sathan Some professed themselues to bee Iohn 8. 39. 40. the Children of Abraham which did not the workes of Abraham but their faither was the diuell as our Sauiour Christ told them Euen so Heritikes may professe Psal 44. that they beleeue the Scriptures when indeede they beleeue them not but reiect the truth of them and beleeue false and damnable doctrines repugnant vnto them Heretikes bee theeues which endeuor to steale away the truth from the people of whom Saint Chrysostome saith Qâ—i sacra non vtitur scriptura sed ascendit aliunde Chrysost in Iorm hom 58. idest non concessa via fur est Hee is a theefe that vseth not the scripture hee saith not that beleeueth the scripture but clymeth into the sheepefold by an other way which is not allowed Of the true sense and exposition of the Scripture I haue intreated at large before Onely now I will ioyne this issue with you vpon these words of Saint Hierome recorded 24. Quaest 3. Haeâ—sis by Gratian in the decrees Quicunque aliter scripturam intelligit c. Whosoeuer expoundeth the scripture otherwaies then the sense of the Holie Ghost by whome it was written doth require although hee haue not departed from the Church yet hee may bee called an Heretike Let them with good will of vs and you that shall soundlie bee prooued to expound the Scriptures other-waies then the sense of the Holie Ghost requireth bee called accounted condemned and punnished Heritikes yea your Expositions bee so false and for ours true that some Papists and euen some of your sweete bretheren the Iesuites are forced by the euidence of Apa Cathel part 2 lib. 5. cap. 17. 18. 19. c. truth to forsake yours and to approoue ours as M. D. Morton hath learnedly and largely declared What you or any other Heretikes say of our Religion beleefe and expositions wee little regard as long as you cannot prooue them to bee hereticall and wee are by the worde of GOD well assured that they bee orthodoxall As touching the book of the Canticles of Sollomon we by the Scriptures doe beleeue that it is the worde of God Saint Paule speaking of the Scripture contained in the canonicall bookes of the old Testament and receiued by the Church of Israell saith that the whole Scripture is inspired of God But this booke of the Canticles was with the other books both of Sollomâ—n and of the rest of the old Testament receiued by the Church of Israell therefore by Saint Paules 2 Tim. 3. 16. iudgement it was inspired of God and so consequently the worde of God as well as others But if we did ioyne herein either with some wicked Anabaptistes now or with some old Hertikes heretofore who haue denied this book to be of the Canon of the Scripture as Phylastrius writeth some did whose opinion we abhorre yet from this particular Jn Catall cap. 133. you could not inferre the proofe of your article being generall that the Protestants know not what they beleeue But herein you do as soundly and substantially reason as Bellarmine and others of you do that because the Enuch did not vnderstand that obscure propheticall speech of Isaias which hee was reading when Philip came to him therefore hee vnderstood nothing in the Prophet Isaias Yea and that all the Scripture is so hard and obscure that it is not expedient for the lay people to read it Concerning the alteration of the Sabbath wee gather by the Scriptures and thereby do beleeue that it was made by the Apostles 1. Cor. 16. 2. Apoca. 1. 10. As your owne fellowes of Rhemes in their annotations vpon these places do confesse And therefore the Sabbath we now obserue is warranted by the Scriptures As for that idle speech of yours of generall and perticuler beleeuing thinges in the Scripture little pertinent to the proofe of your article I answer briefly that although neither all Protestants nor Papistes haue perfect and distinct knowldge of all the Scripture Yet God hath so manifestly expressed therein all thinges needfull to our saluation that it is a most perfect rule of faith and life as is before out of Beda alledged although some men blinded by sinne and mallice do not see them no more then men blinde in body see the cleare light of the Sunne nor doe rightly vse this right rule giuen of God vnto them Chrisostome saith Quaecunquâ— necessâ—ria sunt manifesta sunt Whatsoeuer In 2 Thess Hom. 3. thinges are necessary are manifest Againe Scripturae et seruâ— c. The Scriptures are easie to bee vnderstood both of seruants and misticall people of widdowes In Math. Hom. 1. and boyes and to him that is very Ignorant And whereas you would haue the Councels Doctors and Church the rule of our faith and life bring such like plaine places out of the Scriptures and Doctors for the proofe of it then we wil yeeld vnto you As touching the Apostles creed we acknowledge it to be a briefe abridgement of the especiall and principal points of Christian faith doctrine yet there bee some truthes which are not particularly expressed in the same But whereas you say or rather falsely slaunder that the
Protestants deny three articles of our creed and the Puritanes fiue I say that you affirme much and proue little But first you might well ynough haue forborne this distinction of Protestants Puritanes for although some haue differd in some outward matters concerning ceremonies externall orders in the Church yet these all greatly agree and consent in all points of the doctrine of faith and Articles of Christian Religion Neither do I know any that deserue so well of this name of Puritanes as you who glory that you after Baptisme bee pure from all sinne and for actuall sinnes after committed can make so full satisfaction to God for them that hee can request no more of you as hereafter I will shew and therefor it is you that may well be called Puritanes of whome that saying of Sollomon may be well verified There is a generation that are pure in their owne conceit and yet are not washed from their filthines Prou 30. But let vs come to the examination of your proofe of this your absurd and slaunderous assertion The first you fay is the Catholike Church Credo Ecclesiam sanctam Catholicam doe wee deny this Article Why doe wee then not onely print it and rehearse it in our Creed but also expound it in our preachings and Catechising I haue said before that which may seeme sufficient concerning this matter andd article yet the better to satisfie the Christian Reader and to stop the mouth of this malicious accuser I say againe that by the holy Catholike Church mentioned in the Creede is ment the company of all Gods elected and faithfull people whome he calleth iustifieth and sanctifieth to be vessels of his mercy and heires of his kingdome of glory which is the body of Christ and he the head the spouse of Christ and he the bridegrome the house of Christ and he the foundation the flocke of Christ and hee the shepehard And this Church wee confesse to bee Catholike that is to say vniuersall both in respect of time for that it consisteth of all them that are written in the booke of life which haue bene from the beginning of the world and shall be to the end thereof and also of place for that it is not now contained in any one country Act. â—o 35. but as S. Peter saith In euery nation be that feareth God and worketh righteousnes is accepted with him and is a true meÌ„ber of this Catholike church That this is the holy Catholike Church which we confesse and beleeue wherof the prophane wicked hypocrites and reprobates bee no part besides that which I haue said before I will further proue it by the holy Scriptures and ancient Fathers Saint Paul saith Let vs follow the truth in loue and in all things grow vp Ephes 4. 15. vnto him which is the head that is Christ by whom all the body being coupled and knit together by euery ioynt for the furniture thereof according to the effectuall power which is in the measure of euery part receiueth increace of the body vnto the edifying of it sefe in loue Againe Christ loued â—he Church Chap. 5. 25. and gaue himselfe for it that be might sanctifie it and clense it by the washing of water through the word that he might make it to him selfe a glorious Church not hauing spot or wrinkle or any such thing but that it should be holy and without blame These things belong onely to the elect people of God who shall raigne with him in his eternall kingdome of glory For they onely be the body of Christ knit together in him sanctified here to bee without spot or blemish hereafter The Apostle to the Hebrues saith Whose house we are if we Heb. 3. 6. hold fast that confidence and that reioycing of hope vnto the end Where he sheweth that they belong to the house of God which is the Church of the liuing God the pillar and 1. Timth 3. 15 stay of truth which vnto the end hold fast their confident faith and hope of Gods glory wherof they reioyce which belongeth onely to the faithfull and chosen children of God This is that Church whereof he speaketh after But Heb. 12. 22. ye are come vnto the mount Sion and to the citty of the liuing God the celestiall Ierusalem and to the company of innumerable Angels and to the assembly and congregation of the first borne which are written in heauen and to God the Iudge of all and to the spirits of iust and perfect men To whom can these Galat. 4. things pertaine but onely to the Ierusalem which is aboue the mother of vs all which is the holy Catholike Church that we beleeue Hereunto I will adde a few sayings of the Fathers Saint Augustine saith Corpus huius capitis Ecclesiaest non quae hoc loco est sed quae hoc loco pertotum orbem terrarum nec August in Psal 81. illa quae hoc tempore sed ab ipso Abel vsque ad eos qui nascituri sunt vsque in finem credituri in ChristuÌ„ totus populus sanctorum ad vnam ciuitatem pertinentium quae ciuitas corpus est Christi cui caput est Christus The body of this head is the Church not which is in this place only but that which is in this place through the whole would neither that Church which is at this time but that of them which from Abel shall be borne vnto the end and shall beleeue in Christ eueÌ„ the whole company of Saints pertaining to one citty which city is the body of Christ wherof Christ is the head And in another place Ille caput est nos membra sumus tota ecclesia quae vbique diffusa est corpus ipsius est cuius Idem in Psa 62 est ipse caput Non solum qutem fideles quâ— modo sunt sed qui fuerunt ante nos qui post nos futuri sunt vsque in finem seculi omnes adcorpus eius pertinent cuius corporis ipse caput est qui ascendit in coelum He is the head wee are his members the whole Church which is dispersed euery where is his body whereof he is the head And not onely the faithfull which be now but also they which haue beene before vs and which shall be after vs vnto the end of the world all pertaine to his bodie of which bodie hee which hath Idem de Catech rud c. 20. ascended into heauen is the head Againe Caelestis Hierusalem ciues sunt omnes saâ—ctificati homines qui fuerunt qui sunt qui futuri sunt All sanctified men which haue beene which are and which shall bee Citizens of the heauenly Ierusalem Cyprian saith Ecclesia nunquam à Cyprian lib. 1. epist 3. Christo discedit ii sunt ecclesia qui in domo Dei pâ—rmanent The Church neuer departeth from Christ and they bee the Church which continue in the house of God Againe Jdem de
