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warrant_n to_o call_v upon_o
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juva_fw-fr paula_n vale_fw-la o_o paula_n &_o cultoris_fw-la tui_fw-la ultimam_fw-la senectutem_fw-la orationibus_fw-la juva_fw-fr farewell_n o_o paula_n and_o assist_v with_o thy_o prayer_n the_o extreme_a old_a age_n of_o thy_o worshipper_n theoph._n from_o other_o evident_a passage_n of_o that_o father_n we_o conclude_v this_o to_o be_v a_o rhetorical_a apostrophe_n and_o not_o the_o judgement_n &_o practice_n of_o s._n jerom_n to_o pray_v unto_o the_o saint_n depart_v for_o in_o his_o book_n against_o vigilantius_n he_o first_o assert_n that_o martyr_n be_v not_o to_o be_v worship_v adoravit_fw-la worship_v quis_fw-la aliquando_fw-la martyr_n adoravit_fw-la whoever_o worship_v they_o phil._n althou_n they_o be_v not_o worship_v as_o god_n yet_o we_o may_v pray_v unto_o they_o theoph._n prayer_n be_v a_o part_n of_o religious_a worship_n due_a to_o god_n if_o you_o mean_v only_o civil_a request_n such_o as_o one_o christian_n make_v to_o another_o to_o remember_v he_o in_o his_o 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of_o this_o holy_a father_n to_o prove_v the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n etc._n saint_n tract_n 84._o in_o joannem_fw-la non_fw-la sic_fw-la mart._n ad_fw-la mensam_fw-la commemoramus_fw-la etc._n etc._n we_o do_v not_o so_o commemorate_v martyr_n at_o the_o holy_a table_n as_o we_o do_v other_o who_o rest_n in_o peace_n so_o as_o to_o pray_v for_o they_o but_o rather_o that_o they_o may_v pray_v for_o we_o .._o and_o the_o second_o place_n be_v like_a unto_o it_o de_fw-fr verbis_fw-la apostolorum_fw-la serm._n 17._o commendari_fw-la 17._o injuria_fw-la est_fw-la pro_fw-la mart._n orare_fw-la cujus_fw-la nos_fw-la debemus_fw-la orat._n commendari_fw-la it_o be_v a_o injury_n to_o pray_v for_o a_o martyr_n unto_o who_o prayer_n we_o shall_v be_v commend_v theoph._n in_o these_o two_o parallel_a passage_n s_o t_o augustin_n show_v that_o the_o commemoration_n of_o the_o martyr_n at_o the_o altar_n in_o the_o time_n of_o divine_a service_n must_v not_o be_v construe_v a_o prayer_n for_o they_o for_o that_o will_v be_v a_o injury_n to_o they_o but_o rather_o a_o tacit_a recommendation_n of_o the_o congregation_n unto_o their_o prayer_n and_o intercession_n here_o be_v no_o invocation_n express_v but_o only_o a_o recommendation_n imply_v and_o so_o they_o be_v dubious_a and_o imperfect_a proof_n and_o in_o the_o first_o he_o speak_v only_o comparative_o that_o martyr_n shall_v rather_o pray_v for_o we_o than_o we_o for_o they_o and_o yet_o withal_o i_o must_v acquaint_v you_o that_o epiphanius_n a_o primitive_a bishop_n who_o do_v much_o oppose_v the_o grow_a superstition_n of_o worship_v saint_n and_o image_n both_o by_o his_o write_n and_o action_n etc._n action_n heresi_n 75._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n be_v express_o tell_v we_o we_o pray_v for_o martyr_n and_o for_o the_o whole_a order_n of_o bless_a saint_n etc._n etc._n that_o so_o we_o may_v distinguish_v the_o lord_n christ_n from_o all_o generation_n of_o men._n phil._n make_v what_o use_n of_o your_o observation_n you_o please_v i_o pass_v to_o the_o three_o testimony_n which_o bellarmin_n bring_v from_o s_o t_o etc._n t_o lib._n de_fw-fr cura_fw-la pro_fw-la mortuis_fw-la c._n 4._o nisi_fw-la ad_fw-la hoc_fw-la ut_fw-la dum_fw-la recolunt_fw-la ubi_fw-la sunt_fw-la etc._n etc._n augustin_n i_o do_v not_o see_v what_o advantage_n to_o the_o dead_a be_v the_o care_n of_o their_o friend_n to_o bury_v they_o near_o the_o tomb_n of_o some_o martyr_n unless_o herein_o that_o whilst_o they_o remember_v where_o the_o body_n of_o their_o friend_n do_v lie_v they_o may_v commend_v they_o unto_o those_o saint_n as_o patron_n to_o be_v assist_v by_o their_o prayer_n theoph._n notwithstanding_o this_o testimony_n we_o shall_v willing_o be_v try_v by_o this_o book_n concern_v s_n t_o augustins_n judgement_n in_o the_o point_n of_o pray_v to_o the_o saint_n and_o i_o will_v therefore_o give_v you_o a_o short_a account_n of_o the_o whole_a book_n in_o the_o beginning_n s_o t_o 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cruelty_n of_o tyrant_n that_o so_o christian_n who_o
contemn_v death_n may_v learn_v much_o more_o to_o contemn_v their_o burial_n he_o show_v that_o funeral_n solemnity_n be_v mortuorum_fw-la be_v magis_fw-la sunt_fw-la vivorum_fw-la solatiaquam_fw-la subsidia_fw-la mortuorum_fw-la rather_o comfort_n to_o the_o live_n than_o assistance_n to_o the_o dead_a and_o then_o come_v near_o unto_o the_o question_n touch_v the_o advantage_n of_o be_v bury_v in_o a_o martyr_n temple_n he_o answer_v in_o those_o word_n which_o bellarmin_n cite_v i_o see_v not_o how_o such_o a_o provision_n can_v benefit_v the_o person_n decease_v unless_o herein_o that_o while_o his_o friend_n remember_v where_o his_o body_n lie_v inter_v they_o may_v be_v apt_a to_o commend_v he_o to_o the_o patronage_n of_o that_o saint_n for_o assistance_n with_o god_n phil._n this_o plain_o prove_v the_o particular_a invocation_n of_o saint_n depart_v theoph._n have_v patience_n and_o s_o t_o augustin_n in_o the_o next_o chapter_n will_v show_v what_o he_o mean_v by_o this_o 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