Selected quad for the lemma: saint_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
saint_n	according_a	earth_n	heaven_n	1,474	5	5.4232	4	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A34077	The plausible arguments of a Romish priest answered by an English Protestant seasonable and useful for all Protestant families.	Comber, Thomas, 1645-1699.	1686 (1686)	Wing C5481; ESTC R16555	28,548	65

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