vnitate ecclesie Adulterari non potest sponsa Christi incorrupta est puaica vnam domum nouit vnius cubiculi sanctitatem casto pudore custodit Haec nos Deo seruat haec filios regno quos generauit assignat The spouse cannot bee defiled shee is vncorrupt and chast shee knoweth one house and keepeth with chast shamefastnesse the holinesse of one chamber she keepeth vs to God she assigneth the children whome shee hath borne vnto this kingdome Saint Hierome saith Ipsa Hieron in Iob cap. 28. ecclesiae quae est Sanctorum omnium congregatio pro aeterna sibi in Domino stabilitate columna fundamentum dicitur veritatis The Church which is the congregation of all Saints by reason of her eternall stedfastnes in God is called Chrysost in Ps Hom. 114. the pillar and ground of truth Chrysostome saith Ecclesia est tabernaculum à Deo fixum non ab homine ab vno lcco in alium fugit sed non à pietate ad impietatem fugit The Church is the tabernacle which God hath pight and not man shee flieth from one place to another but she neuer flieth from Ambros in Ephes cap. 1 Godlines to impietie and wickednes Ambrose Apostolus omnem ecclesiam dicens summatim totum comprehendit quod in coelo est in terra The Apostle meaning all the Church briefly comprehendeth the whole which is both in heauen Bern. in Cant. serm 78. Clem Alexand. Strom. lib. 7. pag. 35. Bedain Cant. 6. and in earth Ternaâ—d saith Electi Dei sunt ecclesia Dei The elect of God be the Church of GOD. So saith Clemens Alexandrinus Non nunc locum sed electorum congregationem appello ecclesiam I call not now the place the Church but the congregation of the elect So saith Beda vna est columba perfecta mea vna est inquit catholica elâ—ctorum omnium multitudo peromnia et mundi Loca et tempora seculorum deo patri subiecta 1. my perfect doue is one hee saith that there is one Catholike multitude of all the elect by all both places of the world and ages of times subiect to God the father Yea Friar Lyra saith Lyra in Mat. 16. Ex quo patet quod ecclesia non consistat in hominibus ratione potestatis vell dignitatis ecclesiasticae vel secularis quia multi principaes summi pontifices alii inferiores inuenti sunt apostatasse à fide propter quod ecclesia consistit in illis personis in quibus est notitia vera et confessio fidei et veritatis Whereby it appeareth that the Church consisteth not in men in respect of their ecclesiasticall or secular power or dignitie for many Princes and Popes and others of lower Popes Apostates degree haue bene found to haue bene Apostates and to haue fallen away from the faith Wherefore the Church consisteth in those persons in whome is true knowledge and the confession of faith and truth So saith the Fryar Alphonsus de castro Ecclesia ex omnibus fidelibus constat Aduers Hares lib. 1. cap. 5. fol. 11. non solum presentibus verumetiam preteritis et in posterum futuris 1. The Church consisteth of al the faithful not onely them that bee now present but also heretofore haue bene and hereafter shall be This is that holy Catholike Church which wee in the Creed confesse and beleeue euen the whole number of them whom God hath elected and chosen to eternall life whom God hath had in all ages and of all nations Of which Church euery true and faithfull man and woman must beleeue him-selfe to bee a true and liuely member whereof hee may bee assured if hee finde and feele that GOD hath lightened his minde with the knowledge of his truth hath wrought in his heart an vnfained faith to trust in his mercies and to beleeue that his sinnes be forgiuen him for Christes names sake and that God hath sanctified his soule and body to hate sinne and to haue a care and conscience to serue him in true holines righteousnes all the eaies of his life This being our confession and bâ— liefe with what conscience truth can this man say that the Church which the Protestants beleeue hath been interrupted al the ages betwixt the Apostles and Luther and in very deed was neuer seene before Luthers daies or that we imagine the same to bee comprehended within the narrow bounds of England I can say no more but that a false witnes shall Prouerbe 19. 5. not be vnpunished and he that speaketh lyes shall not escape But now lette vs see what this man and his fellowes hold beleeue and call the Catholike Church forsooth the companie of all them that receiue and professe the religion and doctrine of the Church of Rome submit themselues to be ruled and gouerned by the Bishop Pope of Rome They that do not this be Heretikes Schismatikes out of Noahs Arke and out of the Catholike Church And herevpon it followeth that the Christians in Graecia Muscouia Armenia Ethiopia c. where Christianitie hath continued vnto this day and among whom no doubt but some haue been of Gods elect and chosen people yet bee they no Catholikes nor of the Catholike Church nor in the state of saluation and why because they neither haue been nor be subiect to the Pope of Rome For so it is with many words sollemnely defined determined by that holy Pope Bonniface the 8. Subesse Roman opontifici omni humanae creaeturae Extra de maior obedien unaÌ„ sanctam declaramus dicimus definimus pronuntiamus omnino esse de necessitate salutis that is We declare say define and pronounce that it is altogither of necessitie of saluation to be subiect to the Pope of Rome Where the Glosse helpeth out the matter with these wordes Quicquid saluatur est sub Gloss ibidem summo ponitfice Whatsoeuer is saued is vnder the Pope And on the other side All they that professe the religion of Rome and submit them-selues to the Bishop thereof bee Catholikes and of the Catholike Church how prophane wicked or vngodly soeuer they be Pope Iohn the 8. the whore Iohn the 12. or as some reckon him the 13. who was an adulterer and of two Cardinals did cut out the tongue of the one the hand of the other and at dice-play would call vppon the Diuell and made the Pallace of Laterane a stewes of strumpets as Luithprand lib. 6. cap. 7. Luithprandus Ticinensis writeth Syluester the second a coniurer who gaue himselfe to the Diuell to be made Pope Gregorie the 7. a coniurer and monster Bonniface the 7. Platina in Syluest 2. who robbed Saint Peters Church and put out the eyes of Iohn a Cardinal Bonniface the 8. who entred into his Popedome like a foxe raigned like a wolfe and died like a dog Jdem Alexander the sixt Iulius the second and al they whome
Platina calleth monstra portenta monsters and wonders Platina for their wickednesse were not onely Catholikes but also heads of this Catholike Church And he that married as I said before his owne sister and Ferdinando a king Naples who married his Aunt king Philip of Spaine that married Phil. Comiueus his Neece because they did see these things by the dispensations alowing of holy Popes of Rome were Catholkes and good sonnes of the Catholike Church Now whether of these doctrines concerning this article of our faith I beleeue the holy Catholike Church be the sounder truer let the Christian reader vprightly iudge I doubt not but wisdome Math. 11. shall be iustified of her children And whereas you would make men beleeue that the Church whereof wee are is contained within the narrow boundes of England and that the Lutherans in Germanie the Hugonotes in France and the Gues in Flanders as you tearme them will not ioyne issue with vs in diuers essentiall pointes of Religion you doe to the offending of God and deceiuing of your ignorant reader vtter two notorious vntruths For we as I haue said before confesse our selues to bee members of that holy Catholike Church which hath beene in all ages and is dispersed ouer the world and we haue communion and fellowshippe with all them in all nations that feare God and obey his truth especially in the fundamentall Doctrines of Religion aâ—d saluation But how doe you truely confesse the Church to be Catholike that is vniuersall comprehending all nations in restraining it to the religion and subiection of the Pope of Rome and so consequently to a small part of Europe vnlesse you will now of late adde the West Indians where the Spaniards haue committed moe horrible murthers then they haue made good proselytes And what an improper speech it is that you cal the Church of Rome the Catholik church as if a man shold cal the church of Corinth or Ephesus the Catholike that is the vniuersall Church which if they were holy are but members of the Catholike Church This is therefore that which you vntruly attribute to vs to call England the vniuersall world or Kent the kingdome of England c. But the Church of Rome now committing fornication with stocks and stones is so farre from being the Catholike Church that it is no true member thereof as M. Doctor Raynolds hath learnedly proued Which short Thesis being published in latine about twenty sixe yeares past and in English nineteene yeares yet to the shame of all Papists standeth to this day vnconfuted although it tendeth to the cutting of the throate of their religion and ouerthroweth the maine pillar thereof And that these whom you contemptuously cal Lutherans Hugonotes and Gues do dissent from vs in essentiall points of religion you may easily affirme but shall neuer be able to proue Some indeed in Germany whome you call Lutherans do dissent from vs in one point concerning the Sacrament of Christs body and bloud howbeit you cannot be ignorant but that many Churchs and countries in Germany ioyne with vs in that matter And let the reader reade and examine the confessions of faith set out by the Churches in France and in the low countries and they shall see both how great their agreement in Doctrine is with vs and also what a shamelesse slaunder this is which this authour hath acording to his accustomed maner auouched but not proued And moreouer I will offer this issue to this man who thinketh so highly of him-selfe that whereas he shall proue that there is dissension among vs in one essentiall point of religion and doctrine I will proue that there is in three at the least among them And this much for this article The second article of the communion of Saints you say we many waies denie First by not beleeuing that Christ hath instituted seauen Sacraments wherein the Saints of his Church coÌ„municate But why do not you bring some plaine proofe that our Sauiour Christ iustituted these seauen Sacraments seeing you say that the denying of them is the deniall of this Article of our faith Saint Paul going about to terrifie the Christians of Corinth from going to idolatrous feasts by the example of Gods fearefull iudgements and plagues poured vpon the Israelites for the like sinnes to preuent an obiection which the Christians of Corinth might haue made that the Israelits were not the Children of God so much as they and had not such Sacraments of Baptisme and of Christs supper as they had and therefore God would not deale so hardly with them as hee did with the Israelites to take away I say this obiection he sheweth that they were Gods people as well as the Christians of Corinth were and had the same sacraments in substance that we haue For the Fathers were vnder that cloud and all passed through the sea and were all baptized by Moses in 1. Cor. 10. 