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A00294	A booke intituled, The English Protestants recantation, in mattersof religion wherein is demonstratiuely proued, by the writings of the principall, and best learned English Protestant bishops, and doctors, and rules of their religion, published allowed, or subscribed vnto, bythem, since the comminge of our King Iames into England, that not onely all generall grownds of diuinitie, are against the[m], but in euery particular cheife question, betweene Catholicks & them, they are in errour, by their owne iudgments : diuided accordingly, into two parts, whereof the first entreateth of those generall grounds, the other of such particular controuersies, whereby will also manifestely appeare the vanitie of D. Morton Protest. Bishop of Chester his boke called Appeale, or, Ansuueare to the Catholicke authour of thebooke entituled, The Protestants apologie.	Broughton, Richard.	1617 (1617)	STC 10414; ESTC S2109	209,404	418

Minor now thus proued by them M. Perkins speaching of the doctrine of that time in the Church in this matter speaketh thus There was in the Church Intercessio singularium Perlins probl pag. 89. prosingularibus Intercession to Saincts in particular for men or things in particular This hee testifieth for inuocation to Saincts and their prayers for men in particular for hee had with other Protestants graunted before a generall Intercession of the Saincts for those that lyue Pag. 88 sup And citeth for particular inuocation the histories of Eusebius and Palladius And addeth further thus The auncient Fathers were wont in their Masses In liturgijs to recite the names of Pag. 89. sup Martyrs and Saincts requiring further and asking our Lord that hee would graunt this or that by their prayers or intercessions Hee might haue Pag. 93. sup added more with truth if it had pleased him that those Auncient Masses or liturgies had diuers particular prayers vnto Saincts And this doctrine of particular prayer and inuocation of Saincts was so generally vsed both in the publicke Masses and by the Fathers of that time That this Protestant writer both freely acknowledgeth it and calleth it syn and sacriledge in them his words be these The auntient Fathers especially Perkins sup pag. 93. after 400. yeares of Christ did syn in the inuocation of Saincts yea were guiltie of sacriledge And for this doctrine so chargeth amonge others these holy and learned Fathers S. Pag. 94. sup Paulinus Fortunatus S. Leo S. Ephrem S. Fulgentius P. Damianus Prosper c. And this is the straunge Idolatrie wherewith some of these men haue so fondly accused Catholicks and therefore notwithstanding all their shewe of desire to be tryed by the Fathers M. Ormerod seeing how they Ormerod pict pap pag. 26. condemne Protestants for deniall of this prayer and inuocation speaketh thus of those holy and learned Fathers They did not ponderously consider of this question Is not this a ponderous consideration of so worthie a Protestant writer to condemne all antiquitie of want of consideration when the lett not with his humour and yet hee writeth further thus Allthough the Auncient Fathers Pag. 27. sup had all ioyntly embraced this opinion yet are not wee therefore bownd to receaue it Where hee dealeth as old Protestants were vsed to doe not to regard any Authoritie but what pleaseth them But to proue by the confession of Protestants that this was the doctrine of the primatiue Church this is sufficient Yet I add M. Middleton who writeth Middleton papistom pag. 129. thus Austin teacheth vs That Christians celebrated the memories of Martyrs for these two intents That wee may be associate to their meritts and holpen with their prayers And D. Morton alledgeth Morton Apol. part 1. pag. 227. 228. how all Antiquitie taught inuocation of Saincts Lastely in this Question I argue thus No doctrine which denieth any Article of our Creede is true or to be receaued But the deniall of Angells and more strongely of Saincts whose Communion is in the Creede to offer vpp our prayers which wee in earth make is to deny an Article of our Creede Therefore it is not true nor to be receaued The Maior is euident by Protestants The Minor is thus proued by D. Couell Couell against Burges pag. 89. who disputing against Burges the puritane who called this an vsurping vntruthe and taxed the Booke of Tobias because there the Angell saide hee was one of the seuen holy Angells that offer vp the prayers of the Saincts of God Answereth Couell sup pag. 90. in these words If it be an an vsurped vntruthe for the Angells to offer vp the prayers of the Church vnto God in the mediation of his sonne wee shall peraduenture depriue our selues of a greate parte of their Ministery and dissolue that communion of Saincts which wee professe to beleeue as an Article of Gods truthe Therefore I will by these Protestants conclude in this matter that the doctrine of the Romane Church herein is Orthodoxe and true and the contrary heretofore taught by Protestants false and impious And the rather because it seemeth by the Kings Canons to be excommunication Kings Canons An. 1604. can 8. to deny this Catholicke doctrine for in these Canons it is excommunication Ipso facto to affirme or teach that the forme and maner of making and consecrating Bishops Preists and deacens conteyneth any thinge in it that is repugnant to the word of God And yet the Protestant Author of the booke called Abridgment thus Abridgmēt An. 1605. pag. 30. testifieth of the oathe in that Booke of ordination The oathe of supreamacie is thus concluded so helpe mee God and all Saincts and the holy Euangelists Which the late edition by Barker Booke of Mak. Bish c deacons Oath sup hath left out The Churches that were dedicated to Saints in this Kingedome euen in the time of the Christian Britaynes and Saxons after the honor and worship that was done and due vnto them how they are named euen by Protestants the Tutelar patrons of our nation