the_o 2_o pet._n 2._o 2._o that_o many_o shall_v follow_v their_o destruction_n and_o some_o of_o they_o shall_v do_v it_o through_o covetousness_n who_o shall_v with_o feign_a word_n make_v merchandise_n of_o the_o lord_n people_n as_o be_v plain_a in_o the_o next_o verse_n who_o destruction_n sleep_v not_o but_o who_o these_o creeper_n in_o be_v appear_v by_o the_o 15._o verse_n of_o this_o chapter_n that_o they_o be_v they_o that_o love_v the_o wage_n of_o unrighteousness_n as_o balaam_n do_v but_o if_o any_o one_o so_o do_v his_o last_o end_n shall_v be_v worse_o worse_o then_o his_o beginning_n thus_o much_o for_o your_o nine_o reason_n in_o your_o ten_o reason_n you_o affirm_v that_o the_o first_o principle_n of_o the_o independent_a way_n be_v that_o two_o or_o three_o saint_n wheresoever_o or_o by_o what_o mean_v soever_o they_o do_v arise_v separate_v themselves_o from_o the_o world_n into_o the_o fellowship_n of_o the_o gospel_n be_v a_o church_n true_o gather_v for_o this_o you_o quete_fw-fr mr._n robinson_n justification_n pag._n 221._o but_o in_o that_o page_n there_o be_v no_o such_o thing_n write_v as_o i_o can_v find_v but_o see_v it_o come_v so_o near_o the_o truth_n we_o need_v not_o to_o contend_v about_o it_o for_o i_o do_v affirm_v that_o a_o company_n of_o saint_n separate_a from_o the_o world_n and_o gather_v into_o the_o fellowship_n of_o the_o gospel_n by_o what_o mean_v so_o ever_o it_o be_v that_o matter_n not_o so_o it_o be_v by_o the_o teach_n of_o the_o son_n of_o god_n according_a to_o that_o in_o heb._n 1._o 1._o these_o saint_n i_o say_v separate_v themselves_o and_o be_v gather_v into_o the_o fellowship_n of_o the_o gospel_n though_o they_o combine_v themselves_o without_o the_o warrant_n of_o the_o governor_n be_v a_o true_a church_n and_o have_v right_a to_o all_o god_n ordinance_n not_o only_o 15._o to_o admit_v man_n into_o fellowship_n but_o also_o to_o admonish_v to_o reprove_v and_o to_o cast_v out_o of_o their_o society_n all_o obstinate_a offender_n among_o they_o that_o do_v transgress_v either_o against_o the_o first_o or_o second_o table_n have_v as_o have_v be_v say_v before_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n to_o guide_v they_o and_o wisdom_n from_o above_o to_o judge_v of_o person_n and_o cause_n within_o the_o church_n though_o they_o have_v nothing_o to_o do_v to_o judge_v those_o that_o be_v without_o and_o this_o do_v not_o make_v way_n for_o libertisnime_n for_o heresy_n and_o sectary_n as_o you_o say_v neither_o do_v it_o make_v man_n to_o run_v from_o their_o own_o minister_n because_o they_o restrain_v they_o from_o sin_n or_o keep_v they_o to_o god_n ordinance_n as_o you_o do_v affirm_v for_o if_o any_o separate_a for_o any_o such_o cause_n they_o shall_v not_o be_v receive_v into_o fellowship_n nor_o justify_v of_o any_o of_o the_o lord_n people_n but_o the_o way_n of_o the_o gospel_n as_o have_v be_v plain_o prove_v be_v not_o to_o live_v without_o god_n ordinance_n nor_o to_o live_v at_o liberty_n as_o you_o say_v except_o you_o mean_v the_o liberty_n wherein_o christ_n have_v set_v they_o and_o command_v they_o to_o stand_v fast_o because_o he_o have_v make_v they_o free_a gal._n 5._o 1._o by_o this_o you_o may_v see_v the_o saint_n be_v call_v into_o liberty_n but_o not_o a_o liberty_n to_o sin_n as_o you_o will_v insinuate_v but_o to_o be_v free_v from_o the_o yoke_n of_o bondage_n which_o be_v the_o tyranny_n or_o tyrannical_a government_n of_o the_o canon_n law_n either_o of_o rome_n or_o england_n but_o you_o say_v all_o heretic_n sectary_n or_o libertine_n will_v count_v themselves_o saint_n as_o well_o as_o the_o independent_a man_n and_o the_o reason_n you_o seem_v to_o give_v for_o this_o be_v because_o the_o minister_n and_o magistrate_n of_o the_o kingdom_n shall_v not_o have_v power_n to_o