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A13114 The epistle that Iohan Sturmius, a man of great lerninge and iugement, sent to the Cardynalles and prelates that were chosen and appointed by the Bysshop of Rome, to serche out the abuses of the churche. Translated into englysshe by Rychard Morysine.; Epistle that Johan Sturmius, a man of great lerninge and jugement, sent to the Cardynalles and prelates. Sturm, Johannes, 1507-1589.; Morison, Richard, Sir, d. 1556. 1538 (1538) STC 23407; ESTC S105095 25,896 98

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the difference that we put herein ye accuse vs and beare men in hande that we wolde haue no man better than other that we wolde no resorte of people shulde be to churches no knelynge no syngynge no sensyng shuld be in the tēples that we wold the vniuersall church were subuerted so that if your authoritie were ones taken away we myght do euery thynge at our pleasure withoute any reproche We be contente with all ceremonies that in any wyse be conformable and agreinge to oure religion Yea this also we permytte that what soo euer dothe not defyle our religion shoulde be lefte to the determination of a generall councill They be noo trifles that make vs to refuse your authoritie vsurped power and naughty censures Sadolete I wold haue you shewe what councils toke vppon theym to talke of this popish and priestly apparayle that you write of ¶ For holy days Sabbatiꝰ a Iew did his part he caused strife trouble and for the same matter there was variance betwene Policrates and Uictor But you knowe that Irineus greatly mysliked their discorde bycause that diuersitie either in holy dayes or fastyng days breaketh not the bonde of relygion ne of Christis feithe What dothe saynte Augustine in his letters to Ianuarie Doth he not euen the same that we require He requireth a meane in ceremonies Doth he not also lament that the burdeyn of ceremonies be more heuye vnto vs than euer were any to the Iewes What wolde he do nowe whan all thynge is done for the seruynge of mennes appetite for ambition and for desire of lucre ¶ Agaynste suche foolysshe trifles what I pray you saith Esaias what Ieremias what Amos the prophetes Esaias forsawe these ceremonyes and these yuell customes he sawe that vayne vanitie shulde folowe the destruction of the Iewes whiche he sheweth expresselye and yet we make as though we redde of no suche thynge ¶ Herein I se not what you canne laye agaynste vs more than the authoritie of the canons the church whose auctoritie we wold were safe and in ful strength But this muste alwais be one special point in the lawes of the church that prestes lyue wel and teache wel that they be presente abyde vpon theyr benefices that all they be deposed whiche haue goten any thynge in the churche by moneye Neyther he shoulde haue any benefice with cure whom the courte carieth from it or he that leaueth his flocke and foloweth an hauke prickynge to the partrige in stede of preachynge to his parysshe For as longe as these thynges are suffered vnpunished howe is it possible relygion to be kepte and ceremonies vnabused For let the leste parte be ones mysvsed and the reste can not long continue safe But you woll not touche the diseases that ye were set to seke fore nother ye woll suffre the partis soore greued to be healed Ye esteme more the smooke of the sensars bowynges and crouchynges more the apparaylle that men go in than ye do the knowlege of right religion or the feare of god or his honour where as in deede these thynges are of necessitie and the other for the soule helth nothing at all Neuer the lesse they maye in some case be suffered and are tollerable but these that I shal now reherse can nother be wynked at nother defended as not to aknowlege the abuse of the sacrament of the altare and the abuse of ceremonyes as that monkes and pristes haue libertye to lyue vnchaste and vnclenly and those that endeuour theym selfes to amende it to be troubled ye and iuged of you vnworthy to be in the company of good menne We ar careful and sory for this peruerse iugement we go not about to breke the ceremonies specially those that may stande with Christis relygion we promyse you to kepe them styll onely do you this for your parte see that those thniges be restored without the whiche neyther the dignitie of the churche nother the auctoritie of Christis name can continue ¶ Nowe here I wol come vnto an other poynte that moche letteth our agrement Ye complayne greately that we be ouer stubborne and rude and that we intende to destroy al iurisdiction and to