Selected quad for the lemma: saint_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
saint_n	altar_n	angel_n	golden_a	2,087	5	10.8116	5	true

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A41211	An appeal to Scripture & antiquity in the questions of 1. the worship and invocation of saints and angels 2. the worship of images 3. justification by and merit of good works 4. purgatory 5. real presence and half-communion : against the Romanists / by H. Ferne ...	Ferne, H. (Henry), 1602-1662.	1665 (1665)	Wing F787; ESTC R6643	246,487	512

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silent_a suggestion_n of_o the_o spirit_n but_o why_o because_o pro_fw-la because_o quia_fw-la durum_fw-la erat_fw-la id_fw-la judaeis_n praecipere_fw-la &_o gentib_n daretur_fw-la occasio_fw-la putandi_fw-la multos_fw-la sibi_fw-la deos_fw-la exhibitos_fw-la pro_fw-la it_o be_v hard_a to_o command_v such_o a_o thing_n to_o the_o jew_n and_o it_o be_v likely_a to_o give_v occasion_n to_o the_o gentile_n of_o think_v that_o many_o god_n be_v put_v upon_o they_o in_o stead_n of_o the_o many_o god_n they_o have_v forsake_v and_o may_v not_o the_o same_o reason_n still_o be_v good_a against_o romish_a invocation_n and_o image-worship_n either_o to_o keep_v they_o out_o or_o cast_v they_o out_o of_o the_o church_n see_v they_o give_v such_o occasion_n of_o scandal_n to_o jew_n and_o infidel_n throughout_o the_o romish_a communion_n the_o cardinal_n be_v not_o so_o liberal_a with_o we_o dices_fw-la bel._n l._n 1._o de_fw-fr beat_n sanct._n c._n 19_o non_fw-la consuetum_fw-la nec_fw-la ordinariè_fw-la cognoscere_fw-la preces_fw-la etc._n etc._n 20_o sect_n sed_fw-la dices_fw-la for_o he_o will_v confine_v it_o to_o the_o old_a testament_n acknowledge_v it_o be_v not_o the_o custom_n then_o to_o say_v holy_a abraham_n pray_v for_o we_o and_o his_o reason_n be_v because_o they_o do_v not_o see_v god_n and_o can_v not_o ordinary_o i._n e._n without_o special_a revelation_n know_v the_o prayer_n of_o the_o live_n neither_o be_v the_o cardinal_n so_o ingenuous_a with_o we_o as_o be_v his_o fellow_n salmeron_n for_o albeit_o he_o give_v reason_n why_o prayer_n be_v not_o make_v to_o they_o in_o the_o old_a testament_n which_o reason_n be_v good_a against_o their_o invocation_n till_o our_o saviour_n ascension_n yet_o he_o bring_v place_n out_o of_o the_o old_a testament_n for_o a_o seem_a proof_n of_o it_o some_o of_o they_o indeed_o concern_v invocation_n of_o angel_n as_o that_o gen._n 48.16_o &_o job_n 5.1_o to_o which_o we_o brief_o answer_v 9_o answer_v chap._n ii_o nu_fw-la 9_o above_o and_o though_o the_o cardinal_n reason_n which_o exclude_v the_o saint_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n do_v not_o conclude_v against_o the_o angel_n which_o do_v see_v god_n face_n and_o as_o well_o hear_v and_o know_v what_o be_v say_v and_o do_v below_o on_o earth_n in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n as_o after_o yet_o salmerons_n reason_n may_v prevail_v against_o invocation_n of_o they_o because_o of_o danger_n of_o idolatry_n then_o and_o it_o will_v have_v seem_v strange_a and_o hard_a to_o the_o jew_n and_o albeit_o they_o have_v cherubin_n in_o the_o picture_n yet_o not_o angel_n in_o their_o worship_n which_o be_v acknowledge_v by_o azor_n and_o vasquez_n and_o that_o out_o of_o several_a father_n clear_v the_o jewish_a church_n from_o worship_v of_o angel_n or_o image_n and_o something_o to_o this_o purpose_n be_v say_v 10._o say_v chap._n iii_o nu_fw-la 10._o above_o now_o for_o the_o place_n out_o of_o the_o revelation_n invocation_n place_n 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verse_n specify_v they_o thus_o viega_n understand_v they_o of_o the_o church_n below_o and_o he_o follow_v good_a author_n in_o it_o the_o next_o be_v rev._n 6.10_o