1 that cloud and in that sea and did all eate the same spirituall meat and did all drinke the same spirituall drinke for they dranke of the spirituall rocke that followed them and the rocke was Christ Where Saint Paul making mention of the Sacraments which are tokens of Gods grace and markes of his people nameth but these two Baptisme and Christs supper Saint Augustine also writing of the Sacraments whereby Christ hath tied his people together maketh mention but of the same two in these words Primum itaque tenere volo quod est huius disputationis caput dominuÌ„ nostrum Iesum Christum sicut ipse in Euangelio loquitur Leui August ad Ianuar Epist 108. iugo suo nos subdidisse sarcinae leuâ— vnde sacramentis numero paucissimis obseruatione facillimis significatione praestantissimis societatem noui populi colligauit sicut est baptismus Trinitatis nomine consecratus communicatio corporis sanguâ—â—is ipsius si quid aliud in scripturis canonicis commeÌ„datur c. 1. First therfore I would haue thee hold that which is the head of this disputation that our Lord Iesus Christ hath as hee speaketh in the Gospell put vs vnder his easie yoke light burthen wherevpon he hath bound togither the society and communion of his people by Sacraments in number fewest in obseruation easiest in signification most excellent as is baptisme consecrated in the name of the Trinity the communion of his body bloud if there be any thing els commended in the canonicall scriptures The like he writeth in his 3. booke de doctor Christiana cap. 9. by the which it appeareth that he thought these two Sacraments to be sufficient for faithfull Christians to communicate in And if he had acknowledged any mo it is maruel yâ— writing of purpose of theÌ„ he did not name them yet S. Augustine did not deny this article of the coÌ„munion of Saints Bessarion a Cardinall of Rome a learned man dissenteth Bessar de Sacram Eucharistia froÌ„ you saith Haec duo
sola sacrameÌ„ta in EuaÌ„gelio manifestè tradita legimus i We read that these only 2. sacraments are plainely deliuered to vs in the Gospell yet did hee not deny this article of faith Your owne doctor Alexander de Hales flatly affirmeth yâ— neither Christ nor his Apostles did Alexand. de Halis par quest â—4 men 1. institute ordain the Sacrament of Confirmation but yâ— it was afterward ordained in the councel called Meldense yet he denied not this article And therfore you ouershot your self in saying that they which beleeue not yâ— Chtist did institue 7. sacraments deny this article of faith The coÌ„munion of Saints But to proceed with you concerning the true reall presence of Christ in the Eucharist we deny the same not to the faith of the godly worthy receiuer but to the mouth teeth of the carnal eater We beleeue say that Christs body bloud in as much as they were offred vpon the crosse for our redeÌ„ption are the spiritual food of our soules without which wee can neither liue vnto God heare nor liue with God hereafter and that the same is offred to vs partly in the promises of the Gospel partly in the sacrameÌ„ts of Baptisme Christs supper is in both appreheÌ„ded of vs by faith without which neither the word nor Sacraments can profit vs. But here I must put you in mind that you corruptly alleage a place of S. Paul 1. Cor. 10. 17. foisting in this word Body for Bread S. Paules words be thus we that are many are one bread and one body because we are partakers of one bread This shifting of the words of the holy Ghost is too vsual with your companions Bounderius a Louaine Frier alleaging Compend concept titul 21. act the words of Saint Paul in the next chapter verse 27. Quicunque manducauerit panem hunc c. Hee that eateth this bread c. putteth out the word panem and foisteth in the word carnem flesh alleaging it thus Qui manducat carnem bibet calicem Domini indigne c. He that eateth the flesh drinketh the cup of the Lord vnworthily c. D. Harding in his confutation of the Apology intreating Confut. Apolo cap. 16. diuis 1 of Purgatory alleaging the words of S. Paul 2. Cor. 7. 1. to proue satisfaction for sinnes by that fained fire putteth out Sanctification and in place thereof putteth Satisfâ—tation alleaging it thus making perfect satisfaction in the feare of God Cardinall Hosius changeth the words of Saint Paul alleaging them thus Neque ferre possunt vt per verbum Deisigno Consâ— Petri 10 cap. 13. crucis vlla creatura sanctificetur They cannot abide that any creature should bee sanctified by the word of God and signe of the crosse Hee putteth out prayer and putteth in the signe of the Crosse as a more holy thing The foresaid Bunderius doth most shamefully alleage a Ibid titul 3. 0. arti 5. place of the Apostlein this sort Nam si cinis vâ—tâ—lae conspersas populum sanctificauit atque mundauit quantò magis aqua sale conspersa diuinis precibus sacrata poulum sanctificat atque mundat If the ashes of an heifer sprinkled haue sanctified and cleansed the people how much more shall water sprinkled with salt being hallowed with diuine prayers sanctifie and cleanse the people c. The words of the Apostle bee these If the bloud of bulles and goats and Heb. 9. 13. the ashes of an heifer sprinkling them that are vncleane sanctifieth as touching the purifying of the flesh how much more shall the bloud of Christ which through the eternal spirit offered himselfe without fault to God purge your conscience from dead workes to serue the liuing God Is not this horrible handling of Gods word and blasphemous attributing that to their salt water which is proper and peculiar to the bloud of Christ I could shew in like manner how they haue clipped the coine of Gods word in leauing out words of purpose which serue not their turne but I will omit them only this I say yâ— if they which counterfet clip the kings coine deserue haÌ„ging what do they deserue yâ— counterfeit clip the word of the eternall God king of all kings but corrupt doctrine caÌ„not be maintained without corruptioÌ„ of Gods word But to returne to S. Pauls place he there disswadeth the Christians of Corinth from going to Idolatours feasts by a reason taken from the supper of our Sauiour Christ shewing that as the faithfull by eating that bread which there is broken and drinking that Cup are made partakers of Christ Iesus so they that did eate those feasts ordained to the honoring of Idols were partakers of Idolatrie there committed or rather of the Diuell that was there serued And as the faithfull by being partakers of that bread haue communion togither and bee made one body to wit the mysticall body of Christ so they that receiue those Idol bankets haue communion together and shew themselues to be of one bodie videl of the Diuil Now as there needed no transubstantiation of the one no more there doth for the other Also this bread which Saint Paul calleth the coÌ„munion of the body of Christ is broken yet I trust they wil not say that Christs body is broken although Pope Nicholas De consecra distinct 2. Eâ—o Berenga caused that excellent man Berengarius so to confesse But of the grosse and absurd doctrine of transubstantiation I will speake no more at this present You say moreouer that wee deny the communion of the Chuch militant and triumphant by exclaming against inuocation of Saintes by which holie exercise those blessed Saints in Heauen and wee in earth communicate wee by praier glorifying them and they by meditation I thinke it should bee mediation obtayning our requests Herevnto I answere first that this inuocation of Saints is vnlawfull and cannot bee prooued by the holie Scriptures And this offer I do make you that if you can bring one plaine place out of all the holy scriptures wherein it was euer commaunded or of any faithfull man or woman vsed I will yeeld vnto you not onely in this but also in matters of Religion You quote in your margent Genes 48. 16. and Apoca. 1. 4. which make asmuch for proouing inuocation of Saintes as Tityre tu patule doth The words of the place of Genesis be these The Angell which hath deliuered mee from all euill blesse the children and let my name bee called or named vpon them and the name of my fathers Abraham Isaac that they may grow as fish into a multitude in the midst of the earth Out of this place the Papists take two arguments to proue praier to Angels and to Saints The first out of these words The Angell which hath deliuered me c. The other out of those let my name be called vpon them c. But yet let the reader note this that of the Papists some doe finde