there be to many Theat of gr Britan. Examples in the late Theater to be recited CHAPTER XI WHEREIN IS PROVED BY these English Protestant writers that the Ceremonies of the Romane Church so much heretofore impugned by them are now contrariwise in their Iudgment adiudged holy auncient reuerent decent c. THE third thinge which the Protestant Relator in this his desired Attonement requireth the Church of Rome to giue ouer is to leaue their offensyue Ceremonies as hee termeth them what they be in particular hee doth not expresse but by the writings of others his Associates in Religion wee may iustely suppose hee moste aymeth at the ceremonyes vsed in the holy sacrifice of Masse crossings candells and such as I will iustifie by themselues in this Chapter particularly reciting them or the cheefest which I now omitt in this place to auoyde Repetitions to which I am often forced And first concerninge Ceremonyes by what Authoritie they may be ordayned and being so duely ordayned of what authoritie and reuerent estimation they ought to be ensueth thus by these Protestants Their publicke Articles haue thus Articul Relig. 20. sentenced The Church hath power to decree Rites or ceremonyes and authoritie in controuersies of faith Then much more must that her authoritie needs extend to accidentall things in Religion such as these ceremonies are D. Couell Couell modest examinat pag. 64. 65. telleth vs they be to be had in such Respect that to vse his words The primatiue Councells haue condemned them as Hereticks onely for being stiffely opposite in this kinde And entreateth Couell sup pag. 56. of them in these words following Wee call them Ceremonies properly all such things as are the externall Act of Religion which haue their commendation and allow ance from no other cause but onely that in Gods worshipp they are vertuous furtherances of his

exercised when by Protestants confession is was in her Florisheing and best estate a Rule to all Anker of pietie cheife and onely Church that it still ought to enioy and wee to graunt vnto it But in that time it claymed and exercised supreamacie ouer all Therefore it ought now to enioy it and wee to graunt it The Maior is euident for that which is a Rule to all may not be crooked neither that which is confessed cheife be made Inferior And that the Church of Rome had those eminent priuiledges is thus proued by these Protestants our Kinge saith of this Romane Kings speach in Parlam Churche it is our mother Church it was a Rule to all bothe in doctrine and ceremonies when it was in her florisheinge and best estate D. Couell writeth thus The Churche of Rome was the cheife and Couell def of Hook onely Churche M ● Ormerod calleth it the eye of the west in which diussion England is and Ormerod pict pap pag. 184. Down l. 2. Antichr pag. 105. the Anker of pietie D. Downame graunteth it was a note of a Good Christian to cleane vnto the Roman Apostolicall Churche The seconde proposition that the Church of Rome claymed and had supreamacie in that vnspotted and primatiue time of Christianitie is also proued in the former for that which is Mother Rule to all bothe in doctrine and ceremonies cheife Churche c. must needs be graunted supreame Yett to proue it further D. Sutcliffe citeing S. Sutcliffe subu pag. 57. Irenaeus lyueing neare the Apostles time and longe before any generall Cowncell or Christian Emperour to giue supreamacie to the See of Rome writeth thus Irenaeus saith that euery Church ought to haue respect to the Church of Rome for her eminent principalitie Mr. Ormerod ascendeth to Pope S. Anacletus lyuing withein one hundred yeares of Christ his words be these To proue that the Church of Rome hath the preeminence ouer all Churches Ormerod pict pap pag. 78. Anacletus alleadgeth Matth. 16. vers 18. vppon this rocke will I builde my Churche and hee expowndeth it thus super hanc Petram id est super Ecclesiam Romanam vppon this Rocke that is vppon the Church of Rome will I builde my Churche And who shall wee thinke was better acquainted with the priuiledge of that highest Apostle S. Peter Bishop of Rome then this so glorious a Pope Martyr and Sainct so neare succeedeing vnto him when especially these Protestāts before haue assured vs that this supreame power was not to dye with S. Peter but to continue in the Church for euer And this was not a singular opinion of that Holy Pope and Sainct but of others also the words of D. Downame be Down l. 1. Antichrist cap. 3. pag. 35. these diuers Bishops of Rome before the time of Socrates the historiam in her that best and florishing estate contended to haue the primacie ouer all other Churches and that is the cheife scope of many of their Epistles decret all And yett in that time the Protestants confesse those Popes for Saincts and if their Epistles be decretalls and lawes to the Church as this Doctor calleth them how had not these Masters of decrees and lawemakers vnto the Church also supreame and highest power in the Church for lawes and decrees ar made by Soueraignes and not by subiects And not onely Popes but other Saincts and Doctors before and to be cited hereafter by Protestants were of the same myndc for this time it shall suffice that M ● Middleton Middleton Papistom pag. 200. writeth thus Papias lyueinge in the Apostles time taught Peters primacie and Romish Episcopalitye My next Argument or further confirmation of the former is thus That Church or gouernor that in the best and florishing estate of the Church by Protestants did clayme exercise and execute supreame highest spirituall Iurisdiction in all knowne parts of the worlde Asia Afrike and Europe was truely supreame and so still to be accompted But the Pope and Church of Rome was such Therefore supreame in authorine The Maior is euidently true for in this life no supreamacie can extend further then into the whole knowne world and all parts thereof The second proposition is thus proued by these Protestants and first of Asia amonge the