take awaye all riches frome the churche This you say may not be suffred For it is an aunciente custome that noble men that come of great stockes be honorably promoted from whom so gret cōmodities can not be taken away without high displesure and great daunger If this be the worste we shall lyghtly be deliuered from gret grefe and trouble shortely be ioyned with you For seynge there be thre sortis of men in the church that rule one of them mete to teache an other mete to mainteyne the power and ryches of the churche the third whiche sometymes hathe bothe the thynges aforesayde and yet is mete for ner nother If you wyl be content to reiecte the laste sorte and suffer the other two to be seuered and diuided distinctly the one frome the other I trust all stryfe and grudge betwene vs shal be by those meanes quite abolyshed and cleane forgotten For you requyre in the minysters of the churche good lyfe and lernynge Let vs haue suche as be able bothe for theyr lernynge and for their liuing to gouerne the people put a difference betwene them and the other that haue in their gouernance the goodes of the worlde and of the cōmon weale do this we trust sone to haue an ende of all matters that we can nat now agree vpon or at the least wise a greatter moderation of our grudges stryfes There be som mē of gret blode whiche woll be ashamed of the gospel and there be some that faithfully woll kepe the goodes of the churche No man can make tyrantes beleue that it is more honour to be loued and honored of theyr subiectes than to be feared of theym But it were a shame for any christen mā to think that it were a higher dignite to haue great power and might thā to professe the gospell in suche wise as may stād best with godly liuing We ar moued by authorite of many great wise men to sette an order betwene these two sortes To let passe saint Augustin saint Ambrose and other perfect bishops did not Chrisostom before a multitude of an hūdred M. mē in a sermon greuously lament that bishops were taken frō the cure of their church and ocupied in money matters Thapostels also put a difference betwene the office of bishops and decons These two sortes had neuer bē sondred but y t they inspired by god did se before that at one time or other some wolde refuse to kepe these orders taken by them ¶ But peraduenture some mē wol say noble mē haue giuē gret riches to the church it is conueniēt y t theyr posteritie be sonest p̄ferred vnto the same First noble men ar not forbid neither to professe the gospel nother to haue the gouernance of money cites If there be
taken away grantynge vs also this that we did not dissente from you without great and iuste causes For yf ye wylle graunte it to be onely a ministration that the Bisshoppe of Rome is chargid with must you not agree to this also that all other magistrates in the churche be none other thyng but minysters of dyuine cures soo that yf their ministration be good and for the welth of the church and accordyng to the lawes they shulde continue styll if it be vnprofitable hurtful if it be ful agaynst y e lawes such their honor shuld be takē away from them lyke as it is cōmanded in many places of holy scripture ¶ Wherfore ye added this vnto the other very wel that lawes ought to contynue euer and that they might not be takē away either by any byshop of Romes priuilege wresting or indulgence For if this were laufull what shulde be lefte vntouched in any place what shuld be safe and sure if whan wyll wolde luste may dyspense with lawe We see whyle bishops of Rome now of late haue take vpon them such dispensations what windowes they opened for tiranny to crepe in at for religion to crepe out at Nowe where lawes be kepte this also shall remayne that they be made bishops and teachers of the people of god which ar knowen to be lerned to be of great innocencie of life to be of faithe and diligence in doing their duetie For if we wol haue the world amended we must haue the people good well instructed and taught they must be as a felde well tilled Man is welle tilled whan he hathe a good preacher in whom is great knowledge study and pure mynd without whiche prechers neither the people can be well taught nor the church flourishe neither the teachers owne auctoritie be estemed ¶ Agayne what a goodly thing is it that ye write of suche as commit simonie which are so many that if your sentence may haue place and they remoued as the law wil which by force of frēdship or money haue gotten promotions ye shall scrape out many blottes that nowe defyle religion ye shal also with your ease come to that that