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A14399	Concerning the excommunication of the Venetians a discourse against Cæsar Baronius Cardinall of the Church of Rome In which the true nature and vse of excommunication is briefly and cleerly demonstrated, both by testimonies of Holy Scripture, and from the old records of Christs Church. Written in Latine by Nicolas Vignier, and translated into English after the copie printed at Samur 1606. Whereunto is added the Bull of Pope Paulus the Fift, against the Duke, Senate and Commonwealth of Venice: with the protestation of the sayd Duke and Senate. As also an apologie of Frier Paul of the order of Serui in Venice.; De Venetorum excommunicatione, adversus Caesarem Baronium. English	Vignier, Nicolas.; Sarpi, Paolo, 1552-1623. Apologia per le oppositioni fatte dall'illustrissimo & reverendissimo signor cardinale Bellarminio alli trattati, et risolutioni di Gio. Gersone. English.; Baronio, Cesare, 1538-1607. Duo vota. English.; Catholic Church. Pope (1605-1621 : Paul V); Venice (Republic : to 1797). Doge (1606-1612 : Donato)	1607 (1607)	STC 24719; ESTC S120778	41,133	78

Where he saith Therfore let vs keepe the feast not in the leauen of malice and iniquity but with the vnleauened loues of syncerity and truth The communion is twofold wherefrom the Excommunicate are excluded Internall Externall The Inward is that by which euery faithfull man in faith and charity is first knit vnto God then to all the Saints and the whole body of the Church with the bond of the spirit which is in the Creed called the Communion of Saints of which that place of Iohn is meant 1. Ioh. 1. That which wee haueseene that which wee haue heard do wee preach vnto you that you the faithfull might haue communion with vs and that our communion might bee with the Father and with his sonne Christ Iesu From this communion it is not the Excommunication of the Presbytery but their owne sinnes which excludeth offendours For the Prophet as the mouth of God saith Your sinnes haue diuided me and you Esay 45. But Excommunication doth declare and confirme by the Churches authority that the irrepentant sinner is excluded and cut off from this communion The saying of the Schoole to that purpose is The Church doth not damnifie any man but pointeth him out that is damnified Euen as when in the Law the Priest did forbid the infected with the leprosie to enter within the Congregation This act of the Priest did not bring the sore vpon him but only declared that he was infected and hence it is the if the key go not right as the saying is but hit vpon such as be innocent the sentence pronounced is void Externall communion is of two kindes either in Church or Common wealth This latter concerneth negotiating trading and commerce in matters of ciuill course belonging vnto this present life Excommunication doth not actually depriue a man from the benefit of this but it remaines lawfull for any in ciuill affaires to negotiate with him to doe him all duties and bounden offices such as the sonne should do the father the wife her husband the subiects their magistrate for euen to Ethnickes and Pagans such natural seruices be returnable Ecclesiastical communion is that wherein we communicate together in those things which in the Church of God concerne his seruice as publicke praier preaching of the Word participation of the Sacraments This last is cleerly and wholly forbidden the Excommunicare both vpon warrant of Christ his precept Matth. 7.6 Giue not holy things vnto dogges Cast not pearles before swine as also in regard of their fruit and effects lest happily they turne vnto their condemnation because they receiue vnworthily it being the nature of the Sacrament to profit onely the worthy receiuer Concerning the preaching of the word although the vnfaithfull and vnbeleeuers by warrant of the Scripture should haue accesse thereto He vseth this word so often as being the practise where he liued that so they may the sooner be reclamed by repentance yet their case is otherwise who by the Presbytery are giuen vp to Sathan And although that in former time they were not wholly excluded yet neither were they licenced but respectiuely as hauing need of rather correction than instruction conscience than science Concerning the end you alleadge very fitly Pope Nicolas saying That Excommunication is not poison to destroy but Physick to recure Which is true indeed and cleane cuts the throat of your killing office vnlesse perdy with you to kill and to heale are two words of one signification For without all question Excommunication and brotherly correction haue both but one end which end is this that A brother may be gained if it be possible the Church edified the glory of God therby aduāced So saith the apostle in expresse words 1 Cor. 5. First it is his purpose to deliuer vp to Sathan the incestuous person for the mortifying of his flesh that his spirit may be saued And secondly the wicked man is reiected from Communion with the faithfull Iest the Church might happily partake in his infection His words be these 1. Cor. 5.8 Cast you out therfore the old leauen that you may be a new lumpe Know you not that a little leauen leaueneth the whole masse Hereout the third Gods glory will easily be aduanced for when mis beleeuing Infidels shall behold that wicked and notorious offendours