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the_o saint_n and_o though_o he_o exhort_v they_o to_o liberality_n and_o bounty_n yet_o so_o far_o be_v he_o from_o prescribe_v any_o certain_a quantity_n that_o he_o leave_v all_o to_o this_o absolute_a liberty_n every_o man_n according_a as_o he_o purpose_v in_o his_o heart_n so_o let_v he_o give_v vers._n 7._o and_o in_o the_o 9th_o vers._n allude_v to_o the_o word_n of_o the_o psalmist_n he_o plain_o show_v this_o charitable_a contribution_n be_v for_o the_o relief_n of_o the_o poor_a he_o have_v disperse_v abroad_o he_o have_v give_v to_o the_o poor_a etc._n etc._n and_o that_o these_o contribution_n be_v for_o the_o poor_a he_o speak_v express_o rom._n 15._o 25_o 26._o but_o now_o i_o go_v unto_o jerusalem_n to_o minister_v unto_o the_o saint_n for_o it_o have_v please_v they_o of_o macedonia_n and_o
a_o great_a matter_n for_o he_o to_o have_v reap_v their_o carnal_a thing_n but_o he_o ground_n the_o reasonableness_n and_o equity_n of_o his_o right_n to_o their_o carnal_a thing_n upon_o the_o labour_n he_o have_v bestow_v on_o they_o and_o benefit_n they_o have_v receive_v by_o he_o in_o spiritual_a thing_n and_o in_o his_o other_o epistle_n to_o the_o galatian_n he_o plain_o show_v that_o as_o he_o that_o teach_v be_v to_o be_v communicate_v to_o so_o the_o communication_n be_v to_o be_v from_o he_o that_o be_v teach_v and_o as_o this_o be_v the_o doctrine_n such_o also_o be_v the_o practice_n of_o the_o apostle_n he_o be_v not_o forward_o to_o pick_v up_o a_o maintenance_n from_o every_o one_o that_o profess_v christianity_n as_o appear_v in_o the_o case_n of_o lydia_n who_o be_v fain_o to_o use_v more_o forcible_a argument_n than_o her_o bare_a profession_n of_o christianity_n but_o to_o get_v he_o to_o her_o house_n beseech_v he_o and_o those_o that_o be_v with_o he_o if_o they_o judge_v her_o faithful_a to_o the_o lord_n to_o come_v into_o her_o house_n and_o abide_v there_o act_v 16._o 15._o neither_o be_v the_o disciple_n when_o they_o be_v send_v forth_o to_o preach_v permit_v by_o their_o master_n to_o receive_v so_o much_o aâ—_n food_n from_o any_o but_o those_o that_o receive_v their_o message_n luk._n 10._o 8_o 10_o 11._o so_o that_o all_o along_o the_o new_a testament_n wheresoever_o there_o be_v mention_n of_o minister_n maintenance_n it_o be_v with_o relation_n to_o they_o that_o own_o the_o ministry_n but_o this_o the_o priest_n do_v by_o no_o mean_n like_a well_o know_v the_o loss_n that_o he_o and_o his_o brethren_n will_v sustain_v if_o none_o shall_v be_v bind_v to_o maintain_v they_o but_o such_o as_o own_o their_o ministry_n and_o therefore_o he_o use_v all_o his_o endeavour_v to_o avoid_v the_o force_n of_o this_o argument_n he_o will_v put_v it_o by_o first_o by_o urge_v pag._n 56._o that_o according_a to_o the_o quaker_n principle_n 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of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n yea_o some_o of_o the_o cardinal_n have_v do_v the_o like_a as_o perkins_n show_v â—rob_fw-la pag._n 48._o and_o if_o it_o be_v true_a that_o he_o himself_o say_v pag._n 123._o that_o the_o put_v the_o apocrypha_fw-la into_o the_o canon_n of_o scripture_n be_v never_o decree_v till_o the_o council_n of_o trenâ—_n about_o a_o hundred_o and_o ten_o year_n ago_o then_o before_o that_o time_n the_o church_n of_o rome_n itself_o have_v not_o the_o apocrypha_fw-la in_o the_o canon_n of_o scripture_n any_o more_o than_o the_o saxon_n have_v and_o yet_o i_o think_v he_o will_v not_o say_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v not_o popish_a oâ—_n idolatrous_a before_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n in_o the_o close_a of_o this_o section_n he_o say_v final_o if_o t._n e._n have_v either_o shame_n