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A90883	Certaine scruples from the army: presented in a dialogue betweene a minister of the new moulded Presbytery, and a souldier of his Excellencies (formerly new-moulded, but now despised) army. Being the substance of severall discourses, of the souldiers with the ministers in divers parts of the kingdom. Wherein the doubtfulnesse of the ministers new old, or old new calling, is manifested, their compelling principle detected: the practise of souldiers, and others, exercising themselves in the Scriptures, for their mutuall edifying, justifyed. / By one of the kingdomes servants, in the army.	Pounset, John.	1647 (1647)	Wing P3039B; Thomason E390_21; ESTC R201540	20,790	31

laboured with him in the Gospel Phil. 4.3 we see Paul was a man of a gallant free self-denying spirit he did rejoyce if Christ was preached either by men or women he did not feare the eclipsing of his own glory he stood more upon the glory of God notwithstanding he knew some did preach to that end Phil. 1.16 Presb. Doth not Paul forbid women to preach 1 Cor. 14 34. Yea even commands them to keep silence in the Church Sould. It s true in the Church he forbids them but out of the Church he leaves them to their liberty but in the same Chapter he allows all the members except women to use their gifts as ver 1 24 26.31 The next place of Scripture I shall give you is 1 Pet. 4.10 11. the words are As every man hath received the gift even so let him minister the same one to another as good stewards of the manifold grace of God Presb. But the Apostle speaks inverse 9. of Hospitality Sould. It is true but ver 10. he speaks of manifold grace so that if he did mean outward things he meant spiritual things also and ver 11. he sayes If any man speak let him speak as the Oracles of God Presb. But be meant the Ministers Sould. If he did he meant others also for he bids them minister one to another and I hope you will not say that Ministers must onely minister to Ministers Presb. I see you can talke for your self well but wee shall have you talk some where else ere long Sould. Doe I speak any more then the Scripture speakes I have given you nothing else but we may see what spirits you are of that instead of harkning to what the Scriptures speak you fall to your old threatning speech I thought to have given you more Scripture but if this take place in your spirit no better there is little hope to convince you by quoting Scripture Presb. This is a meet vapour I doe beleeve you have produced all you know of Sould. Nay I can give you many more but because our way doth not lye farre together I will onely name the places to you and you may peruse them at your leisore Heb. 3.13 Chap. 10.24 25. Mal. 3.16 Revel 11.3.7 19 10. Presb. Well I will look upon these places when I can attend it Sould. Nay I think you are not greatly over-wrought unlesse it be in seeking after the best Benifice or in seeking for a way and power to kill us for doing our duty Presb. I deny it to be your duty to Preach Sould. But I have proved it Presb. I grant it was their duty which you instance in but that was in a time of need and necessity hath no law Sould. Sir if it was duty for them because it was a time of need then sure it is our duty now for I think there was never a time of greater need for if you should travell as we have done up and down the Country you might see it for the people generally know little more of God and Christ than those that never heard of him and have almost none in many places to inform them better Now after we have hazzarded our lives against our professed enemies and God hath given us them for a prey we are forced to hazzard them againe in the discharge of our duty in a time of such need But we did not look for such measure at your hands But I see the old Proverb is true That a False friend is worse than an open enemy for you onely shewed your selves kinde to us till we had served your turne viz. to bring under the Episcopall party that so you might get into your Lordly dignity and now you indevour our ruine Presb. Farre he it from us to seek your ruine we onely seek is reclaime you from sowing your errors Sould. I shall make the same answer to you as once Paul did before Foelix Act. 24.14 when the persecuting Ministers of the Jews came with their Oratour Tertullus who came to slander Paul before the Governour That after the way which you call Heresie so worship we the God of our Fathers And indeed you deale by us as they did by Paul who after he had been delivered by the marveilous providence of God from the violence of the wicked conspiring Jewes by the heathen Captaine they come on againe with a new designe against him and bring a Tertullus to accuse him to the Governour of being a pestilent fellow a mover of sedition and a chiefe maintainer of the Sect of the Nazarites even so God having wonderfully delivered us from our enemies that you see we perish not by them now you bring your great Orator Tertullus alias Mr. Edwards and furnish him from all quarters of the Land with accusations against us as false as that of Tertullus was that Paul was a pestilent seditious fellow c. and you your selves say the same thing of us as that we are pestilent broachers of Heresie wicked Sectaries and what not and from this you would as you say reclaime us and the way you take is to labour by all meanes to incense the Magistrates against us if possibly you may prevaile with them to cut us off from the Land either by death or by banishment or so it be done you care not which way and least the Magistrate should refuse to yeeld to your wicked desire you have another way to help at a dead lift which is to make your Pulpits ring with out-cries against us that so you may image the rude people to set upon us by some violent assault or other to destroy us But look to it innocent blood being shed cries loud in the ears of the Lord for vengeance against these that shed it as you may see Gen. 4.10 the voyce of thy brothers blood cryeth unto me from the earth saith God to Caint See also Revel 6.10 and they cryed with a loud voyce saying how long Lord holy and true doest thou not judge and avenge our blood and 16.6 they have shed the blood of the Saints and thou hast given them blood to drinke for they are worthy And Chap. 19.2 The servant of the Lord sing prayses to him for avenging their blood at the hand of the great Whore and indeed blood seldome goeth unpunished in this life as I might give you many instances see it fulfilled upon Ahab and his house 2 King 9.7 8 9 10. Chap. 10. 11. so J●●u's house Hos 1.4 Nay you may see how fearfull those Mariners were Jonch 1.14 Of being guilty of innocent blood notwithstanding as it seems they had all-most every one of them a severall God and let mee tell you if you be guilty of our blood it will be with an aggravation for wee as instruments have saved your lives and caused you to sit at home in peace This consideration prevailed with Soul as wicked as he was when Jonathan had said unto him let not the King sinne against his servant