the one saying and some the other so weake that some alledge the one and some the other and I haue not read any one that doth vse them both T W. in a discourse of this matter alledged the former words of the Angell and Ecchius the latter To the which I will briefly answer By the Angel is ment Iesus Christ the Angell of the couenant as Malachie calleth him and the Angell of the great councell of God So doth Aloisius Lipomanus that great Catholike Bishop of Verona both out of Cyrillus and of him-selfe expound it in these Cyrillus Alois Lipoma catena in Genes 48. words Cyrillus Iacob pueris benedicens deum paâ—rem nutrientem se Angelum liberantem nominat illum nempe Angelum qui Angelus magni consilij ab Esaia dicitur quia omnis benedictio omnis gratia non aliter quà m à deo per Iesum Christum in homines descendit ConsideraÌ„dum quòd dictio hagoel vel redimens vel qui redimit propriè reddi potest quo loquendi modo clarissimè filius dei mundi generalis redemptor denotatur Et si diâ—igenter aduerseris tacitè propheta domini sanctissimam inuocat trinitatem patrem scilicet spiritum S. sub nomine dei bis repititi vnigenitum verò dei filiuÌ„ sub nomine Angeli Angelum verò intelligit redemptorem verbum diuinum saluatorem nostrum vel auxilij aispensationis diuinae ministrum ipse inquam ille benedicat pueris istis That is Cyrill Iacob blessing thy children doth name God both the father which did nourish him and the Angell which did deliuer him to wit that Angell whom Esay calleth the Angell of great counsell because all blessing and all grace descendeth no other wayes from God vpon men but by Iesus Christ Wee must consider that the word Hagoel may bee translated either redeeming or he that redeemeth by which phrase of speech the sonn of God the generall redeemer of the worlde is most manifestly signified and if thou dilligently marke thou maist perceiue that the prophet in secret sort calleth vpon the most holy Trinitie to wit the father and the holy Ghost vnder the name of God twise repeated and the onely begotten sonne of GOD vnder the name of the Angell For by the Angell he vnderstandeth the redeemer the word of GOD our Sauiour or the minister of GODS helpe and dispensation euen he I say blesse these children Hitherto Lipomanus who with that ancient Father Cyrill truely vnderstand by this angell Iesus Christ and not any other ministring spirit or created Angell And therefore this place proueth the inuocation of Christ but not of other Angels By the other words Let my name be called vpon them c. Iacob meant nothing else but that Manasses and Ephraim Iosephs sonnes should bee counted amongst his sonnes to make vp the twelue tribes of Israel And euen so Frier Lyra doth Lyra in 48. cap Genes truely expound it in these words Inuocetur super eos nomen meum quia vocati sunt filij adoptiue Iacob facti sunt capita duarum tribuum sicut alij filij Iacob that is Let my name be called vpon them because they were called the adopt sonnes of Iacob and were made the heads of two tribes as were his other sonnes This phrase of speech is so vsed in other places of Scripture as Isa 41. In that day seuen women shall lay hold of one man saying we will eate our owe bread and we will weare our owne garments onely let thy name be called vpon vs and take away our reproch Whereby is meant that hee should bee their husband and they counted and called his wiues The like phrase is 2. Sam. 12. 28. Hierem. 7. 10. c. And therefore that this exposition of this place whereby they go about to proue inuocation of Saints is a priuat and false exposition any man may easily perceiue And this is the more euident for that some great Papists are forced to confesse that inuocation of Saints is not commended nor commaunded in all the Scriptures There is one Francis Hamilton a Scot a Papist and fugitiue prior of S. Iames at Herbipolis in Gemany who in a discourse concerning inuocation of Saints writeth thus Porro libenter hîc concedimus disertis scripturarum verbis ipsam inuocationem sanctorum non commendari Quibus enim cuius authoris cuius libri cuius instrumenti Noui an veteris commendantur Sancti commendatur oratio quam pro nobis ad deuÌ„ faciunt vt ipsos inuocemus atque vt pro nobis orent rogemus Francist Hamiltonius de Iunocat Sanct. demonstrat priore in appendice pag. 3â— 81. nullo loco commendatur Vbi consulatur locus demonstrari non potest Sed neque couâ—eniebat vt aut commendaretur aut consuleretur nascentis maxime ecclesiae exordiis ne plures sibi deos more gentium fingere aut constituere existimarentur christiani quando etiam in suspitionem Idolatriae venerunt duÌ„ sub specie panis vini verum deum colerent 83. praecepta ne est Non est praecepta c. that is Moreouer we doe heere willingly graunt that inuocation of Saints is not commended to vs by expresse words of the Scriptures For by what words of what authors of what booke of which testament the new or the old Saints are commended prayer which they make to God for vs is commended but that wee should call vpon them and that wee should intreate them to pray for vs is in no place commended No place caÌ„ be shewed where it is counselled Neither was it couenient that it should be either commended or counselled especially in the beginning of the Church arising lest christians should be thought to make vnto themselues after the maner of the gentiles moe Gods seeing they were suspected of Idolatry for worshipping the true GOD vnder the forme of bread and wine 83. Is it commaunded It is not commaunded Hitherto the words of this Papist Hamilton by which it appeareth that inuocation of Saints is not commaunded nor councelled in the Scriptures and therefore they doe wrest them and bring a priuate and faulse exposition to them which seeke to proue it by them You quoate also in the margent Apoc. 1. 4. whereat a man might well wonder that you would quote a place so impertinent for this purpose but that it is euer vsuall amongst you and your fellowes in such sort to abuse the word of God The words of Saint Iohn be these Iohn to the seuen Churches which are in Asia Grace be with you and peace from him which is and which was and which is to come and from the seuen spirits which are before his throne and from Iesus Christ c. What meaneth this man to alledge this for inuocation of Saints will he by these seauen spirits vnderstand the Saints either he knoweth little or he cannot be ignorant that this is expounded of the holy Ghost who although he be in person one
the canonicall Scriptures from the which if they bee found to decline and swarue their iudgements are not to be followed But your meaning is that the Pope with his Councell is the supreme vmpire and iudge in matters of controuersie and the infallible interpreter thereof How they haue most falsly interpreted the Scriptures I haue in some part shewed before and that hee who is a partie and whom a great part of Christendome doth accuse to bee Antichrist and guilty of most grieuous crimes as of impietie idolatrie tyrannie ouer the Church sacriledge treason c. should bee iudge in this his owne cause is against all law and reason It is written in your owne Canon lawe Si Vide Brutum Fulmen 16. quâ—st consuctudo in glossa Distinct 40. Si Papa in gloss Papa cum aliquo causam hâ—bet non debit ipse esse iudex i. If the Pope haue matter with any other he ought not himselfe to be iudge And againe Quando Papa est in statu qui plerisque est offendiculo scandalizat EcclesiaÌ„ nec est corrigibilis tunc non potest esse iudex quia videtur malè sentire de fide i. When the Pope is in that state that he is an offence to many and scandalizeth the Church and is incorrigible then he cannot bee iudge because he seemeth to be of an euill faith And euen so not onely we do but also many of his owne fauourers haue iustly accused the Pope to be You vainly and falsly exaggerate controuersies and irreconciliable iarres as you terme them among vs in essentiall points of faith But why doe you not particularly expresse some of those essentiall points of faith Surely because you cannot I confesse there hath bin in our Church some controuersie concerning externall ceremonies and forme of gouernment as there hath beene heretofore betweene good men as betweene Peter and Paul betweene Paul and Barnabas betweene Anicetus Bishop of Rome Galat. 2. and Polycarpus betweene Chrysostome and Epiphanius and many others who all were godly men agreeing in vnity of faith and knowledge of the Sonne of God But you that are so eager in traducing our iarres cannot see your owne manifold and vnreconciliable iarres and controuersies among your selues As betweene your Schoolemen namely your Thomists and Scotists differing in sundrie matters of moment as not onely Erasmus hath declared but also Iohn Bishop of Rochester hath affirmed Also betweene Assert Luth. art 36. pag. 339. your Dominican and Franciscan Friers about the conception of the virgin Mary debated not onely by words but also by blowes which controuersie was neuer yet decided but in the Councell of Basil which the Papists count a schismaticall Councell and in the same was the false doctrine approoued to wit that the Virgin Mary was conceiued without sinne You cannot see your iarres betweene your great Maister of Sentences Peter Lumbard who iustled Saint Paul out of the schooles and your Sorbonist Doctors of Paris which found and condemned 26. errors in him nor the iarres betweene Ambrosius Catharinus Archbishop of Minorien and Dominicus de Soto confessor to Charles the fift concerning assurance of Gods grace predestination originall sinne freewill and induration of a sinner as in their bitter bookes one against another about these matters appeareth nor the iarres betweene the said Catharinus and Cardinall Caietane whome Catharinus chargeth with 200. errors of which he writeth thus Quae vt non solum euidenter falsa meritò culpari possent veruÌ„ etiam vâ— Christianâ— religioni perniciosa c. Which may be worthily reproued not onely as euidently false but also as pernicious to Christian religion I might mention many mo iarres among the Papists and namely betweene the secular Priests and Iesuits as appeareth by their bitter bookes one against another and particularly that of Willam Watson a secular Priest lately published in print against the Iesuits which this cauilling exclamor cannot espy who can see a moate in our eyes but cannot behold great beames in their owne but for shortnes sake I omit them at this present onely the learned may see how that great Rabbi Rob. Bellarmine iarreth with all other his pewfellowes and in very many essentiall points of doctrine dissenteth from them and controuleth them Whereof also Iohannes Pappus hath made a large collection Here in your later edition and addition you make a particular declaration of our iarres in matters of religion but all grounded vpon your owne baâ—e words without any allegation of places and testimonies whereby they should be confirmed and the reader perswaded and satisfied But you thinke your bare assertion will be sufficient for that your fauourers whome you haue with a strong delusion bewitched will take your naked asseuerations for sound probations You say that wee