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law_n therefore_o wise_a lawmaker_n to_o show_v their_o care_n and_o foresight_n for_o the_o good_a and_o weal-public_a as_o they_o cause_v their_o law_n to_o be_v write_v so_o they_o appoint_v certain_a select_a person_n of_o integrity_n and_o ability_n to_o dispense_v the_o same_o if_o this_o be_v true_a as_o it_o be_v etc._n etc._n resp._n 1_o it_o be_v most_o false_a that_o you_o say_v it_o be_v ever_o hold_v etc._n etc._n tholosanus_n tell_v you_o that_o advocate_n be_v of_o little_a use_n in_o poland_n 2._o tholos_n syntag_n juris_fw-la l._n 49._o c._n 6._o sect._n 29_o azor._n inst_z moral_a part_n 3._o l._n 13._o cap._n 29._o dub_v 2._o but_o every_o man_n be_v admit_v to_o plead_v his_o own_o cause_n himself_o and_o other_o casuist_n when_o they_o tell_v who_o be_v prohibit_v from_o be_v advocate_n do_v not_o exclude_v private_a man_n from_o plead_v their_o own_o cause_n see_v tholos_n and_o ararius_fw-la who_o be_v so_o far_o from_o hold_v it_o a_o effect_n of_o great_a improvidence_n etc._n etc._n that_o they_o allow_v it_o you_o find_v the_o apostle_n paul_n plead_v for_o himself_o act_v 24.12_o 13_o 18_o 19_o and_o 25._o and_o 10_o 11._o in_o both_o which_o place_n the_o apostle_n plead_v for_o himself_o and_o that_o by_o law_n which_o he_o interpret_v for_o himself_o now_o he_o will_v never_o have_v do_v this_o have_v he_o think_v it_o a_o effect_n of_o great_a improvidence_n or_o a_o occasion_n of_o intolerable_a confusion_n as_o you_o suggest_v it_o advocate_n do_v not_o substantial_o but_o accidental_o intervene_v in_o public_a judicatories_n as_o zorius_fw-la speak_v sup._n cap._n 12._o init_fw-la now_o that_o which_o only_o accidental_o intervene_v may_v sometime_o not_o intervene_v 2._o the_o reason_n you_o give_v of_o lawmaker_n appoint_v certain_a select_a person_n of_o integrity_n and_o ability_n to_o dispense_v the_o law_n it_o be_v a_o occasion_n of_o intellerable_a confusion_n etc._n etc._n be_v not_o the_o proper_a reason_n of_o that_o appointment_n but_o rather_o the_o true_a and_o main_a reason_n be_v this_o all_o man_n be_v not_o able_a to_o understand_v the_o meaning_n and_o sense_n of_o law_n though_o some_o may_v be_v able_a now_o a_o good_a law_n maker_n do_v consult_v the_o welfare_n of_o the_o mean_a subject_n if_o some_o man_n shall_v handle_v their_o own_o cause_n they_o will_v endanger_v it_o through_o their_o unskilfulness_n of_o law_n and_o the_o subtlety_n of_o the_o adversary_n so_o that_o the_o danger_n be_v not_o so_o much_o confusion_n and_o disorder_n as_o the_o prejudice_n of_o civil_a and_o particular_a right_n every_o man_n not_o be_v able_a to_o deal_v with_o every_o adversary_n nor_o to_o understand_v every_o case_n in_o law_n 3._o all_o that_o you_o say_v make_v only_o against_o a_o public_a plead_n in_o court_n of_o judicature_n which_o do_v not_o take_v away_o private_a man_n