be in no case tolerated in the Church it cannot be but they wil greatly commend the founder thereof Iesus Christ our Lord. These things premised so pregnant that they stand without contradiction let vs see their agreement and coherence with the practised excommunication in the Papacy which will appeare void and a meere nullity Brutum fulmen rather than a censure of the Church or an holy and sacred action First it is a right resting in the whole Church But the Pope claimes it absolutely for his owne peculiar so farre as he may absolue and excommunicate at his pleasure yea actually doth both bind and loose Francis Vargas in R●sp de iurisdict Episcop in the most remote places from him The power saith Franciscus Vargas resteth only in his hands to Excommunicate Absolue Dispence Reserue cases Conferre Indulgences Benefices and such like to make Lawes enact Statutes punish reward rule and moderate the Hier archie of the Church All which power and if there be any other of like nature hereto is thought to be deriued vpon Inferior Bishops from the chiefe Bishop alone And not only so but to rest in him as in the Originall and sure head from whom al other do receiue that whasoeuer which they haue As though Christ the springing Well of life or those Fountains from whence we are willed by Esay to draw foorth saluation with reioycing Esay 12. were dried vp and no hope to attaine eternall life but by recoursing to the Cesterns of Rome Thus neuer did the auncient Councels decree it was not their intent that all power in the Church should be confined vpon this proud Tarquine Read and obserue but these Canons The 6. of the Nicene Councell Let ancient Customes bee retained Concil Tom. 1. The Churches in Lybia Egypt and Pentapolis let them obey the Bishop of Alexandria seeing this is the vsage in the Church of Rome In like maner throughout all other prouinces let the Metropolitanes of Antioch and Ierusalem retaine their rights and priuiledges without impeachment What singular priuiledge or prerogatiue hath the Bishop of Rome bestowed on him heere beyond the other his equall Patriarchs The 13. Canon of the Councell of Antioch Concil Tom. 1. Let no Bishop dare to passe from Prouince to Prouince and giue orders in Churches there vnlesse hee bee sent for by the Metrapolitane and the Bishops that bee with him But if not beeing sent for or called at all he shall inordinately and insolently presume to goe and giue Orders make Ecclesiasticall constitutions whereto hee hath no right let there bee a Nullitie of all his acts himselfe be put vnder censure for his insolency and

Benadad so you terme his most Christian Maiesty in vain assaulting that City wherein Eliseus you meane Panigarola the firebrand of war and Doctor of treason seeing all his hopes dashed and come to naught hath left the siege and is dislodged which words lest they might incense the King are I know not by whose aduise rased one of that copy which is in the Kings library at Paris the leafe being taken out of the booke as by the letters in the Register appeares but may bee found and seene in all other copies whatsoeuer that go abroad in mens hands Thus you make no bones to call the Lords anointed most Impious Wilfull Benadads Nay you prefer the butchering of them for so haue some of your Popes done before the worke of our Redemption as is euident by the speech of Sixtus the fifth which he made vnto the Cardinals in the Consistorie at Rome the xj of September in the yeere 1589. vpon the murther of Henrie the Third Come wee now to that conclusion which you deduce from the such worthy premises before specified You haue the same triall B you say to try Against whom good Sir What against the Venetians See how fitly your proofe doth fit the purpose These ruines lie B that I may say with Esay in your handes I acknowledge Esaies words Esay 3. and withall confesse that hee foresheweth the State of the people of the Iewes shall be so full of trouble of miserie so farre past hope of al recouery that it shal be impossible to find a man who vpon any intreaty wil take vpon him the gouernment and ordering of that State for feare of dangers and despaire of doing good One shall take a friend of his owne kindred by the bosome and say Esay 3 6. Thou hast cloathing thou shalt bee our head and stay this mine with thy hand Then what followes But he shall swear and say I can not help you I will not bee your Lord there is neither meat nor clothing in my house make mee therefore no ruler of the people The Venetians I dare say wil vse no such speech vnto your Pope neither if they should would the Pope make them the Prophets answer vnlesse peraduenture in some such sort as hee vseth in the day of his Consecration when rising vp from his dirty seat after the Cardinals vttered these speeches He raiseth the lowly out of the dust and the poore out of the mire that he may set him with Princes Lib. 1. Ceremon sect 7. and possesse the seat of glorie to take out of the Chamberlains lappe sitting by him as much mony as hee can graspe in his hand and yet there is neither siluer or gold in his lappe nor doth hee take any out and cast it vnto the people with these words Siluer and gold haue I none Act. 4 Or else when he is bereft of all power vsurped as one day he must needs be according to that Prophecy Reuel 17.16 then he shal be inforced to say