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A57969 The due right of presbyteries, or, A peaceable plea for the government of the Church of Scotland ... by Samuel Rutherfurd ... Rutherford, Samuel, 1600?-1661. 1644 (1644) Wing R2378; ESTC R12822 687,464 804

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Christian in such a congregation or a beleeving woman is tied to preach and baptize and yet her pastor Archippus in that congregation is tied both to preach and baptize Secondly the Jews were to separate from B thaven and so are we Thirdly they were not to joyne with Idolaters in Idol-worship neither are we 2 Whereas it is said that it was not lawfull to separate from the Jewish Church because in it did sit the typicall high Priest and the Messiah was to be borne in it and because they were the onely Church on earth but now there be many particular Churches All this is a deception a non causi● pro causâ for separation from that Church was not forbidden for any typicall or ceremoniall reason not a shadow of reason can be given from the Word of God for this Because there can be no ceremoniall argument why there should be communion betwixt light and darknesse or any concord betwixt Christ and Belial or any comparting bètwixt the beleever and the infidell or any agreement of the temple of God with idols nor any reason typicall why Gods people should goe to Gilgal and to Bethaven or to be joyned with idols or why a David should sit with vaine persons or goe in to dissemblers or why he should offer the drinke offerings of these who hasten after a strange god or take up their names in his mouth This is then an unwritten tradition yea if Dagon had beene brought into the Temple as the Assy●ian altar of Damascus was set up in the holy place the people ●ught to have separated from Temple and Sacrifices both so lo●g as that abomination should stand in the holy place Nor can it be proved that communicating with the Church of Israel as a member thereof was typicall and necessary to make up visible membership as ceremoniall holinesse is for to adhere to the Church in a sound worship though the fellow-worshippers be scandalous is a morall duty commanded in the second Commandment as to forsake Church-assemblies is a morall breach of that Commandment and forbidden to Christians Hebr. 10. 25. who are under no Law of Ceremonies And it is an untruth that those who were legally cleane and not ceremonially polluted were members of the Jewish visible Church though otherwise they were most flagitious For to God they were no more his visible Israel then Sodome and Gomorrah Isaiah 1. 10. or the children of Ethiopia Amos 9. 7. and are condemned of God as sinning against the profession of their visible incorporation in the Israel of God Jerem. 7. 4 5 6 7. But shall we name and repute them brethren whom in conscience we know to be as ignorant and void of grace as any Pagan I answer That if they professe the truth though they walke inordinately yea and were excommunicated Paul willeth us to admonish th●m as brethren 2 Thes. 3. 15. and calleth all the visible Church of Corinth for he writeth to good and bad amongst whom were many partakers of the table of devils pleaders with their brethren before heathen deniers of the resurrection yea those to whom the Gospell was hidden 2 Cor. 4. brethren and Saints by calling But say our brethren to be cast out of the Iewish Church was to be cast out of the Common-wealth as to be a member of the Church and to be a member of the state is all one because the state of the Jewes and the Church of the Jews was all one and none is said to be cut off from the people but he was put to death Answ. Surely Esay 66. vers 5. these who are cast out by their brethren and excommunicated are not put to death but men who after they be cast out live till God comfort them and shame their enemies but he shall appeare for your joy Secondly that the state of Gods Israel and the Church be all one because the Jewish policie was ruled by the judiciall Law and the judiciall Law was no lesse divine then the Ceremoniall Law is to me a wonder For I conceive that they doe differ formally though those same men who were members of the state were members also of the Church but as I conceive not in one and the same formall reason first because I conceive that the State by order of nature is before the Church for when the Church was in a family state God called Abrahams family and by calling made it a Church Secondly the Kingdome of Israel and the house of Israel in covenant with God as Zion and Jerusalem are thus differenced That to be a State was common to the Nation of the Jewes with other Nations and is but a favour of providence but to be a Church is a favour of grace and implieth the Lords calling and chusing that Nation to be his owne people of his free grace Deut. 7. 7. and the Lords gracious revealing of his Testimonies to Jacob and Israel whereas he did not so to every Nation and State Psal. 147. 19 20. but say they The very state of the Iewes was divine and ruled by a divine and supernaturall policie as the judiciall Law demonstrateth to us But I answer Now you speake not of the state of the Jewes common with them to all States and Nations but you speake of such a state and policie which I grant was Divine but yet different from the Church because the Church as the Church is ruled by the morall Law and the Commandments of both Tables and also by the Ceremoniall Law but the Jewish State or Common wealth as such was ruled by the judiciall Law onely which respecteth onely the second Table and matters of mercy and justice and not piety and matters of Religion which concerne the first Table and this is a vast difference betwixt the state of the Jews and the Church Thirdly when Israel rejected Samuel and would have a King conforme to other Nations they sought that the state and forme of governmnent of the Common-wealth should be changed and affected conformity with the Nations in their state by introducing a Monarchy whereas they were ruled by Judges before but in so doing they changed not the frame of the Church nor the worship of God for they kept the Priesthood the whole Morall Ceremoniall and Judiciall Law entire and their profession therein Ergo they did nothing which can formally destroy the being of a visible Church but they did much change the face of the state and civill policie in that they refused God to reigne over them and so his care in raising up Judges and Saviours out of any Tribe and brought the government to a Monarchy where the Crowne by divine right was annexed to the tribe of Judah Fourthly it was possible that the State should remaine entire if they had a lawfull King sitting upon Davids throne and were ruled according to the Judiciall Law but if they should remaine without a Priest and a Law and follow after Baal and change and alter Gods worship as the ten
Christ to be their Head though we cannot conceive whether they be sound believers or not for a profession is sufficient to make them members of the visible body though indeed to be sou●d Believers maketh them members of Christs Body invisible 2. That Christ is the Head of the visible Church as visible i● not in all the Word of God he is the Head of the Church catholick and invisible by influence of the Life and Spirit of Christ Eph. 1 22 23. Eph. 4. 16. Coloss. 1. 18. and in a large sense may be called the Head of the church-visible as visible in regard of the influence of common graces for the Ministery government and use of the keys but because of such a degree of Christs Head-ship it followeth only that these are to be admitted members under Christ the Head whom we conceive to be ●t members of the Church as it is a Ministeriall and a governing society and for this there is not required an union with Christ as head according to the influence of the life of Christ but only an union with Christ as head according to the influence of common gifts for the governing a Ministeriall Church in which respect Christ may be called the Head of Judas the Traitor and of some other hypocriticall Professors and also though the promiscuous multitude that is a multitude of prophane Atheists and scandalous mockers be not members of Christ nor are to be acknowledged as his members but to be Excommunicated yet the promiscuous multitude of Professors whereof there be Reprobate and Elect good and bad are to be received and acknowledged as members of Christs visible body wherof he is Head in the latter sense 2. The Argument proceedeth upon the false ground before observed and discovered that Christ is Head of the Church and the Spouse redeemer and Saviour of the visible Church as it is visible which is the Arminian Doctrine of universall grace 3. If these who are conceived to be members of Christ the Head and sound Believers are to be admitted why doe you professe that Brethren of approved piety and so conceived to be Believers by you and consequently members of Christ the Head cannot be members of your Church except they sweare to your Church government which you cannot make good from Gods Word Now to refuse communion to these who are knowen to be members of Christs body and to separate from them is all one and therefore in this you separate your selves from Christs Body The Author addeth The visible Church is said to be the habitation of God by the Spirit Eph. 2. 22. to be the Temple of the Holy Ghost and the Spirit of God to dwell in them 1 Cor. 3. 16 17. To he espoused to Christ as a chaste Virgin 2 Cor. 11. and sonnes and daughters of the Lord God Almighty 2 Cor. 6. 18. And are exhorted to be followers of him as deare children Eph. 5. 1. Now how can the visible Church be the members of the Body and the Spouse of Christ c. Except they be in charitable discerning as indeed the Holy Ghost discribeth them to be Saints by calling 1 Cor. 1. 2. and faithfull Brethren Gal. 1. 2. and that not only in externall profession for these are too high stiles for hypocrites but in some measure of sincerity and truth Answ. The argument must be thus These only we are to admit members of the visible Church who in the judgement of charity are conceived to be such as were the members of the visible Church of Corinth and Ephesus But only such as are the habitation of God by his Spirit and the sons and daughters of the living God not only in profession but in some measure of truth and sincerity were the members of the visible Church of Corinth and Ephesus Ergo such onely are we to admit to be members of the visible Church Now this argument concludeth not what is in question Ergo only these are to be admitted members of the visible Church whom we conceive to be the Spouse of Christ and truely regenerated Now if our conception be erroneous as it cannot be infallible then we may admit these who are not regenerated to the Church-membership if we conceive them to be regenerated and so our Brethren say falsely that the admitted must be Saints and faithfull not only in profession but in some measure of sincerity und truth for these are members of the invisible Church who are truly and in a measure of sincerity regenerated if our conception be not erroneous yet it is by accident that they are admitted de facto who are not Saints in truth for the Church may be deceived and receive in for members of the Head Christ hypocrites and such as are not the Habitation of God by his Spirit but of Satan as is cleare in Ananias and Saphira admitted by the Apostles to Church-fellowship Acts 5. 1. 2. and in Simon Magus Acts 8. admitted to the Church and baptized by the Apostolick Church who was yet in the Gall of bitterness But. 1. The assumption is false for the Apostle admitted to be members of the Church visible of Corinth and Ephesus not only Saints by true profession but also carnall men deniers of the Resurrection partakers of the Tables of Divells and in Ephesus false Apostles and Liers Revel 2. 3. But Paul speaketh of Corinth according to the best part for the Epistle and Doctrine of the covenant is written and preached for the Elects sake and for Believers neither is the covenant of grace made with the Reprobate and Unbelievers nor doe the promises of the covenant indeed and in Gods Intention belong to the visible Church though the Word be preached to carnall men for their conviction 3 This proposition is false these onely we are to admit to the visihle Church whom we conceive to be Saints and are in the judgement of charity perswaded they are such for the Apostles admit all Professors even three thousand at one Sermon in one day Acts 2. and they could not be perswaded in the judgement of charity that they were all Saints 4. This argument sayth that all the visible Church of Ephesus was a Spouse betrothed to Christ and Saints by calling which the Word of God sayth not For were all the carnall in Corinth betrothed as one chaste Virgin to Christ were these who called themselves Apostles in Ephesus and tryed by Church censures to be Liers Revel 2. 2 3. betrothed to Christ as a chaste Virgin were all the visible Church the sinnes and daughters of the Lord God Almighty and that not only in profession but in some measure of sincerity and truth It is true the stiles given to the Church of Corinth are too high to be given to hypocrites but these stiles are not given to that Church precisely as visible and as a professing Church as you suppose but as an visible and true Church of Believers for a Church of Believers and a Church of Professors of beliefe