goe about to bleare the peoples braines with I know not what vnity and conformity in matters of faith c. But who haue not onely bleared but also starke blinded the braynes of the people heauen and earth can witnes euen they that haue taken away the key of knowledge haue kept the light of Gods word vnder the busshell of a strange tongue and haue taught ignorance to be the mother of deuotion as before is declared But let vs come to the particular iars which you say are amongst vs. The 1. is the kings supremacy the which you say all sound Puritans in the world deny and defie The which is a most false slander for there is neither Protestant nor such as it pleaseth you to call Puritans so farre-forth as I know and beleeue but as they deny and defie the Popes wicked supremacy which he hath vsurped and wherby he hath tyranized ouer the Church of God and Soueraigne Princes so they doe vnfeynedly confesse and acknowledge the kings Supreme power and authority in his kingdomes and dominions in all causes and ouer al persons both ecclesiasticall and temporall or politicall They all say with Saint Paule that euery soule ought to bee subiect to the higher powers whether they be as Saint Chrisostome saith Apostle or Euangelist or Prophet or whatsoeuer he be for this subiection doth not ouer-throwe God-linesse They all confesse that it belongeth to his royall dignity to see and procure not onely iustice to bee executed and peace mayntained but also that God bee truely and sincerly serued according to his will reuealed in his word And that he ought to suppresse and punish the transgressions not only of the first table of Gods commandements but also of the second in abolishing all Idolatrie superstition and wicked worshippinges and in remouing and punishing those that doe commit them They all confesse that he is next and immediatly vnder God subiect to the censure of none vpon earth If you know any Protestant or Puritaine that teacheth or writeth otherwaies alleage their wordes and produce the places But you say that Caluine whome it pleaseth you to call the Puritanicall Patriarke thought not well of King Henry the eights supremacy I answere
you prooue little The GOD of patience and consolation giue vnto Rom. 15 5. vs and you that wee may bee like minded one towards an other according to Christ Iesus that we may all with one minde and one mouth praise God euen the Father of our Lord Iesus Christ Amen Whereas you say that we haue no argument to prooue that we haue the true Church true religion and true faith but such as al heretikes haue euer vsed I answere that wee haue that argument and proofe for these things which although Heretikes haue falsely pretended as popish heretikes now do yet the Godly learned Fathers haue sincerely vsed And that is the holy word of God the only touchstone of truth and piller of the Church for as the Church 1. Tim. 3. 15 in one respect is the piller of truth as Saint Paul saith so in another the truth is the piller and prop of the Church as Chrysost in illum locum ho mil. 11. Math. 4. 4 7 10. Math. 19. 4. ibid. 22 29. Luk. 24. 27. 32 44 46 Rom. 1 2. 3 21. 4 3. Chrysostom saith For by what meanes els haue the Godly and learned Fathers in all ages confuted heresies and proued the Church but by the scriptures by them our Sauiour Christ foyled the diuell and put him to flight By them he answered the Pharisies By them he confuted the Sadduces By them he proued himselfe to be the promised Messias and Sauiour of the world By them Saint Paul confirmed the Gospel which he preached By them hee perswaded the Iewes those things which concerned Christ Iesus both out of the Law of Moses and out of the Act. 21. 23. ibid. 18 2 8 Prophets By them Apollos confuted the Iewes with great vehemencie shewing by the Scriptures that Iesus was the Christ By them the Godly and learned Fathers confuted and confounded the Arians and other Heretikes whom you here name as by their bookes and particular sayings it euidently appeareth Athanasius speaking of the Godly Athanas de de cretis Nicen. Synod pag. 528 decrees of the councell of Nice against the Arians writeth thus Atque harum rerum non aliunde nos quà m ex scripturis persuasionem habemus that is We be perswaded of these things by no other meanes but by the Scriptures Epiphanius saith In Scripturis sanctis Trinttas nobit Epipâ— contra pâ—â—umaiomachos haeres 7â— annuÌ„tiatur ac creditur citra curiositatem c. The Trinity is in the holy Scriptures preached vnto vs without curiositie beleued And that by theÌ„ al doctrines are to be confirmed al errors and heresies to be confuted they plainely and plentifully shew Tertullian saith that if Heretikes Tertul. lib de resurrec carnes Eâ—iph contra pâ—ulum Samosa haeres 66 Basii epist 80. bee brought to examine and try their questions onely by the Scriptures they cannot stand Epiphanius saith that wee are not to discusse questions by our owne wittes and reasons Sedex Scripturarum consequentia By the consequeÌ„ce of the Scriptures Saint Basil saith Let vs stand to the arbitrement of the Scripture inspired of God and with whome bee found doctrines agreeable to those diuine words let the truth be iudged to be with them Constantine sayd vnto the Bishoppes in the Nicene Councell The Euangelicall and Apostolicall bookes and the Oracles of the Theod. lib. 8. cap. 7 sol 284. Prophets doe plainely instruct vs of GOD wherefore laying away all enimitie and discord let vs take the explication or resolution of the questions in controuersie out of those saying inspired of GOD. So saith Saint Augustine Verum nos sacris literis accommodemus auditum c. August in Euang Ioan. tract 60. August de cura pro mortuis cap. 2. Let vs hearken vnto the holy Scriptures and according to them let vs helpe by the grace of God to dissolue this question And againe Non secunduÌ„ opinionem c. We must consider of this matter not according to yâ— commoÌ„ opinion but according to the holy Scriptures of our religion And of yâ— Church he saith thus Sed vtrum ipsi ecclesiam De vnitate ecclesiae cap. 16. teneant non nisi diuinarum ScripturaruÌ„ canonicis libris ostendant but whether they haue yâ— church let them shew by no other meanes but by the Canonical books of the diuine Scriptures Chrysostom saith yâ— we cannot know Chrisostom in Math. Homil. 44. which is the true Church of Christ Nisi tantummodo per Scripturas but onely by the Scriptures Therefore by the Scriptures proue your doctrine and shew your Church Math 4. But you say the Arians others Heretikes alleadged the Scriptures whereunto I adde that so did the Diuel also but in such sort as you and your fellowes doe in mangling them falsly expounding and applying them as I haue in some part before shewed I am conteÌ„t to ioyne this issue with you that they with be proued to depraue detort mangle and falsly expound and apply the scriptures be heretikes and to bee condemned with these old heretikes whome you here name To whome whether you or we bee more like let the vpright Reader indifferently iudge The Arians seeing that they could haue nothing out of the Scriptures fled as Athanasius saith vnto the Fathers and euen so do you The Arians vsed subtill distinctions Athanas tomâ— 2. to elude and shift of the truth and so do you They denied the person of Christ and you deny the office of Christ in not acknowledging him to be our onely Prophet and teacher whose onely voyce wee must heare and obey nor the only King and head of his Church nor our onely high Priest with the sweet smelling sacrifice of himselfe once for euer offered to redeeme and reconcile vs vnto God nor our only mediator to make intercession for vs. The Arians did cruelly persecute the true Christians Ruffin lib. 1. cap. 17. Socrates lib. 1. cap. 17. zozo in lib. 4. cap. 27. Gregor Nazi anz artic ad Arianos and so do Papists when power is in their hand to doe it The Arians when they could not preuaile against that excellent man Athanasius fell to raile vpon him and to slaunder him accusing him of adulterie murther and sorcerie and euen so do you now deale with such as for their godlinesse and learning may well bee compared with Athanaesiuâ— I meane especially Caeluin whome the Author of that vnlearned libell and beastly booke intituled A quartron of reasons of Catholike religion c. is not ashmed 5. reasoÌ„ pa. 30. to call a seare backt Priest for Sodomie O thou shamelesse man or rather monsterlart thou not ashamed to slaunder and belie such a man of whome they that knew him did truly write of him ipsâ— Ã quo potuit virtutem discere virtus Theo Beza that euen virtue it selfe might as it were haue learned vertue of him How doest thou know that Caluin was such a man I assure my selfe
mulieribus quas ad confessionem admittunt Scelestissimè fornicantur Luk 2. cap. 37. 1. They Priests do often most wickedly commit fornication with the women of there parishes which they admit to confession The like writeth Marsilius Patauinus in his booke intituled Desensor Pacis part 2. ca. 6. pag. 286. To your sixt accusation I answere that we exclude and banish our Sauiour Christ neither from the Sacrament of his supper nor from the hearts of the faithfull but acknowledge that as by faith hee dwelleth in the one so by Ephes 3 17 2. Cor. 13 5 the same hee is receiued of the Godly in the other Your false and grosse doctrine of Transsubstantiation which the Greeke Church neuer beleeued and the Latine Church lately defined as Erasmus saith wee iustly reiect and condemne â—râ—s Anno â—â— in 1. Cor. 7 We exhort men when they come to receiue that holy mysterie the Sacrament and pledge of our saluation in Christ to examine themselues and so to eate of that bread and drinke of that cup For hee that eate haâ—d drinketh vnworthily 1. Cor. 11. â—8 eateth and drinketh his owne damnation because he discerneth not the Lords bodie But if as you say sinfull liues consorte not with his sacred mysterie I meruaile how your Priests liues consorted with it which how holy they were I will shew hereafter Lastly you charge vs with a new negatiue religion wholy standing vpon negation of Sacraments ceremonies rites lawes customes and other practicall points of the Catholike Church wherevnto I answere that we deny nothing that God hath commanded in the holy canonicall Scripture the which as I haue before shewed is the onely rule of our Religion and life Indeede wee deny and defie your trifling traditions and vnwritten vanities and inuentions with the which you haue gone a whoring as the Prophet saith If you can shew that wee deny any thing which Psal 106. 