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A08533	The picture of a Puritane: or, A relation of the opinions, qualities, and practises of the Anabaptists in Germanie, and of the Puritanes in England VVherein is firmely prooued, that the Puritanes doe resemble the Anabaptists, in aboue fourescore seuerall thinges. By Oliuer Ormerod, of Emmanuel Colledge in Cambridge. Wherunto is annexed a short treatise, entituled, Puritano-papismus: or a discouerie of Puritan-papisme.	Ormerod, Oliver, 1580?-1626.	1605 (1605)	STC 18852; ESTC S113478	77,758	124

contemned our Superintendents beheld with disdaine their Titles and Offices The Englishman The Titles and Offices of Arch-bishoppes and Bishops are more auncient and necessarye then the Titles and Offices of Superintendents are for the Apostle Peter did as Clemens hath obserued appoint in a Clemens in Compēdiario Christiana Religion euery Prouince one Arch-bishop whome all other Bishops of the Prouince should obey And wee reade that Dyonisius Areopagita was b Volusus epist ad Nichol. 1. Archbishoppe of Athens and appointed thereunto by Saint Paul that Timothie was c Chrysost in 1. Timoth. 5. Bishoppe of Ephesus that Titus was d Chrysost in 1. Tit. Bishop of Creta that Saint Iohn e Euseb lib. 3 cap. 23. gouerned the Church in Asia after his returne from Pathmos that Iames was f Euseb lib. 2. cap. 23. Bishoppe of Ierusalem that Polycarpe was g Tertul. de Prescript Bishoppe of Smirna that Demetrius was h Euseb lib. 6 cap. 1 Bishoppe of Alexandria that Saint Cyprian was i cyprian lib 4 Epist 8. Bishoppe of Carthage that Saint Gregory was k Euseb lib. 7. cap. 14. Bishop of Pontus that Saint Chrysostome was l Theod. lib. 5. cap. 28. Archbishoppe of Constantinople that Theodoret was m Theod. epist ad Leon. Bishoppe of Cyprus And in Elutherius his time which was Anno Dom. 180. when this Realme was first conuerted to Christianitie there was as Maister Fox n Tom. 1. page 146. acknowledgeth appointed in the same three Archbishoppes and 28. Bishops All which notwithstanding the fauourites of the new fangle-faction would haue instead of Arch-bishoppes an equalitie of Ministers If you wi● restore the Church say the Admonitors to his auncient Officers this you must doe instead of an Arch-bishoppe or Lord Bishoppe you must make equalitie of Ministers Yea o T. C. lib 2 page 438. the learnedst of them is not ashamed to write that Archbishops and Bishoppes are new Ministeries neuer ordained by God The Germaine The 20. sēblance A Although p Gerlachius in Hyper. Dan. page 30. the Anabaptists pretended the forenamed equalitie yet they sought Dominion laboured onely to pull the rule from others that the rule might haue bo●●e in their owne handes and that they onelye might haue borne the sway The Englishman That our Puritanes doe the like I prooue it by the late Archbishops experience You desire saith a In his desēce of the answere to the Admonition page 459. hee this equalitie not because you would not rule for it is manifest that you seeke it moste ambitiously in your manner but because you condemne and disdaine to bee ruled and to bee in subiection Indeede your meaning is as I said before to rule and not to be ruled to doe what you list in your seuerall cures without controlement of Prince Bishoppe or any other And therefore pretending equalitie most disorderly you seek Dominion I speake that I knowe by experience in some of you But let vs see what other speeches they deliuered against your ecclesiasticall Magistrates The 21. sēblance The Germaine VVHat needes so many wordes b Gerlacius in Hyper Dan. Page 30. Gerlachius telleth you that they disdained them scorned them rayled on them The Englishman Yea but they haue not come neere our Puritanes in this point I will acquaint you with some of their speeches which they haue belched out against the Reuerend Fathers of our Church They c See their Booke inituled Hay yee any worke page 14. 15. 20. 21 blush not to say that Archbishoppes and Bishops are superfluous members of the body of Christ that they maime and deforme his body making it by that meanes a Monster that they are vnlawfull false and bastardly gouernours of the Church that they are ordinances of the Deuill that they are in respect of their places enemies of God that they are Petty Popes pettie Antichristes Bishoppes of the Deuill that the lawes that maintaine Archbishops Bishops are no more to be accounted of then the lawes that maintaine stewes that the true church of God ought to haue no more to doe with them their Sinagogues then with the sinagogues of Sathan But not to interrupt your speech any longer what was the c●use that the Anabaptists railed on your church-gouernors The Germaine The 22. sē-blance SVrely a Bulling advers Anabap. Fol. 19. 95. 242. because they endeuoured to bring them to conformitie by compulsion The Englishman By the orders of our Church and lawes of the Realme there is required of our Ministers a subscriptiō to his Majestres lawfull authority in causes Ecclesiasticall to the Articles of Religion to the Booke of Common Prayer and to the orders Rites Ceremonies of our Church Now because our Church-gouernours do according to their duetie depriue those of their liuings that refuse to subscribe heerunto The Puritanes doe complaine of rigor and reuile Gods high Priest which Saint b Act. 23. 