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A69095 The third part of the Defence of the Reformed Catholike against Doct. Bishops Second part of the Reformation of a Catholike, as the same was first guilefully published vnder that name, conteining only a large and most malicious preface to the reader, and an answer to M. Perkins his aduertisement to Romane Catholicks, &c. Whereunto is added an aduertisement for the time concerning the said Doct. Bishops reproofe, lately published against a little piece of the answer to his epistle to the King, with an answer to some few exceptions taken against the same, by M. T. Higgons latley become a proselyte of the Church of Rome. By R. Abbot Doctor of Diuinitie.; Defence of the Reformed Catholicke of M. W. Perkins. Part 3 Abbot, Robert, 1560-1618. 1609 (1609) STC 50.5; ESTC S100538 452,861 494

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nostri_fw-la triduo_fw-la illo_fw-la corporeae_fw-la mortis_fw-la apud_fw-la inferos_fw-la custodiae_fw-la mancipetur_fw-la that_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o thief_n be_v forthwith_o call_v to_o paradise_n the_o soul_n of_o our_o saviour_n shall_v for_o the_o three_o day_n space_n of_o his_o bodily_a death_n be_v in_o custody_n in_o hell_n thomas_n aquinas_n be_v of_o opinion_n that_o inseros_fw-la that_o thom._n aquin._n sum_n pa._n 3._o qu._n 52._o art_n 1._o in_o corp_n conueniens_fw-la fuit_fw-la christian_a ad_fw-la infernum_fw-la descendere_fw-la quia_fw-la ipse_fw-la venerat_fw-la portare_fw-la poenas_fw-la nostras_fw-la ut_fw-la nos_fw-la a_o poena_fw-la eriperet_fw-la ex_fw-la peccat●_n autem_fw-la homo_fw-la incurrerat_fw-la non_fw-la solum_fw-la mortem_fw-la corporis_fw-la sed_fw-la etiam_fw-la descensum_fw-la ad_fw-la inseros_fw-la it_o behoove_v that_o christ_n shall_v go_v to_o hell_n because_o he_o come_v to_o bear_v our_o punishment_n so_o to_o deliver_v we_o from_o the_o 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