prove the whole Church of beleevers had from Matth. 18. 17. 1 Cor. 5. 4. Act. 15. 22. 1 Cor. 14. 23. for my part I thinke such a miraculous Church cannot be the first mould of independent Churches to be established congregations meeting in one place for to be edified by word seales and censures Yea Mr. Mather will have the whole convening as one independent congregation Act. 6. 2 3 4. and the many myriades or thousands of beleeving Jewes Act. 21. 21 22 23. to meet as one congregation Certainly the Apostles practice must be our rule and then five hundred or a thousand being so farre beneath ten or eight thousand may wel seem a number for fewnesse not competent and what shall we then thinke of seven onely or ten Now let it be considered if Rome being granted to be one Church and in which to me there was a congregation and Church in the very family of Aquila and Priscilla Rom. 16. v. 5. and whose faith was spread through all the world Rom. 1. 8. so as famous writers say the halfe of the City beleeved if they be but one single congregation meeting all in one place ard to me it is cleare there was a single congregation in the very house of Aquila and Priscilla Act. 18. 1 2 3 4. v. 26 27 28. and that Paul preached when he was there daily beside his disputing in the Synagogue when he was at Rome there was a Church at his house Rom. 16. 5. So Diodati saith on the place That the Church at Aquila his house was the assembly of beleevers who assembled themselves in their house for there were divers small assemblies in one and the selfe same City 1 Cor. 16. 19. Col. 4. 15. Greet the Church that is at their house Col. 1. 15. Salute Nymphus and the Church at his house Where Paul speaketh of believers only in a house he giveth them not the name of a Church as Ro. 16. 10. Salute them that are of Aristobulus houshold V. 11. Greet them that are of the houshold of Narcissus Phil. 4. 22. All the Saints salute you especially those that are of Caesars house I desire to know a reason of the difference of this Grammar if there were no constituted Church in the house of Aquila and Priscilla why in one Chapter the Apostle should change the phrase and I desire know what reason we have to goe from the literall meaning of the word that is a Church at Aquila his house as well as a Church at C●rinth For whereas some say that Rom. 1. 6. he saluteth not all of the house of Narcissus but onely v. 11. those which are is the Lord 1. this exception is not brought concerning the house of Aristobulus v. 10. 2 This exception confirmeth what I say because where there is not a Church and an institured Society and politicall Church-meeting in the house of any of the Saint there they are called beleevers of such a house and not a Church at such a house 3. This phrase 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 used Rom. 16. 5. 1 Cor. 16. 19. Col. 4. 19. Phile. 2. must be the same with the Saints assemblea for the Word Sacraments Act. 5. 42. in the Temple 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 from house to house daily and it must be allope with Act. 2. 46. Where they continued daily in the Temple with one accord 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and breaking bread from house to house and all one with the assembly of Disciples Act 20. 7. where they assembled for the Word and Sacrament of the Supper especially seeing as the learned acknowledge the Christians could not have Temples or houses built for the publique assemblies of the Saints as Rome and Corinth but they met in private houses which seeing it cannot be denied then were there at Rome two Churches at least one at the house of Aquila and Priscilla 1 Cor. 16. 15. and another also pertaining to the rest of the Saints at Rome And this saith that if there had beene but one single Congregation at Rome whereas one family had a Church c. 165. and so many illustrious families received the faith of Christ it is like their faith could not have been published through all the world Rom. 1. 8. if the Christian faith had not had a greater prevalency in comparison of the false God● then worshipped at Rome then to be in one poore single meeting And for the Church of Corinth I humbly conceive they could not be one single congregation if these foure circumstances be considered 1. The multitude of beleevers there 2. The multitude of Teacher● 3. The diversity of Tongues 4. A Presbyteriall meeting of Prophets 1 Cor. 14. For the first Act. 18. 9. Many of the Corinthians believed and were baptized Now if we shall believe that the Apostolique Church conjoyned preaching and baptizing the Word and the Sacraments and that the Apostles baptized none but those to whom they preached I conceive it cannot be denied but there were divers assemblies for the Word and the Sacrament for Paul 1 Cor. 14. 15. Baptized n●ne but Crispus and Gaius and the houshold of Stephanus it many were baptized other Pastors not Paul baptized them 1 Cor. 1. 14 15 16. and so they were baptized in other assemblies then in those in which Paul baptized 2. It is cleare that to comfort Paul whose spirit could not but be heavy as you may gather from Rom. 7. 2 3. because he was Act. 18. 6 7. resisted so in his ministery by the blasphemies of the Jewes rejecting the Gospel that he shooke his rayment on them and said your blood be upon your owne heads I am cleane from henceforth I will goe to the Gentiles The Lord saith unto him in a vision 9. Be not afraid but speake and hold not thy peace 10. For I am with thee and no man shall set on thee for I have much people in this City 11. And he continued there a yeere and six moneths teaching the Word amongst them Now let this in equity be considered if the gaining of one single congregation which meet for the Word Sacraments 1 Cor. 11. 20 21 22. 1 Cor. 14. 19. and also to acts of Church-censures 1 Cor. 5. 4. as our brethren teach which could not exceed one thousand conveniently in a setled and daily meeting had first been much people secondly much in comparison of thousands of the Jewes who rejected the Lord Jesus as may be gathered from comparing Act. 18. 5 6. and Act. 13. 43 46 47. with Act. 21. ●0 where it is said many thousands of the Jewes believed for the greatest part of the Iewes rejected Christ as is cleare 1 Thess. 2. 14. 15. 16. and so many more thousands behoved to reject Christ then believed Now what comfort could Paul have had in this that many thousands of the Jewes rejected the Gospell and yet all the much people that God had in Corinth were but fo●soot● to the number of one compleat Assembly of a
bee obeyed but no Church power mixt or pure and unmixt is committed to any one man but to many as to the Church Matth. 18. 17. 1 Cer. 5. 2. 3 4. 2 Cor. 2. 6 4. The Magistrate as the Magistrate hath a civill dominion ever the body goods and lives of men 2. And hath the sword to compell men to doe their duties 3. And compelleth to externall obedience and leadeth men on to godlinesse and to eternall life by externall pompe force and the terrors of bodily and externall punishment and his warfare is carnall a● the Scripture doth prove but the Church and members of the Church as they are such have no majoritie of dominion 1 Pet. 5. 3 4. Luke 22. 24. 25. over the body and goods and blood of men 2. They have not the sword nor power of the sword Joh. 18. 36. John 8. 11. Luke 12. 13. 14. 2 Cor. 10. 4. 3. The Church as the Church dealeth by the word of admonisting teaching rebuking excommunicating praying and requesting as the Scripture cleareth therefore the power of the Church and the power of the magistrate must dister in spece and nature 5. If the Magistrate be a chiefe member of the Church as a Magistrate with mixt power to make Church-Lawes then is the Church not perfect in its beeing and operations to obtaine the end convenient to the Church as the Church so long as it wanteth the Magistrate because it should bee made defective and not able to exercise all its operations for the edification of Christs body and gathering of the Saints Ephes. 4. 11. without this principall member especially seeing the Magistrate is alleadged to bee a member or integrall part of the Church such as the head or eyes otherwise without this or that professor a Church may be perfect as an army may be perfect without this or that common Souldier but wanting a Leader it should not bee perfect But so it is that the Church is and was perfect in its being and operations without the civill Magistrate the Church of Corinth where the Magistrate was a heathen and a Pagan 1 Cor. 6. 1 2 3. is yet a Church sanctified in Christ Jesus called to bee Saints 1 Cor. 1. 2 graced v. 4. inriched by Christ in all utterance and knowledge v. 5. comming behind in no gift v. 7. with power of excommunication which attaineth its proper end the saving of the spirit in the day of the Lord Jesus 1 Cor. 5. 4. A perfect body of Christ 1 Cor. 12. able to edifie the whole body 1 Cor. 14. 12. 25 26 27. having power of the seales of the Covenant 1 Cor. 11. 20 21 22 23. So was there a perfect Church-Synod without the civill Magistrate Act. 1. Act. 6. Act. 15. and all for the saving of the redeemed Church is laid upon the Eldership of Ephesus Act. 20. 28 29 30 31. without the Magistrate 6. If the King bee a mixt person indued with Church power to make canons and because annointed with holy oyle capable of jurisdiction ecclesiasticall as some say then as hee is a King by birth so is hee also borne with an ecclesiasticall power to exercise spirituall jurisdiction but Paul saith all ecclesiasticall power that hee had was given of God not borne with him hee was made not borne a Minister Col. 2. 25. the power to edifie was given him 2 Cor. 10. 8. 2. Conclusion Wee cannot by the Word of God acknowledge that difference betwixt the Magistrate and the Christian Magistrate that the Magistrat as a Magistrate hath a kingly power to rule over men as men and the Christian Magistrate hath a Christian kingly power to rule over men as they are Christians Because by one and the same kingly power the King ruleth over men as men and men as Christian men commanding by the sword and kingly power that Pastors preach sound doctrin administrate the Sacraments aright that all the Church professe Christ and abstaine from blasphemy and Idolatry Hee is the minister of God for good Rom. 13. Ergo hee is the Minister of God for all good for a Christian good and is a King compelling to a Christian good Also though the King were not a Christian magistrate yet hath hee a Kingly power to command men as Christians and it is by accident that hee cannot in that state actually command Christian duties and service to Christ because hee will not and cannot command these duties remaining ignorant of Christ even as a King ignorant of necessary civill duties cannot command them not because hee wanteth kingly power to command these civill things for undeniably hee is a Judge in all civill things but because hee hath not knowledge of them 3. Christianitie maketh him not a King over Christians as Christians for then hee could not bee their King and were not a King over Christians so long as hee wanteth Christianitie which is false for the Christians acknowledged heathen Emperours as their Kings the people of God were to obey Nebuchadnezzar Darius Cyrus and other beathen Kings Paul will have obedience and subjection due to every power Rom. 13. 1 2. 1 Tim. 2. 1 2 3. 1 Pet. 2. 7. 18. 4. It maketh way to the popish dethroning of Kings when they turne hereticks and leave off to bee members of the Christian Church which wee abhorre 5. A King is parens patriae the father of the Commonwealth Now Christianitie addeth no new fatherly power to a father over his children for a heathen father is as essentially a father as a Christian Father and a heathen commander in warre a heathen husband a heathen master a heathen doctor or teacher are all as essentially commanders husbands c. in relation to their soul diers wives servants and schollers as are the Christian commander the Christian husband the Christian master and Christian Doctor in relation to Christian souldiers Christian wives c. and no man can say that Christianitie giveth a new husband-right to the husband once a heathen over his wife that hee had not before 3. Conclusion The King is not debarred as King from the inspection oversight and care of ecclesiasticall affaires but the end of the Kingly power is not onely externall peace but also godlinesse 1 Tim. 2. 2. And in the intrinsecall end of magistracie as magistracie is not onely naturall happinesse and a quiet of life as Spalat● and after him that learned author Apollonius saith but also godlinesse that wee may lead a quiet and a peaceable life in all godlinesse and b●nes●ie Ergo in all that may conduce to life eternall hee is a King by office but in a coactive and regall way 2. The ruler is Rom. 13. 4 The minister of God to thee for good v. 3. Do that which is good and thou shalt have praise of the Ruler then looke how farre good and well doing which is praiseworthy extendeth as farre doth the intrinsecall end of magistracy reach but this good and welldoing which the magistrate as