5. Paul repented hee had ignorantly done though that high Priest was an vsurper I confesse indeede that they haue yeilded to subscribe to c See their petition to the King the Articles of Religion and to the Kings suprmacie but this is not sufficient for it is a thing too manifest with what libelling and rayling the forme of our Seruice of our Ceremonies of our apparell c. hath beene depraued and shamefully slaundered by these factious Sprits They haue blazed and diuulged abroade as shall heereafter be shewed more at large that the Communion Booke was culled and picked out of the Popish dunghill the Masse Booke that it is Papisticall that it were better to conforme our selues in outward thinges to the Turkes then to the Papists It behooueth therfore the reuerend Fathers of our Church to compell them to subscribe not onely to the Articles of Religion and to the Kinges supremacy but to the Communion Booke also and to the Discipline of our Church Neyther ought they to thinke that they are too rigorously dealt withal if that they be compelled vrged to shew their conformitie in all thinges seeing that the same course is taken in all other Churches for the repressing of schisme To insist onely in one particular whosoeuer is made Minister at Geneua he sweareth to keepe a Vide leges Geneuens Fol. 3. all their Ecclesiasticall ordinances Yea we reade b Vide Bezam in vita Caluin that Maister Caluin procured a generall oath to be taken through out the whole Cittie of Geneua for the approbation therof Now why should not our Reuerend Bishops haue as free libertie to doe the like But tell mee did not your Anabaptists require a secret subscription of their followers The Germaine Yes although they would not yeild their conformitie with vs in obseruing the good lawes and ordinances of our Church yet priuatlie as c Sleidan L. 6 Sleidan reporteth they gaue their mutuall faith and oath each to other The Englishman The 23.

great encouragement vnto them as that they challenged the sound Preachers to disputation The Englishman It hapened also amongst vs that diuers Ministers who as they a In their Petition to the King themselues haue confessed had subscribed to the orders of our Church fell away from their former loue and liking therof and joyned with the Puritane-faction But you tell mee that your Anabaptists did challenge your Preachers to dispute with them was there any publique disputation graunted them The Germaine NO and for this cause they greatly complayned and The 35. sēblance cryed out that the truth was oppressed that innocent and Godly men which would haue had all things reformed according to the word of God could not be heard nor haue libertie to speake and that Maister Zuinglius stopped their mouthes and defended his cause not by the word of God but by the authoritie of the Magistrate The Englishman b See their Book intituled the State of the Church of England Page 38. So doe our Sectaries likewise crye out that the Clincke the Gate-house the White-lyon and the Fleete haue beene our onely arguments wherby wee haue prooued our cause these many yeares But I pray you did your Ministers conferre with your Anabaptists did they vse no meanes to reclaime them The Germaine Yes although there was no publique disputatiō granted them yet did they conferre with them from time to time therby to reclaime them from their errors The Englishman I pray you what kinde of arguments vsed they The Germaine Truely insteed of sound and sustantiall arguments they vsed sophisticall fallacies The Englishman I doe thinke that your Anabaptists doe not come neere our Puritanes in this point The Germaine Why doe you not thinke it The Englishman Because our Puritanes doe thinke that they haue Logicke enough when they haue read and conned ouer Ramus his Logicke and so consequently they often vse fallacies before euer they be aware They cannot forsooth endure to read Aristotles golden Booke de sophisticis Elanchis The Germaine What are some of your Students trained vp in Peter Ramus The Englishman Yes as it was the wisdome of the a Dan. 1. 41 King of Babylon to take young Children of Israell whome hee might teach the learning and tongue of Chaldea rather then their olde men so it is the wisdome of some Ramisticall Tutors to season our greene vessels with this liquor of Puritanisme that they may keepe the taste thereof while life remaineth But not to interrupt your speech what fallacies vsed they The Germaine The 36. sēblance THey vsually reasoned ab eo quod est secundum quid ad ●d quod est simpliciter The Englishman I must intreate you to expresse your minde more plainely that I may vnderstand your meaning The Germaine My meaning is this they vsually reasoned after this manner a vide Bulling aduers anabap fol. 9. 