Certaine Scruples from THE ARMY Presented in a DIALOGUE BETWEENE A Minister of the New moulded Presbytery and a Souldier of his Excellencies formerly New-moulded but now despised ARMY Being the Substance of severall Discourses of the Souldiers with the Ministers in divers parts of the Kingdom Wherein the doubtfulnesse of the Ministers new old or old new Calling is manifested their compelling principle detected The practise of Souldiers and others exercising themselves in the Scriptures for their mutuall edifying justifyed By one of the Kingdomes Servants in the Army REVEL 7 1. And after that I saw foure Angels stand on the foure corners of the earth holding the foure winds of the earth that the winde should not blow on the earth neither on the Sea neither on any tree JEREM 23.1 Woe be unto the Pastours that scatter the sheep of my pasture saith the Lord. REVEL 18.24 And in her was found the blood of the Prophets and of the Saints and of all that was slaine upon the earth LONDON Printed for John Pounset and are to be sold at his shop at the Hand and Bible at the lower end of Budge-row neere Canning-street 1647. To the Reader Christian Reader I Have presented to thy view the state of the severall differences that have been between the Presbyterian Ministers and such Souldiers of us as have had occasion to discourse with them in and about our severall quarters so farre as they are differences relateing to such Discourses as have been between us by way of Dialogue Wherein thou mayest see what they chiefly blame us for and what is our defence we not being conscious to our selves of any just offence given by us for which we deserve to be condemned by them as men not worthy of common priviledges I have therefore indevoured to cleare up by the Scripture that in those things for which we are accused by them we have done nothing but our duty wherein we desire to please God though it displease the great and mighty ones of the world and indeed my maine aime in writing of this ensuing Discourse is not so much to clear up our own innocency as to informe others in the Truth that so I may be an instrument of their inlightning which is the longing desire of him that in this Treatise hath indevoured the glory of God and their good which if it prove so will be his greatest joy Farewell Thine J.P. A Dialogue between a Minister of the New-moulded Presbytery and a Souldier of his Excellencies formerly New-moulded but now despised ARMY Presbyterian WEll over-taken sir how farre if I may be so ●old doe you travell this way Sold. I am going to the head Quarters at Nottingham Pres Then it seems you are a Souldier Soul I am so indeed Pres I doe confesse that you Souldiers have done the Kingdome very good service but you have likewise done very ill service therefore wee must as our Brother Love layes reward you for the good service and punish you for your evill service Sould. Sir I pray you answer me two questions First I pray sir what are you Secondly what is the evill we Souldiers have done that so we may know wherefore we are punished for we are not conscious to our selves of any evill service we have done to the State onely we have some among us that are vile enough but we doe what we can to reclaime them Pres Sir to your questions I answer and to your first I am a Minister of Christ and to your second I answer it is not because you have some vile persons among you for that will be in any Army therefore that doth not trouble us but the evill for which you are to be purished is that you have sowed the seeds of error in all the parts of the Kingdome where you have come Sould. You lay you are a Minister of Christ and for ought I yet know it may be so for I have not as yet had any great acquaintance with you but whereas you say It is not our vile persons in the Army which troulde you but our sowing the seeds of error that you doe intend to punish us for this makes me doubt whether you are the Minister of Christ or no for I did never heare any of the Ministers of Christ lay that to our charge but I have heand them blesse God for us they well knowing that we have not onely done faithfull service to the state in the field but also have been intraments in the Lords hand of inlightning many people in the Land who also blesse the Lord for us Pres This you say but it is not so because you s●● it Sould. I can produce many witnesses to confirme the truth of what I say but if I could not it were as well proved as you have proved that wee have sown the seeds of error in the Land and doe for that deserve to be punished Presb. The thing is agreed on by all the Orthodox Divines of bath Kingdomes Sould. You speak strangely as if because they say it it is therefore so but because you would have it passe for a sound proofe you give them two titles which are very high that so the people may not question it First you say they are Orthodox that so none need question the soundnesse of their judgements and Secondly you call them Divines that so the people may look upon them as Little gods or somewhat more then men as they indeed have done but to tell you my thoughts I count it little better then one of the names of Blaspbemie which are on the Beast Revel 17.3 and ought not to be given to any mortall creature And if it might be attributed to any then to all the people of God for they all partake of the Divine nature 2 Per. 1.4 and are or at least ought all to have a Divine imployment if it may be so called viz. to search and study the Scriptures Presb. Then it seems that you would have all to preach Sould. I confesse I would have it so indeed but I pray sir what doe you understand preaching to be Presb. I doe understand preaching to be the taking some part of Scripture and unfolding of the sense and applying it to the people for their edifying Sould. Then by preaching you doe not mean so to preach at the Apostles did by an immediate inspirations Presb. No. Sould. Then I suppose all men may preach so viz. Read the Scriptures and compare them together and apply them as they shall be inabled for their mutuall edification exhortation and comfort Presb. No they may not Sould. Why I pray you Presb. For many reasons at first they are not learned secondly they are not called thirdly if they should it would bring the preaching of Ministers into contempt for if every Souldier and Tradesman should preach and that for mothing men will not care whether they heare us or no therefore we have got an Ordinance to prohibit it and desire a penalty worse then