Greeke Churches and priuiledges which they clayme D. Couell telleth vs that Pope Couell ag thea plea of the Inn. pag. 65. Victor a glorious Sainct and Martyr did in that best time authoritatiuely take vppon him supreamacie ouer all Asia excommunicating the Churches of it his words be inseperateing all Asia from the vnitie of the faithfull for being disobedient in the point and question of Easter And what greater supreamacie can be named in the Church then to excommunicate and purt forthe of the Churche so greate a part of the world Therefore seeing such Iurisdiction is not but in superioritie this supreamacie must needs be graunted to the Church of Rome for of all Churches of the world euen by the graunt of Protestants the Greeke Church next to the Church of Rome hath euer moste contended for superiotie and in the auncient cowncells next to the Church of Rome is moste priuiledged yett here they ar by a Sainct Bishop of Rome iustly excommunicated as by their superior for as these Protestants argue in an other place par in parem non habet authoritatem An equall against an equall hath not authoritie And Doctor Couell before hath told vs that they were thus censured by the Pope of Rome to vse his words againe for beinge disobedient in the point and question of Easter Which makes it playne in his opinion that the Pope of Rome was supreame and had highest power not onely to censure but to decree in matters of Religion and bynde others vnto it otherwise not to haue conformed themselues vnto him had not beene in these Greeke Churches disobedience which is onely against authoritie and superioritie And although S. Iraeneus disliked this proceedeing with the Asiaticall Churches Ob. as these Protestants vse to obiect yett it Answ was onely because hee thought there was not such seueritie then to be vsed not that hee denyed the power and authoritie of the Pope to doe it for of his opinion of the iustice of his supreamacie D. Sutcliffe Sucl subu pag. 57. hath wittnessed before that he saith Euery Church ought to haue respect to the Church of Rome for her eminent principalitie Therefore hee thought it had supreamacie For principalitie eminent ouer euery Church here mentioned must needs be supreamacie ouer all for euery Church being subiected vnto it none is priuiledged from subiection and obedience vnto it Next lett vs come to Afrike for which M. Perkins writeth thus Appeales were often made out of Afrike to the Popes of Rome in those Perk. problem pag. 237. 238. dayes of her best estate And yet appeales be all wayes to superiors and neuer out of forrayne kingdomes but to the highest for

chosen him that Act. 15. 7. from his mouth they might heare the Ghospell as himself alledgeth and that hee here fownded Churches and ordayned preists and deacons which is reported by Simon Metaphrastes out of the Greeke Metaphrast Centur. 1. part 7. dist 8. Antiquities and Guilielmus Eisingrenius in the first of his Centurie whoe saith that Peter was here in Neroes time Therefore if the Antiquities of the gretians and Aduersaries to the Romaue See giue this testimone vnto it wee need not be scrupulous to receaue it especially when these Protestant Bishops with their Pantaleon giue creditt to this authoritie of S. Peter ouer this kingedome in these wordes Much about these times as Beatus Rhenanus Theat sup pag. 204. n. 9. cap. 9. in his Historie of Germanie Pantaleon and others doe reporte one Suetonius a noble mans sonne in Britaine conuerted to the faith by the first planters of the Ghospell in this Iland and after his baptisme called Beatus was sent by the brethren from hence vnto Rome to be better iustructed and further directed by Saint Peter himself Therefore a dependance of this kingedome from S. Peter and the Church of Rome in spirituall things from the begynninge of Christianitie is to be allowed Which they further confirme in their historie of Kinge Lu●ius sendeinge to Pope Eleutherius at Rome about the Conuersion of this Kingedome and his sendeing hither Faganus and Damianus two famous Thea of G. Br. pag. 206. n. 18. l. 6. cap. 9. Clerkes to that purpose of whome they write in this maner These together both preached and baptized amongst the Britaines whereby many dayly were drawne to the faith And as a worthie Dicetus Deane of London a manuscript in the Kings library ad An. 178. and auntient historian saith the Temples which had beene fownded to the honor of their many Gods were then dedicated to the one and onely true God for there were in Britaine eight and twentie Flamins and three Archflamins in stead of which so many Bishops and Archbishops were appointed vnder the Archbishop of London were the prouinces of Loegria and Cornubia vnder Yorke Deira and Saint Dauids in Wales Albania vnder vrbs begionum Cambria by which meanes this happie Kingedome vnder that godly Kinge was nobly beatified with so many cathedrall Churches and Christian Bishops Sees before any other Kingedome of the world Now because these Protestants haue tolde vs before that to ordaine Bishops and teachers and to fownde Churches is an Argument of supreamacie seing all Bishops of this Kingedome were ordayned Sutcliff ag K●ll pag 105. their Sees designed and Churches fownded by Eleutherius Pope of Rome and his authoritie in those which he sent hither with that power Faganus and Damianus all spirituall and ecclesiasticall I●risdiction of that primatiue Church in this Kingedome of necessitie was deriued from the Church of Rome For although Mr Francis Mason in his new defence of the English Ministery Mason of the consecration c. pag. 52. would attribute greate priuiledge to Eluanu● and Meduinus whome as hee with his Bishops say Kinge Lucius sent to Pope Eleutherius at Rome about the conuersion of this nation standeinge vppon a Reporte in these wordes Iohn Capgraue reporteth that Eleutherius made Eluanus Bishop of Britaine and Meduinus a Doctour to preach the faith of Christ throughe the whole Iland Yett hee must needs graunt that both Order and Iurisdiction Episcopall came into and was preserued in this Kingedome from the Pope of Rome For first hee writeth of Kinge Lucius in this maner The Kinge wrote to Eleutherius desireing that by his commaundement hee might be made a Mason sup cap. 3. §. 