the man 1 Cor. 14. 34. 1 Tim. 2. 11 12. but to voyce judicially in Excommunication is an act of Apostolick authority Manuscript Ib. The whole Church is to be gathered together and to Excommunicate Ergo not the Bishop and Elders alone 3. Pauls spirit was to be with them and Christs authority 4. the whole Church 2 Cor. 2. did forgive him 5. nothing is in the Text that attributeth any power to the presbytery apart or singularly above the rest but as the reproofe is directed to all for not mourning so is the Commandement of casting out directed to all Ans. 1. It is cleare that if some were gathered together in the power of Christ and the spirit of Paul that is in the authority that he received over the Corinthians for edification 2. Cor. 10. 8. and Pauls Rod 1 Cor. 4. 21. then as many as were convened Church-ways and mourned not for the same did not cast out and authoritatively forgive seeing women and believing children did convene with the whole Church and were not humbled for the sinne and yet women and believing children cannot be capable of pastorall authority over the Church which was given for edification 2. The power of the Lord Jesus that is the keys of the Kingdom of God were committed to Peter as to a Pastor Mat. 16. and power to bind and retaine to loose and pardon sinnes Joh. 20. 20 21 22. Which power is given to these who are sent as Ambassadors as the Father sent Christ v. 21. which power cannot be given to puffed up women 3. Except this be said the Text must beare that there was not a Presbytery of Prophets Governors and Teachers there of all who had a more eminent act in excommunicating and Church pardoning then the women who mourned not for by what reason our brethren would have the act of excommunicating an act of the whole Church convened including all to whom Paul writeth women and children by that same reason we may appropriate it to these only who are capable of Pauls pastorall spirit and authority according as attributes are appropriated by good logick to their own subjects else that cannot be expounded 1 Cor. 14. 31. For ye may all prophecy one by one What may all that the Apostle writeth unto 1 Cor. 1. 2. prophecy one by one even the whole Church even all sanctified in Christ Jesus called to be Saints and all that in every place call upon the Lord Iesus I thinke our brethren will not say so so when Paul sayth 1 Thess. 5. 12. Esteem highly of these that are over you if that command be directed to the whole Church of the Thessalonians which is in God our Father as the Epistle is directed to them all 1 Thess. 1. 1. then doth Paul command the Elders in Thessalonica to esteem highly of themselves for their own workes sake if exhortations be not restricted according to the nature of the subject in hand we shall mock the Word of God and make it ridiculous to all Ainsworth sayth The putting away of leaven was commanded to all Israel Ergo the putting away of the incestuous person is commanded to them all in Corinth without exception and the putting away of the Leper was commanded to all Israel I answer 1. Proportions are weake probations 1. every single woman 2. privately in her own house 3. without Churches consent and authority was to put away Leaven but it is a poore inference therefore every woman in Corinth he●e alone might excommunicate without the Churches authority and in their private houses 2. The Priest only judicially putteth away the Leper Deut. 17. 13. and the Priests without the peoples consent put out Uzzah their Prince from the Sanctuary when he was a Leper 2. Ch●on 26. 20. Manuscript Lest this judgement should be restrained to Presbyteries only he magnifieth the judging of the Saints taking occasion from thence to stretch their judicature in some cases even to the deciding of civill causes rather then that they should fly suddenly to Law one against another before Infidels Ans. That upon this Church judging he taketh occasion to magnifiy the judging of the Saints I see not for he passeth to a new subject in reprehending their pleadng before heathen Judges 2. Though that cohesion of the Chapters were granted yet doth he not magnifie the Judging of all the multitude the Saints of men and women shall judge the world by assenting to Gods Judging but all the Saints even women are not Church-Iudges Also he extendeth Judging of civill causes to the most eminent Seniors amongst them v. 5. Is there not a wise-man amongst you no not one who shal be able to judge betwixt his brethren and therefore he layeth a ground that far lesse can all the rest of men and women be Judges Ecclesiastick to binde and loose validly in Earth and Heaven but onely the wiser and selected Elders I may adde what Master Robinson sayth that our argument from confession may be objected to the Apostles no lesse then to Separatists Acts 1. 23. They presented two that is the multitude which were about an hundred and twenty men and women and Act 6. 5. And the while multitude presented seven Deacons to the twelue Apostles and the twelve Apostles called the multitude and so spake to them and v. 6. prayed and laid hands on the Deacons Now when the multitude Acts 1. presented Joseph and Matthias it behoved them to speak spake they joyntly or all at once this were confusion contrary to 1 Cor. 14. 14. did the women speak they must not meddle in Church-maters v. 34. did children speak It is impossible so Acts 6. did all the twelve Apostles speak at once and pray vocally at once did the whole multitude speak when they presented the seven Deacons that is confusion by these and the like women and children are utterly excluded from the Church as no parts of it Acts 15. 22. The whole Church sent Messengers to Antioch 1 Co● 14. 23. the whole Church commeth together in one to exercise themselves in praying and prophecying but children could not send messengers nor pray nor prophecy and women might not speak in the Church and therefore women and children must be excluded from being parts of the Church if one be excluded why not another and so till we come to the chiefe of the Congreation Ans. This is much for us every way therefore the 120 Acts 1. and the multitude Acts 6. did present the two elect Apostles and the seven Deacons by some select persons and when these select persons spake the Church spake and when one Apostle prayed the whole twelve prayed Ergo there is a representative Church which performeth Church actions in the name of the Church and you will have a representative Church in the New Testament to be a point as you say of Judaisme yet here you are forced to acknowledge it 2. By all good reason when Christ Mat. 18. sayth if he refuse to heare the Church
Church-covenant betwixt the Pastor and stranger for the Church covenant is prior to the comming of this stranger and hath already constituted the Church in its entyre essence and operations though no stranger come at all and though that stranger never covenant to obey the Pastor and the Pastor never covenant to take care of that stranger 4. Whereas it is said It is a part of the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free that every one choose his own Pastor I see not the truth of this in Scripture The people hath power to choose but that is a part of Christian liberty in this sense I see not the Prophets and Apostles exercised pastorall acts over many who made not choise of their Ministery yea they preached to them against their will and Paul preached as a Pastor to many in Corinth against their will and a faithfull Pastor may preach to many who never made choise of him for their Pastor and to whom the word is the savour of death unto death and to whom he hath vengeance in readinesse 5. There is no liberty purchased to us by Christ but such as is regulated by Gods Word and found reason a liberty of sole will in embracing or refusing a Minister is licence not liberty now in Christ we are called to liberty not to licence and if some of a congregation wanting the spirit of discerning upon prejudice refuse a called pastor to be their pastor yet if the most part of the congregation elect him he is a pastor to all and to those who refused him as Christ doth reigne in the word and Ministery over hypocrites in a congregation who say in their hearts we will not have this man to reigne over us yet here is a Ministeriall charge which a pastor hath lawfully over such as are not willing to submit to that ministery the power of electing a pastor is not infallible what if they or most of them upon sole groundlesse prejudice refuse such a man to be their pastor is he not their pastor because all consent not are we to thinke that Christ purchased a liberty in his bloud of refusing a called pastor nor can we thinke these who taught the doctrine of the Nicolaitans in Pergamus and these who held the doctrine of Balaam or that the woman Jezebel which called her selfe a prophetesse in Thyatira and seduced the people of God to commit fornication and to eate things sacrificed to Idols were received in Pergamus and Thyatira by a Church covenant nor hath it colour of truth that the faithfull there were satisfied in conscience with the conversion of I●zabel and such as held the doctrine of Balaam and that they consented and did choose the Angell of the congregation of Pergamus and Thyatira as our brethren speake for their pastor and yet the pastors and Church are rebuked for not executing the censures of the Church over the followers of Balaam Revel 2. 14 15. and upon Iezabel the false prophetesse Ergo they are not all such materialls of a visible Church as our brethren say even saints by calling and a Church doth well take the charge of those who never offered their professed subjection to Christs Ordinances we are not to thinke that these who called themselves Apostles and yet were Lyers were visible saints approved in the sight of God to the consciences of the Church of Ephesus and that such did offer their professed subjection to the Angell and Church of Ephesus as you teach yet that Church tooke care of them by the censures of the Church and are commended therefore Revel 2. 2. Thou canst not beare them that are evill and hast tryed them which say they are Apostles and hast found them liers If a false teacher shall come to a congregation and be a hearer for some yeares and at length fall to and teach pernitious Doctrine will not the Church censure him labour to stop his mouth yea and excommunicate him that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord I thinke they cannot but exercise some Church censures and that the pastors convincing of such a gaine-sayer and a stopping of his mouth is the very pastorall charge layd upon Titus by Paul Tit. 1. 10 11 12. as is most cleare v 13. Rebuke them sharply that they may be sound in the faith 6. That place Ro. 14. is not rightly expounded for 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is not to receive into Church-state by way of covenant but it is as Pareus saith am●●ter placide instituere patienter tolerare to instruct him patiently in the Christian liberty about meates and dayes and so Beza take him in and far lesse slee not his company Marlorat institute fovete donec proficiat and so Calvin e Castellio opitulemini helpe him and the word is Philem. 12. receive him as my bowells not unto Church-state for Philemon was no pastor Question 3. VVhether or not it be lawfull for one or many particular Churches to sweare a plate-forme and prescribed vocall covenant called the confession of Faith of such a Church It is a fit place having spoken so much of a Church covenant to speake of a covenant of the faith of a Church our Brethren being asked what meanes have you to preserve unity and verity Answ. 1. We have say they Scriptures 2. The pastors Epk● 4. 11. and Gods promise to leade them in all truth Ierem. 32. 39. Ier. 16. 13. But this is not a right Answer for when we inquire of the meanes to preserve verity and unity we aske for the externall meanes whereby the Scriptures are kept from false glosses it is true the Scriptures keepe themselves from false interpretation but the Question is by what externall meanes doe the Scriptures keepe themselves from false glosses The answer is not right the Scriptures keepe themselves from false glosse● by keeping themselves from false glosse● Also the Question is by what meanes doe pastors keep unity amongst themselves It is not right answered that pastors by pastors keepe ●nity amongst themselves But we think a plat-forme say ●ur Brethren ibid of doctrine and discipline or a confession of Faith or doctrine according to godlines may be made by any Church or person but say they ●● plat-forme to be imposed on our selves or others as a binding Rule ●f faith and practise so that all men must believe and walke according to that plat-forme without adding altering or omitting we doubt whether such be lawfull or convenient Whence our brethren con●emne the swearing or subscribing by Oath of a confession ●mposed or stinted by the Church Let these considerations be weighed 1. Distinction There is a principall and originall and formall ●round of faith which is the Word of God in the Old or New Testament this is the onely persit and formall ground of Faith 2. There is a secondary and materiall ground of Faith which is so far ● ground of Faith and practise as it agreeth with the VVord ●f God 2.