or_o grace_n let_v he_o repent_v of_o this_o foul_a slander_n which_o he_o have_v as_o false_o as_o malicious_o cast_v upon_o our_o forefather_n the_o pious_a saxon_n but_o if_o 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by_o the_o former_a priest_n i_o have_v answer_v in_o my_o former_a book_n and_o therein_o show_v by_o plain_a demonstration_n the_o emptiness_n of_o that_o argument_n which_o because_o this_o priest_n have_v but_o superficial_o touch_v and_o not_o endeavour_v by_o any_o find_a reason_n to_o refute_v i_o think_v meet_v to_o transcribe_v hither_o that_o these_o be_v godly_a man_n and_o worthy_a martyr_n i_o grant_v yet_o will_v not_o their_o receive_a tithe_n make_v they_o either_o lawful_a or_o less_o popish_a in_o the_o institution_n the_o lot_n of_o those_o good_a man_n fall_v in_o the_o very_a spring_n and_o dawn_v as_o it_o be_v of_o the_o day_n of_o reformation_n and_o it_o be_v their_o happiness_n and_o honour_n that_o they_o be_v faithful_a even_o to_o the_o death_n to_o those_o discovery_n of_o truth_n which_o they_o receive_v but_o all_o truth_n be_v not_o discover_v at_o once_o nor_o all_o untruth_n neither_o but_o it_o be_v a_o day_n of_o the_o infancy_n of_o reformation_n it_o please_v god_n in_o his_o infinite_a wisdom_n and_o tenderness_n to_o rend_v the_o veil_n as_o it_o be_v by_o little_a and_o little_a and_o so_o discover_v thing_n gradual_o unto_o they_o that_o they_o may_v go_v cheerful_o on_o in_o their_o testimony_n and_o not_o come_v under_o thoâ—â—_n discouragement_n which_o the_o sight_n of_o so_o many_o difficulty_n at_o once_o may_v not_o improbable_o have_v bring_v upon_o they_o nor_o will_v this_o seem_v strange_a to_o any_o who_o shall_v serious_o consider_v that_o many_o of_o the_o bless_a martyr_n who_o seal_v their_o testimony_n with_o their_o blood_n and_o enter_v cheerful_o the_o fiery_a chariot_n have_v not_o so_o full_a and_o clear_a a_o sight_n of_o all_o the_o superstition_n and_o abomination_n which_o in_o the_o dark_a night_n of_o ignorance_n have_v creep_v into_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n as_o it_o have_v please_v god_n since_o to_o give_v yet_o they_o be_v faithful_a to_o the_o lord_n in_o what_o they_o do_v see_v be_v accept_v by_o he_o and_o through_o death_n receive_v a_o crown_n of_o life_n neither_o be_v it_o a_o fair_a way_n of_o reason_v because_o some_o who_o live_v but_o at_o the_o daybreak_n as_o it_o be_v of_o reformation_n do_v not_o at_o that_o early_a hour_n discover_v the_o whole_a mystery_n of_o iniquity_n although_o they_o do_v a_o great_a part_n or_o bear_v testimony_n against_o every_o particular_a evil_n in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n although_o they_o do_v against_o a_o great_a many_o thence_o to_o argue_v that_o the_o mystery_n of_o iniquity_n extend_v no_o further_a than_o be_v discover_v unto_o they_o or_o that_o there_o be_v no_o other_o evil_a in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n but_o what_o they_o testify_v against_o especial_o since_o we_o find_v divers_a thing_n which_o they_o take_v little_a or_o no_o notice_n of_o plain_o condemn_v and_o zealous_o witness_v against_o by_o other_o who_o be_v acknowledge_v to_o have_v be_v in_o their_o respective_a time_n confessor_n of_o and_o true_a witness_n for_o god_n against_o the_o corruption_n and_o superstition_n of_o the_o romish_a church_n as_o well_o as_o they_o so_o that_o what_o my_o opponent_n say_v in_o another_o case_n pag_n 114._o you_o must_v not_o interpret_v one_o scripture_n to_o overthrow_v other_o plain_a scripture_n the_o same_o say_v i_o in_o this_o he_o ought_v not_o to_o instance_n these_o menâ—_n receive_v tithe_n to_o overthrow_n or_o contradict_v the_o plain_a testimony_n of_o other_o faithful_a servant_n of_o