2. Christian Secondly hee proueth Kinge Lucius had but a part of this Kingedome but the Pagan Emperors Marcus Antonius Verus and Aurelius Commodus his brother were cheife vnto Beda l. 1. histor cap. 4. the wall of seperation and Lucius was tributary vnto them Thus hee writeth of Kinge Lucius Hee had seene Christians reproched by the Pagans as infamous parsons and dispitefully Mason l. 2. pag. 52. cap. 3. §. 1. handled by the Romans that were in authoritie Therfore the Pagan Romans then were in authoritie Thirdly his owne words before That Eleutherius made Eluanus Bishop of Britaine and Meduinus a Doctor to preach the faith of Christ through the whole Iland ar cleare for Eleutherius the Pope his authoritie vniuersally ouer all for Kinge Lucius was but a tributary Kinge for one parcell of this Iland and the Romans themselues had but part Yett the Iurisdiction was giuen as before through the whole Iland Mr. Masons words be these The Romans had spred their golden Eagle ouer a greate part of the Iland The Emperor Hadrian had made a wall fourescore miles longe Antonius Pius had made an other to diuide the Romans from the Brittans and all that liued within this wall were tributary to the Romans of which number Kinge Lucius is said to be Therefore Lucius being but one of that number of tributaryes for a part of the Romans part had neither spirituall nor temporall Iurisdiction any further much lesse ouer all His words of this whole Iland ar these Yorke London Caerlegion in these three noble citties Mason sup l. 2. cap. 3. pag. 54. were the seates of the Archflamynes so there were 28. Flamynes and three Archflamynes in steade of which so many Bishops and Archbishops were appointed Therefore seing the Romans themselues had but a part of Brittaine and Lucius but a tributary part of that part and these men assuer vs that so many were assigned Bishops and Archbishoppes with their seuerall Sees and Iurisdictions ouer all this Iland comprehendeing both England conteined in the names Loegria Stowe Annal 12. cap. 1. and others and Cornubia vnto Humber the North and Scotland in Deira and Albania and Wales in Cambria as our Historians tell vs it followeth by vndeniable consequence that all spirituall Iurisdiction and authoritie in all this land now termed greate Brittaine was deduced brought in and continued from and vnder the Pope of Rome And that neither Kinge Lucius or any his successor did or in iustice could clayme any supreamacie in such causes For none of them vntill our Kinge Iames was quietly possessed of them all and yett one and the same spirituall Iurisdiction ruled in all these Kingedomes of England Scotland and Ireland Ireland subiect to Canterbury and Scotland to Yorke and all to the Pope as these Protestants acknowledge vntill late yares Therefore ridiculous it is for the Theater Protestants to giue such supreamacie to Kings because as they say Pope Eleutherius in his epistle to Kinge Lucius calleth him the vicar of God in his Kingedome for by that Kinde of reasoninge euery vicar in his parish being so called might clayme such supreamacy And the Presbytery must needs be obeyed of all But if wee may beleeue these men that the lawes of S. Edward doe warrant S. Eleutherius

the pictures of the Cherubyns Then if the pictures of Cherubins being mere Creatures were publickly in the temple worshipped how much more is the picture and Imadge of their and our Lord Iesus Christ to be had in reuerence and so to be vsed And so of Imadges of his seruants and Saincts in their due proportion Because the Saincts themselues may be honored and prayed vnto as I am to proue by these Protestants in the next chapter And this is further proued by these Protestant Theat of gr Britt pag. 342. n. 2. Bishop in their Theater where they testifie in these words By the cleargie that are accompted the light of the worlde in a Councell at Rome held vnder Pope Constantyne the first it was decreed and commaunded that carued Imadges should be made to the memoriall of Saints and should be set vp in Churches with respectiue adoration Which is to be referred vnto and terminated in the prototypa Saints represented by such Imadges and by such Images yeelded vnto them and in them ended And in an other place they call such Imadges Monuments of Christian Religion and sufficiently proue they were euen from the time of Christ both vsed for the memory and reuerence of Christ or his Saints whome they represented Their words of the miraculous Imadge erected in honor of Christ by the woman in the Ghospell cured by the hemm of his garment touched and reuerenced by her testified by Eusebius and others are these Iulian the Apostata destroyeth all monuments of Theat pag. 266. Christian Religion amonge others the Imadge of Christ made of brasse at Caesarea Philippi where the miraculously curing herbe grewe And they condemne him for this wickednes in ouerthrowing that Imadge erected to the honor of Christ and miraculously confirmed both to be religeously erected to his honor and so continued But let vs come into our owne nation where they will giue vs some light though by them misted what they can in what reuerence these haue beene vsed in this Iland euen from the first conuersion of the Brittaynes and euer after both with Kings and subiects Of Subiects thus they write In Diocletian his time a thowsand Saints suffered Martyrdome at Lichfeild in Theat pag. 206. n. 19. memorye whereof the citye beareth armes to this day in an Eschacheon of Landskip sondry parsons diuersly martyred Of our Christian primatiue Kings Pag. 207. n. 22. first they write thus Our Kings ranked for sanctitie before all other potentates of the earth as Vincentius