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A69038 The theatre of Catolique and Protestant religion diuided into twelue bookes. Wherein the zealous Catholike may plainelie see, the manifest truth, perspicuitie, euident foundations and demonstrations of the Catholique religion; together with the motiues and causes, why he should perseuer therin. ... Written by I.C. student in diuinitie. I. C., student in divinity.; Copinger, John, b. 1571 or 2, attributed name.; Colleton, John, 1548-1635, attributed name. 1620 (1620) STC 4284; ESTC S115632 314,600 666

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which hast ordayned and constituted the seruices of all Angells and men in a wonderfull order mercifully grant that they which alway do thee seruice in heauen may by thy appointment succour and defend vs in earth through Iesus Christ our Lord. Mat. 18. c. 10. Did not Christ bid vs that we should not despise any of these little ones for I say vnto you that their Angells in heauen alwaies do see the face of my father which is in heauen Two manner of wayes S. Thomas sayes wee offer our prayers to any D. Thom. 1. 2. q. 83. ad 4. primo vt sit per eum petitio implenda secundo vt per ipsum impetranda first that our desire by our prayers may be by him accomplished secondarily that our desire may be obtayned by him In the first manner wee offer our prayers vnto God onlie because that all our prayers and desires ought to ayme att godes graces and glorie which none can giue but God alone In the second manner wee offer our prayers vnto the holie Angells and Saincts that by their intercession God almightie may be moued to take commiseration on vs as it is alleadged by S. Iohn saying Apoc. 8. And there ascended the smoake of the incenses of the prayers of the Saincts before God This also is proued by so many apparitions of Saincts made vnto the liuing ymploring their helpe and protection as are registred by the holy doctors S. Euthimius did appeare vnto Phillipp Deacon being cast away in the mediterranean Sea Caesar Baron An. 477. apud and hauinge prayed vnto that holy S. f●rayde he tooke him by the hand and brought him safe to the shoare S. Bernabas did appeare vnto Anthemias Bishopp of Salamina thrice Caesar Baron An. 485. Ibid. 604. beinge sore vexed by the Heretiques that were then rising vp S. Peter did appeare vnto the widdowe Galla confortinge her that her sinnes were forgiuen her So the blessed Virgin Marie appeared vnto Seueriana about her death with many other apparitions which we both read and heare daylie c. but I cannot omitt that which S. Gregory of Niss relateth in the life of S. Gregory Thaumaturgus how that the blessed Virgin Mary together with S. Iohn the Euangelist appeared vnto the said S. Gregory Tha. and did instruct him in the mistery of the blessed Trinity Lib. de Anglia martyrum cap. 9. S. Gregory of Tours declareth that the blessed Virgin appeared vnto the master carpenter that was set to woorck by Constantine the great to buyld a church in her honour which was so huge as it was hard to be builded but shee instructed him the manner how to bring the same to perfection The like apparitions of other saincts do wittnesse S. Basil in oratione de Sancto Mamante S. Greg. Naz. in orat in Iulian. S. Sulpitius in vita S. Martini Theodoretus lib. 5. hist. cap. 24. Paulinus natal sancti Felicis S. Aug. lib. de cura pro mortuis habenda cap. 16. Whether Papistes doe err in worshippinge and adorninge the reliques of Saincts whether they sell their Masse and prayers for temporall gaine CHAPTER V. 1. I Answere that the holy reliques of of Christ or his Saincts are not vsed for temporall gaines but for the spirituall consolation of the faithfull which by those blessed reliques haue receaued great comforts and blessinges as you may read that the Iron chaines the Napkins yea the verie shadowe of the holy people and Apostles did releeue many Act. 12. Act. 5. Mat. 5. and reuiued some And if the deuout Christians doe offer any thinge at the Alter where those blessed reliques are kept the same beinge praetium peccatorum the price of their sinnes and the releefe of the poore they were not principally instituted for that purpose 2. Lib. de Sacramēt tit 12. This verie obiection against the Catholique Church was first inuented by Iohn Witcleffe in England in king Richard 2. his time as that most learned man Thomas Waldensis then prouinciall of the order of the Charmilitts writeth his answere may serue aswell for you as it did for Witcliffe which you shall read in the 2. booke As for the Adoration or