god_n who_o deny_v they_o but_o rather_o as_o in_o the_o begin_n of_o christianity_n the_o apostle_n do_v not_o all_o alike_o oppose_v the_o ceremony_n of_o the_o law_n 26._o but_o circumcision_n and_o other_o rite_n be_v bear_v with_o and_o for_o some_o time_n use_v by_o some_o of_o they_o which_o in_o process_n of_o time_n be_v utter_o reject_v and_o deny_v by_o all_o which_o yet_o neither_o aught_o to_o have_v be_v nor_o be_v make_v use_n of_o by_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o apostle_n or_o church_n as_o a_o argument_n for_o the_o lawfulness_n and_o continuation_n of_o circumcision_n or_o any_o other_o of_o the_o jewish_a riteâ—_n so_o in_o the_o testimony_n of_o those_o holy_a martyr_n and_o confessor_n of_o jesus_n what_o be_v deny_v by_o some_o and_o witness_v against_o as_o popish_a superstitious_a and_o wicked_a ought_v not_o to_o be_v receive_v and_o defend_v now_o as_o not_o popish_a or_o superstitious_a at_o least_o by_o such_o as_o pretend_v to_o reverence_v their_o testimony_n because_o the_o same_o thing_n be_v not_o deny_v by_o all_o for_o god_n be_v not_o limitable_a to_o number_n of_o witness_n but_o he_o raise_v up_o one_o to_o bear_v testimony_n against_o one_o corruption_n another_o against_o another_o superstition_n some_o storm_v one_o part_n of_o babylon_n some_o another_o but_o do_v not_o make_v their_o battery_n all_o in_o one_o place_n now_o that_o tithe_n be_v deny_v by_o mâ—â—y_n of_o those_o godly_a man_n fox_n martyrology_n assure_v we_o in_o the_o instance_n of_o thorp_n swinderby_n brute_n wickliff_n etc._n etc._n some_o of_o who_o complain_v of_o the_o abuse_n of_o tithe_n in_o that_o they_o be_v then_o fix_v and_o settle_v as_o a_o payment_n whenas_o but_o a_o little_a before_o they_o be_v a_o voluntary_a free_a gift_n disposable_a at_o the_o will_n and_o pleasure_n of_o the_o giver_n other_o utter_o deny_v and_o reject_v they_o as_o no_o way_n lawful_a at_o all_o nay_o thorp_n say_v expreâ—â—y_a that_o those_o priest_n that_o do_v take_v tithe_n deny_v christ_n to_o be_v come_v in_o the_o flesh_n urge_v it_o as_o the_o opinion_n of_o one_o of_o the_o doctor_n and_o as_o he_o think_v of_o jerome_n and_o brâ—te_o say_v not_o only_o that_o no_o man_n be_v bind_v to_o pay_v tithe_n in_o gospel-timeâ—_a but_o that_o it_o be_v manifest_a and_o plain_a that_o neither_o by_o the_o law_n of_o moses_n nor_o by_o christ_n law_n christian_a people_n be_v bind_v to_o pay_v tithe_n but_o by_o the_o tradition_n of_o man_n hence_o what_o opinion_n these_o good_a man_n have_v of_o tithe_n the_o reader_n may_v judge_v but_o for_o any_o now_o to_o urge_v in_o defence_n and_o justification_n of_o tithe_n that_o cranmer_n hooper_n ridley_n and_o other_o godly_a martyr_n receive_v they_o what_o else_o be_v this_o but_o to_o oppose_v the_o martyr_n one_o to_o another_o and_o render_v they_o as_o clash_v and_o war_a among_o themselves_o yea_o and_o to_o endeavour_v by_o the_o practice_n of_o some_o to_o invalidate_v and_o make_v the_o testimony_n of_o other_o utter_o void_a and_o of_o no_o force_n which_o i_o be_o sure_a do_v ill_o become_v any_o protestant_n to_o do_v and_o indeed_o i_o think_v none_o that_o be_v true_o such_o will_v ever_o have_v attempt_v it_o this_o be_v my_o answer_n to_o the_o former_a priest_n which_o this_o latter_a priest_n have_v not_o by_o any_o solid_a argument_n attempt_v to_o reâ—ute_n but_o catch_v here_o and_o there_o at_o a_o word_n he_o quibble_n on_o it_o to_o show_v his_o wit_n and_o levity_n and_o beside_o that_o do_v little_a else_o but_o revile_v i_o and_o vilify_v they_o who_o testimony_n i_o use_v against_o tithe_n first_o he_o caâ—â—s_n at_o those_o word_n all_o truth_n be_v not_o discover_v at_o once_o nor_o all_o untruth_n neither_o upon_o this_o he_o say_v pag._n 