Pag. 206. n. 20. recordeth Then thus The virgin Mary with her sonne in her Armes in the ensigne of Arthur so often desplayed for Christ doth shewe the badge of that ages Christianitie And againe In Pag. 207. n. 21. the auntient Charters of the fowndation of Glastenbury it is called Origo Religionis in Anglia in an other Tumulum Sanctorum ab ipsis discipulis Domini aedificatum fuisse vener abilem The beginninge of Religion in England that it was a graue of Saints builded by the disciples of our Lord and vener able Kinge Arthur benefactor vnto it his Armes there an Escucheon whereon a crosse with the virgin Mary in the first quarter is set and held to be the Armes of that Abbey And further of our English Kings in this order from the yeare of Christ 643. they testifie how they honoured these holy Imadges in their moste honorable Ensignes and badges of honor Kinge Oswy giueth Pag. 385. n. c. a playne crosse in euery part a Lyon Rampant The next Kinge Wlfhere a S. Andrewes crosse So these Kings following Kinge Ethelred Kenred Chelred Ethelbald Offa Egfride Kenwolfe to the yeare 800. And so they recompt after of Kinge Egbert Ethelwolfe Ethelbald Ethelbert Ethelred Elfred Edward syrnamed the elder Ethelstan Edmund Edred Edwy Edgar Edward syrnamed the Martyr Ethelred Edmund syrnamed Ironsyde and Edward the Confessor And of these English Kings in an other place they write in this maner The Saxons before Kinge William his time vsed onely Pag. 424. n. 60. to signe their Charters with guilt crosses and such markes So greate and respectiue regard our blessed Kings of that happy age bore vnto such Imadges signes and remembrances of our Sauiour and his holy Saints that euen in their temporall actions they euer had them in presence and memory Much more in Churches and places of holy worshipp where they vsed them in as religeous respects as the Romane Church doth at this time as wee may gather by the very words of these Protestants in this booke where they write of Kinge Inas esteemed a Saint by these men themselues in these Theat pag. 298. 299. words Kinge Ine buildeth the renowned Abbey of Glastenbury moste stately to the honor of Christ Peter and Paule where formerly stood the old cell of Ioseph of Aremathea which this Kinge Ina after a most sumptuous maner new built the chapell whereof hee garnished with gold and syluer and gaue rich ornaments thereto as Altare Chalice Censor Candlesticks Bason and holy water buckett Imadges and pale for the Altare of an incredible value And how these Imadges were vsed so placed in cheefest place of adoration and with such other Instruments of Catholicke worshipp wee cannot make a question If wee should they will direct vs and make it euident that such reuerence as Catholicks now vse was then vsed vnto them Their words of Kinge Canutus are these Canutus the Danes Theat pag. 205. n. 17. greatest Kinge so soone as hee became a Christian in England held it his cheefest maiestie to be the vassall of Christ And with such deuotion as then was taught crowned the Crucifixe at Winchester with the crowne hee wore and neuer after through all his Raigne by any meanes would weare the same CHAPTER X. WHEREIN THE CATHOLICKE doctrine of prayer and honor to Saincts and Angells is proued true by these English Protestants writers NEXT I must by the Protestant Relator his order entreate of Supplication to Saints and to Angells consequently Of this matter thus wee reade in the Councell of Trent The holy Councell doth commaunde Concil trident sess 9. all Bishops and others which haue the office and chardge of teaching That according to the vse of the Catholicke and Apostolicke Church receaued from the primatiue times of Christian Religion and the consent of holy Fathers and decrees of holy Councells cheefely that they diligently instruct the faithfull of the Intercession of Saincts Inuocation honor of Relicks and lawfull vse of Imadges teaching them that it is good that the Saincts which raigne with Christ offer their prayers to God for men and that it is profitable humbly to call vppon them and to fly to their prayers ayde and helpe to obtayne benefites of God by his sonne Iesus Christ our Lord who alone is our Redeemer and Sauiour Hitherto the doctrine of Catholicks in this Question Now let vs argue from these English Protestants to the same purpuse First I

argue thus All that be in blessednes in heauen and instate of excellencie with God and worthie of honor and both heare or know our prayers and doeings and pray for vs are to be honored and may be prayed vnto But the Saincts and Angells in heauen be such and in this condition Therefore they are to be honored and may be prayed vnto The Maior is apparantly true and with those conditions graunted by these best Protestant writers The Minor that the Saincts and Angells in heauen are in that state is thus proued by these English Protestants D. Feild writeth thus The Feild l. 3. c. 31. pag. 143. Saincts in heauen doe pray for all in generall And thus againe of Vigilantius the Hereticke Yf hee absolutely denyed that the Saincts departed doe pray for vs wee thinke hee erred for wee Protestants hold they pray in genere Then it is proued the Saincts be in heauen and glorie a state worthie honor and that they pray for vs now I will proue they heare our prayers by these Protestant writers because they teach vs that they knowe our Protestations Professions and expect our seruyces D. Feild to make vs know that hee thinketh they knowe these things for Feild pag. 192. a Doctor may not make things that vnderstand not to vnderstand and be made wittnesses of things they knowe not hath these words Wee protest and professe before God men and Angells his frend D. Willet writeth thus Willet Antil in epist dedic anglic That the Angells expect his Maiesties faithfull seruice Then they knowe his seruice And if they knowe the deeds and seruices of princes and Kings are to doe their seruice faithfully No doubt but they knowe