woorshippinge of Relicks or Images wee must consider that this adoration doth signifie honor and reuerence which is comonly vsed both vnto God and to his creatures Hieron li. contra as S. Hierom saith Veni Bethlem praesepe Domini incu●abile adoraui I adored the Cribb and Craddle of our Lord when I came to Bethlem Abraham adored the Angell that appeared vnto him Genes 8. Exod. 3. Num. 22. so did alsoe Moyses Iosue Nabuchodonoser adored Daniell S. Hierom alleadgeth the fact of Alexander the great in kneelling at the feete of Ioyda the high priest of the Iewes 3. So Iacob dyinge did blesse his children and adored the topp of his rodd Adore yee his footstoole Psal 98. Apoc. 3. Which rodd did signifie the holy Crosse In the Apocalips it is also said I will make them come before thy feete Psal 5.6 3 Reg 8. Iohn 7. Hier contra Vigi 2 syno Nyceni Aug. de ciuit c. 8. which is mente of the Bishopp or Angell of Philadelphia Againe the Temple the Arcke the Tabernacle the Propitiatorie the Cherubins the Alter the bread of proposition was adored and because Vigilantius gaue not vnto the Saincts and Images their due reuerence he was condemned as an heretick of the Church of God 1. Reg. 20. 4. It was a custome of holy people to adore great men and Dauid adored Ionothan fallinge downe vpon the earth So Abigall adored Dauid Wee adore saith S. Augustine those good people with Charitie Io. 5. not with seruitude So Iosue adored not the man that he sawe but the Angell which he vnderstood Elizeus hauinge receaued the new spiritt of Elias did suffer himselfe to be adored of the children of the prophets at the riuer of Iordan Regum 2. Num. 22. Balaā adored the Angel Saule adored the soule of Samuell 3. Reg. 18 〈…〉 2. Abdias honoured Elias Porphe●i an old enemie of Christiā religiō whom Iohn Witcleffe did obiect vnto the Church saith that against the olde lawe of God shee doth adore the Angells the lawe prohibitinge any adoration to be extended towardes any besides towards God saying Deum tuū adorabis illi soli seruies vnto whome saincte Augustine answereth Aug. lib. 10. de Ciuit Dei cap. 20. that wee liuing in this miserable peregrination honor and reuerence the Angells as the most blessed Citizens of heauen neither doth the lawe of God prohibite the same but rather commende it the lawe only forbides that the due reference and adoration which is due to God should not be transferred vnto any other creature or that wee should offer sacrifice vnto it which belongeth vnto God which God did forbid the Hebrewes sayinge S●crificans dijs alienis eradicabitur He that offereth sacrifice to strāge godes shal
himselfe that which Virgilius translated out of Sybilla her verses Te Domine si qua manent sceleris vestigia nostri Irrita perpetua soluent formidine terras By thee alone wee be released From dregs of filthie sinne And eke the earth receaued peace From foe and dreadfull feind 10. Although God is said to be only good onlie holie only Lord the onlie giuer of grace all these perfections and attributts be giuen vnto him per essentiam per se per naturam suam independenter ab omni alio by his essence nature and beinge independent of any other yet there are manie soe called videlicet holie Lordes c. who are so called not by nature or offence sed participatiue dependenter ab authore gratiae but haue the same grace dependinge of God and so are made partaker of his grace and iustification of which iustification God is the vniuersall efficient cause The bloode and passion of Christ is the meritorious cause the Sacraments are the instrumentall causes the Priests are the administeriall causes and gods glorie is the finall cause thereof And although God is said to remitte sinne because as the Philosopher saith Illi tribuitur actio à quo dependet operandi virtus he is the worcker of the act by whose vertue and influence the same proceedes yet other causes do concurr for the remission thereof in their owne kind and operation although god hath the cheefest stroake therein of whome those causes principallie do depend and so wee adore God with the word Latria And as God doth communicate his goodnes vnto good men and holie people and neuer doth ymparte vnto them the excellencie of his goodnes so wee neuer giue vnto them the excellencie of Latria which is diuine adoration but wee giue vnto them accordinge to their goodnes correspondent titles of woorshipp and reuerence So the holy Saincts wee worshipp with the stile and title of Dulia which accordinge to S. Thomas est obseruantia qua maioribus honorem deferrimus 2. 