if you meane in Church-communion take heed that the keys of every christian family and the keys of the Kingdome of Heaven be not by this made all one Also it is saith he unequall dealing to make a prophane multitude under a diocesian prelate a Church and to deny that a company of faithfull believers is a Church 2. God hath not tied his power or presence to any order or office of the world but accepteth of them that feare him and worke Righteousnes 3. A power to enjoy the officers is seated in the body as an essentiall property 4. Th● Lord calleth the body of the Saints the Church excluding the Elders Acts 20. 17. 28. 1 Tim. 3. 15. because the Church is essentially in the saints as the matter and subject formed by the covenant unto the which the Officers are but adjuncts not making for the being but for the welbeing of the Church and so the furtherance of their faith and their service Answ. A profane multitude under a diocesian prelate is not a Church mysticall of redemed ones as a company of Believers are but professing the truth and consisting of a flock of called Officers they may wel be a Ministeriall Church which foure Believers cannot be It is true God hath not tied his power and presence to any order or office as Anabaptists say and so speaketh the Catech. of Raccovia and Smalcius and Nicolaides say there is no necessity of a Ministery after that the Evangel i● preached by the Apostles and confirmed by miracles and that a Ministery is onely profitable ad benè esse and not necessary The Arminians teach so the Remonstrantes praedicationem verbi ad id simplicitèr necessariam negant quid clarius So Eipscopius pastoris actio non tam necessaria est quam utilis ad edificationem postquam Scriptura omnibus singulis legenda data est ut ex ca suopte Marte discat quisque quantum satis est But Paul maketh it in the ordinary way necessary for salvation to believe to call on the Name of the Lord and to heare a Prophet sent and the presence and power of God in the Seales of Righteousnes is tyed to lawfull Pastors who onely can administrate those Seales Mat. 28. 19. as to meanes ordained of God not as if God could not save without them and accept the righteous doers without them but see how this man would beare us in hand that the comfort of pastorall preaching and the Sacraments cannot be tyed to called Ministers exccept we call God an accepter of persons which is denied Acts 10 I believed Teachers and Doctors and Elders had beene the Eyes Eares and Hands and so integrall parts of the visible Church as Christ is the head of the catholick church And this man maketh integrall parts adjunctes of the church thereby declaring Ministers may be well wanted and that they are passements ad bene esse and things of order Never did Anabaptists speake louder against the Ordinances of Christ and Socinians and Arminians are obliged to him Thirdly the beleevers have right to the Officers and this right is an essentiall property of the Church then also because beleevers have right to the Keys the Keyes are onely an adjunct of the visible Church which our brethren must deny 4. Acts 20. 17. 1 Tim. 3. 15. The Church excluding the Officers is saith Robinson called the Church as the Elders of the Church and Timothy was to behave himselfe well in the Church of God This is answered they are first a mysticall Church not a governing Church Secondly a man is called a man excluding his soule if your soule were in my soules stead Therefore a man is a thing living and a reasonable man without his soule what vanity is here Fifthly if the Church-Covenant be the essentiall forme of the Church it is as accider tall to the well being of beleevers as Officers are for they are the light of the world the salt of the earth which is more necessary then a Church-Covenant And Robinson saith further Two or three have received Christ and his power and right to all the meanes of grace and Christ and his power are not divided also the wife hath immediate right to her husbands person and goods for her use Answ. Two or three yea one beleever and these not entred in Church-state but beleeving in Christ have received Christ and his power in all Christian priviledges due to that state True They have received Christ and his power in all ministeriall and Church-priviledges it is false nor can our brethren admit of this by their grounds for then should they have right in their owne person to preach pastorally and administrate the Sacraments if Christ and the pastorall power to such acts cannot be divided and if they have as immediate right to use the keys in pastorall acts as the wife hath to the husband and goods Also saith he Of the Churches of the Gentiles some were converted to God by Apostles others by private Christians Acts 8. 12. and 10. 36 44 47 48. and 11. 19 20 21. and 13. 1 12 48. and 14. 1 7. Can we in reason thinks during the Apostles absence that the Churches never assembled together for edification in praying prophesying and other ordinances were not all they converts who desired to be admitted to their fellowship Had they not use of excommunication The Apostles came but occasionally to the Churches where they appointed Elders Acts 14. 25. Why did Paul leave Titus at Crete save onely that men of gifts might be trained up in prophesying Answ. All here said is conjecturall he cannot give us an instance of a Church exercising Church-power and destitute of Officers onely he saith Can we conceive that in the Apostles absence there was no Church meetings for edification But were there no Elders and Officers in the Apostolike Church but onely Apostles I thinke there have beene Pastors and when the Apostles first left the planted Churches can we conceive that they left new converted flockes without Pastors and if without Officers they met for prophecying can wee conceive that they wanted the Seales of the Covenant certainly Sacraments without Officers are no rules for us to follow Secondly of conversion by private persons I purpose to speake hereafter if they preached it is not ordinary nor a rule to us Thirdly at Crete there have beene Preachers but of government without them I see nothing since Elders Timothy and Titus are limitted in receiving accusation against Elders and are forbidden to lay hands suddenly on any man I see not how the people without Officers did this It is good that this Church that they give us is all builded upon conjectures and an unwritten Church is an unwritten tradition If the Apostles appointed Elders in the Church for this end to governe wee gather the contrary of your collections Ergo there was no government in the Churches before there were governours for the
are very different Paul writing to the Corinthians writeth to a visible Church but he doth not speake alwayes of them as a visible Church but as of an invisible when he calleth them Temples of the Holy Ghost Saints by calling c. he wrote the Epistles to the incestuous man whom he commandeth to cast out of the Church We reade saith the Author Acts 2. 43. that the Lord added to the Church such as should be saved and how then shall we adde to the Church such as God addeth not such as have no shew of any spirituall worke in them to any spirituall discerning Ought not the Lords Stewards to be faithfull in Gods House And to doe nothing therein but as they see God going before them receiving whom he receiveth and refusing whom he refuseth So upon this ground Paul willeth the Romans to receive a weak brother because God hath received him Rom. 14. 1 2 3. Answ. Gods acts of speciall and gratious providence are not rules of duties to us God addeth to the Church as it is invisible and Christs Body it followeth not therefore we are to adde to the Church visible as visible Gods adding is invisible by giving Faith and saving grace to some to professe sincerely because we see not Faith nor sincerity therefore Gods adding cannot be a rule to our adding God doth adde a person falling into an open scandall to the Church invisible having given him true Faith but the Church is not to adde him but to cut him off if he be obstinate to the Church and refuse him and so this proveth nothing nor is the place Rom. 14. by any except your selves expounded of a receiving into a Church-communion as is elsewhere declared 2. Where there is no shew of saving worke of conversion there you thinke the Stewards want God going before to receive but then except God be seene to goe before to regenerate the Church Stewards cannot follow to adds such to the Church but since that same power that casteth out of the Church holdeth out of the Church if any after they be received shall be found to be not added of God because they be not regenerated yet we are not to cast any out for non-regeneration even knowen except it breake out into scandals and then the person is not cast out for non-regeneration for though he were knowen to be regenerated yet for scandals the Church is obliged to cast him out because the scandall leaveneth the whole Church and. 2. The casting out is a meane to save the spirit in the day of the Lord. But I prove none are to be cast out for non-regeneration where there be no outbreakings into scandalls 1. Because de occultis Ecclesia non judicat non-Regeneration where it is not backed with publick scandalls is a hidden thing that the Church can neither judge nor censure 2. None are to be cast out but for such a scandall that if the party deny should be proved by two witnesses as Christs Law provideth Mat. 18. 16. 1 Tim. 5. 19. 3. Onely publick scandalls which offend many are to be censured by the Church 1 Tim. 5. 20. that others may feare But non-regeneration breaking out into no scandalls can neither be proved by witnesses if the party deny nor is it a seene thing which giveth publick scandalls and therefore is not the object of Church censures For it is evident though the Stewards see some not regenerated and so not added by the Lord to the Church they are to adde these same and cannot cast them out And yet God goeth before them in adding them to the visible Church when they professe the truth 3. God addeth such as should be saved to the visible Church by baptisme because the adjoyning to a visible Church is a way to salvation but it followeth not that all whom God addeth to the visible Church are saved ones for then the visible Church should consist only of believers which only Anabaptists teach 4. Whereas he sayth The Stewards should be faithfull and should not adde except God adde it seemeth to infer that either all the people are Stewards and so Officers contrary to Gods Word Eph. 4. 11. 1 Cor. 12. 29. or that onely officers admit Church-members which is against our Brethrens Doctrine for they teach that the whole multitude of believers are only to adde and cast out 3. If Peters confession sayth the Author be a Rock on which the visible Church to which onely the Keys are given is built then to receive these who can hold forth no such profession is to build without a foundation Answ. This conclusion is against your selves no lesse then against us except all and every one whom you admit be builded upon this Rock if there be hypocrites in your Church as you cannot deny it then you build without a foundation 2. By this Peter before this confession was an un-churched Pastor built upon no Church-foundation 3. By this place is not proved that the keys are given to the Church of Believers but to the Ministers for then against no parochiall Church can the gates of Hell prevaile All the Fathers with good reason as Augustine Chrysostome Cyrill Tertullian Hieronim Nazianzen Cyprian Ambrose c. And our Divines against Papists whom you side with in this deny that Christ meaneth here of the visible Church such as Rome or Corinth but of the catholick and invisible Church 4. When saith the Author Christ saith Mat. 22. 12. Friend how camest thou here not having thy wedding garment he doth intimate a taxing of these by whose connivence he came Answ. The contrary is in the Text v. 9. Goe ye therefore to the high wayes and as many as you finde bid Here is a charge that ministers invite and call all and so the Church is a company of externally called though few of them be chosen as v. 14. and their obedience is commended v. 10. so these servants went out into the high wayes and gathered together all as many as they found both good and bad This is a praising rather then a taxing seeing they are commanded without trying or selecting only the regenerated to call in as many as they finde both good and bad For as many as you finde is as good in sense as both good and bad and the latter doth expound the former and when the Lord commandeth them to bring in as many as they finde and they finde in the streetes both good and bad therefore they bee commanded to bring in both good and bad 2. Yea the very scope of the parable is contrary to this the scope is that many are called externally and so are the visible Church and that by Gods speciall command both here v. 9. 10. and Luk. 14. v. 17. v. 21. v. 24. and yet few are chosen and of the invisible Church And Luk. 14. severall times the servants or pastors call all by the Lord of the feasts commandement without exception of regenerated or not regenerated 5. Christ
Arminians Pelagians and old Anabaptists expound it of the visible Church that they may make Judas whom they alledge was chosen out of the world no lesse then Peter an example of their universall election and of the small apostasie of the truly elected and regenerated And you have to side with you in this the Apostate Peter Bertius the Arminians at Hage Arminius himselfe the Socinians as Socinus Theoph. 〈◊〉 and you may see your selves refuted by Amesius refuting the Arminians in the conference at Hage and this you expressely say with Arminians and Socinians 1. Because as you say Judas was one of them whom the Father had given to Christ out of the world whom alone of all them so given to him he hath losed Ergo Christ speaketh of a visible donation Answ. The Antecedent is false Joh. 6. 37. All that the Father had given me commeth unto me and him that commeth unto me I will in no wayes cast out v. 39. And this is the Fathers will which ●●th sent me that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing but should raise it up at the last day But Judas was cast out and losed and is not raised up at the last day as one which commeth that is beleeveth in Christ. 2. This is the very exception of the Arminians and Amesius answereth quae Scriptura manifesto est judicio Iudam non it a Christo datum commendatum fuisse a Patre ut ●aeteros Christ saith Robinson speaketh of such persons as the world hated because they were not of the world Job 15. 