the deeds of Subiects also and in doeing faithfull seruice the subiect is not to be freed where the Soueraigne is not exempted And concerninge Prynce Henry his sonne thus their Theater prayeth vppon whose parson I pray that the Theat of gr Britt pag. 37. n. ● Angells of Iacobs God may euer attend to his greate glorye and greate Britaynes happines And as these for the Kinge and his sonne So the Protestant Bishop of Lincolne D. Barlowe enueying against his Catholicke Aduersarie not writing of Q. Elizabeth as himself did Barlowe Answere to a nameles Oath pag. 69. freeing her from all mortall syn in her whole life hath these words ô blessed Trinitie and all you glorious Angells can you endure this hellish blasphemye and brooke these slawnderous us impieties in silence and vnreuenged Then I hope if a Protestant Bishope may inuocate and pray to the Angells to take reuendge to hurt and hinder mee it will be as agreeable to the lawes of Charitie and true Religion to desire their help assistance and pray vnto them to releyue our wants in our time of necessitie or at any time to honor them The like vnto this is written by D. Wilkes and other Wilkes obedience pag. §. 3. Wotton def of Perk. pag. 12. Protestants And M. Wotton proueth the same of the Saincts in heauen in this maner The Saincts departed wee loue and honor of their credit with God wee doubt not their care of men wee deny not And to assure vs that they haue not a care of vs onely in generall but in particular also and so knowe our actions first M. George Close parson of blacke Torrington in deuonshire M. George Close ser before the Iudges at Exeter in his sermon before the Iudges at Exeter mouing wicked lawyers to Repentance vrgeth it in these words So shall the Angells reioyce in your contrition allmightie God accept your Confession and the whole world keepe an holy day for your satisfaction Therefore if the Angells knowe our particular internall Actions such as Contrition and sorrowe of mynde is how much more those that be externall and in no wayes shrowded from their vnderstandings And to this veritie his Maiestie himself giueth testimonie speaking Kings speache die 21. Martij An. 1609. at Whitehall thus It is a Christian dutie in euery man reddere rationem fidei and not to be ashamed to giue an account of his profession before men and Angells as oft as occasion shall require Therefore seing Auditors in taking Audite must needs knowe the Reckonings and Accompts of their Accomptants the Angells and Saincts cannot be Ignorant of our Actions done before them as his Maiestie expresseth And D. Couell in Examination of Puritaine writeth thus Couell examinat pag. 195. Doth any man thinke the Angells doe not help vs being ministring spirits and seing God hath giuen his Angells chardge ouer vs may wee not pray to haue their assistance From whence thus I argue againe They that be in glorie can helpe vs and haue charge ouer vs to minister and men may pray to haue their assistance and they attend to further our requests may be requested and prayed vnto But the Angells and consequently the Saints in heauen be in these conditions towards vs Therefore they may be requested and prayed vnto The Maior is euident and the Minor also sufficiently proued by this last citation from D. Couell and thus confirmed agayne Couell exam sup pag. 178. by him The Angells attend to further our Requests Therefore wee may request their help Further I argue thus That which is the doctrine of the L. Protestant Archbishops and D. Feilds true Greeke Church may not be reiected But this doctrine of prayer and honor to Saincts and Angells is such Therefore not to be reiected The Maior being before graunted The Minor is thus proued by the Greeks in their censure of Protestants where speaking of the one onely true God they haue these words Hieremias in censur cap. 21. Wee doe not acknowledge other for God besids thee But wee make all Saincts Mediators and cheefely and excellently aboue all others the Mother of God himself Mary the Mother of God And wee constitute all Saincts Mediators and Aduocates for vs. And they pray not onely for vs but also for those which be deade so that they dyed not in mortall syn For in such a case no Iob or Daniell though they should stand vp to pray should deliuer their children Wee call vppon our Lady Angells Archangells that Precursor and Prophet of our Lord the Baptist also the glorious Apostles Prophets Martyrs and holy Pastors and Doctors also the Companie of holy women and all Saincts to make intercession for vs synners Hitherto the Censure of the Greeke Church both teaching the same doctrine with the Church of Rome and preuenting the friuolous obiections of Protestants in this poynt Againe thus I argue That which was the doctrine of the primatiue Church free from superstition as his Maiestie wittnesseth Confer pag. 69. is true doctrine and to be embraced But the practize and doctrine of the Romane Church to pray to Saints was the doctrine of that time Therefore it is true and to be embraced The Maior is graunted and proued by Protestants before And the

