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A43256	The touch-stone of the reformed gospel wherein the principal heads and tenents of the Protestant doctrine (objected against Catholicks) are briefly refuted. By the express texts of the Protestants own Bible, set forth and approved by the Church of England. With the ancient fathers judgements thereon, in confirmation of the Catholick doctrine.	Heigham, John, fl. 1639.; Kellison, Matthew, attributed name.	1676 (1676)	Wing H1370E; ESTC R216621	50,365	158

on earth the whole Chapter from vers 12. unto the end doth clearly testifie Adde hereto that he saith not they shall confesse their sins to wit in general but their sin to wit in particular See more Mark 1.4 James 5.16 Mat. 18.18 Mat. 17.14 ¶ See the holy Fathers that affirm the same S. Iren. l. 1. cap. 9. Tertul. l. de poenitentia where he reprehend's some who for humane shamefastness neglected to go to confession It is written of S. Amb. that he himself sate to hear confessions Amb. ex Paulino S. Clement S. Peters successours speaks wonderfully pithily to this purpose ep ad fratr Dom. But of all others Origen is most plain for this point l. 3. Periar S. Chrys l. 3. de Sacerd. hom 85. in Joan. S. Aug. cited as before S. Amb. oret in muliere peccatrice saith Confesse freely to the Priest the hidden secrets of thy soul XVI That Pardons and Indulgences were not in the Apostles times COntrary to the expresse words of their own Bible 2. Cor. 2.10 To whom ye forgive any thing I forgive also for if I forgave any thing to whom I forgave it for your sake forgave I it in the person of Christ The Corinthian aforesaid was excommunicated and put to penance by the Apostle as plainly appeareth 1 Cor. 5.3 and here in 2 Cor. 2. cited above he giveth order for his pardon A plain proof of the Apostles power there of binding here of loosing there of punishing here of pardoning Therefore pardons were in use in the Apostles times 2 Cor. 2.6 Sufficient to such a man is this punishment or Censure which was inflicted of many Whence it is clear that it lieth in the hands of the spiritual Magistrates to measure the time of such punishment or penance imposed See more Matth. 18.18 and Matth. 16.19 ¶ As also the Fathers that affirm the same Tertul. lib. ad Mart. cap. 1.5 S. Syp. lib. 3. ep 15. and serm de lapsis Concil Lateran Can. 62. The degrees of Innocentius 3. and 4. de poenitent and remis cap. Quod autem S. Amb. l. 1. de poenit cap. 2. the place begins Dominus per jus S. Aug. ep 75. ad Auxil Episcop The place begins spiritualis poena S. Chrysost l. 3. de sacerdot The place begins Si rex aliquis Lastly Pope Vrban the 2. granted a plenary Indulgence to such as went unto the Holy War The Protestants hold XVII That the actions and passions of the Saints do serve for nothing to the Church COntrary to the express words of their own Bible Colos 1.24 I now rejoyce in my sufferings for you and fill up that which is behinde we read wanting of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his bodies s●ke which is the Church Hence hath ground been always taken of Indulgences but much more principally from the super abundant merit of Jesus Christ There the actions and passions of the Saints do serve for something to the Church Philip. 2.30 Because for the work of Christ he was nigh unto death not regarding his life to supply your lack of service towards me Contrary also to an Article of our Creed I beleeve the Communion of Saints For to what purpose believe we this If their actions and passions may not be imparted to us nor serve to any purpose to the Church See more Psal 119.63 we 118. 1 Cor. 12.12 2 Cor. 11.28 Psa 53. we 52. 9.2 Mac. 15.16 Mat. 17.3 Luke 9.30 31. Mat. 27.52 Apoc. 5.8 Gen. 26.5 and 48.16 Exod. 32.13 Job 5.1 Hier. 15.1 Isa 37.35 Mark 14.36 Luke 8.44 Act. 5.15 All these passages contain actions or prayers of the Church triumphant● for the militant or p●tient or for both I care not which they grant and yet one they must needs confesse ¶ See the Fathers that affirm the same S. August lib. de cura promort cap. 2. The place begins Etsi nusquam And again the same Saints in the same book S. Maximus ser de sanctis Octavio Adventio the place begins Cuncti Martyres S. Bede hist Eccles Angliae l. 3. cap. 19. S. Aug. in Pfa. 61. the place begins Vnus enim homo as also S. Anselm upon the same Psalm XVIII That no man can do works of supererrogation COntrary to the expresse words of their own Bible Mat. 19.21 If