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A13773 Positions lately held by the L. Du Perron, Bishop of Eureux, against the sufficiency and perfection of the scriptures maintaning the necessitie and authoritie of vnwritten traditions. Verie learnedly answered and confuted by D. Daniell Tillenus, Professor of Diuinitie in the Vniuersitie of Sedan. VVith a defence of the sufficiency and perfection of the holy scriptures by the same author. Faithfully translated. Tilenus, Daniel, 1563-1633.; Du Perron, Jacques Davy, 1556-1618. Discours sur l'autorité.; Tilenus, Daniel, 1563-1633. Defence of the sufficiency and perfection of the holy scripture. aut 1606 (1606) STC 24071; ESTC S101997 143,995 256

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nor_o popular_o that_o be_v to_o say_v abusive_o say_v thus_o 55_o de_fw-fr vera_fw-la lig_n cap._n 55_o let_v not_o our_o religion_n be_v after_o our_o own_o fantasy_n for_o whatsoever_o truth_n may_v be_v in_o they_o yet_o our_o religion_n be_v better_a far_o than_o any_o thing_n we_o can_v fain_o of_o our_o own_o head_n and_o a_o little_a after_o let_v not_o our_o religion_n be_v the_o worship_v of_o dead_a man_n for_o if_o they_o have_v live_v religious_o they_o be_v not_o such_o as_o that_o they_o will_v desire_v any_o such_o honour_n but_o will_v have_v we_o honour_v he_o by_o who_o being_n illuminate_v they_o rejoice_v in_o that_o we_o be_v servant_n with_o they_o of_o that_o which_o they_o have_v obtain_v they_o shall_v therefore_o be_v honour_v for_o imitation_n not_o worship_v by_o religion_n 24._o