there by them esteemed truly worthie of honor And how honorable such holy Relicks haue euer beene especially in this nation from the first conuersion thereof to Christ these Protestants themselues in their Theate● though so much as they can suppressing all honor and memory of such things will sufficiently testifie Concerninge the often and frequent pilgrimadges to Rome to visitt and reuerence the holy monuments and relicks there they haue told vs before in these words Not onely Preists and lay men vowed and Theat pag. 305. performed pilgrimadges to Rome but Kings Queenes and Bishops also did the like And in particular in these words Kinge Kenred abandoned both crowne Pag. 307. and contry and went to Rome where of Pope Constantine hee receaued the tonsure and habit of a monke at the Apostles tombes Kings Cadwallader and Pag. 164. Chodwald if not both one abandoned their kingedoms about the yeare 682. touke habitt of Religion in Rome so Kinge Iuor a Brittaine and Kinge Iue a Saxon. Ceadwalla King of the west Saxons goeth on Pag. 298. pilgrimadge to Rome Kinge Inas after hee had raigned Pag. 298. in greate prosperitie 37. yeares and odd moneths professing voluntary pouertie went to Rome where in the habitt of a Religeous man hee ended his life in pore estate Kinge Osroy vowed a pilgrimadge to Rome Pag. 338. 345. Pag. 391. Kinge Offa in greate deuotion went to Rome I haue spoken before how Kinge Canatus went on pilgrimadge to Rome to visitt the sepulchres of S. Peter and S. Paule And so of others And Pag. 285. for Hierusalem so farr and daungerously distant thus they write Yt was an auntient custome to goe to Hierusalem on pilgrimadge with a redd crosse worne on their backe whence the name crosse-backe or in old English crouche-backe was to them attributed Whence Edmund Earle of Lancaster second sonne to Henry 3. gott that name So the crouched or Pag. 92. crossed friers And of Princes in particular thus they write Lagman Kinge of man gaue ouer his kingdome tooke the crosse wento to Hierusalem They tell vs also of Q. Helena a most vertuous religeous Pag. 205. c. 258. brittish Lady Mother to Emperor Constantine the greate her pilgrimadge to Hierusalem And agayne Offa heire to the crowne of Eastangles vppon Pag. 311. a Religeous deuotion tooke his pilgrimadge to the sepulchre of Christ And agayne Swayne eldest sonne Pag. 400. of Earle Goodwyn so potent against K. Edward the Confessor vppon a remorse of Conscience vndertooke a pilgrimadge to Hierusalem and in his returne dyed in Lycia Of Robert Father to Kinge William the Pag. 413. first they write in this maner Seeing at the city phalesia in Normandy a moste bewtifull damsell called Arlett tooke her to his bedd he begatt on her William his onely sonne and after vppon a remorse of Conscience vndertooke a pilgrimadge vnto Hierusalem from whence hee neuer againe returned Duke Robert intending his pious pilgrimadge vnto the holy Land assembled all his nobilitie caused them to sweare fealtie vnto his sonne William beeing then but seuen yeares old Entering Iury not able to trauayle was borne in a litter vppon the Saracens sholders and neare vnto the cytie meetinge a returning pilgryme desired him to report in his contrie what hee there sawe which is said hee I am caried to heauen vppon the deuills backe And to leaue forreine contries with their holy places and relicks thus reuerenced this our owne nation as it visited other contries in this respect so in the same also it was visited and frequented of them Thus they write Charles Kinge of Fraunce congratulated Pag. 345. Kinge Offa with letters of Gladnes both for his victories and Christian piecie in his land embraced desiring of Offa safe conduct for such his subiects as come to his contry in deuotion to God In which amonge other places Glastenbury was renowned for ●hat Rectory to vse their words was in the Pag. 207. charters of Edgar Edmund Elfred Edward Bringwalthius Kentwin Baldred Ina Kenwall the Conqueror Rufus and others continually termed THE GRAVE OF SAINCTS THE MOTHER CHVRCH THE DISCIPLES FOVNDATION Of the hand of Kinge Oswald thus they write After his death Pag. 337. it neuer consumed but was shrined in siluer in S. Peters Church at Bedda now Bambrough with worthy honor was worshipped for the miracles and cuers that Pag 364. it did as likewise the earth wherein his blood was spilt They tell vs also of the pilgrimadge and reuerence to the Relicks of S. Ihon of Beuerly Pag. 391. both by Kings and subiects Kinge Canutus before offered vp his crowne vppon the Martyrs Saint Edmunds tombe And honored the body of S. Elphegus at the translation 392. Pag. 83. of it from London to Canterbury The Relicks of S. Cuthbert at Durham were visited in pilgrimadge and reuerenced by our Kings and others They tell vs how the bodies of Pag. 294. the two yonge Princes Nephewes to K. Egbert were miraculously reuealed their names Ethelred and Etherbert and greately reuerenced Of K. Kenelme thus they write Pag 307. 308. Murthered obscurely buried but miraculously knowne and afterwards with greate honor and ceremony translated to the Monastery of Winchcombe which his father founded And so of that glorious and noble Saint Neote supposed to bee the sonne of Pag. 351. 352. Kinge Ethelwolfe brought vp at Glastenbury Hee planted a Monastery in Cornewall whereunto hee vsed for deuotion and studious meditation beeing one of the first diuinitie Readers in Oxford often to withdrawe himself which of his aboade there was afterwards called NEOTESTOKE and when hee was deade his body was with greate honor interred in the countrie of Huntington at a place then called ANVLFESBVRIE and afterward in regard of his Interment Saint Neotes and now Saint Needs And in the same shire of Huntington at S. Iues Pag. 57. they tell vs that S. Iue a Persian an Heremite beeing buryed his body was vncorrupted in Robes Episcopall Had in greate honor and the towne tooke denomination of him And so of others to many to bee recited CHAPTER XV. Of the reall presence of Christ and transsubstantiation in the blessed Sacrament of the Altare BECAVSE I would bee loath to omitt any one question especially of moment wherein these Protestants take exceptiō against the doctrine of the Church of Rome I will next make recitall what their two greate writers D. Sutcliff and D. Willet most dislike therein and Answere it vnto them and all others in whatsoeuer not before allowed and iustified by their owne writers D. Sutcliff making mention of those Articles Sutcliff Subu pag. 44. which hee supposeth wee cannot iustifie onely reciteth these that followe Reall presence Transsubstantiation the sacrifice of Christs bodie for the quicke and deade halfe communion Popes supreamacie Indulgences worshipping of Imadges and Purgatorie D. Willet as before assigneth these that Willet Antil pag. 264.