thou wilt be perfect go and sell that thou hast and give to the poor and thou shalt have treasure in heaven and come and follow me Hence it plainly appears that man by the assistance of Gods grace may do some things counselled which are of more perfection then the things commanded and these we call Works of Supererrogation 1 Cor. 7.25 Now concerning Virgins I have no Commandement of the Lord yet I give my judgement we reade Counsel as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful And verse 38. He that giveth her in marriage doth well but he that giveth her not in Marriage doth better To do that which is counselled is not necessary because one may neverthelesse be saved but he who omits what is commanded unlesse he do pennance cannot escape eternal pains Matt. 19.12 There be Eunuchs which have made themselves Eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven he that is able to receive it we reade take it let him receive it But this cannot properly be said of precepts as S. August noteth upon this place ser 61. de temp for of precepts it is not said keep them who is able but keep them absolutely See more Luke 10.25 1 Cor. 7.1 Rev. 3.3 Acts 2.44 Acts 4.34 ¶ And the holy Fathers affirm the same S. Ambr. l. de viduit Origan in which we do over and above our duty Euseb 1. Demonstrat cap. 8. S. Chrysost hom 8. de act poenit Blame not our Lord he commandeth nothing impossible yea many do no more then they are commanded S. Greg. Nicen. 1. Moral cap 5. XIX That by the fall of Adam we have all lost our Free-will and that it is not in our power to choose good but onely evil COntrary to the express words of their own Bible 1 Cor. 37. He that standeth stedfast in his heart having no necessity but hath power over his own will and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin doth well But if a man have not freedom of will as well to the one as to the other why doth the holy Ghost Prov. 23.26 require of us to give him our heart if we cannot consent but unto evil Therefore it is in our power to choose good or evil John 1.11 12. He came unto his own and his own received him not but as many as received him to them gave he power to become the sons of God words which plainly imply a liberty of will For when he saith some received him and some not who sees not the libetty both of the one and of the other for these would not receive him and those would Deut. 30.19 I call heaven and earth to

appeared unto many c. 2 Maccab. 15.12 Onias the High-Priest after he was dead appeared to Indas Macchabaeus alive The like did Samuel unto Saul What shall we say then to those that will deny a truth so clear For some such my self have met withall See more Luke 16.27 28. Ioan. 11.44 Luke 7.15 and 22. Matth. 9.25 Mark 5.42 ¶ See S. Bede l. 5. cap. 13. hist of England and S. Gregory in his book of Morals in sunory places XXXI That the Saints deceased know not what passeth here on earth COntrary to the expresse words of their own Bible Luke 16.29 Where Abraham knew that there were Moses and the Prophets Books here on earth which he himself had never seen when he was alive as S. Aug. witnesseth lib. de cura pro mortuis cap. 24. Therefore the Saints deceased know what passeth here on earth John 5.45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father there is one that accuseth you even Moses in whom ye trust But how could Moses dead two thousand years before accuse those that were then living if the Saints deceased know not what passeth here on earth Like unto this is that Revelat. 12.10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven c. The accuser of our brethren is cast down which accuseth them before our God day and night Now the devils cannot accuse men day night before God but they must first know whereof who then will for shame deny that to Saints and Angels which must needs be granted to the very devils 2 Kings 6.12 we 4. Kings O King Elisha the Prophet that is in Israel telleth the King of Israel the words that thou speakest in thy bedchamber Hence I thus argue if the light of Prophecy could extend it self so far as to make known see and understand things so secret yea even to inward thoughts who can with reason deny that the light of glory can do the same in the souls of the blessed The like is proved out of many other places of Holy Scripture as 2 Reg. 5.26 where the Prophet Elizeus being afar off saw all that passed betwixt Naaman and Giesi his servant Saint Paul was wrapt into the third Heaven and saw that which was not to be told to man 1 Cor. 12. S. Stephen saw from earth Christ sitting at the right hand of his Father Acts 7. The rich-glutton saw from hell to heaven as Protestants confesse how then say they that the Saints cannot know or see from heaven to earth And without some reciprocal knowledge there could be no communion at all between the Saints in Heaven and the saithful on earth the which is an article of our Creed which notwithstanding the continual passage of souls thither doth convince See more Matth. 