2. q. 102 q. 103. Is an obseruation by which wee offer honour to our elders and betters by which wee reuerence the Saincts in God for he that honors the Martyr in God doth honour God in the Martyr The blessed Virgin is honored by the title of reuerence which is called Hyperdulia quod idem est quod excellens eximia dulia because that as in meritts of grace and sanctitie beinge the mother of him De cuius plenitudine nos omnes accepimus frō whose fulnes all grace did springe into the world she exceeded all the creatures that euer were so her honor and respect of reuerence ought to excell the honors and reuerence which wee exibite to any other creature whatsoeuer 11. Ioannes Catacuzenus in Apologia 3. 4. contra Mahometanos credimus inquit Wee beleeue saith hee that no man like to Marie was euer borne nor euer shal be vnto the end of the worlde though accordinge to humane nature shee is inferior to the Angells yet accordinge to her holynes and sanctitie she surpasseth the Angells Epiph. haeres 79. S. Epiph. saith that by the misterie of the Incarnation she is more honorable then all other saincts S. Bernard in sermone 1. de natiuitate beatae Mariae 1. de assumptione doth call her Aduocate of the Church calleth her spes nostra our hope as also the same S. Bernard ser illo 1. de natiuitate Holie Ephrem in oratione de Laudibus Virginis gaudium salutem mundi ipsam esse praedicat And though these titles of honor may seene proper vnto God yet there are other titles due vnto God and so proper vnto him that they can neuer be giuen to any other as that God is infinite Naz. in tragedia de Christo omnipoten● and eternall there are other titles which are common to God and his saincts as ●he title of Pastor Maister fundation and rocke which are not accomodated to the blessed Virgin 12. Where you say that wee comitt Idolatrie in giuinge all these titles of honor vnto the saincts in reuerencinge their relicks and so you call Images Idols Epiph. doth answere such people sayinge O insanientem linguam quam instar macherae veneno imbutae possident O furious and raginge tounge which is like a sharpe poisoned sword which calles the deuout and innocent faith of Christians Idolatrie No Christian vnder the heauens did giue the worshipp of God which is called Latria vnto any image Latria nostra saith he in spiritu est our adoration is in spiritt Eph. tomo 4. 2. contra haereticos ● Aug. lib. 20. contra Faustum arguit si per cultum qui latria dicitur c. If as S. Aug. doth argue against Faustus how by the adoration of Latria which is due vnto God do wee serue rather the creature then the Creator when our purpose and meaninge is to serue God therein For our thought therein beinge referred to God not the creature wee honor God only and not creatures 7. Synod And therfore he is condemned as an heretique in the 7. generall Councell that calls Images Idolls Qui venerandas imagines idola appellant Anathema sit Whosoeuer calls the venerable Images Idolls Lett him be cursed Read the 26. of Leuit wher idolum is said Non facies vobis idolū 13. Origenes declaringe that of Exodus Non facies tibi sculptile which the 70. called Idolon saith aliud est facere idolum aliud similitudinem It is not all one to make an Idole and the likenes of any thinge for an Idole doth represent a thinge vnto vs otherwise then it is as the Gentiles made an Idole of the Image of Iupiter thinking him to be God which he was not An Idole is such a thing as is not God is reuerenced as God whether it be a similitude or any thinge which wee thincke to be God But an Image is the similitude of any paterne or exemple which if that similitude doe represent vnto our vewe any thinge worthie of veneration is reuerenced and honored with the example so as an Image is not a verie similitude but which is putt Tomo 3. de Sacramen talibus and ordayned to represent and expresse this thinge or that thinge and ther Thomas Waldēsis saies Idolum à dolo dictum est that is to saie of deceite 14. Doctor Sanders doth saie that the old heretickes Marcionists and Manychies after the Euthichians were the first ympugners of Images imitatinge herein the Hebrewes Sarrecens Gentiles and Samaritans as heretiques doe Amoungst the Emperors the first that opposed himselfe again●t Images was Phillipp as Paulus Diaconus doth relate in his life this Emperor beinge at Constantinople did see a picture wherin was written the acts and monuments of the 6. generall Councell which he comanded to be taken awaye in which Councell there was two wills defined in Christ this is related by Paulus Dianius Next vnto him was Leo Isauricus who