further prophesieth of other calamities to the Land after his death Queene Elfrida this greate patronesse of those wicked Marriadges and Murderesse of that blessed Kinge Martyr acknowledged her error and did perpetual penance for those Impieties their owne words thereof bee these Elfrida the second wise of Kinge Edgar procured the Theat pag. 372. n. 17. murder of Kinge Edward her sonne in lawe that her owne sonne Ethelred might come to the crowne and afterwards to purifie his and her husbands ghost and to stopp the peoples speaches of so wicked a fact shee founded the Abbeis of Amsbury and Whorwell in the Pag. 374. n. 10. counties of Wiltshire and South-hampton in which later shee liued with greate repentance and penance vntill the day of her death But both the life and death of them that repented not was by these mens relation odious and execrable I will onely exemplify in two Kings Ethelred before related and Kinge Edwyne before him both maintayners of Preists marriadge of Kinge Edwyne they write in these words Theat pag. 366. n. 7. 8. Pag. 369. n. 2. 3. Kinge Edwyne the day of his coronation before his nobles sittinge in counsell at that age not aboue thirteene yeares old with shamelesse and vnprincely lust abused a lady of greate estate and his neare kinsewoman Hee was a greate enemy vnto the Monkish orders whom from the monastery of Malmesbury Glastenbury and others hee expelled placing married Preists in their Romes Dunstan likewise the Abbot Saint of Glostenbury hee banished the Realme for his ouerbold reprehensions c. His subiects deny him obedience And sett vpp Prince Edgar his brother in Mercia and Northumberland not fully fourteene yeares old Edwyne then raigninge in a still decaying state was held of such is subiects in no better esteeme then was Iehoram of Iudah who is said to haue liued without beeing desired for very greefe whereof after foure yeares of his Raigne hee ended his life His wife thought to bee to Neare in the blood royall to bee matched with him in spousall bedd the subiects dislikinge of the vnlawfull marriadge the cause of Dunstans banishment failed by degrees to performe their duties to their Kinge and her they likewise forced to a seperation in the third yeare of his regardlesse gouernment The miseryes and punishments of Kinge Ethelred and this Kingedome for his syns they recompt in this maner Ethelred not able Theat pag. 376. 377. to resist the Danes his subiects not loueing him payeth vnto them 10000. pounds to depart An other peace hee purchaseth with 16000. pownds The next composition 20000. pownds Then 24000. pownds Then 30000. pownds and lastely 40000. pownds vntill the land was emptied of all the coyne the Kingdome of her glorye the nobles of courage commons of content and the Soueraigne of his wonted respect and obseruaunce The miseryes of this land for the syns of the patrons of such marriadges as now be defended and honoured in England which then it felt are to many and lamentable to be remembred at this time And a man may iustly call it a straunge Example that amonge other straunge punishments of Kinge Henry the eight that greate patron of Cranmer that marryed bishop that mared Religion and supreame head of such a Church that in his life time so iumbled tumbled and tumbled the world together should haue no better commendation of these Protestants now but to be ranked by them as the cheifest amonge wicked and iustly punished English Kings in their late published history of the worlde in these words Now for Kinge Henry the eight if History of the world in pref all the pictures and patterns of a mercilesse prince were loste in the worlde they might all agayne be paynted to the life out of the story of this Kinge And because Protestants memoryes serue them not to call to mynde the holynes sanctitie and Saints that haue beene in our English Catholicke Cleargie but like filthy swyne desyre to tumble moyle and roote in dyrt lett them cast ouer their accompts throughe out the historyes of this kingedome begynning with their owne Marriadges and tyme and so ascendinge to the first conuersion of this land to Christ and it will be no difficult Auditt to make that they themselues and those which were marryed as these be were the moste disordered prophane and irreligeous that were in our English Cleargie lett them make the calculation I may not now intend it my methode will not allowe it Being fittest for such as be partakers of such impieties Onely to begyn their reckoninge I must putt them in mynde out of their Theater and other their owne historyes penned by Protestants That as this Kingedome of our English or saxon Christians hath beene but twyse conquered and ouerrunne once by the Danes then by the Normans the greatest miseries and punishments it hath endured So the same their Theater other histories and Protestant writings neuer obiect vnto vs more Married and disordered Preists and cleargie men then at those tymes God of his mercy graunt that their third state of married ministers presage vs better bydeings and bring vs greater comforts Of vowes and profession of perpetuall chastitie and other workes of perfection it is further entreated in the proper question of such holy and religious life and conuersation CHAPTER XVIII OF PVRGATORIE AND PRAYER for the deade AFTER this lett vs entreate of prayer for the deade and Purgatorie And because these Protestāts before haue giuen so greate allowance to the Greeke Church especially D. Feild Intituling the 5. chapter of his third Feild l. 3. c. 5. in titul booke Of the nature of scisme and kindes of yt and that it no way appeareth that the Churches of Greece c. Are hereticall or in damnable schisme And it is their common assertion that the doctrine of purgatorie is onely taught by the Romane and not Greeke Church I will first thus argue from the authority thereof That doctrine which is taught by that Church which is neither hereticall nor damnably scismaticall cannot bee hereticall nor damnable but orthodoxe and Catholicke But the doctrine of Purgatorie is taught by this so Iustified Church the Greeke Church Therefore not hereticall nor damnable But orthodoxe and Catholicke The first proposition is euidently true for it is the doctrine and practice of any companie or priuate parson that giueth vnto it the denomination Hereticall Schismaticall Orthodoxe c. The second proposition is proued by these Protestant Testimonies following First the Protestant Relator writing of this Greeke Church speaketh thus With Rome Relation of Relig. c. 53. or c. 54. they concurre in the opinion of transsubstantiation and generally in the seruice and whole bodie of the Masse in praying to Saincts in auriculare confession in offeringe of sacrifice and prayer for the deade and these without any or with no materiall difference They hold Purgatorie also and worshipping of pictures Therefore these doctrines of purgatorie the rest must needs