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A42574 The primitive fathers no papists in answer to the Vindication of the Nubes testium : to which is added an historical discourse concerning invocation of saints, in answer to the challenge of F. Sabran the Jesuit, wherein is shewn that invocation of saints was so far from being the practice, that it was expresly [sic] against the doctrine of the primitive fathers. Gee, Edward, 1657-1730. 1688 (1688) Wing G459; ESTC R18594 102,715 146

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