14. But the wicked world 〈◊〉 not hate men as they are elected before God and invisibly or inwardly separated ●ut as they are outwardly separated whether they bee inwardly so or not Answ. 1. Invisible election and the contrary spirit that the children of God are led by which is most unlike to the spirit that leadeth the world is the true ground and cause why the world doth hate them and this choosing out of the world is seene and made visible by the fruits of the spirit to the wicked world but the consequence is nothing he speaketh of election that is visible or made visible yet not as visible for often Paul t●●rmeth the visible Churches Saints Temples of the holy Spirit the sonnes and daughters of the living God and when he tearmeth them such he speaketh to and of a visible Church yet not as visible because to be the temple of the holy Spirit and a sonne and daughter of the living God is a thing formally and properly invisible for faith and the spirit of adoptien are not things visible or obvious to the senses but Separatis●s are often deceived with this hee speaketh to the visible Saints Ergo he speaketh to them as visible Saints this is the vaine collection of ignorant Anabaptists Paul writeth to the visible Church but every priviledge that hee doth ascribe to them doth not agree to them as they are visible He saith to the visible Church of Colossians ch 3. v. 3. your life is hid with Christ in God an unvisible life cannot agree to the Colossians as they are a visible Church so separation from the world made manifest and visible is the cause why the world hateth the children of God yet that separation is formally invisible and not seene to the eye of men for it is an action of God to choose men out of the world and no eye mortall can see his actions as they be such And therefore except Robinson prove that this choosing out of the world is common to elect and reprobate and to be seene in Peter and Iudas he bringeth nothing against us to prove his point but hee plainly contradicteth his owne tenents for in his first reason he will have the true Church separated from the world as Iudas the traytor was separated from the world which we grant that is separation in show and in profession and so maketh his visible Church to be made up of traytors and hypocrites who cannot bee the Spouse of Christ nor a part of Christ his mysticall body and his redeemed flocke Now hee still harpeth on this that the visible Church rightly constitute is the Spouse of Christ the redeemed of God the mysticall body of Christ and so hee contradicteth himselfe and saith with us that there bee no visible separation from the world essentiall to such a Church as they dreame of to wit of called Saints Temples of the holy Spirit c. and therefore never one of that side understood to this day the nature of a true visible Church though they talke and write much of it for the truth is the essence and definition of a Church agreeeth not equally to a true Church and a visible Church yea a visible Church as it is visible is not formally a true Church but the redeemed Church onely is the true Church Lastly He speaketh saith he of such a choosing out of the world as he doth of sending unto the world v. 18. Which sending as it was visible and externall so was the selection and separation spoken of Answ. The choosing out of the world is not opposed to sending unto the world for sending unto the world is an Apostolick sending common to Judas with the rest whereby they were sent to preach the Gospell to the world of chosen and unchosen of elect and reprobate but to bee chosen out of the world and given to Christ is proper to the elect onely who are chosen out of the loosed and reprobate world 2. It is also false that the sending of the Apostles is altogether visible for the gifting of them with the holy Spirit is a great part of sending the Apostles as our brethren say a gifted man is a sent Prophet but the Lord his gifting of the Apostle is not visible You cannot saith Robinson be partaker of the Lords Table and of devills Ergo we must separate from the ungodly Answ. The Table of Idols is that Table of devils and of false worship kindly in respect of the object that wee must separate from but a scandalous person at the Lords Supper partaketh of the Table of devils by accident in respect the person being out of Christ eateth damnation to himselfe but it is not per se and kindly the Table of devils to others and therefore I must not separate from it The Supper was to Judas the devils Table because Satan entered in him with a sup to cause him to betray the Lord and Christ told before one of them twelve had a devill and so to one of the twelve the Supper was the devils Table yet could not the Disciples separate therefrom Further he objecteth Paul condemned the Church of Corinth as kn●●ed lumpe and as contrary to the right constitution finding so many aberrations and defections from that state wherein they were gathered unto a Church who dare open so prophane a mouth as to affirme that this faithfull labourer
The Lord in this having a respect to that people whom hee brought out of the Land of Egypt in whom hee fulfilled this promise of shewing mercy to many generations though their nearest parents were grievers of his holy Spirit and rebellers against him for Abraham Isaac and Jacobs sake cannot bee so narrow and pinched in mercy to the posteritie as to reduce a thousand generations to one as this Author would have him to doe 2. It is a hungry extention of mercy as the Author exponeth it to Gods extending of thoughts of redeeming and converting to a thousand generations which hee hath to Turkes for these thoughts of redeeming are from the free and absolute decree of election to glory but this is an expresse promise of extending the mercy of the Covenant to a thousand generations and such as the Lord by necessitie of his veracitie and faithfulnesse of covenant cannot contraveene 3. The place 1 Cor. 7. is corrupted contrary to the Apostles intent which is to resolve a case of conscience whether the beleeving wife married on a Pagan husband or a beleeving husband married on a Pagan wife should divorce and separate because the seed would seeme by Gods Law to bee uncleane Para 9. 2. Paul answereth if one be holy and professe the faith the 〈◊〉 is holy v. 14. whereas if both father and mother were Pagans and heathen the seed should be unholy and voyde of federall holinesse then were the children uncleane But the consequence is frivolous if both be Pagans and Heathen and unbeleevers for so the Author doth well expound the unbeleeving husband then the seed is uncleane and voyde of federall holinesse But it followeth not Ergo if both the Christian Parents be excommunicated and be scandalous and wicked they are not members of a parishionall visible Church then are the children uncleane and voyd of all federall holinesse and have no right to the seales of the covenant We deny this connexion for there be great odds betwixt the children of Turkes and children of excommunicated and scandalous parents The children of Turkes and Heathen are not to be baptized but the children of excommunicates are as Turkes and Heathen Ergo the children of excommunicates are not to bee baptized The Syllogisme is vitious in its sorme 2. It faileth in its matter for children of excommunicates because of the Covenant made with their ancestors are in Covenant with God and the children of Turkes are not so The Author addeth The wickednesse of the parents doth not 〈◊〉 the election or redemption or the Faith of the child 〈◊〉 a Bastard is reckoned in the Catalogue of beleevers He●●●nes 11. 32. Yet a bastard was not admitted to come unto 〈◊〉 Congregation of the Lord to the tenth generation Deuteronom ●3 2. Answ. It is true the want of baptisme is no hazzard to the salvation of the childe nor doe we urge that the infants of excommunicates should be baptized because we thinke baptisme necessary necessitate medii as Papists doe but neither we nor Papists nor any except Anabaptists and the late Belgi●●e Arminians and Socinians as Episcopius Henri us S●●tius Somnerus Socinus deny baptisme to be necessary in respect of Gods Commandement and indeed if you urge the constitution of a visible Church as you doe of members called of God and Saints not onely in externall profession but also in some measure of sincerity and truth as you doe expressely say e in this Treatise we see not how you can hold that Infants can be baptized at all while they come to age and can give tokens to the Church of their faith and conversion to God for if they beleeve not you put Gods seale upon a blanke which you thinke absurd In the closing of this Section the Author reasoneth against God-fathers which are to us of civill use and no part of baptisme He alledgeth he knoweth not any ground at all to allow a faithfull man liberty to entitle another man his childe to baptisme onely upon a pretence of a promise to have an eye to his education unlesse the childe be either borne in his house or resigned to him to be brought up in his house as his owne I Answer 1. The Infants of beleeving Fathers absent in other Lands upon their lawfull callings are by this holden from the Seale of the Covenant as if they were the Children of Pagans for no fault in the Parents 2. A promise of education in the Christian faith is here made a sufficient ground for baptizing an Infant whereas alwayes before the Author contendeth for an holy profession of faith in both or at the least in one of the nearest parents but we know that a friend may undertake the Christian education of the childe of an excommunicate person who is to you as the childe of a Pagan we think upon such a promise you could not baptize the childe of a Turke Ergo excommunicated persons and Turkes are not alike as you say CHAP. 5. SECT 1. and 2. T●●●hing the dispensation of the censures of the Church Authour WE proceede not unto censure but in case of some knowne offence Answ. What if a member of your Church doe ●how himselfe in private to some brethren to be a non-regenerated person and so indeede not a member of the visible Church by your doctrine he should be excommunicated for non-regeneration which is against Christs way Matth. 18. who will have such sinnes as if denyed may be proved by two witnesses onely to be censurable by the Church else you shall retaine such an one and admit him to prophane the Table of the Lord. In this first and second Section I have nothing to examine but what hath beene handled already especially the Peoples power in Church-affaires hath beene fully discussed onely the Author will have the preaching of the word a worship not pecu●iar to the Church but commune to those who are not in the Church-state at all and that ordinarily in respect that Indians and Heathens may come and heare the Word 1 Cor. 14. but this proveth not but that preaching of the word is proper and peculiar to the Church but there is another mystery here as from the first chapter second Section then preaching of the word is to be performed by gifted persons yea ordinary preaching for the conversion of Soules before there be any Pastors in the Church to Preach Hence is that Quest. I. Whether conversion of soules to Christ be ordinarily the proper fruite effect of the word preached by a sent Pastor or if it be the 〈◊〉 and effect of the word preached by Pastors not as Pastors but as 〈◊〉 to preach and so of all persons not in office yet gifted to preach The Churches of New-England in their Answers to the thirty two Questions sent by the Ministers of Old England Answer by certaine Theses which I set downe and examine 1. The conversion of sinners followeth not alwayes the preaching of every one that is
the Author by which wee leepe the communion of Saints in divers Churches 1. By way of participation 2. Of recommendation 3. Of consultation 4. Of Congregation 5. Of contribution 6. Of admonition 7. Of propagation or multiplication of Churches It is allowed by the consent of our Churches that when the members of any other Churches are occasioned to rest with us on the Lords day when the Supper commeth to be administred and neither the persons themselves nor the Church they came from under any publick offence they bee by us admitted to the participation of the Lords Supper for wee looke at the Lords Supper not onely as a seale of our communion with the Lord Jesus but also of our communion with his members and that not onely with the members of our owne Churches but of all the Churches of the Saints and this is the first way of communion with other Churches to wit by participation Answ. 1. We heartily embrace the doctrine of the communion of Saints but many things are here which are incompatible with your doctrine as first communion of Churches which you call a branch of the communion of Saints cannot consist with your doctrine for a Church by you is relative onely to the Eldership of a Church as sonnes are relative to Fathers but a Sonne is not relative to a brother so neither is a Parishionall Church properly a Church in relation to a neighbour Church for a Church hath no Church-state no Church-priviledges no Church-worship in relation to a sister-Church therefore you should say the Communion of Christians of sister-Churches not the Communion of Churches for no Church by your doctrine hath any Church-state or Church-worship in relation to any but to its owne members 2. This enumeration is defective you make a Communion of Churches in the members of sister Churches in the Lords Supper though the members of neighbour Churches bee not inchurched in Church-state by oath as a member of that Church where hee partaketh the Lords Supper and why should not the Child of beleeving parents in the death or absence of the Pastors of neighbour Churches have communion with you in baptisme also for this communion in baptizing you deny to any but those who are members of that Church wherein they receive baptisme 3. if you admit communion of Churches in some things to wit in the Lords Supper how can you deny communion of Churches in other holy things of God for you admit no communion of Churches in the power of the keyes as in mutuall counselling warning rebuking binding and loosing for Christ hath left no common power of the keyes in many visible Churches who are united together in an Iland or Nation or Continent by which these acts of communion should bee regulated and in case of neglect and abuse censured according to Gods Word as you say for you deny all authoritative power in Synods let me bee resolved deere brethren in this how Christ hath put whole Churches and their soules in worse case then members of your independent Congregations are for the keyes of the kingdome of heaven in binding and loosing in excommunicating that the spirit may bee saved in 〈◊〉 day of the Lord the removing of scandalls out of sister parishionall kingdomes of Christ the gaining of sister Churches from heresies and scandalls as brethren are to bee gained Matth. 18. 15. 1 Cor. 5. 5. 1 Tim. 1. 30. by censures the keeping of the holy things of God from profanation authoritative rebuking warning that others may feare and that the rebuked may bee ashamed and all these meanes of salvation are denied to your particular Congregations as if they were Angels and Popes who cannot be lacking in duties and yet all these are granted to members of any one particular Church how hath the care wisedome of Christ denied these meanes to many united Churches and yet you acknowledge that sister Churches have communion amongst themselves and that seven wayes in visible acts of externall communion I beleeve this one argument though there were no more doth strongly conclude the lawfulnesse of Synods and by consequent the Law of nature would say if Christs wisdome provide wayes to regulate the publike actions of the members of a particular Church that they may be edified and builded up in the most holy faith farre more hath he taken care for many Churches united in a visible communion seven wayes that Lord that careth for the part must farre rather care for the whole body 4. You say members of other Churches are admitted to the Lords Supper amongst you by consent of your Churches but what consent doe you meane is the consent authoritative by power of the keyes 1. This consent authoritative is either concluded in a Synod of many Churches and so you acknowledge the authoritative power of Synods if it be done and agreed upon in every particular Church by them alone then I aske seeing to administer the Lords Supper to any and so to make in your Church meeting that it shall be administred to any is as you teach an act of ministeriall power over those to whom you administer the Seale chap. 4. Sect. 5. Now how doe you exercise acts of ministeriall power or conclude ecclesiastically to exercise these acts in your parishional meeting toward those over whom you have no ministeriall power for members of neighbour Churches are under no ministeriall power in your particular Church as you teach in the same place as you can exercise no power of the keyes when some are absent that is tyranny upon the conscience saith Answorth who will have none censured or excommunicated except the whole congregation be present also he who of another Church communicateth with you 1. Hath no faith of the lawfull calling and choosing your Ministers for he neither could nor ought to be present thereat 2. He knoweth not but he may be leavened by a scandalous lumpe which leaveneth the whole Church and is enough as you say chap. 4. Sect. to hold any from communicating in the Seales with any Church Now these and many other things he must take in trust from you which Answorth thinketh tyranny of conscience neither can a letter of recommendation make one of another congregation capable of Seales with you for to dispone is to alienate and give away the ministeriall power of the Seales to another Church Now this power say you chap. 5. Sect. 4. is a part of the liberty wherewith Christ hath made you free and so you cannot dispone it to another Church except you bring your selfe in bondage contrary to Gal. 5. 1. 5. Mr. Best and your selfe bold that a Pastor can exercise no pastorall act but over his owne flocke and you say that the Scripture saith so Act. 20. 28. 1 Pet. 5. 2. Ergo either to administer the Lords Supper is no pastorall Act and may be done by non-Pastors as Arminians and Socinians destroying the necessity of a ministery doe averre or then a
