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or_o woman_n as_o well_o as_o a_o priest_n administer_v the_o sacrament_n what_o hinder_v that_o such_o a_o presence_n may_v not_o be_v effect_v every_o dinner_n and_o supper_n answer_n such_o argument_n as_o these_o may_v very_o well_o persuade_v we_o that_o our_o author_n receive_v this_o doctrine_n from_o tradition_n 8_o mâ—_n cressie_n p._n 12â—_n s._n 8_o not_o ratiocination_n as_o before_o he_o tell_v we_o for_o if_o he_o have_v receive_v it_o by_o such_o a_o ratiocination_n his_o baptismal_a water_n must_v necessary_o have_v be_v change_v into_o i_o know_v not_o what_o for_o if_o it_o remain_v water_n still_o may_v not_o i_o ask_v he_o what_o need_v of_o any_o consecration_n to_o become_v sacramental_a what_o effect_n can_v consecration_n have_v upon_o it_o why_o may_v not_o another_o man_n or_o woman_n as_o well_o as_o a_o priest_n administer_v this_o sacrament_n what_o hinder_v but_o we_o may_v have_v such_o a_o presence_n of_o christ_n or_o the_o holy_a spirit_n every_o 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he_o tell_v i_o why_o a_o master_n of_o a_o family_n may_v not_o consecrate_v these_o element_n as_o well_o as_o the_o paschal_n lamb_n if_o he_o have_v require_v it_o then_o sure_o whether_o transubstantiation_n be_v true_a or_o false_a it_o can_v be_v effect_v by_o a_o laic_a but_o three_o tell_v i_o what_o be_v the_o bread_n we_o eat_v at_o dinner_n the_o bread_n break_v for_o we_o be_v the_o wine_n the_o papist_n drink_v on_o their_o fasting-dai_n the_o blood_n shed_v for_o the_o remission_n of_o their_o sin_n do_v man_n by_o eat_v and_o drink_v remember_v christ_n death_n till_o he_o come_v have_v they_o any_o promise_n of_o such_o blessing_n from_o the_o partake_n of_o their_o common_a bread_n as_o sacramental_a if_o not_o why_o do_v our_o author_n trouble_v we_o with_o such_o a_o frivolous_a comparison_n he_o next_o proceed_v to_o demonstrate_v this_o change_n out_o of_o the_o father_n sect._n 4_o and_o thus_o he_o begin_v sect._n 10._o in_o all_o ancient_a liturgy_n that_o be_v all_o spurious_a one_o as_o blondel_n himself_o and_o for_o your_o better_a direction_n you_o may_v see_v the_o name_n of_o blondel_n in_o the_o margin_n without_o any_o addition_n of_o book_n or_o chapter_n though_o a_o huguenot_n confess_v the_o prayer_n for_o the_o consecration_n of_o the_o element_n be_v that_o god_n will_v by_o his_o holy_a spirit_n sanctify_v the_o element_n whereby_o the_o bread_n may_v be_v make_v the_o body_n and_o wine_n the_o blood_n of_o our_o lord_n and_o for_o this_o he_o cite_v st._n basils_n liturgy_n cyrill_n hieros_n mystag_n catech._n after_o that_o the_o act_n of_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a cyrill_n alexand._n ep._n ad_fw-la calosyr_n and_o greg._n nyssen_n orat._n catech._n and_o here_o we_o have_v all_o that_o pretend_v to_o demonstrate_v this_o change_n except_o optatus_n who_o tell_v we_o that_o the_o altar_n be_v the_o seat_n of_o the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n now_o the_o mischief_n be_v first_o that_o all_o these_o author_n 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the_o priest_n as_o by_o the_o people_n as_o well_o at_o mass_n as_o at_o matin_n as_o well_o at_o the_o altar_n as_o in_o the_o body_n of_o the_o church_n indeed_o you_o tell_v we_o it_o may_v have_v be_v lawful_a if_o the_o church_n have_v so_o order_v it_o but_o do_v you_o think_v s._n austin_n will_v have_v say_v so_o too_o be_v it_o not_o his_o business_n to_o distinguish_v betwixt_o the_o honour_n which_o be_v give_v to_o the_o martyr_n by_o the_o christian_n and_o by_o the_o gentile_n to_o the_o daemon_n and_o have_v say_v that_o they_o erect_v no_o altar_n to_o they_o as_o the_o heathen_n do_v for_o sacrifice_v but_o sacrifice_v to_o god_n alone_o he_o add_v that_o at_o this_o sacrifice_n the_o martyr_n be_v not_o invocate_v as_o the_o gentile_a daemon_n be_v but_o only_o nominate_v now_o what_o be_v it_o to_o his_o purpose_n to_o tell_v we_o they_o be_v not_o invocate_v at_o the_o altar_n if_o they_o be_v invocate_v elsewhere_o well_o then_o your_o last_o refuge_n be_v the_o 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superstition_n and_o plead_v the_o cause_n of_o christ_n against_o they_o but_o i_o shall_v wave_v it_o at_o present_a and_o content_v myself_o with_o evidence_v the_o judgement_n and_o practice_n of_o antiquity_n to_o run_v contrary_a to_o they_o and_o 1._o sect._n 19_o it_o be_v a_o strong_a presumption_n that_o this_o invocation_n of_o saint_n be_v not_o so_o pious_a so_o profitable_a as_o the_o trent_n council_n do_v imagine_v in_o that_o we_o find_v neither_o precept_n nor_o example_n of_o all_o the_o father_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n whereby_o this_o kind_n of_o service_n to_o they_o may_v be_v warrant_v to_o this_o the_o usual_a answer_n of_o the_o papist_n be_v ante_fw-la vid._n bellar._n praefat_fw-la in_o controver_n de_fw-fr eccles_n triumph_v ante_fw-la that_o the_o spirit_n of_o the_o patriarch_n and_o prophet_n and_o other_o worthy_n who_o flourish_v under_o the_o old_a testament_n be_v keep_v in_o limbus_fw-la patrum_fw-la a_o place_n nigh_o to_o hell_n appoint_v 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