how_o long_a o_o lord_n here_o also_o be_v a_o great_a mistake_n of_o romanist_n make_v this_o a_o formal_a prayer_n of_o the_o martyr_n for_o revenge_n which_o stand_v not_o with_o that_o charity_n they_o have_v in_o so_o great_a a_o degree_n and_o therefore_o this_o be_v but_o a_o figurative_a or_o emblematical_a representation_n of_o their_o soul_n lie_v under_o the_o altar_n and_o call_n for_o revenge_n only_o to_o show_v the_o certainty_n of_o that_o judgement_n and_o vengeance_n which_o god_n will_v in_o time_n bring_v upon_o the_o heathen_a persecutor_n for_o their_o blood_n as_o when_o abel_n blood_n be_v say_v to_o cry_v for_o vengeance_n and_o for_o the_o argument_n they_o make_v if_o the_o soul_n of_o martyr_n cry_v for_o vengeance_n upon_o their_o enemy_n therefore_o their_o charity_n much_o more_o prompt_v they_o to_o pray_v for_o god_n servant_n it_o fail_v first_o in_o the_o antecedent_n for_o they_o do_v not_o as_o we_o see_v make_v any_o formal_a prayer_n for_o vengeance_n and_o then_o it_o fail_v in_o the_o inference_n for_o it_o will_v only_o conclude_v that_o they_o do_v pray_v for_o the_o church_n militant_a which_o we_o grant_v not_o that_o they_o offer_v up_o prayer_n make_v to_o they_o which_o be_v the_o point_n in_o question_n the_o three_o text_n rev._n 8.3_o where_o another_o angel_n be_v say_v to_o stand_v by_o the_o altar_n have_v a_o golden_a censer_n and_o much_o incense_n be_v give_v to_o he_o that_o he_o may_v offer_v it_o with_o the_o prayer_n of_o all_o saint_n a_o great_a mistake_n this_o and_o impious_a to_o make_v this_o the_o office_n of_o any_o create_a angel_n for_o the_o very_a text_n seem_v to_o imply_v that_o this_o be_v a_o special_a angel_n differ_v from_o the_o seven_o angel_n set_v out_o in_o the_o second_o verse_n as_o minister_a spirit_n and_o what_o one_o create_a angel_n be_v sufficient_a for_o this_o to_o receive_v and_o offer_v up_o their_o prayer_n that_o be_v make_v by_o all_o the_o saint_n or_o just_a man_n on_o earth_n therefore_o general_o it_o be_v interpret_v of_o christ_n the_o great_a angel_n of_o the_o counsel_n of_o god_n as_o viega_n and_o other_o modern_a writer_n and_o herein_o they_o have_v ambrose_n haimo_n rupertus_n and_o the_o interlineary_a gloss_n consent_v to_o who_o i_o may_v add_v what_o irenaeus_n say_v reflect_v upon_o this_o place_n and_o the_o other_o cap._n 5.8_o where_o speak_v of_o the_o church_n offer_v up_o all_o by_o christ_n apply_v to_o it_o that_o of_o malachi_n cap._n 1.11_o in_o every_o place_n incense_n shall_v be_v offer_v then_o add_v now_o sacerdotem_fw-la now_o iren._n l._n 4._o c._n 33._o incensa_fw-la autem_fw-la joan._n in_o apocal._n orationes_fw-la ait_fw-la esse_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la tert._n advers._fw-la martion_n l._n 4._o c._n 9_o per_fw-la jesum_fw-la christum_fw-la catholicum_fw-la patris_fw-la sacerdotem_fw-la st._n john_n in_o the_o revel_n say_v that_o incense_n or_o the_o sweet_a odour_n be_v the_o prayer_n of_o the_o saint_n and_o tertul._n upon_o that_o of_o our_o saviour_n to_o the_o leper_n cleanse_v show_v thyself_o to_o the_o priest_n and_o offer_v mat._n 8.4_o infer_v we_o must_v offer_v up_o all_o our_o prayer_n and_o thanksgiving_n by_o jesus_n christ_n the_o catholic_n or_o universal_a priest_n of_o the_o father_n no_o create_a angel_n can_v be_v such_o a_o catholic_n priest_n to_o offer_v up_o the_o prayer_n of_o all_o saint_n thus_o much_o for_o scripture_n to_o show_v how_o destitute_a they_o be_v of_o any_o real_a proof_n and_o therefore_o want_v the_o first_o and_o main_a ground_n of_o catholic_n faith_n and_o doctrine_n introduct_n sect._n 1._o in_o introduct_n according_a to_o vincentius_n his_o certain_a and_o safe_a rule_n at_o first_o mention_v now_o let_v we_o make_v a_o brief_a survey_n of_o antiquity_n and_o see_v