Minister cannot administer the Lords Supper to any but his owne flocke see you to this 6. If the sister Church lie under any offence you will not admit any of their members to the Lords Supper though these members be of approven piety and why What a separation is this What if these members do not consent to that offence as some of the godly in Corinth might be humbled and mourne that the Church did not cast out the incestuous person shal they be debarred by you from the seales because they separate not from that infected lump the Apostle alloweth communicating so that every one examine himselfe 1 Cor. 11. 21. 30. with drunken persons and where many were stricken of God with death and diverse diseases as eating and drinking their owne damnation 7. You looke at the Lords Supper as a seale of communion with all the Churches of the Saints What communion meane you invisible no. You deny that the seales are given to the invisible Church and the members thereof but to the visible Church as you say If you meane a visible communion of all the visible Churches of the Saints why then brother doe you call the universall visible Church a Chimera or a dreame as you say and if all the visible Churches have a visible communion it is to deny Christs wisdome and care of his Church to deny the lawfulnesse of a Oecumenick and generall councell of all the Churches of the Saints We recommend saith the Author Brethren for a time to other Churches as Paul recommended Phoebe to the Church of Rome Rom. 16. 1. 2. or we give letters dismissorie to such as are for ever to reside in another congregation but members are not to remove from their congregation but upon just and weighty reasons made knowne and allowed by the whole Church for wee looke at our Church Covenant as an everlasting Covenant Jerem. 50. v. 5. And therefore though it may be resigned and translated from one Church to another as Gods hand shall direct yet it is not to be violated and rejected by us if members cut off themselves by excommunication it is their owne fault if any upon light reasons be importunately desirous to remove the Church is to use indulgence as not willing to make the Church of God a prison but often the hand of God in poverty and scandall followeth such and driveth them to returne when a person recommended by letters commeth to another congregation the Church by lifting up their hands or by silence receive him if he ●e altogether unknowne and doubted of because the Church may erre be is not received till due triall be taken of him Answ. We see not how letters of recommendation most lawfull as we judge and necessary can resigne ministeriall power a liberty bought with Christs bloud as you say to any other Church for we think all the visible Churches are one Catholike visible Church and should have a visible communion and so that there is no resignation of ministeriall power in these letters but they are declaratory of the Christian behaviour of the dismissed Christian. We aske if dimissory letters be authoritative and done by the Church as the Church and how can a Church usurp authority by your way over a sister Church to recommend a sojourner to a Church state and Church liberties and seales of the Covenant one Church hath no authority over another If these letters be meerely private and meerely declaratory to manifest and declare the sojourners Christian behaviour only then he had power and right without these letters or any act of resignation or giving away ministeriall power to be a Church-member of the visible Church to the which he goeth Ergo he was a member of the visible Church to which he goeth before the dimissory letters were written and the letters doe resigne no right but onely notifie and declare the sojourners preexistent right and so there is a visible Church and a visible communion of all congregations on earth and most be an externall power and authority in all for Synods Let our brethren see to this 3. The person to remove must be dismissed and loosed by the consent of the whole congregation it conveniency permit else he is not exonered of his Church-oath made to that congregation What if conveniency doe not permit then is he loosed from an oath without consent of the Church which did by oath receive him I thinke eju●dem p●testatis est as the Law saith ligare solvere that Church power which bindeth must loose 4. If the Church-Covenant be an everlasting Covenant as Jer. 50. 5. tying the man to the membership of that particular congregation for ever I see not how the Church can use indulgenees and Pope-like dispensations against the oath of God to breake it upon light and frivolous reasons for if God punish Covenant breaking so also should the Church and can by no indulgence be accessory to the breach of Gods oath there is too great a smell of Popery Arminianisme and Socinianisine in this way in my weake judgement But if the man be not sworne a member of that particular Church by his oath he is sworne a member of the visible Church universall which our brethren cannot well say Neither is any Covenant called an everlasting Covenant in the Scripture but the Covenant of grace Jer. 31. 33. c. 32. 40. Isa. 54. 9 10. and that is made with the invisible Catholike Church of beleevers as is the Covenant Jer. 50. 5. and not a Covenant with one visible congregation and what warrant hath the Church to dispense with the breach of such an everlasting Covenant 5. The testimony of other Churches if it be a warrant to you in faith to receive into the Church such a one as a Saint and a Temple of the holy Spirit how should it not also be a warrant to you to cast out and excommunicate also 6. The person comming from another Church if of approven piety is received by lifting up of the hands or silence of the Church as you say 1. Have we a warrant from Gods word for such a new inchurching 2. Why is he not received by a Church oath as a Minister transplanted to another Church must have ordination and election of new for to you there is alike reason 3. If there be no need of a new Church oath to make him a member of that visible Congregation seeing now he is loosed from the former you in●inuate his former Church-oath did make him a member of a visible Church and so ●e that is a visible member in a Church is a visible member of all and so there must be a visible Church-Catholike if there be a Catholike visible membership in any one member and so you destroy what you build Manuscr 16. A third way of Communion with other Churches saith the Author is by seeking their helpe and presence 1. In admitting of members 2. In case of differences of judgments 3. In
THE Due right of Presbyteries OR A PEACEABLE PLEA FOR THE GOVERNMENT OF THE Church of Scotland Wherein is examined 1. The way of the Church of Christ in New England in Brotherly equality and independency or coordination without subjection of one Church to another 2. Their apology for the said Government their Answers to thirty and two Questions are considered 3. A Treatise for a Church Covenant is discussed 4. The arguments of Mr. Robinson in his justification of separation are discovered 5. His Treatise called The peoples Plea for the exercise of prophecy is tryed 6. Diverse late arguments against presbyteriall government and the power of synods are discussed the power of the Prince in matters ecclesiastical modestly considered divers incident controversies resolved By SAMUEL RUTHERFURD Professor of Divinity at Saint Andrewes CANT 6. 10. Who is she that looketh forth as the morning faire as the Moone cleare as the Sun and terrible as an Army with Banners 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 LONDON Printed by E. Griffin for Richard Whittaker and Andrew Crook and are to be sold at their Shops in Pauls Church-Yard 1644. TO The most Noble and Potent Lord Archbald Marquesse of Argile one of His MAJESTIES honourable Privy Councell wisheth Grace Mercy and Peace WHo knoweth most Noble and potent Lord how glorious it is and how praise-worthy when the mighty and these who are called The shields of the Earth and the Cedars of Lebanon cast their shadow over the City of God Airie wits and broken spirits chase fame but fame and glory shall chase him who is as the spirit of God speaketh 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 a Sonne of courage and one who hath done many acts for the Lord. The followers of Christ are the sonnes of Nobles All blood is of one colour holinesse maketh the difference Fortuna vitrea est tum cum splendet frangitur Things we rest on here be made of cristall glasse while they glister they are broken Plures tegit fortuna quam tutor facit The world may cover men it cannot make them secure But the Lord is a Sun and a shield What hath Jesus Christ on Earth which he loveth as he doth his Church What a created peece is the true Church A woman clothed with the Sunne and the Moone under her feet and upon her head a Crowne of twelve Starres Her very servants are the glory of Christ. Yet is this poore woman in Brittaine crying travelling in birth pained while shee be delivered because of the Idolatry of the Land and our defection and apostacy practised countenanced tolerated in both Kingdomes Many graves many Widowes and the Land turned into a field of blood are the just fruits of many Altars of Masse-idolls of Bread worship of many inventions of men let then have a name and flourish in the House of the Lord and let them be written with the living in Jerusalem who contribute help for the desired birth of the manchild Prelacy and Popery wither as in a Land of drought except they be planted beside Rivers of blood but the Lord shall build his own Jerusalem Your honour may justly challenge this little expression of my obliged respects to your Lordship I acknowledge it is little though it may have some use Etiam capillus unus habet umbram suam one haire casteth its owne shadow Jmpotency to pay debt layeth not upon any the note of unthankfulnesse except it be impotency of good will If I be not a debter for will I am nothing And this I owe and this Church and Nation may divide the sum with me for which wishing to your Lordship all riches of Grace I stand obliged Your Lordships servant at all dutifull observance in Christ Jesus Samuel Rutherfurd To the Reader THere be two happy things worthy Reader as one sayth The one is not to erre the other is to escape from the power of error Times wombe bringeth forth many truths though truth be not a debter to Time because Time putteth new robes on old Truth But truth is Gods debter and oweth her being to him only It is a great evil under the Sun and the sicknesse of mans vanity that the name of holy men should be a web to make garments of for new opinions but the errors of holy men have no whitenesse nor holinesse from men And it is a wrong that mens praise should be truths prejudice and mens gaine truths losse Yet I shall heartily desire that men herein observe the art of deep providence for the Creator commandeth darknes to bring forth her birth of light and God doth so over-aw with a wise super-dominion mens errors that contrary to natures way from collision of opinions resulteth truth and disputes as stricken flint cast fire for light God raising out of the dust and ashes of errors a new living truth What mistakes errors or heresies have been anent Church government that vigilant and never slumbering wisdome of Providence hath thence made to appeare the sound doctrine of Gods Kingdome So here Satan shapeth and God seweth and maketh the garment Error is but dregs by the artifice of all compassing Providence from whence are distilled strong and cordiall waters And what Antichrist hath conceived for a Hierarchy and humane ceremonies hath put Christ in his two witnesses in Brittaine to advocate for the truth and native simplicity of his own Kingdom But I heartily desire not to appeare as an adversary to the holy reverend and learned Brethren who are sufferers for the truth for there be wide marches betwixt striving and disputing Why should we strive for we be Brethren the Sonnes of one father the borne Citizens of one mother Ierusalem To dispute is not to contend We strive as we are carnall we dispute as we are men we war from our lusts we dispute from diversity of star-light and day-light Weaknesse is not wickednesse a roving of wit must not be deemed a Rebellion of will a broken inginne may part with a dead child and yet be a Mother of many healthy children And while our reverend and deare Brethren fleeing the coast of Egypt and Babylons wicked borders aym to shore upon truth wind may deceive good Sailors naturall land-motions as when heavy bodies move downward toward their own clay Countrey are upon a straight line But Sea-motions of sailing are not by right lines but rather by Sea-circles We often argue and dispute as we saile Where grace and weight of Scripture make motion we walke in a right line toward God But where opinion a messenger only sent to spie the Land of lies and truth usurpeth to conduct us what marvell then we goe about truth rather then lodge with Truth And Christ his Kingdome Scepter Glory Babylons fall be the materiall object of opinions on both sides And yet the word of God hath a right lith that cannot suffer division In Gods matters there be not as in Grammar the positive and comparative degrees there are not
