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A33770 Theophilus and Philodoxus, or, Several conferences between two friends the one a true son of the Church of England, the other faln off to the Church of Rome, concerning 1. praier in an unknown tongue, 2. the half communion, 3. the worshipping of images, 4. the invocation of saints / by Gilbert Coles. Coles, Gilbert, 1617-1676. 1674 (1674) Wing C5085; ESTC R27900 233,018 224

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stand_v amaze_v to_o find_v your_o learned_a cardinal_n cite_v
command_v as_o whatsoever_o we_o do_v either_o in_o word_n or_o deed_n to_o do_v all_o in_o the_o name_n of_o our_o lord_n jesus_n give_v thanks_o to_o god_n and_o the_o father_n by_o he_o theodoret_n comment_n be_v angelos_n be_v deo_fw-la &_o patri_fw-la gratiarum_fw-la actionem_fw-la emittite_n per_fw-la ipsum_fw-la non_fw-la per_fw-la angelos_n offer_v up_o to_o god_n your_o sacrifice_n of_o praise_n by_o he_o not_o by_o the_o angel_n again_o we_o find_v not_o one_o syllable_n either_o in_o theodoret_n or_o the_o council_n of_o laodicea_n concern_v simon_n magus_n or_o his_o heresy_n but_o only_o those_o christian_n which_o do_v worship_n and_o pray_v to_o angel_n to_o conclude_v this_o answer_n it_o be_v the_o miserable_a device_n of_o the_o school_n to_o shift_v off_o evident_a &_o unanswerable_a argument_n with_o obscure_a and_o srivolous_a distinction_n give_v no_o real_a satisfaction_n either_o to_o themselves_o or_o other_o so_o in_o the_o point_n of_o image_n worship_n 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juva_fw-fr paula_n vale_fw-la o_o paula_n &_o cultoris_fw-la tui_fw-la ultimam_fw-la senectutem_fw-la orationibus_fw-la juva_fw-fr farewell_n o_o paula_n and_o assist_v with_o thy_o prayer_n the_o extreme_a old_a age_n of_o thy_o worshipper_n theoph._n from_o other_o evident_a passage_n of_o that_o father_n we_o conclude_v this_o to_o be_v a_o rhetorical_a apostrophe_n and_o not_o the_o judgement_n &_o practice_n of_o s._n jerom_n to_o pray_v unto_o the_o saint_n depart_v for_o in_o his_o book_n against_o vigilantius_n he_o first_o assert_n that_o martyr_n be_v not_o to_o be_v worship_v adoravit_fw-la worship_v quis_fw-la aliquando_fw-la martyr_n adoravit_fw-la whoever_o worship_v they_o phil._n althou_n they_o be_v not_o worship_v as_o god_n yet_o we_o may_v pray_v unto_o they_o theoph._n prayer_n be_v a_o part_n of_o religious_a worship_n due_a to_o god_n if_o you_o mean_v only_o civil_a request_n such_o as_o one_o christian_n make_v to_o another_o to_o remember_v he_o in_o his_o 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of_o this_o holy_a father_n to_o prove_v the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n etc._n saint_n tract_n 84._o in_o joannem_fw-la non_fw-la sic_fw-la mart._n ad_fw-la mensam_fw-la commemoramus_fw-la etc._n etc._n we_o do_v not_o so_o commemorate_v martyr_n at_o the_o holy_a table_n as_o we_o do_v other_o who_o rest_n in_o peace_n so_o as_o to_o pray_v for_o they_o but_o rather_o that_o they_o may_v pray_v for_o we_o .._o and_o the_o second_o place_n be_v like_a unto_o it_o de_fw-fr verbis_fw-la apostolorum_fw-la serm._n 17._o commendari_fw-la 17._o injuria_fw-la est_fw-la pro_fw-la mart._n orare_fw-la cujus_fw-la nos_fw-la debemus_fw-la orat._n commendari_fw-la it_o be_v a_o injury_n to_o pray_v for_o a_o martyr_n unto_o who_o prayer_n we_o shall_v be_v commend_v theoph._n in_o these_o two_o parallel_a passage_n s_o t_o augustin_n show_v that_o the_o commemoration_n of_o the_o martyr_n at_o the_o altar_n in_o the_o time_n of_o divine_a service_n must_v not_o be_v construe_v a_o prayer_n for_o they_o for_o that_o will_v be_v a_o injury_n to_o they_o but_o rather_o a_o tacit_a recommendation_n of_o the_o congregation_n unto_o their_o prayer_n and_o intercession_n here_o be_v no_o invocation_n express_v but_o only_o a_o recommendation_n imply_v and_o so_o they_o be_v dubious_a and_o imperfect_a proof_n and_o in_o the_o first_o he_o speak_v only_o comparative_o that_o martyr_n shall_v rather_o pray_v for_o we_o than_o we_o for_o they_o and_o yet_o withal_o i_o must_v acquaint_v you_o that_o epiphanius_n a_o primitive_a bishop_n who_o do_v much_o oppose_v the_o grow_a superstition_n of_o worship_v saint_n and_o image_n both_o by_o his_o write_n and_o action_n etc._n action_n heresi_n 75._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n be_v express_o tell_v we_o we_o pray_v for_o martyr_n and_o for_o the_o whole_a order_n of_o bless_a saint_n etc._n etc._n that_o so_o we_o may_v distinguish_v the_o lord_n christ_n from_o all_o generation_n of_o men._n phil._n make_v what_o use_n of_o your_o observation_n you_o please_v i_o pass_v to_o the_o three_o testimony_n which_o bellarmin_n bring_v from_o s_o t_o etc._n t_o lib._n de_fw-fr cura_fw-la pro_fw-la mortuis_fw-la c._n 4._o nisi_fw-la ad_fw-la hoc_fw-la ut_fw-la dum_fw-la recolunt_fw-la ubi_fw-la sunt_fw-la etc._n etc._n augustin_n i_o do_v not_o see_v what_o advantage_n to_o the_o dead_a be_v the_o care_n of_o their_o friend_n to_o bury_v they_o near_o the_o tomb_n of_o some_o martyr_n unless_o herein_o that_o whilst_o they_o remember_v where_o the_o body_n of_o their_o friend_n do_v lie_v they_o may_v commend_v they_o unto_o those_o saint_n as_o patron_n to_o be_v assist_v by_o their_o prayer_n theoph._n notwithstanding_o this_o testimony_n we_o shall_v willing_o be_v try_v by_o this_o book_n concern_v s_n t_o augustins_n judgement_n in_o the_o point_n of_o pray_v to_o the_o saint_n and_o i_o will_v therefore_o give_v you_o a_o short_a account_n of_o the_o whole_a book_n in_o the_o beginning_n s_o t_o 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cruelty_n of_o tyrant_n that_o so_o christian_n who_o
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