determine_v who_o be_v saint_n *_o 34._o now_o let_v all_o man_n judge_v what_o a_o weighty_a argument_n this_o be_v who_o be_v he_o that_o know_v any_o thing_n and_o know_v not_o this_o that_o the_o priest_n in_o england_n which_o be_v the_o bishop_n creature_n do_v general_o justify_v the_o wicked_a and_o condemn_v the_o just_a and_o be_v not_o these_o meet_a man_n to_o judge_v saint_n they_o justify_v none_o that_o will_v not_o be_v conformable_a and_o yield_v unto_o the_o tradition_n which_o they_o have_v invent_v in_o their_o counsel_n and_o convocation_n though_o they_o have_v not_o one_o title_n of_o god_n word_n to_o warrant_v they_o furthermore_o they_o condemn_v all_o that_o will_v not_o submit_v to_o their_o devise_a worship_n even_o in_o all_o the_o tradition_n thereof_o and_o this_o be_v the_o dependency_n which_o they_o have_v bring_v all_o man_n unto_o both_o high_a and_o low_a even_o to_o be_v subject_a to_o their_o will_n which_o be_v a_o law_n but_o now_o touch_v the_o magistrate_n you_o will_v seem_v to_o infer_v that_o he_o shall_v have_v no_o more_o power_n than_o a_o priest_n it_o be_v plain_a the_o priest_n have_v no_o power_n but_o what_o they_o have_v by_o permission_n and_o sufferance_n though_o they_o have_v dependency_n upon_o the_o pope_n himself_o but_o the_o magistrate_n have_v power_n give_v he_o of_o god_n by_o who_o he_o be_v set_v up_o for_o the_o praise_n of_o those_o that_o do_v well_o and_o for_o the_o punishment_n of_o evil_a doer_n and_o have_v the_o same_o rule_n give_v he_o whereby_o to_o judge_v they_o that_o god_n have_v give_v to_o his_o church_n especial_o christian_a magistrate_n notwithstan_v they_o be_v oppose_v yet_o they_o have_v power_n give_v of_o god_n as_o you_o may_v read_v in_o acl_n 7_o 35._o this_o man_n moses_n who_o they_o forsake_v say_v who_o maâ—e_n thou_o a_o prince_n and_o a_o judge_n the_o same_o god_n send_v for_o a_o prince_n and_o a_o deliverer_n and_o this_o be_v he_o which_o be_v as_o a_o god_n unto_o aaron_n when_o aaron_n be_v as_o the_o mouth_n of_o moses_n to_o the_o people_n exod._n 4._o 16._o now_o if_o you_o priest_n can_v have_v prove_v yourselves_o as_o aaron_n than_o you_o may_v have_v be_v assistant_n to_o godly_a magistrate_n to_o deliver_v the_o lord_n people_n out_o of_o the_o hand_n of_o tyrannical_a prince_n but_o contrariwise_o you_o add_v affliction_n as_o pharaoh_n taskemasters_n 17._o do_v even_o you_o mr._n edward_n when_o you_o say_v the_o lord_n people_n be_v wanton-witted_a and_o idle_a when_o they_o desire_v to_o have_v liberty_n to_o serve_v god_n and_o thus_o you_o sit_v in_o the_o conscience_n of_o man_n judge_v zeal_n to_o be_v hypocrisy_n but_o the_o time_n will_v come_v when_o every_o work_n shall_v be_v bring_v to_o judgement_n and_o now_o draw_v near_o to_o a_o end_n of_o this_o answer_n to_o your_o ten_o reason_n which_o be_v the_o last_o of_o this_o your_o join_a army_n it_o be_v good_a to_o look_v back_o a_o little_a and_o consider_v what_o have_v be_v say_v you_o have_v speak_v much_o for_o dependency_n but_o upon_o who_o you_o do_v depend_v i_o can_v tell_v you_o labour_v to_o bring_v man_n into_o doubt_n by_o your_o supposition_n but_o you_o do_v not_o make_v any_o conclusion_n which_o be_v god_n way_n that_o man_n fear_v god_n may_v expect_v a_o blessing_n when_o they_o walk_v in_o it_o but_o you_o cry_v out_o for_o dependency_n upon_o counsel_n and_o synod_n and_o church_n i_o pray_v you_o what_o dependency_n have_v the_o church_n of_o england_n upon_o any_o other_o church_n for_o i_o suppose_v you_o will_v say_v that_o all_o the_o land_n be_v but_o one_o church_n if_o you_o say_v that_o you_o have_v dependency_n upon_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n i_o do_v believe_v you_o for_o the_o bishop_n of_o canterbury_n have_v say_v so_o much_o in_o his_o