In my house is neither bread nor clothing Wherto that you haue any reference or that it is your purpose to forspeak that I do not nor I can not say it It is not my purpose to insist vpon that which followeth in Baronius his writing lest I might ouercloy the reader For that which hee hath touching succession to Peter and the promise made vnto him hath been so often alledged and refuted that to shape an answer thereto were againe to do which is alreadie done and to haue my labour for my pains For as that vngratious Iulian being beside his right wits would haue it be beleued Socrates in Histor Eccles that the soul of Great Alexander was in him so the Popes of Rome out of the same phrensie do perswade themselues that Saint Peters soule by right of Succession dwelleth in them And therupon whatsoeuer honour or right Saint Peter had they claime it as hereditarie vnto themselues and make it their owne And so instile themselues Peters Successors For though we should grant that this promise alleadged And the gates of hell shall not preuaile did belong to Peter alone which yet is false and not granted what hath the pope to do therewith or what hath he to do with Saint Peter what one thing is there wherein he doth partake with him In preaching the Gospell but the Pope preacheth not In feeding the Flocke neither doth hee feed any flocke In exalting himselfe aboue Kings and Princes Peter did not so hee neuer so much as drempt thereof What then In succession vnto and sitting in Peters chaire at Rome But Peter when that priuiledge was conferred on him by Christ was in Palestina not at Rome and should haue enioied it although he neuer had seene Rome Away then with this Pythagoricall Transanimation by which the soule of Peter the Indowments of Peter the Sanctitie of Peter are transfused and go vnto all Siluesters all Hildebrandes all Sergiusses or Hogges snouts all Iulies Sixties Gregories the Successors of Peter That which you alleadge Baronius out of Ieremie I haue made the a Pillar of iron and a wall of brasse Ier. 1. B deserueth to bee laughed at and contemned As if that good man Ieremie who subiected himselfe vnto the state of Kings and by them was cast in prison against whom the Princes and people men and woemen great and small did barke and exclaime were masked in robes royall and led along with princely pompe his Papall triple diademe on his head to rule the rulers of the earth and reigne ouer them with plenary power or as if a man might imagin not be held a mad man for his such imagination that long before the birth of Christ the first stone of the Papacie was laid in Ieremie Such like franticks bee those fellowes who conceit that the originall of Monckerie was from Elias or yet more ancient from Adam a Gods name before Eue was made out of his side This is ridiculous but that which followeth blasphemous and what Christian eare can endure to hear it that this Parasite claweth his Pope withall Remember you stand as a rocke in the church B Esay 8. against which which who so dasheth shall be dashed in pieces which euen by the witnesse of Saint Peter is nothing else then to cast Christ Iesus to whom alone this doth agree 1. Pet 2. from his high Throne of Maiestie Yet this is that smooth eloquence of Rome not misliked by the Popes from whence these flowers of the Canonists came The Pope is in Primacie Abel in Zeale Elias in Mildnesse Dauid in Power Peter in Vnction Christ From whence that acclamation came directed once vnto the Pope Thou art all and ouer all In the last laterane Councell All power is giuen thee in Heauen and Earth But lie and flatter as fast as you can Christ at length will winne the day And that seducer Sathan together with the beast and false prophet shall bee cast into

And moreouer is the said Duke and Senate within 24. daies reckoning from the day of the publication of these presents in this Cittie whereof we appoint vnto them eight daies for the first eight for the second and the other eight for the third and last delay and for monition Canonicall do not reuoke publiquely the foresaid Decrees and all that is therein conteined and which is thereof insued laying aside all excuse and exception and do not cashire and deface the Recordes and Registers and places where they shall bee kept and cause to be published by them and publiquely declared in all the lands and territories vnder their obedience that no man is bound to the obseruation of them and do not returne al that is thereon ensued to it first estate and if they do not promise neuer more to enterprise to make the like Decrees and Statutes against the libertie immunitie and iurisdiction of the Church against our authoritie and the holy Sea Apostolique and certifie vs of the said reuocation cassation restitution and promise and if presently they do not put the foresaid Canon and Abbat into the handes of our said Nuntio In the authoritie of God Almightie and of the thrise-blessed Apostles Saint Peter and Saint Paul hauing for the present and for heereafrer excommunicated we pronounce and declare excommunicated the Duke and Senate of the Common-wealth of Venice which at this present are or heereafter shall be there their fauourers Counsellers and adherents and euerie one of them albeit they be not named in these presents as well as if the names of them and euery one of them had there been specially