19.38 Revel 2.26 Luke 22.30 Acts 5.3 1 Kings 28.14 Eccles 4.6.23 ¶ See Eusebius serm de Annunt S. Hier. in epitaph Paul S. Maximus sorm de S. Agnete XXXII That the Saints pray not for us COntrary to the expresse words of their own Bible Revel 5.8 The four and twenty Elders fell down before the Lamb having every one of them harps and golden vials full of odours which are the prayers of Saints Lo how among so many divine and unsearchable mysteries set down in holy Writ without exposition it pleased God that the Apostle himself shold clearly open this point unto us saying which odours are the prayers of Saints that so our adversaries may have no excuse of their errour Therefore the Saints pray for us 2 Machab. 15.14 Then Onias answered saying This is a lover of the brethren who prayeth much for the people and for the holy City to wir Jeremiah the Prophet of God Ancient Origen hom 18. in Joan. saith it appeareth that Saints departed from this life have care of the people as it is written in the Acts of the Macchabees many years after the death of Jeremy Jeremiah 15.1 Though Moses and Samuel stood before me yet my minde could not be towards this people Hence S. Hierom. in his Commentaries and S. Greg. lib. 9. of his Morals cap. 12. do gather that Moses and Samuel after their death both could and did sometimes pray for the same people for otherwise it should be absurd to say Though Moses and Samuel stood before me c. Baruch 3 4. O Lord almighty thou God of Israel hear now the prayers of the dead Israelites we read of the dead of Israel And Theodoret paraphrasing upon the Prophet Baruch interpreteth this place as Catholicks do Therefore the dead of Israel prayed for the living Revel 2.26.27 And he that overcometh and keepeth my works unto the end to him will I give power over the nations and he shall rule them with a rod of Iron Since Jesus Christ therefore imparteth his power unto them upon nations therefore they may with Jesus Christ pray for those over whom they are thus established So S. Augustine expoundeth the same writing upon the 2. Psal We read also in the 16. of S. Luke that the rich Glutton in hell prayed for his brethren that were on earth If therefore the Saints in Heaven pray not for us their brethren on earth then we may say that greater is the charity of the damned then of the saved But this were too absurd to say A conclusion which S. Aug. draweth from this very place ¶ See S. Aug. ser 15. de verbis Apost S. Hilar. in Psalm 129. S. Damascen lib. 4. de fide cap. 16. With many others XXXIII That we ought not to beseech God to grant our prayers in favour of the Saints or their merits nor do we receive any benefit thereby TWo wayes there are of praying by the mediation of the blessed Saints The one by beseeching God to grant our desires in favour of them and their merits The other by expresly praying them to intercede and pray to God for us Both being impugned by our Reformers we will prove them out of their own Bible The proof of the first is contrary to the expresse words of their own text Exod. 22.13 Remember Abraham Isaac and Israel thy servants to whom thou swarest by thine own self and saidst unto them I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven c. And our Lord repented we read was pacified of the evil which he thought to do unto his people See how plainly Moses prayed to God by the mediation of the holy Patriarchs A form of prayer so pleasing to him as having said a little before that for their sin of Idolatry he would consume them the memory of his holy Servants being but laid before him he presently pardoned them Therefore we may beseech God to grant us our prayers in favour of them Theod. quaest 67. in Exod. writeth that Moses not thinking himself sufficient to appease God by himself added the intercession of the holy Patriarchs And the like doth S. Aug. quaest 149. in Exod. 2 Chron. 6.16 Now therefore O Lord God of Israel keep