39 God hath commaunded as wee can plainely prooue that you doe then spare not to charge vs with a new negatiue religion You deny the sufficiencie of the Scriptures and that all doctrine necessarie to saluation is contayned in them You deny the same Scriptures to bee in the vulgar tongue for all Gods people to reade and heare to their comfort You deny praier and the publicke seruice of God to be in the same vulgar tongue You deny Christ to bee our only mediator between God vs. You deny the Cup of Christs supper to Gods people You deny the lawful authority which Princes haue ouer their people subiects in all causes ecclesiasticall and temporall You deny mariage to ecclesiasticall ministers whereby what great and horrible wickednesse you haue caused I will hereafter declare You say we bring in for fasting feasting for praying playing c. Concerning your fasting consisting in a superstitious obseruing of times and diuersitie of meates and tending to the honouring of Saints and satisfying Gods iustice for your sinnes we deny it But fasting purely vsed according to Gods word to humble our soules before God to mortifie the wicked affections of our sinful flesh we allow and especially that great and principall fast in abstayning from sinne whereof Saint Augustine speaketh in these words Ieiunium autem magnum generale August in Ioan traâ—l â—7 distinct de consecra cap. Ieiunium est abstinere ab iniquitatibus ab illicitis voluptatibus seculi quod est perfectum ieiâ—nium in hoc seculo The great and generall fast is to abstaine from iniquities and vnlawfull pleasures of the world which is the perfect fast in this world Chrysostome saith Ieiunium dico abstinentiam à vitiis I say that fasting which is to abstaine from vices Chrysost in Genes hom 8. Hereby let it be discerned who doe most truely fast In deede I know that it is your manner much to glory in your writings and speeches of your outward fasting from meates as the Pharisee in the Gospell did who gloried Luke 18. 12. that he fasted twise a weeke which neither God in his law had required nor the Apostles of Christ for any thing wee reade vsed Whereby wee may note that true Godlines neither is to bee measured by such outward abstinece from meates nor is alwaies ioyned with it Iohn Matth. 11. 18 Baptist vsed greater austerity in his diet and abstinence from meates then our Sauiour Christ did yet was his life nothing so holy Iohns Disciples vsed more fasting Matth. 9. 14. then the Disciples of our Sauiour Christ did Yet it is not to be doubted but our Sauiours Disciples liued as godly or Tertul de Iâ—iâ—nio adueâ—s Psichicos Hierom. in Aggaeum cap. 1. pag. 230. more then they did The Montanists Heretikes were greater fasters then were the true Christians as Tertullian sheweth And S. Hierome writeth that they obserued three Lents in a yeare and yet were Heretikes condemned by the Church of God although then fauored by the Bishop of Rome as Tertullian sheweth in the beginning of his booke against Praxeas The Iewes vsed such great abstinence and fasting that they brought weakenes and sickenesse to their bodies as Saint Hierome writeth who neuerthe Hierorymus ad Algaesiam quast 10. lesse were enemies to our Sauiour Christ The Moscouites which neuer acknowledged the Popes authority be as great fasters as Papists are And so also be the Turkes And therefore these men neede not to boast so much of 1. Tim. 4. 8. their fasting Saint Paul saith that bodily exercise profiteth little but godlines is profitable to all things hath the promise of this life present that which is to come Howbeit as I will not deny but that there may be lesse fasting and more feasting then were requisit yet that there is more feasting and superfluitie in fare now especially in ecclesiastical persons I thinke it will be to hard for this man to proue Whence came these phrases As fat as an Abbot he hath a face like an Abbot and an Abbey Lubber but of their immoderate fare and feeding And how these men were giuen to gluttony excesse I will shew at this time but by one example Giraldus Cambrensis in his Book intituled Speculum Ecclesiae writeth that the Abbot and Monkes of Saint Swithens in Winchester came to King Henry the second hunting at Gilford in Surrey and fell downe in myre and durt before him pittifully crying out The King asked them what was the matter They answered that their Bishoppe had taken three dishes of meate from their dinners and suppers He asked them how many he had left vnto them They answered tenne but from the foundation of their house they had vsed daily to haue thirteen dishes at a meale The King turned to his Nobles and said By the eyes of God for that was his oath I thought their house had beene burnt and now I see it is but a matter concerning their paunches And then turning to the Abbots and Monkes
it most euidently appeareth that blessing and thankesgiuing is all one thing And yet this is more manifest For whereas Saint Matthew and Saint Marke say as is before declared that our Sauiour when hee tooke bread blessed Saint Luke Luke â—2 19. 1 Cor. 10 24. â— Cor. 14. 16. and Saint Paul say hee gaue thankes Hereunto also pertaineth that plaine place of Saint Paul When thâ—â— blessest in the spiâ—it how shall hee that occupieth the place of the vnlearned say Amen to thy giuing of thankes seeing hee knoweth not what thou sayest Who is so blinde and so ignorant that heere seeth not blessing and thankesgiuing to be all one thing And therefore againe I say that by blessing is not here meant a secret whispering of fiue words to the conuerting of the substance of bread and wine into Christs body and blood as Priests foolishly vse and falsly teach but a thankesgiuing to GOD for so louing vs that hee hath giuen his onely begotten Iohn 3. 26. Sonne for vs that as many as beleeue in him shall not perish but haue euerlasting life For the which cause this Sacrament is of the ancient fathers called Eucharistia that is to say thankesgiuing As touching the breaking of bread which mâ—y resemble to vs the breaking of Christs body vpon the Crosse wee doe follow our Sauiour Christ therein and doe breake it when we distribâ—â—e it vnto the people the which the Papistes doe not but thrust in a whole vnbroken wafer into their mouthes Indeed I know that the Priest himselfe doth in his Masse breake his hoste into three parts One to signifie the Saints in heauen another the faithfull vpon the earth the third the soules in Purgatory But this deep diuâ—nity they haue found vpon the back side of the Bible But because this Gentlewoman or author of this scrole vrgeth eagerly the breaking of bread I would faine know what the Priest doth breake when he breaketh his Hosâ—e as they call it into three parts First hee breaketh not by their doctrine the substance of bread for they say there is none remaining to say that they breake Christs body wre blasphemy although it pleased that holy Pope Nicholas with his Councell to prescribe that godly and learned man Berengarius in his De consecra dist 2 â—go Berengariuâ— recantation to affirme the body of Christ Manibus Sacerdotum tractari frangi fidelium denâ—â—bus atterâ— i. To be handled with the Priests hands to be broken and torne with the teeth of the faithfull And to say they breake accidents without a substance were folly or rather madnesse These things before being considered let the indifferent reader vprightly consider how truely this Catholike Gentlewoman saith that we obserue none of these Now it followeth in the sayd paper The truth of the Catholike religion and of euery part thereof is proued euidently by the testimony and consent of all writers in all ages since Christ and his Apostles As for example the Real presence of Christ in the Sacrament the Sacrifice of the masse Purgatorie Prayer for the dead Prayers to Saints the vse of Images the signe of the Crosse Pilgrimage to holy Places and the rest now in controuersie Answere HEere bee things as boldly affirmed as they bee barely proued or rather cleane omitted and therefore they might without further proofe as well bee denied of mee as they bee affirmed of them And although I minde not long to stand vpon these particular poynts yet I will not let them goe so nakedly as they do but will somewhat touch them But heere let the Christian reader consider and marke that whereas this Catholike Gentlewoman saith that the truth of their Catholike religion and euery part thereof is prooued euidently by the testimonies of all writers in all ages since Christ and his Apostles they seeme to exclude from this proofe the Law and the Prophets the Gospell of our Sauiour Christ and the writings of the Apostles contained in the canonicall Scriptures For if they had meant otherwise they would haue sayd that the truth of the Catholike religion and euery part thereof is proued euidently by the testimony of the holy Scriptures and of all writers in all ages since Christ and his Apostles Therefore if their meaning bee as their words seeme to import to exclude from this proofe the canonicall Scriptures then they exclude the onely true triall of Christian religion for if the holy Scriptures Caâ—s 8. quest Nec suffâ— â—erâ— bee the onely rule of our faith and life as Beda saith in these words before alledged Nobis sacris literis vnica est credendi pariter viuendi regula praescripta i. The onely rule both of faith and life is prescribed vnto vs in the holy Scriptures then in the proofe of Christian religion we ought not to exclude them but chiefely yea onely to admit them And if Saint Aug. de natu â— grat cap. 60. Augustine doe truely say that wee ought without refusâ—ll to giue our consent onely to the Canonicall Scriptures then surely wee ought to trie and examine all matters by them Therefore I may say vnto you with the same Saint Augustine Auferantur ergo De vâ—itat Eccle cap. 2. c. Let these things bee taken away which wee recite and bring one against another not out of the holy Canonicall bookes but from else where And so let vs trie these points of your Catholike Religion by the holy Canonicall Scriptures the testimony whereof is sufficient and all other testimonies without the same bee of no force so saith the same Saint Agustine Qui diuina testimonia non sequuntur c. Arg. Epist 50. i. They that follow not the diuine testimonies haue lost the waight of mans testimonie Therefore I conclude this point with the same Saint Augustine Non audiâ—mus c. i. Let vs not heare This say I This sayest thou but Aug. de vnitat Eccles cap. 3. let vs heare This saith the Lord. There bee the Lords books whose authority we both consent vnto we both beleeue and wee both obey there let vs seeâ—ke the Church there let vs discusse our cause Bring then plaine proofes out of the holy Canonicall Scriptures for those your catholike points of Religion and I will yeeld And without them whatsoeuer testimonies you bring else where you shall nothing preuaile Well saith Saint Ierome Omne quod loquimur debemus affirmare Hier. in Psalm 98. de Scripturis sacris i. Whatsoeuer wee speake wee ought to affirme or proue it out of the holy Scriptures Idem ad Titum And againe Sine authoritate Scripturarum garrulitas non habet fidem i. Without the authority of the Scriptures pratling hath no credit Now to come to your particular points As touching your Real presence of Christ in the Sacrament if you meane thereby not a Real presence of Christ to the faith of the godly and worthy receiuer whereby wee affirme and beleeue that hee doth