136._o it_o be_v strange_a the_o quaker_n shall_v say_v so_o who_o before_o declare_v himself_o to_o be_v for_o unmediate_a teach_n and_o who_o pag._n 229._o assirm_v the_o very_a babe_n in_o christ_n know_v all_o thing_n in_o the_o first_o part_n of_o this_o quirk_n he_o only_o play_v upon_o the_o word_n immediate_a which_o be_v oppose_v to_o mediate_v teach_v as_o mediate_v signify_v mean_n and_o help_n be_v understand_v of_o the_o inward_a â—â—aching_n or_o speak_v of_o the_o holy_a spirit_n in_o the_o heart_n of_o man_n without_o the_o help_n or_o use_v of_o outward_a mean_n and_o so_o be_v call_v immediate_a in_o respect_n of_o manner_n not_o in_o respect_n of_o time_n but_o he_o that_o he_o may_v seem_v to_o say_v something_o apply_v the_o word_n immediate_a to_o time_n make_v immediate_a teach_v to_o sound_n not_o a_o teach_n without_o mean_n and_o outward_a help_n but_o a_o teach_n in_o a_o instant_n or_o on_o a_o sudden_a but_o if_o he_o please_v to_o be_v less_o disingenuous_a and_o remove_v his_o own_o mistake_n he_o will_v find_v no_o incongruity_n in_o my_o word_n in_o the_o other_o part_n he_o do_v not_o so_o much_o carp_n at_o i_o as_o cavil_v at_o the_o apostle_n john_n who_o the_o word_n be_v 1_o joh._n 2._o 18_o 20._o but_o if_o in_o the_o foregoing_a passage_n he_o deal_v not_o fair_o with_o i_o in_o the_o follow_v he_o deal_v most_o foul_o for_o he_o affirm_v that_o i_o say_v pag._n 230._o if_o the_o saint_n have_v not_o the_o spirit_n in_o they_o so_o as_o
to_o teach_v they_o all_o thing_n they_o have_v not_o the_o spirit_n at_o all_o these_o be_v not_o my_o word_n as_o he_o that_o will_v consult_v the_o place_n may_v see_v but_o a_o inference_n of_o his_o own_o make_v on_o purpose_n to_o abu_v i_o and_o the_o other_o priest_n in_o his_o vindication_n pag._n 284._o though_o he_o nibble_v at_o the_o same_o passage_n yet_o neither_o do_v he_o quote_v it_o as_o this_o priest_n do_v nor_o charge_v i_o with_o affirm_v that_o if_o the_o saint_n have_v not_o the_o spirit_n in_o they_o so_o as_o to_o teach_v they_o all_o thing_n they_o have_v not_o the_o spirit_n at_o all_o but_o say_v the_o quaker_n seem_v to_o fancy_n that_o if_o the_o spirit_n be_v not_o with_o believer_n in_o this_o immediate_a manner_n his_o be_v not_o with_o they_o at_o all_o observe_v now_o reader_n how_o i_o be_o deal_v with_o between_o these_o two_o priest_n one_o of_o they_o say_v positive_o that_o i_o affirm_v the_o other_o say_v the_o quaker_n seem_v to_o fancy_v the_o one_o say_v i_o affirm_v if_o the_o saint_n have_v not_o the_o spirit_n in_o they_o so_o as_o to_o teach_v they_o all_o thing_n they_o have_v not_o the_o spirit_n at_o all_o the_o other_o say_v the_o quaker_n seem_v to_o fancy_n that_o if_o the_o spirit_n â—e_v not_o with_o believer_n in_o this_o immediate_a manner_n he_o be_v not_o with_o they_o at_o all_o and_o yet_o these_o priest_n both_o one_o and_o tother_o pretend_v to_o repeat_v the_o selfsame_a sentence_n out_o of_o my_o book_n and_o that_o in_o my_o own_o word_n be_v this_o faiâ—_n deal_v yet_o upon_o this_o and_o his_o former_a mistake_n of_o immediate_a teach_n he_o say_v pag._n 137._o all_o that_o t._n e._n allow_v for_o saint_n get_v their_o knowledge_n in_o a_o instant_a as_o the_o apostle_n do_v this_o also_o i_o reject_v for_o a_o slander_n nor_o do_v i_o believe_v that_o the_o apostle_n get_v their_o knowledge_n as_o he_o say_v in_o a_o instant_n but_o that_o they_o grow_v in_o grace_n by_o the_o grace_n in_o the_o knowledge_n of_o our_o lord_n and_o saviour_n jesus_n christ_n as_o the_o apostle_n peter_n exhort_v the_o saint_n 2_o pet._n 4._o 18._o and_o as_o paul_n do_v the_o colossian_n chap._n 1._o ver_fw-la 10._o but_o from_o these_o false_a premise_n he_o draw_v this_o lame_a conclusion_n either_o therefore_o he_o