you seke that is that mete ministers be made in the church ministers laufully created which shuld haue both lerning and honest life always presēt with their flocke there doinge that that saynt Paule and generall councils wold a sheparde shoulde do to his flocke These be the thynges that make many of vs hope well of you and thinke that ye intend wel It is very new strange a thing scase hard of that mē of your order shuld iuge freely In thassemble made at Nuremberge Adrian than bishoppe of Rome dyd aknowlege many suche thinges as ye do now and all be it they wolde his auctoritie shulde be highest yet there were verye many of other astates that coulde not abide that he shulde aknowlege suche thinges to be true I praye you is not this euen to graunt byshops of Rome impunitie of all that they lust and yet whan they haue doone worst to make thē thinke it a shame bishops of Rome to say they haue done euyl Wherfore I must speke vnto you Contarene and you Sadolete and you Federike Salernitane and you also whiche ar chosen to do this thing I muste call vpon you that you applie this mattier thinke that at this time it is put in your handis to restore to the church both her helth and dignitie agayne If you diligently and faithfully do as it becommeth to you to doo you shall see a flourysshynge common welthe of Christe If contrary wise you do it negligentlye and thynke rather vpon your owne gaynes thā vppon the amendement of thinges amisse men herafter wol neuer seke redresse of matters at your handes But for as moche as I haue shewed you wherin your boke pleseth many nowe I woll alsoo telle you what many thynke wanteth in it And here I woll let certain thinges passe whiche seme very nedefull to be decyded yet seinge they are by noughty custome longe sythens receiued I wol not now moche touch them I can not see by what reason you can call the bishop of Rome vniuersall bysshop for as moche as saynt Gregorie a man vehement and very desyrous to amplifie that dignytie refused this name as a voyce of Antichriste Lyke reason moued thother .xx. bishops whiche were before Gregorie to refuse that name all be it the councill of Calcedonie gaue it them But let vs passe ouer this disputation and gyue for a season hym that nowe is so to be callyd we recke not so moche what he be callyd as that he do such thinges as become him that is that his power and all his studyes maye be conuerted to the setting forth of the glorie of Christ. Tyranny is moche ageynst the setlyng of thinges this title vniuersal bishop bringeth violēce with it violēce bringeth distruction of honesti Wherfore they that be of great wytte and honestie and can foresee thynges wolde this vsurped title thoccasion of all these hurtis were taken away as a thing verye pestilent This cause moued Pelagius and Gregorie to refuse this name all be it many good men beinge deceiued frankely offered it to them ¶ Many men are sorie that in this your deuise no mencion is made De doctrina religionis whiche moste specially ought to haue bene intreated of For to speake somewhat of this what people what citie what multitude of men in especiall throughe your dominions canne you fynde that is welle instructed in poyntes of religion God semeth neuer to be more alienate from vs than whan we be ignoraunte in his gospelle whyche ignoraunce hathe bene soo great that not only the rude people haue not knowen what is conteined in holye scripture but also this ignorance hath bene founde in bysshops and cardinals of your order In soo moche that we in oure tyme haue sene bysshoppes of Rome vtterly ignoraunt of holye scripture and all togither vntaughte in relygion For to let passe Innocentius octauus and manye other lyke I pray you Sadolete what lernynge or studie in holye Scripture was in Clement the .vii. whome you wonderfully prayse Can you make any man beleue that knewe hym that he had any knowledge in holye scripture naye that he euer thoughte theron to the ende he wolde eyther rede those thynges whervpon oure religion is grounded or here them declared to hym by anye other I thynke that neyther you nor any other of those whyche knewe the facion of his lyfe can remember that euer Clemente for his knowledge caused at any tyme a boke of scripture to be caried about with hym Thus whyle we cloke ignoraunce while we say menne haue that they haue not while we studye to please oft tymes we assente to their vyces gyue very euyll example by praisynge theym that deserue disprayse and oft times cause those that folow their vices to think that their fautes maye be borne bycause that by our lies