c. The inuenting of Idols and Images was the beginning of VVis 14. 2 Cor. 6. 16. 1 Ioh. 5. 21. Apoca. 9. 20. whoredome and the finding of them is the corruption of life What agreement hath the Temple of God with Idols or Images Babes keepe your selues from Images The remnant of the men which were not killed by these plagues repented not of the workes of their handes that they should not worship deuills and Idols of gold and of siluer of brasse and of stone and of wood which neither can see neither heare nor goe Also they repented not of their murther and of their sorcerie neither of their fornication nor of their theft I wil for shortnes sake omit many other places of Scripture wherein Images in the worship of God are condemned and the vanitie of them liuely painted forth Now as touching the state of the Church after Christ and his Apostles it is most certaine that the Christians in Lib. 3. cap. 23. the primitiue Church neither had nor worshipped Images Eusebius writeth that Plinius secundus a Pagane writing to Traiane the Emperour a persecutor of Christians did certifie him that hee found no wickednes in the Christians but that they would not worshippe Images Origne writeth that Celsus that railer and Blasphemour of Christianity did obiect this as a fault against the Con. Celse lib. 4. Apolog. cap. 12. Christians that they had no Images Tertullian writeth thus If we worship not vaine pictures and Images that are like dead men which Kites Mise and Spiders know what they be doth not the forsaking of this knowne errour deserue rather praise then punishment Lactantius saith that God is greater then man therefore he is aboue and not below neither Lib 2. de Orig. 9. error cap 19. is he to be sought below vpon the earth but in the highestrehioÌ„ of heauen wherefore ther is no doubt but that there is no religion wheresoeuer there is an Image Clemens writeth Lib. 5. recog cap 6. thus That Serpent the Deuill vseth by others to vtter such words we to the honor of God do worship visible Images the which is most certainely false for if you would truly worship the Image of God by doing well vnto man you should in him worship the true Image of God for in euery man is the true Image of God But yet not in all the true similitude but where there is a good soule and a pure minde If therefore you would honor the Image of God wee doe shew you what is good that you do good and giue honor and reuerence vnto man who is made after the Image of God giuing meate vnto the hungry and drinke vnto the thirsty apparell vnto the naked seruice vnto the sicke hospitality vnto strangers and things necessarie vnto him that is in prison And this is that which shal be accepted as truely done vnto God And these things doe so farre forth tende vnto Gods Image and the honor thereof that he that doth them not is thought to offer iniury vnto the Image of God Therefore what honour of God is this to gâ—d after Images of stone and of woode and to worshippe as God vaine and liuelesse Images and to despise man in whom is truly the Image of God Hitherto Clement Epiphanius comming into a church and there finding a Com. 3. opem Hicronimi vaile hanging and hauing on it an Image as it were of Christ or some Saint did teare it in peeces willed them to wrap some dead body in it and not to hange such in the churches contrary to the authority of the scriptures This Epistle wherein this is contained hath the authority not onely of Epiphanius which did write it but also of Saint Hierome who did translate and alledge it against Iohn the Bishop of Ierusalem Saint Augustine commendeth that Lib. â— de ciuit dei cap. 9 learned Romaine Varro for that hee affirmed that they which ordained Images for the people both tooke away feare and brought in error And againe hee writeth of the Ibim cap. 31 same Varro in this sort Wherefore seeing that Varro did say that they did know what was God who did beleeue that hee is a soule or spirit gouerning the world and did thinke that religion might more chastly bee obserued without Images who did not see how neare hee came to truth Heare Saint Augustine affirmeth that Varro came neare vnto the truth in thinking that religion might more chastly and purely be obserued without Images then with them The same Saint Augustine writeth thus Vere mendatia c. Our fathers haue indeed worshipped lies euen Images in which is no profit Saint Ambrose sayth The De fug â—culi cap. 5. cap. 36. Church knoweth not idle formes and vaine figures Images The counsel Elibertimum decreed that Images ought not to be in the Church and that which is worshipped or adored 〈◊〉 lib. 1. a coas a. Euangel cap. 10. should not be painted â—poâ— walls I will conclude this matter o Images with an other saying of S. Augustine Sic omnine errare meruerunt quia ChristuÌ„ et Apostolos eius non in sanctis condicibus sed in pictis parietibus quaesiueruÌ„t i. They haue altogither deserued to bee deceiued because they haue sought Christ and his Apostles not in the holy bookes of the scriptures but in painted walls And thus much at this time for Images expecting that this Catholike gentlewoman or some of her friends will proue by the testimony of the holy scriptures and the testimony of all writers in all ages since Christ and his Apostles not onely the vse of them as here they say but also the horrible abuse of them such as was in Popery in running a pilgrimage to them in kneeling creeping to them in burning candles and tapers before them in offering incense and all kinde of other oblations vnto them in making them to nodde with their heads and their eyes to gogle to deceiue the simple c. This shal be as easie for them to doe as to moue mountaines As touching the crosse and pilgrimage I will for shortnesse sake write nothing requiring them by the foresayd testimonies for to proue them Now it followeth in the sayd scroole or paper I Would know whether it bee not true that Aerius was condemned an Heretike aboue these thousand yeares for denying praier for the dead and Vigilantius for denying the praiers to Saints and the Nouatianes for denying the power of the Church to forgiue sinnes and Eustathius for denying Pilgrimage to holie places and Simon Magus for denying free will and Iouiniane for affirming the marriage of Priestes all the which opinions and many moe that are now preached for Gods word haue beene these thousand yeares condemned for heresies as I am told out of bookes of Saint Ireneus Saint Ambrose Saint Augustine Saint Epiphanius Saint Hierome and other holy fathers of the primitiue Church Answere AS touching these here charged with
occasion of his marriage hee ought not to offer and therefore doe abstaine from his offering bee hee accursed Now these things well waied and considered let euen this Catholike Gentlewoman her selfe iudge whether wee or her counterfeyt Catholikes bee likest vnto Eustathius As touching such gadding a Pilgrimage vnto Idols and Images as is vsed in Popery that either such was then vsed or by Eustaâ—bius condemned you shall neuer bee able to proue this is that the Councell in that point decreeth Si quis superbiam c. i. If any through Cap. 20. pride as thinking himselfe perfect doe either accuse the assemblies which are made at the Churches and places of the holy Martirs or also beleeueth that the oblations which there be celebrated are to bee dispised and the memories of Saintes to bee condemned be hee accursed but this is far from Popish pilgrimage That Simon Magus denied free will I cannot finde but Vide Calu. contra Pighium p. 205. Lamb. daneus in August lib. de heres cap. 1. Euseâ—i lib. 2. cap 13. Act. 8. by that which I haue read it may rather be gathered that hee maintained it for it is written of him that he affirmed the soule not to bee defiled with vices but onely the flesh And if the soule be not defiled with vices then hath it freewil But this I finde written and receiued of him yâ— he brought againe the suspition of Images from the which the Christians seemed to haue bene deliuered and that he would sell the giuing of the holy Ghost and his graces giftes for money Wherein whether the Pope in selling pardons for sinne and making of Saiâ—â—es for money bee liker to him or Simon Peter lette wise men consider Lastly you would faine match vs with Iouinian who you saie affirmed the marriage of Priestes but herein you mistake the matter for Iouinians opinion was not directly concerning the marriage of Priestes or Ministers but that he made marriage equall vnto virginitie and virginitie of no great worthines or as some terme it merit more then matrimony Saint Hierome writing against Iouinian acknowledgeth Lib. 1. contra Iouini the marriage of Priests Si autem Samuell c. i If Samuell beeing nourished in the Tabernacle married a wife is this to the preiudice of virginitie as though euen now also many Priests were not married And the Apostle describeth 1. Sozom lib. 1. cap 2. 2. Niceph. lib. 2. cap. 19. 3 Greg. Naziâ— in oration funeb de patre et â—antu lib. 1. fastor 5. Euseb lib. 6. Cap. 42. 6. Eusâ—b lib. 8. cap. 9. 