18. Such and such thinges were not in the Apostles dayes therfore they ought not to be in these dayes The Englishman This fallacie hath been the originall and Wel-spring of many both olde and new schismes of olde as of them that called themselues Apostolicos and of the Aerians of new as of the Anabaptists Brownists Puritanes and others To insist onely in the Puritanes we must say b Admon 1. Page 105 they haue Surplesses deuised by Pope Ardian Interrogatories ministred to the Infant God-fathers and God-mothers brought in by Higinus holy Fonts inuented by Pope Pius crossing such like pieces of popery which the Church of God in the Apostles time neuer knewe and therfore they are not to be vsed The Germaine The 37. sēblance OVr c Arist de sophisticis Elench Lib. 1. cap. 5. Anabaptists vsed an other erronious kinde of reasoning which Aristotle calleth To en arche aiteisthai which is when a man frameth vnto himselfe certaine principles of his owne deuising grounded neyther vpon authoritie neyther yet vpon substantiall reason and then vpon the same will conclude his purpose The Englishman This fallacie hath also been the foundation of many both olde and new schismes of olde as of the Aerians who forsooke the Church because therein were some thinges vsed which Heritickes had abused of new as of the Anabaptists Brownists Puritanes and others To insist againe in the Puritanes onely they commit this fallacie in vsing these two false Principles the one when they say that to be inuented by the late Popes which was not inuented by them the other when they say that nothing may be vsed in the Church of Christ which is vsed in the Church of Rome To begin with the first they commit this fallacie when they say that the Surplesse was deuised by Pope Adrian for the Godly Fathers of the Church in the purest estate thereof haue left it in writing how that the Ministers in their times did vsually put on white garments in the execution of diuine Seruice and in the celebration of the blessed Sacraments For proofe heereof I referre you to Saint a Chrysost ad Populum Antiochē Hom. 6. Chrisostome to Saint b Hieron Lib. 13. in Ezchiel 44. et in Lib. 1. aduers Pelagium cap. 9. Ierome and to the c Concil Carthaginens can 46. Councell of Carthage at which were present two hundred fourteene Bishops But what do I mention these times it was vsed in the very dayes of the Apostles as is aparant by the testimonie of Hegesippus who as Saint d Hierom. de sriptorib Ecclesiast Ierome saith liued neere the Apostles time His testimony is this e Hegesip lib. 5. Comment when Iames who was sir-named Iustus went into the Temple he was f Linea non lánea veste in duebatur appareled with a linnen not with wollen vesture Againe they commit this fallacie when they say that God-fathers God-mothers were brought in by Higinus for they were in g Dyonis Areopag lib. 7. de Ecclesiast Hierarchia Dyonis Areopagita his time who liued in the time of the Apostles they haue continued in all pure times since as apeareth by sundry learned h Tertul. aduers Marcionē lib. 3. Idem de praescrip aduers hareticos at in lib. de resurrectione carnis Chrysost in Psal 14 ● Cyprian lib. 1. post 6. August epist ad Bonifacium et lib. de Rectitud Catholica conuersationis Isider de officij ecclesiast writers They do also commit this fallacie when they say that crossing in Baptisme is a piece of Poperie for it was vsed in the Church of God within the compasse of three hundred yeares after Christ which was long before the Mysterie of iniquitie bid begin to worke and hath beene vsed in the Church of God euer since For the justifying of what I haue said I referre you to the writings of i Tertull. de corona miletis et lib. 3. aduersus Marc. ●● Tertullian k Iustin Martyr ad Orthodox quast 1. 18. Iustine Martyr l Cyprian

and not marrying c. But not to insist in the enumeration of their Heresies can you shew that we haue reuiued any olde Heresies The Protestant I can shewe that there was scarce any Heresie inuented by olde Heretickes which eyther the Papistes or the Puritanes haue not reuiued and renewed with fresh and new colours And besides their opinions you haue also their trickes qualities and conditions The Puritane Insist I pray you in vs whom you call Puritanes can you prooue that wee haue ioyned with any olde Heretickes The Protestant Yes you haue ioyned with the Pharisies Apostolickes Aerians Pepuzians Petrobrusians Florinians Cerinthians Nazarens Beguardines Ebionites Catobabdites Enthusiasts Donnatists The puritan● To begin with the Pharisies wherein haue we ioyned with them The Protestant The Pharisies sewed Pillowes of selfe-liking vnder their own arme-holes tooke no knowledge of beames in their owne eyes but euermore excepted against their brethren as men not worthy the ground they trode vpon Why eateth your Maister saide they to Christs Disciples with Publicanes and Sinners The like exception to my knowledge did some of your faction lately take against a Minister that chanced to eate with one that was suspected to be a Papist Why eateth our Minister said they with one that is a Papist 2 The Pharisies seperated themselues from other people as more holy then they and therefore a Fosterus in dictinar hebraico some thinke that they be called Pharisies quasi segregati quod vita sanctimonia a vulgi moribus vita seperati essent non aliter ate que Monachi quo● Carthusianos vocant as