expressed so that they can not obtain absolution nor be discharged of the said sentence of excōmunication but only at point of death by none other than our self or the Pope for time being without all possibility of helping themselues by any facultie to them granted or to be granted in general or to any of thē in particular And if it happen that in extremity of death any of them be absolued from the said sentence of Excommunication who afterward recouers his health hee shall thereupon fall againe into the ●●me excommunication vntill as much as in him lieth he hath obeyed And neuerthelesse if hee die after the obtaining of the said absolution that he be depriued of the buriall of the Church till that our commandement be obeyed And if the foresaid Duke and Senate three daies after the foresaid 24. daies be expired harden their hearts which God forbid enduring the said sentence of excommunication not obeying the same for the present as also for hereafter we haue and do put to the Interdict of the Church the Citie of Venice and the other townes burrowes castles seigniories and all places whatsoeuer and generally all the temporall demaines of the said Common-wealth during which interdict none may in the foresaid Citie of Venice the burrowes Castles and Seigniories of the said Common-wealth say in the Churches and places of deuotion oratories priuate and houshod Chappels neither in publique nor in priuate any masses solemne or not solemne nor celebrate diuine seruice except in cases to vs permitted and reserued and then only in the Churches and no where else as also the dores shut without sound of bell and without the assistance of any the foresaid excommunicate and interdicted and nor otherwise whatsoeuer dispensations and priuiledges Apostolique which haue beene granted to any Churches as well secular as regular and whatsoeuer exemptions that they haue and that they are immediately subiect to the sea Apostolique and although they depend on the patronage or foundation dotation of the foresaid Duke and Senate not in generall only and vnder the name of the Common-wealth but each one in particular of the Citizens and Subiects of the same of all the fees and goodes which they hold of the Church vnder what title soeuer and declare them depriued of the said fees and goodes and of all priuiledges which haue beene granted and giuen vnto them by any of our Predecessors as namely to take cognisance of the crimes and defaults of Ecclesiasticall persons And neuerthelesse if the said Duke and Senate too opinatiue shall any longer harden themselues in their contumacie wee reserue especially to our selues and our successors the Popes the power to aggrauate and reaggrauate the censures and penalties Ecclesiasticall against them and their adherents and those that shall any way aid counsell or abet them and to recouer them by other remedies in time conuenient and to proceed against them according to the disposition of the holy Canons notwithstanding any constitutions and ordinances Apostolique priuiledges dispensations grants and other letters Apostolique in fauour of the said Duke and Senate in generall or any other persons in particular Namely those by vertue whereof they pretend that they cannot bee interdicted suspended nor excommunicated although the said letters do not make expresse mention word for word and with Derogatorie of Derogatories and other clauses as also all other Decrees and specially all faculties of absoluing in cases reserued to vs and the sea Apostolique and to them granted on the contrary by our predecessors and approoued and confirmed by vs and the holy sea Apostolique all which and euery one of them wee haue repealed and do repeale and all things heereto contrarie And to the end that these presents may come to the knowledge of all we appoint vnto you and to euery one of you most expresly enioine and command that by vertue of the holy obedience which you ow to the holy Sea and apprehension of the last iudgement of interdict from the entrie of the Church of suspension of your charges and perception of the fruits and reuenews of your houses Patriarchall Archiepiscopall Episcopall as much as to you belongeth our brethren the Patriarches Archbishops and Bishops and of priuation of dignities offices and benefices Ecclesiasticall whatsoeuer by you possessed at this present and in hability to possesse them heereafter and forasmuch as our Sonnes the Vicars and other forenamed depend vpon you that vpon paine of incurring the penalties which in case of disobedience wee shall thinke necessary and whereof you shall receiue these presents or that otherwise they shall come vnto your knowledge you by your selues or others cause to be published solemnly euery one in his Church when there shall be greatest number and concourse of people and cause these to be fixed and set vpon the doores of your Churches And moreouer we will that in euery respect like credit be giuen to the doubles and copies of these in like manner printed so be it they be signed with the hand of some publicke Notarie sealed with the seale of some persons being in dignity Ecclesiasticall as to the originall it selfe if it were exhibited and shewed and that these presents or the double and copie of them so printed as hath beene said being affixed to the doores of the Church of Lateran and palace of