7. Euseb lib. 5. cap. 25. â—t tom Conc. p. 8. Polidor Virgil cap 9. de Iuuent erum lib. 5. cap. 9. Fabian part 7. sol 151. Math. Parrish 1. in Galiel Conquest 9. Heb 13. a Bishop to bee the husband of one wife hauing children with all chastitie c. Eliguntur mariti in sacerdotium non nego c. i. That married men bee chosen to be Priestes I doe not deny c. Therefore if Iouinians opinion had beene about the marriage of Ecclesiasticall persons Saint Hierome who writ bitterly against him had yeelded the cause vnto him But if Iouinian were an Heretike for affirming Priestes marriage then were the Priests of the old law Heretikes So were sundry godly Bishops in Christs Church long after his ascention as first Spiridion second Gregorius Nisines third Gregory NazianzeÌ„s father fourth Prosper Aquitanicus fifth Cheremon sixth Phileas seauenth Policrates c. Which were married Bishoppes Yea it may bee proued that in England and other countries Priestes were married a thousand and moe yeares after Christ But to conclude this matter lette the Papistes barke as much as they list against the marriage of Ecclesiastical persons we say with the Apostle Marriage is honourable among all and the bed vndefiled but whoremongers adulterers God wil iudge theÌ„ of with sort most popish priests haue bin for in the Popes decree a Q. is asked whither a Priest for fornication is to bee depriued the glose answereth it seemeth not His reason is quia pauci sine illovitio Dâ—stinct â— 1. inueniuntur First because few are found voyd of that vice Now whereas this Catholike Gentlewoman saith shee heard that these aforenamed where a thousand yeares agoe condemned for such heresies which are now as she saith preached for Gods word Although I haue sufficiently I suppose answered the same yet will I shew her what â— haue heard of other heretiques condemned a thousand yeares agoe and what doctrine they haue maintained I haue heard beside Simon Magus before named of Irenâ—us lib. 1. cap. 14. â—pâ—phan heres 27. certaine Heretikes called Gnostici Caâ—pocratitae which had Images painted in gold and siluer and other matter which they said were the Images of Iesus and were made vnder Pontius Pilate when Christ was among men which they decked with Gyrlands and did sette thâ—m forth c. I haue heard beside that yâ— Monster Marcion was charged Epiphan heres 42. Tertul. lib. 2. Contrâ—a Marcion besides other matters with these three things First that he permitted women to baptize Secondly that hee thought fish a more holy meat then flesh and thirdly that hee denied the truth of Christs body and thought that it was a Phantasma or Ghost such a body as the Romish Catholikes seeme to attribute vnto him which they say is in heauen earth and infinite places of the earth at one instant and is in the sacrament without any quallitie or quantitie of a body without length breadth or thickenes forme or figure c I haue heard of an Heretike called Montanus charged Euseb ex Apolonio Ecclesi Hist lib. 5. cap. 18. Tertul. aduers Praxâ—am et Rhenan ibid. aboue a thousand yeares past with these things First that he taught to dissolue marriages Secondly that hee prescribed lawes of fasting And thirdly that vnder precence of oblations hee craftily deuised a getting of gifts And that hee brought in sundry vnwritten traditions wherof it is thought some haue continued in the Church vntill this time and the rather for that in Tertullian and Beatus Rhenanus a Papist do affirme I haue heard of certaine Angu Epist 74 Heritikes of which some were called Tatianâ— some Eucratitae some Originiani some Manicheâ— of those some generally condemned marriage some prohibited it onely to their Priests as namely the Maniches And as touching the other I haue heard that some write thus of Epiphan heres 47. them â—actant pudicitiam fallaciter omnia faâ—ientes c. i. They bragge of continency doing all things deceitfully for both they be found among women and they euery where deceiue women they take iournies with women they liue togither with them they admit the seruices of them so that they bee farre from the truth hauing a shew of Godlinesse but haue denied the power thereof c. I haue heard of certaine Heretikes called Pelagians which were charged with three opinions
Bishoppes seates were placed for euening prayer there fell a greeuous strife betweene the seruants of Helecon the Bishoppe of Hildeneshem and the seruants of Widerad the Abbat of Fuldens they beganne with chiding afterward with fistes and had quickly come to swordes if the authority of Otho Duke of the Baioarians had not stayed it Againe a little after The King kept Whitsontide at Goslare where when the King and Bishoppes met at euening prayer there rose againe a tumult for the setting of the Bishops seats not by suddaine chaunce as before but by a fore premeditate purpose for the Bishop of Hiledeneshem being mindefull of the reproch before receaued did hide Cont Ecbert with prouided souldiers behind the Alter These hearing the noise and stir of the seruants came quickly in and of the seruants of the Abbots of Fuldens they did beate some with their fistes others with their clubes did throw them downe and easely driue them being amased at the suddaine danger out of the chancell of the Church who forthwith calling there fellowes to fight the Abbots men hauing their weapons in redines did rush on a heape into the Church in the midst of the Queere among the singers they fought not now with cudgels but with swordes A fierce fight was there made and through the whole Church in steed of spirituall hymnes and Songes there was heard the crying out of some exhorting to fight and the sorrowfull mourning of others dying Sorrowfull sacrifices were slaine vpon the Alters of God and floudes of blood did euery where runne in the Church shed not as in old time by the religion of the law but by hostile crueltie The Bishoppe of Hildensheyme getting vp into a high place and as it were founding a trumpet for warre exhorted his men to fight valiantly and that they should not be feared by the holines of the place from fighting he alleaged his owne authoritie and promise Many were on both sides wounded many were slaine amongst the chiefe were Regeâ—bado the Abbot of Fuldens Standart-bearer and Bero a souldier very deere vnto Count Ecbert In these stirres the King cryed out and by his Kingly maiestie exhorted the people to peace but he seemed to speake vnto them that were deafe At the last being admonished by his followers to prouide for the safety of his owne life hee left the fight and with much adoe escaped through the multitude thronged together to his Pallace The Bishop of Hildeneshems men who came to the fight prepared had the vpper hand The Abbots as vnarmed and sodainely gathered together vppon the sodaine rising of the storme of this seditious tumult were driuen away ouerthrown and expelled out of the Church Wherevppon by and by the doores were locked The Abbots men who in the beginning of the tumult had gone farre off to fetch their weapons came armed in great number and did gette the porch of the Church and put themselues in array yâ— they might forthwith sette vpon them which should come out of the Church But the night did breake off the fray Hetherto Lambert of Schafnaberge Charles Earle of Flanders was slaine at Bruges in the Church at Masse as testifieth these writers Mathew 1127. Paris in Henrico 1. Page 94. Tritemius in Chro. Mon. Hersong Page 156. Sigâ—bertuâ— fol. 137. and FÃ bian part 7. 230. Henry the sonne of Richard Earle of Cornewale was Enncad 9 lib. 5. Dâ—â—aâ— 2. lib 8. slaine in the Church at Viterbum in Italie in the time of the Masse by Guy Mâ—nserratens as testifie Sabelicus Blondus and others This was about the yeare of our Lord 1273. Antoninus sheweth how one Thomas Clevallis Gouernour of Fabrian a great and populous towne and other Pâ—t 3. Titul 22. Cap. 10. fol. 170. â—â—no â—436 Castles thereabouts was slaine with his two sonnes in the great Church of the said Fabrian vpon the Ascension day whilest he was present at a solemne Masse Famous or rather infamous is that murther of Alphonsus Medices in the Church of Florence which Raphaell Volaterranus in his Geography dedicated to Pope Iulius Lâ—b 5 pag. 57. the second declareth in these wordes Laurence Medices suffered sundry conspiracies but especially the Pactian most perillous of all the rest which was in this sort At Rome two Francisces Pactuis and Saluiatus Bishop of Pisa were authors of it Saluiate was greiued because in obtayning his Bishoppricke he had Laurence his aduersary the other for that seeing himselfe equall to Laurence in Nobilitie witte and almost in wealth was not equall to him in power and authority Therefore they did impart the matter with Hierome a kinsman of Pope Sixtus the fourth because they did know that he also did hate him For whereas bee was the first keeper of the Popes treasure he was found to haue giuen secret aid against the Pope to Nicholas Vitellius of Tiserni in the siege of Tiserni Therefore they being priuy consenting they went first to Pisa afterward they came to Pactius town wher they continued certaine daies vntil they had gotten togither the rest of the conspirators and had disposed of the whole matter From thence vpon the tenth Câ—lendes oâ— May being Sonday in the yeare 1478. the Conspirators vnder the pretence of Gods seruice came to Florence with Raâ—hael the Popes Legat and Hieroms kinsman who from the schoole of Pisa beeing lately made a Cardinall came thither either by chance or of set purpose They came all early to the Church of Reparata to Masse In the meane while Saluiatus with his armed men departed secretly from the Church and came vnder pretence of an other matter to the Court or common Hall to talke with Caesar Vcâ—iliser the Gouernour but yet to this end that the murther being committed in the Church he might bee ready to inuade and sette vppon the Court and Magistrates Therefore the token beeing giuen when the Eucharist or Sacrament was lifted vp Barnard Bandine first did thrust through Iulian Laurences brother Antony Volateran who moued with hatred for an old iniury done to the Volaterans had required the first part in that action did on the other side sette vppon Laurence behinde his backe and did strike him a little below the throate whereas hee straight wayes turning himselfe at the crye of the people did somewhat auoyde the blow and when the other would haue giuen him an other blow hee speedily escaped into the Reuestrie of the Church neere therevnto where hee was by the multitude of his friendes receiued and preserued c. Hitherto Volaterans wordes who immediately sheweth how Pope Sixtus interdicted Laurence for laying handes vppon the Legate and the Priestes and made wars vppon the Florentines drawing Ferdinandus King of Sicile and Fredericke Duke of Vrbine to ioine with him in that warre c. The same Rap. Volaterane sheweth how both Ioannes lib. 4. fol. 54. Ibidem fol. 55. Maria Galeatus Sfortia Dukes of Millayne were slaine in the Church in time of the Masse