seperated from the common sort in holinesse of life and conuersation much like vnto the Monkes which be called Carthusians And do not you come neere the Pharisies herein when you dispise al those that be not of your sect as polluted not worthy to be saluted as hath alreadie beene shewed 3 b Iosephus lib. Antiquit. Tom. 2. lib. 18. cap. 2. Iosephus obserueth this to be an other propertie of the Pharisies viz that whatsoeuer their owne reason perswaded them id sequuntur partinaciter that they stubbornly followed And the selfe same thing haue I obserued to be the propertie of stiffe and stubborn Puritanes in these dayes 4 The Pharisies were as the same c Tom 2 lib. 17 cap. 3. Iosephus witnesseth astutum hominum genus arrogans interdum quoque regibus insestum c. that is a subtile kinde of men arrogant and sometime deadly enemies to Kings and so are you For it is not vnknown to any that hath had any dealing with you in worldly affaires how craftie and subtile you are in all your dealing As for your arrogancie and contempt of superioritie this is not vnknowne to the Kinges Maiestie himselfe a See his Maiesties speech deliuered in the Vpper house of Parliament March 19. 〈◊〉 Puritanes saith his Highnesse are euer discentented with the present gouernment and impatient to suffer any superioritie which maketh their sect vnable to be suffered in any well gouernd common-wealth Thus you see that we haue iust cause to tearme you English Pharisies and to say with Nazianzen b Gregor Nazianzen eis to ret Pharisais is ou genos a●●atropos ergasetai not the nation but the conuersation maketh a Pharisie The Puritane But wherein I pray you doe we ioyne with the Apostolickes Aerians Petrobrusians and the rest of those old Heretickes before named The Protestant The Apostolickes neither considering the diuersitie of times for Ecclesiasticall pollicie nor the true libertie of Ch●istian Religion in things indifferent nor the authoritie of christian Magistrates concerning the same wold haue nothing to bee vsed in the Church in these dayes which was not vsed in the daies of the Apostles Now let it be imagined whether your Preachers doe not resemble them herein when they complaine as hath beene shewed that we haue Surplesses deuised by Pope Adryan c. which the Church of God in the Apostles time neuer knew and therefore they are not to be vsed Aerius of whom the Aerians tooke their name was condemned of Heresie both by c Epiphan haeres 75. Epiphanius and Saint d Aug. haeres 53. Austen for that he held that Fasts appointed by the Church were not to be kept and next for saying that a a presbyterum ab episcopo nulla differentia debere discerni Presbyter should not bee distinguished from a Bishop by any kinde of difference How then can you wipe away the blot of Heresie that reckon as hath beene shewed Saints Eues and Lent for Romish fasts Archbishops and Bishops for new Ministeries neuer ordained by God The Petrobrusians held that holy-dayes are Ethelothresceiai and that no man hath nor euer had since Moses authoritie to institute them in the olde testament nor in the new except the Apostles who instituted as they say the Sunday onely To this heresie of these Petrobrusians did our Admonitors fully subscribe for they condemned Admon 1. page 81. the obseruing of holy daies as a thing b contrary to the word of God and as a peece of the Popes portuise But to proceede There were certaine Hereticks called Beguardini who held that c Spriritualem humane obedient●ae non esse subjectum Clementin Lib. 5 tit 3. cap. 3. a spirituall man is not subiect to humaine obedience Now let it therefore be iudged with indifferencie whether you Puritanes haue not some touch of this Heresie who will not submit your neckes and soules to the yoake of humane obedience in things indifferent There were also other Hereticks called d Acephali ob quam c●●fam dicti suat quod sub Episcop●s non faerint Nicephor Lib. 18. cap 45. Acephali or e Episcopos soli Cat●bab●it●● non recip●unt Nicephor lib. 18. cap. 49. Catobabditae who would not suffer any Bishop to haue any iurisdictiō ouer them Now if these Catobabdites were for this very cause reputed Heretickes what shal we say of you Puritanes that doe tread in their steps what reason can you bring that this should be an Heresie in them and none in you where got you that exemption or if it be an Heresie in both alike why should you not be condemned for Heretickes both alike The Enthusiasts Pepuzians and other olde Heretickes depended on dreames visions and reuelations and so haue some of your Puritan preachers done as hath bin already proued The Ebionites Corinthians Nazarens and Florinians were reputed Heretickes because they tyed men ●o a strict obseruation of Mosaicall ceremonies Now this old Heresie was renewed by one of your faction in Oxefordshire who as an a D Houson in his Festiui ties of the church of England Oxeford Doctor testifieth when his fathers ribbes were broken would not ride for a bonesetter on the Sabaoth day The Iouinianistes were condemned for Heretickes because they held all sinnes to be equall Now this Heresie haue some of your faction beg●inne to reuiue For example sake and for