must_v deny_v these_o holy_a man_n be_v teach_v immediate_o and_o then_o by_o his_o rule_n they_o can_v have_v no_o knowledge_n in_o divine_a thing_n or_o else_o he_o must_v confess_v truth_n be_v not_o reveal_v to_o they_o by_o degree_n but_o there_o be_v no_o necessity_n for_o this_o for_o i_o will_v suppose_v those_o holy_a man_n be_v teach_v immediate_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o manner_n of_o teach_v not_o in_o respect_n of_o time_n they_o may_v be_v teach_v by_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n in_o their_o own_o heart_n without_o the_o help_n of_o outward_a mean_n and_o yet_o those_o truth_n which_o they_o be_v thus_o teach_v may_v be_v reveal_v to_o they_o by_o degree_n the_o wind_n that_o blow_v where_o it_o lift_v blow_v also_o when_o it_o lift_v and_o â—e_v that_o turn_v the_o key_n of_o david_n open_v and_o shut_v at_o his_o own_o pleasure_n upon_o my_o say_n those_o good_a man_n &_o godly_a martyr_n live_v at_o the_o very_a dawn_n of_o the_o day_n of_o reformation_n he_o thus_o sport_n himself_o very_o pleasant_a say_v he_o let_v 〈◊〉_d then_o ask_v the_o quaker_n what_o hour_n of_o the_o morning_n it_o be_v when_o his_o other_o martyr_n as_o he_o false_o call_v they_o thorp_n swinderby_n brute_n and_o wickliff_n live_v if_o it_o be_v but_o daybreak_n in_o cranmer_n time_n it_o be_v dark_a as_o midnight_n in_o wickliffe_n if_o cranmer_n and_o bradford_n have_v but_o little_a light_n wickliff_n and_o thorp_n have_v none_o at_o all_o and_o therefore_o unless_o they_o have_v cat_n eye_n they_o can_v not_o see_v then_o pag._n 138._o sure_o his_o flout_a humour_n be_v up_o when_o he_o write_v this_o and_o he_o be_v resolve_v to_o indulge_v his_o genius_n who_o soever_o he_o spatter_a but_o let_v his_o unhandsome_a expression_n pass_v which_o be_v obvious_a enough_o to_o every_o reader_n that_o have_v not_o cat_n eye_n i_o reply_v to_o his_o question_n that_o what_o ever_o hour_n thorp_n swinderby_n brute_n and_o wicâ—liâ—â—e_n live_v in_o or_o how_o dark_a soever_o it_o than_o be_v they_o have_v light_a enough_o give_v they_o to_o discover_v that_o tithe_n be_v but_o a_o human_a institution_n &_o ought_v not_o to_o be_v pay_v and_o though_o they_o live_v before_o cranmer_n in_o time_n of_o great_a darkness_n and_o not_o see_v so_o many_o of_o the_o corruption_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n as_o cranmer_n and_o his_o associate_n do_v yet_o they_o see_v some_o and_o what_o they_o do_v see_v be_v as_o real_o a_o corruption_n and_o their_o testimony_n against_o it_o ought_v as_o â—ell_v to_o be_v receive_v as_o the_o testimony_n of_o those_o other_o martyrâ—_n against_o other_o corruption_n afterward_o nor_o ought_v those_o early_a testimony_n to_o be_v weaken_v much_o â—ess_n reject_v by_o the_o example_n or_o practice_n of_o late_a martyr_n since_o both_o the_o former_a and_o late_a be_v by_o the_o same_o historian_n record_v to_o be_v good_a and_o godly_a man_n stout_a champion_n and_o valiant_a soldier_n for_o the_o truth_n of_o jesus_n christ_n all_o bear_a testimony_n against_o the_o corruption_n and_o superstition_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n though_o not_o all_o against_o the_o selfsame_a particular_a corruption_n for_o wickliff_n inveigh_v against_o the_o pride_n pomp_n luxury_n and_o temporal_a possession_n of_o the_o clergy_n brute_n deny_v all_o swear_v and_o thorp_n deny_v to_o swear_v upon_o the_o bible_n the_o evil_a of_o which_o be_v not_o see_v by_o many_o of_o the_o martyr_n that_o come_v after_o and_o even_o among_o those_o of_o great_a note_n and_o eminency_n in_o point_n of_o learning_n who_o be_v not_o only_a contemporary_n but_o co-sufferer_n as_o i_o may_v say_v with_o 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