Church v. 22. let me terme it so had not more power extensively to determine that same controversie in behalfe of both Antioch and of all the particular Churches subordinate powers are not contrary powers CHAP. 5. SECT 5. PROP. 3. QUEST 6. Manuscript ALL who would be saved must be added to the Church as Acts 2. 47. If God offer opportunity Gen. 17. 7. Because every Christian standeth in need of all the Ordinances of Christ for his Spirituall edification in holy fellowship with Christ Jesus Answer for clearing of this we are to discusse this question Whether all and every true believer must joyne himselfe to a particular visible congregation which hath independently power of the keys within it selfe God offering opportunity if he would be saved 1 Dist. There is a necessity of joyning our selves to a visible Church but it is not necessitas medii but necessitas praecepti it is not such a necessity as all are damned who are not within some visible Church for Augustine is approved in this there be many Wolves within the Church and many sheepe without but if God offer opportunity all are obl●ged by God his Command●ment of confessing Christ before men to joyne themselves to the true visible Church 2. Dist. There is a f●llowship with the visible Church internall of hidden believers in the Romish Babel this is sufficient for salvation necessitate medii but though they want opportunity to joyne themselves to the Reformed visible Churches yet doe they sin in the want of a profession of the truth and in not witnessing against the Antichrist which is answerable to an adjoyning of themselves to a visible Church And so those who doe not professe the Faith of the true visible Church God offering opportunity deny Christ before men and this externall fellowship is necessary to all necessitate praecepti though our Lord graciously pardon this as an infirmity in his own who for feare of cruell persecution often dare 〈◊〉 confesse Christ. 3. Dist. The question is not whether all ought to joyne themselves 〈…〉 ●isible Church God offering occasion but if all ought by Christs command to joyne themselves to the Churches independent of their visible Congregations if they would be saved our Brethren 〈…〉 it we deny it 1. Concl. An adjoyning to a visible Church either formally to be a member thereof or materially confessing the Faith of the true visible Church God offering occasion is necessary to all 1. Because we are to be ready to give a confession of the ●●pe that is in us to every one who asketh 1 Pet. 3. 15. 2 Because he who denieth Christ before men him also will Christ deny before 〈◊〉 Father and before the holy Angells Mat. 10. 33. 3 Yet if some die without the Church having Faith in Christ and want opportunity to confesse him before men as repenting in the h●u●e of death their salvation is sure and they are within the invisible Church so is that to be taken extra Ecclesiam nulla salus none can be saved who are every way without the Church both visible and invisible as all perished who were not in Ncahs Arke 2. Concl. When God offereth opportunity all are obliged to joyne themselves to a true visible Church 1. Because God hath promised his presence to the Churches as his Sonne walketh in the midst of the golden candlesticks Rev. 2. 2. 2 Because Faith commeth by hearing a sent Preacher Rom. 10. 4. 3 Separation from the true visible Church is condemned Heb. 10. 24. Iud. v. 19. 1 Iohn 2. 19. 4. Good men esteeme it a rich favour of God to lay hold on the skirt of a Jew Zech. 8. 23. and to have any communion even as a doore keeper in Gods House and have desired it exceedingly and complained of the want thereof Psal. 84. 10. v. 1 2. Psal. 27. 4 Psal. 42. 1 2 3 4. Psal. 63. v. 1 2. 3. Concl. Our brethren with reverence of their godlinesse and learning erre who hold all to be obliged as they would be saved to joyne to such a visible congregation of independent jurisdiction as they conceive to be the only true Church visible instituted by Christ. That this is their mind is cleare by the first proposition of this Manuscript and by their answer to the 12 Question where they say that all not within their visible congregation as fixed sworne members thereof are without the true Church in the Apostles meaning 1 Cor. 5. 12. what have I to doe to judge them also that are without doe not yee judge them that are within which is a most violent torturing of the word For 1. without are dogs Rev. 22. so our brethren expound the one place by the other then all not fixed members of the congregationall Church as they conceive it of Corinth are dogs what was there not a Church of Saints on earth at this time but in one independent congregation of Corinth and were all the rest Dogs and Sorcerers 2. If judgeing here especially is the censure of Excommunication used according unto Christs institution that the spirit may be saved in the Day of the Lord and so to be used only toward regenerated persons then Paul was to intend the salvation of none by Excommunication but these who are members of one single congregation who are within this visible house of Christ then all the rest are without the house and so in the state of damnation 3. These who are without here are in a worse case then if they were judged by the Church that their spirit may be saved So they are left v. 13. to a severe judgement even to the immediate judgement of God as Cajetan doth well observe for sayth Erasmus Sarcerius Deus publica occulta sceler a non sinet impunita and Bullinger maketh as it is cleare an answer to an objection shall these who are without even the wicked Gentiles commit all wickednesse without punishment The Apostle answereth that saith he God shall judge them Non impune in vitiorum lacunis se provolvent prophani sed destinato tempore commeritas dabunt Deo ultori paenas And Paraeus num impune ibunt eorum scelera ●mo Judicem Deum invenient 4. These who are within here are these who are of Christs family sayth P. Martyr and opposite to Gentiles and infidels saith Paraeus for all men are divided into two ranks some domesticks and within the Church and to be judged by the Church and some strangers without the covenant not in Christ neither in profession nor truth as Gentiles who are left to the severity of Gods judgement but our Brethrens Text shall beare that Paul divideth mankind into three ranke 1. Some within as true members of the Church 2. Some without as infidels and some without as not members of a fixed congregation now Believers without and not members of a fixed congregation are not left to the severity of the immediate judgment of God as these who
in the Church assembly this Church-swearing is not rewarded so for how is it proved that a name even an everlasting name better then the names of sonnes and daughters is the name of a fellow-member in some obscure congregation or parish is this better then the name of a borne Jew who was also a member of the visible Church and if he believed in Christ had also the everlasting name of a member of the Jewish Church Surely there is no ground for this in Gods Word the everlasting name must be some spirituall remembrance and some invisible honour beyond the externall honour of being named the sonne or daughter of a Jew and by what warrant also of Gods word is Gods holy mountaine and his house of Prayer v. 7. which in the New Testament can no more be literally expounded then offering of burnt offerings by what warrant is this called a parochiall visible congregation where visible saints meets in one materiall house ordinarily and in one visible Church-way The house of Prayer there is Joh. 2. expounded of the typicall Temple which spiritually did typifie Christs body as he expoundeth it himselfe Ioh. 2. 18 19 20. deare brethren doe no violence to Gods Word 2. There is no ground that the Eunuch and stranger had no other complaint but want of visible membership for his laying hold on the Lords Sabbaths saith the contrary and though he should complain of that it is a small comfort promised th●● he shall be a member of a visible congregation which membership many Iudasses and Hypocrites injoy also 3. Though there were a visible Church-membership here promised as no intepreter that ever yet saw it but your selves yet it should onely follow before heathen who are come to age be Baptized and so inchurched they should externally lay hold on a professed covenant and so that they might be members of the invisible Church before they be members of the visible Church which is much for our Baptisme-covenant and nothing for your Church-covenant 4. Church-membership by your exposition is promised to none but these who inwardly by true faith are joyned to the covenant then all Church-Acts performed by pastors and professors not converted though they proceed clave no● errante following Christ his rule are null and no bapti●ing no binding in heaven for a promise conditionall is no promise say reason and lawyers where the condition is not fulfilled The Author of the Church-covenant citeth that of Ez●k 16. 8. I entred into covenant with thee and thou becamest min● Eze. 20. 37. I will cause you to passe under the rod here is a covenant not of a person but of the whole House of Israel v. 30. 39. This covenant is called a band and Junius observeth well takes from shepheards who went amongst their sheep with a Rod and selected and poynted out such as were for the Lords sacrifice Lev. 26. 31. Ergo under the New Testament men enter not into the Church hand over head but they passe under the Rod of due tryall and then being ●ound meet are inchurched Answ. He entered into covenant with Hierusalem dying in her owne blood v. 6. v. 8. your covenant is made with a people washed and converted 2. All are taken in promiscuously in this covenant externally good and evill who prospered to a kingdome and were renowned amongst the Heathen v. 13. 14. Your Church covenant is of persons who passe under the rod of pro●ation and passe for sound converts The other place is not to a purpose for God is not speaking of gathering his people to a visible Church but as Calvin Polanus Iunius God is meeting with the peoples wicked conclusion who said v. 34. They were banished and cap●ives mixed amongst the Nations and so free from Gods cor●ecting rod or band of Discipline and God saith and I will make you to passe under the Rod 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and I will bring you under the ●and of my covenant The Word is also Psal. 2. 3. and it is true ●hat 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 signifieth a staffe and a rod Prov. 10. 13. but it signifieth also a Kings Scepter Gen. 49. 10. but the band of the covenant signifieth no union of a visible Church nor is the Lord in that place promising the mercy of a gathered Church but by the contrary he threatneth an evill as v. 35. And I will bring you unto the wildernesse of the people and there will I plead with you face to face 36. Like as I peaded with your Fathers 37. And I will cause you to passe under the Rod c. To select you out from amongst the Heathen as sheep for sacrificing as the next verse 38. and I will purge out from amongst you the Re●●lls c. This place is violently brought to witnesse unjustly And what though God would have them tryed who were taken under his covenant of protection it should be the covenant of grace and not a Church-covenant for he meaneth no such thing They alleadge Jerem. 50. 4. And in those dayes and at that time the children of Israel shall come they and the children of Judah together saying let us be joyned to the Lord in a perpetuall covenant that shall not be forgotten Answ. 1. Israel and Judah together cannot be a parochiall congregation nor 2. Can Sion be a parish Church nor 3. is the Church-covenant from which a man is loosed when upon good warrants and the consent of the congregation he removeth cut of that Church to another A perpetuall Covenant that shall never be forgotten for eternity is proper to the covenant of grace betwixt God and man Jerem. 31. 33 37 38. Jerem. 32. 40. Isal. 54. 10. Isai. 55. 3. Isai. 59. 21. and there is no covenant betwixt mortall men who shall d●e an eternall covenant The Author saith There is nothing more plaine then Isai. 44. 5. One shall say I am the Lords and another shall call himselfe by the name of Jacob and another shall subscribe with his hand and sirname himselfe by the name of Israel These words are so plaine as nothing can be more plaine Answ. This is a cleare place that under the M●ssiah all people shall professe themselves in covenant with God and the children of God and the Church and Calvin citeth Psal. 87. 5. and of Sion it shall be said This and this man was borne in her but this is not plaine at all that these professe themselves sworne members of a particular Parish yea the contrary is most plaine that they shall call themselves by the name of Jacob and Israel that is children of the whole visible Church for Jacob and Israel is not restricted to one particular congregation Before the peoples captivity saith Musculus The names of B●●l and idoll gods sounded in their mouthes but then they shall professe the true God and that they are his people Now Gods covenant is made principally not with one single congregation not is
single Congregation which did meet in a private House for the celebration of the Lords Supper For Piscator with all our Divines 1 Cor. 14 teach that their were no capacious Temples in Corinth where they did meet for Gods worship 2. Judge if one single Congregation for the Congregations planted by the Apostles behoved to be competent and convenient for edification that all might heare and all partake of one bread 1 Cor. 10. 16. and one Table of the Lord v. 21. could necessitate Paul to stay at Corinth a yeare and six moneths when as Paul by one Sermon made in a certaine mans House named Justus did bring many to believe and be Baptized Acts 18 7. 8. And these many might conveniently make a Congregation beside the much people that God had there v. 10. not yet called but yet they were as interpreters say the Lords people by Gods decree of predestination 2. The multitude of Teachers proveth that their were more Congregation then one for 1. It is incongruous to the Wisdome of Christ to raise up many reapers where the harvest is narrow many builders for one congregationall House 2. It is contrary to Christs practice who sent not twelve Pastors to one place but sent them out two by two that all might find worke now can we thinke that where God had much people as Acts 18. 10. that he would have hundreths of Prophets to be hearers and one at once to speak to one single Congregation to what end gave the Lord a Talent to such a huge multitude of prophets that they might be oftener hearers then they could be in actuall prophecying It is not like 3. Whereas it is said 1 Cor. 14. 31. you may all prophecy one by one that all may learne and all may be comforted Di●datus saith yee may all prophecy namely by course and in diverse or severall Assemblies And Estius saith the same to wit that these Prophets were to prophecy in diverse assemblies and for this it is that he saith v 34. let your women 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 keepe silence 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in the Churches Ergo he supposeth there were more Congregations then one at Corinth Nor is there reason to say with some he speaketh of Churches in the plurall number because he made mention of all the Churches of the Saints in the verse going before for 1. He saith your Wom●n let them be silent now if he had not meant that there were many Congregations at Corinth he would not have forbidden it in their Women but of all Women and it is knowen there was a great abuse of spirituall gifts in Corinth so as women did prophecy in the assemblies and this the Apostle forbiddeth in their Churches in the pl●● all number And I pray you what roome or place was there for such a multitude of Prophets to edifie the Churches in one private House for there were no Temples where they might meet at Corinth 4. If Kenchrea be comprehended under the Church of Corinth in this Epistle and the Apostle writing to the Corinthians wrote also to this Church called Romans 16. 1. The Church at Kenchrea then have we more Congregations then one at Corinth Now the learned teach that Kenchrea was a Sea-port or Harbour of the Corinthians Origen saith it was a place neer to Corinth Off the Aegean Sea one the East and as Strabo saith ad sinum Saronicum as Lechea was the other port See Plinius And the multitude of Teachers I humbly conceive which did preach at Korinth may be gathered from 1 Cor. 1. 5. 1 Cor. 4. 6. 15. 1 Cor. 1. 12 13. 1 Cor. 3. 4 5. 1 Cor. 14. where there are multitudes of these who were all gifted to edifie others as those who spake with Tongues wrought miracles had the gift of healing And so many Prophets that Paul saith v. 31. for yee may all prophecy that all may lear●e and all may be comforted if these all who were to learne and to be comforted be the much people which God had in this City Acts 18. 9. and this all to be instructed and comforted I have no farther to say And 3. I can hardly believe that the end why God sent the gift of diverse tongues amongst them was to e●ifie one single Congregation for it is true that our Brethren say that 1 Corinthia●s vers 22. 14. Tongues are for a signe not to them that believe but to them that believe not But that which they hence collect is most groundlesse to wit that therefore the gift of Tongues according to its genuine end and intention is onely a miracle for the gaining of Heathen to the Faith and not intended to edifie the Church and people of a strange Language after they are brought in to the Church and therefore there is no ground for people of divers congregations to be instructed by strange Tongues Ans. The whole current of Divines answer as also Estius observeth on the place Tongues are given especially for infidels ut novitate mirac●li convertantur that by the newnesse of the miracle they may be converted though also Tongues serve to instruct these who believe and consequently say I that the Churches of divers Tongues may be edified And let me adde that strange Tongues were a mixt miracle I say mixt because both they were given to be a miraculous signe to assure Heathen that the sending downe of the Holy Ghost was a miraculous fruit of Christs Ascension to Heaven who promised that when he was ascended to the Father he would send the other comforter as is cleare Acts 2 89 10 11 12. and also it was so a miracle that Paul proveth that it is fruitlesse and wanteth the naturall and genuine end of speech and an humane voyce in the Church if it edifie not as 1. Tongues edifie not the Church except you speak to these who know the Language or except there be an Interpreter for other ways the speaker with Tongues shall be as a Barbarian to these to whom ●e speaketh and they as Barbarians to him 1 Cor. 14. 6. 7. 8 9 10 11. 2 He that speaketh with Tongues is to pray that he may interpret v. 13. That he may edifie the Church 3. He that speaketh with Tongues if he be not understood is fruitlesse and uselesse to others because the hearers can neither say amen to his preaching nor to his praying v. 14. 15 16 17. 4 except a man teach others his gift of Tongues teacheth not the Church v. 18 19 10. 5 strange Tongues in the Church when the hearers understand not are a judgement of God rather then an edifying of the Church v. 21. c. hence it is more then evident that the edifying end why the Lord had raised up these in the Church of Corinth which was now a planted and watered Church 1 Cor. 1. 1. ch 3 5 6 7. and a building the foundation whereof was layd v. 10. 11 12 c. was that the Church might be edified
because the Apostle mentioneth onely one single Church-meeting I think not and therefore the Apostles mentioning of one assembling of the Church acts 11. 26. and of one multitude in the singular number acts 15. 30. can never prove that there was but one single Congregation at Antioch Therefore there be great ●dds betwixt meeting in a Church and meeting in the Church Also Tit. 1. 5. for this cause was Titus left at Creet that he might appaynt Elders 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in every City if 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 be not all one with 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Acts 14. 23. acts 16. 4. 5. That is if ordaining of Elders of every City bee not as good as ordaining of Elders in every Church then must there be but in all and every City where ever the Apostles or Evangelists planted Churches but one single Congregation and not any more then could meet in a single Congregation which is a conjecture and much contrary to these times when the Gospell admirably grew in the World And it must follow that every City had but such a competent number as met in one place and if this hold as an uncertaine thing in great Cities then must we say an Eldership in a City and an Eldership of many Congregations were the first planted apostolick Churches and so rules to us also And looke what frame of Churches the Apostles did institute in Cities that same they behoved to institute in Villages also for places cannot change the frame of any institution of Christ. 2. The communion of Saints and Church-edification is as requisite for Villages as for Cities Arguments removed which Mr. Richard Mather and Mr. William Thomson Pastors in New England in their answer to Mr. Charles Herle do bring so far as they make against the authors former Treatises and a scanning of some Synodicall propositions of the Churches of N. England MR. Mather Mr. Thomson c. 1. 9. Governing power is only in the Elders 1 Cor. 12. 28. Rom. 12. 8. Heb. 13. 17. the people hath no power but rather a liberty or priviledge which when it is exercised about Ordination Deposition Excommunication is of the whole communiter or in generall but not of all and every member in particular Women for their Sex children for want of discr●tion are d●barred Answ. If there be no governing power in Women nor any act at all in excommunication You loose many arguments that you bring 1 Cor. 5. to prove that all have hand in excommunication 1. Because Paul writeth to all 2. All were to mourne 3. All ware to forbeare the company of the excommunicated men Then belike Paul writeth not to all Saints at Corinth not to Women and Women were not to mourne for the scandall nor to forbeare his company 2. The priviledge being a part of liberty purchased by Christs Body it must be due to Women for the liberty wherewith Christ hath made Women free cannot be taken away by any Law of God from their Sex except in Christ Iesus there be difference betwixt Iew and Gentile male and female nor is it removed because i● i● a power or authority for the authors say it is no power but a priviledge 3. What priviledge the people have in ordination to confer a Ministery which they neither have formally nor vertually I know not But I doe willingly say something here of the peoples power The first Synodicall proposition of New England is 1. Propos. The fraternity is the first Subject of all Ministeriall power radicalitèr idest 〈◊〉 per modum collationis some say suppletivè non habitualitèr non actualit ●r non formalitèr That is if I conceive it right The people voyd of all Officers have a vertuall power to conferre a Ministery on their Officers though they have not this power in themselves I could in some sense yield that Believers not Angells are capable of the Ministeriall power to exercise it formally but that Believers doe or can by any way of causative influence make Church-Officers I see not they may design a man qualified to bean Officer to the Office and that is all But say they people wanting or being naked and without all Officers hath not formally or habitually any power in them this latter part Igrant and the 2. Proposition I grant to wit That the presbytery is the first subject of all presbyteriall power habitually and formally But I doe not see how it standeth with the third proposition which is 3. The fraternity or the people without the Officers and without Women or children have an authoritative concurrence with the presbytery in judiciall acts Because if the Brethren have an halfe Ministeriall power with the Officers in acts of Jurisdiction and Excommunication Deposition and Censures I see not how there is not a Ministeriall power formally and habitually at least in part in the Brethren and so contrary to the third proposition the Prasbytery is not the first subject of all Prebyteriall power for the brethren are sharers with the Elders in this power 2. We desire to see it made good by Gods Word that the brethren have a joynt power of Jurisdiction with the Elders for the Table giveth them a brotherly publick power not by way of Charity but a politick Church power in many eminent acts especially in those eight and that constantly 1. In the admission 1. In Sending Messengers to the Churches 2. In the excommunication of members 2. 2. In interpretation of Scripture 3. In the calling 3. In a judiciall determination of controversies of Religion in a synod 4. And Deposition of Ministers 4. In a power of disposing of things indifferent I cannot see any judiciall power or any farther then a charitative yielding by way of a loving and brotherly consent that the Scripture giveth to brethren 3. How this can be denied to be a power of jurisdiction and governing and an actuall Ministeriall using of the Keyes of the Kingdome by those who ex officio by place and calling are no Officers I believe is not easily understood 4. The letter that I saw sayth that that learned and godly Divine Mr. Cotton and some others thinke that the Church as it is an Organicall Body made up of Elders and people is the first subject of all Ecclesiasticall power and they divide it into a power of authority and a power of liberty whereof the power of authority belongeth to the Elders or Eldership and the power of liberty to the Fraternity or Brethren that are not Officers and therefore these reverend brethren deny any authoritative concurrence to the brethren and they thinke that the Church as it is an homogeneall body that is a company destitute of Officers cannot formally ordaine excommunicate or censure the Elders though in case of obstinacy they may doe that which is equivalent and so separate from them The 4. Proposition is The fraternity or Brethren in an Organicall Body or in a ●●med and established Church consisting of Officers and people act and use
all fundamentalls 3. Totally and finally But wee are not to beleeve Papists who say things are fundamentall materially in themselves as all points necessary to bee beleeved but things are not formally fundamentall but such things onely as the Church d●fineth to be fundamentall But 1. the foundation of our Faith is Gods Word and Gods Word is necessary to be beleeved to salvation whether the Church define it or no to abstaine from Idolatry is necessary to be beleeved though Aaron and the Church of Israel say the contrary neither doth Gods Word borrow authority from men 2. If the Church may make points to be fundamentall by their definition whereas before they were not fundamentall then may the Church make articles of faith Sure I am Paipsts as Gerson Occam Almaine Suarez yea and a very Bellarmine is against this Yea and by that same reason they may make fundamentall points to bee no fundamentall points and they may turne the Apostles Creed into no faith at all for ejusdem est potestos creare annihilare 3. There cannot be a greater power in the Church to define Articles of faith then is in God himselfe but the very authority of God doth not define a matter to bee an article of faith except the necessitie of the matter so require for God hath determined in his word that Paul left his cloake at Treas but that Paul left his cloake at Troas is not I hope an article of faith or a fundamentall point of salvation 4. What can the Church doe saith Vincentius Lyrinens but declare that that is to be beleeved which before in it selfe was to bee beleeved and Bellarmine saith Councells maketh nothing to be of infallible verity and so doth Scotus say Verity before heresies erat de fide was a matter of faith though it was not declared to be so by the Church Determinatio non facit vertatem saith O●cam The Churches determination maketh no truth 3. The evidence of knowledge of fundamentals is gravely to bee considered Hence these distinctions 1. One may beleeve that Christ is the Sonne of God by a Divine faith as Peter doth Matth. 16. 17. and yet doubt of the necessary consequences fundamentall Ergo Christ must bee delivered into the hands of sinners and bee crucified as the same Peter doubted of this for as one may fall in a grievous sinne though regenerated and faile in act and yet remaine in grace in habitu the seed of God remaining in him so may Peter and the Apostles doubt of a fundamentall point of Christs rising from the dead John 20. v 8 9. in an act of weakenesse and yet have saving faith in Christ as it is like many of of the Saints at Corinth denyed an article of their Faith the rising againe of the dead one act of unbeleefe maketh not an infidell 2. Dist. A simple Papist and a Lutheran not well educated doth beleeve upon the same former ground that Christ is true man hath an habitual faith of this article that Jesus Christ is truly the Son of David yet holdeth transubstantiation or consubstantiati● that Christs body is in many sundry places in heaven and earth on this side of the Sea beyond Sea yet the conn●xion betwixt Christs humanitie and this monster of transubstantiation not being possible all the error may be meerely philosophick that the extention of quantitative parts without or beyond part is not the essence of a quantitative body while as the rude man beleeveth firmely that Christ is true man and so beleeveth contradictory things by good consequence therefore the qualitie of the conscience of the beleever is to be looked into since fundamentall heresie is essentially in the mind and pertinacy and selfe-conviction doth inseparably follow it 1. There is a conscience simply doubting of fundamentall points this may be with a habit of sound faith 2. A scrupulous conscience which from light grounds is brangled about some fundamentall points and this is often in sound beleevers who may and doe beleeve but with a scruple 3. A conscience beleeving opinions and conjecturing and guessing as in Atheists this is damnable but where obstinacy is as defending with pertinacie transubstantiation and that it is lawfull to adore bread this pertinacious defending of Idolatry doth inferre necessarily that the faith of the article of Christs humanitie is but false and counterfeit and not saving 3. Dist. There is a certitude of adherence formall and a certitude of adherence virtuall A certitude of adherence formall is when one doth adhere firmly to the faith of fundamentalls A certitude of adherence virtuall is when with the formall adherence to some fundamentall points there is an ignorance of other fundamentall points and yet withall a gracious disposition and habit to beleeve other fundamentalls when they shall bee clearely revealed out of the word so Luke 24. Christ exponed the resurrection and the articles of Christs sufferings and glorification vers 25 26 27. to the Disciples who doubted of these before and yet had saving faith of other fundamentall points Matth. 16. 17. 18. 4. Hence there be two sorts of fundamentalls some principally and chiefely so called even the elements and beginning of the doctrine of Christ as Credenda things to be beleeved in the Creed the object of our faith and p●tenda things that we aske of God expressed in the Lords Prayer the object of our hope specially 2. Agenda things to be done contained in the decalogue the object of our love to God and our brethren Others are so secundarily fundamentall or lesse fundamentalls as deduced from these yea there be some artcles of the Creed principally fundamentall these all are explicitely to be beleeved noted by Vigilius Martyr and Pareus as that Christ died and rose againe c. Other Articles are but modi articulorum fundamentalium and expositions and evident determinations of cleare articles As Christs incarnation and taking on our flesh is explained by this conceived of the holy Ghost and borne of the Virgin Mary the death and suffering of Christ is exponed by subordinate articles as that he suffered under Pontius Pilate was crucisied c. and these lesser fundamentalls are to be beleeved necessitate praecepti because God commandeth them but happily non necessitate medii It is possible many bee in glory who beleeve not explicitely but onely in the disposition of the mind as some are baptized in voto in their desire onely these lesser fundamentalls it is enough they have the faith of non-repugnancy or negative adherence to these so as they would not deny them if they had beene proponed to them in a distinct and cleare way 5. The faith of fundamentalls is implicit three wayes 1. In respect of the degree of beleeving 2. In respect of the object 3. In respect of the subject or our adherence to things beleeved In respect of degrees the faith is implicite and weake three wayes as Calvin may teach 1. Because we are