book_n where_o he_o confess_v rome_n to_o be_v as_o leprous_a naaman_n and_o england_n to_o be_v the_o same_o naaman_n cleanse_v now_o that_o it_o be_v the_o same_o may_v easy_o be_v prove_v by_o divers_a of_o your_o own_o author_n but_o you_o in_o your_o epistle_n affirm_v it_o be_v not_o cleanse_v in_o that_o place_n where_o you_o say_v that_o there_o be_v yet_o altar_n and_o image_n brazen_a serpent_n abuse_v to_o idolatry_n with_o divers_a other_o thing_n which_o you_o will_v have_v purge_v out_o by_o this_o it_o appear_v that_o it_o be_v the_o same_o with_o rome_n in_o the_o very_a nature_n of_o it_o though_o not_o in_o every_o circumstance_n and_o this_o for_o any_o thing_n can_v be_v discern_v be_v the_o dependency_n for_o which_o you_o plead_v even_o the_o dependency_n and_o affinity_n between_o rome_n and_o england_n therefore_o you_o shall_v rather_o have_v say_v that_o in_o the_o belly_n of_o this_o dependency_n do_v lurk_v all_o liberty_n and_o heresy_n and_o whatsoever_o satan_n and_o the_o corrupt_a heart_n of_o man_n have_v a_o pleasure_n to_o broach_v for_o in_o that_o
all_o his_o commandment_n and_o who_o have_v great_a authority_n upon_o the_o earth_n than_o they_o that_o be_v visible_a saint_n and_o what_o make_v man_n visible_a saint_n if_o not_o the_o manifestation_n of_o their_o obedience_n to_o god_n the_o father_n and_o christ_n his_o son_n in_o the_o practice_n of_o all_o his_o ordinance_n and_o not_o to_o have_v some_o other_o presbyter_n present_a with_o they_o to_o assist_v they_o as_o you_o affirm_v for_o by_o these_o other_o presbyter_n i_o know_v not_o yet_o who_o you_o mean_v and_o whereas_o you_o say_v that_o the_o church_n may_v be_v lead_v into_o error_n or_o keep_v in_o a_o low_a estate_n by_o unfit_a pastor_n and_o elder_n i_o answer_v it_o be_v a_o clear_a truth_n as_o woeful_a experience_n teach_v we_o who_o live_v here_o in_o the_o land_n of_o england_n and_o whereas_o you_o affirm_v that_o visible_a saint_n can_v ordain_v officer_n because_o they_o have_v no_o gift_n of_o prayer_n i_o answer_v here_o you_o make_v prayer_n the_o ordination_n of_o minister_n and_o whereas_o you_o say_v they_o be_v not_o able_a to_o conceive_v prayer_n here_o you_o give_v the_o holy_a ghost_n the_o lie_n for_o believer_n have_v receive_v the_o spirit_n of_o adoption_n to_o cry_v abba_fw-he father_n but_o say_v you_o they_o can_v conceive_v prayer_n according_a to_o the_o action_n in_o boâ—â—_n here_o you_o will_v seem_v to_o make_v believer_n which_o have_v the_o spirit_n of_o god_n to_o lead_v they_o into_o all_o truth_n more_o void_a of_o common_a reason_n than_o man_n that_o have_v but_o gift_n of_o nature_n again_o you_o say_v they_o have_v not_o gift_n to_o make_v public_a exhortation_n and_o admonition_n to_o which_o i_o answer_v if_o they_o have_v first_o knowledge_n to_o feel_v the_o want_n of_o a_o pastor_n and_o also_o divers_a able_a man_n out_o of_o who_o to_o elect_v and_o ordain_v a_o pastor_n than_o they_o out_o of_o who_o this_o person_n be_v choose_v be_v able_a to_o exhort_v and_o to_o admonish_v for_o he_o that_o have_v not_o the_o gift_n of_o teach_v may_v have_v the_o gift_n of_o exhortation_n again_o the_o man_n that_o undertake_v to_o teach_v other_o aught_o to_o be_v teach_v by_o god_n and_o likewise_o to_o be_v able_a by_o sound_a doctrine_n to_o withstand_v the_o gainsayer_n but_o a_o man_n may_v give_v good_a exhortation_n and_o that_o public_o that_o be_v not_o able_a to_o withstand_v the_o gainsayer_n by_o sound_a doctrine_n by_o this_o you_o may_v see_v the_o church_n of_o god_n can_v never_o be_v without_o some_o minister_n except_o it_o be_v according_a to_o that_o speak_v by_o zachaâ—iah_n in_o the_o day_n of_o very_o small_a thing_n indeed_o when_o god_n shall_v take_v away_o their_o minister_n by_o death_n prison_n or_o exile_n for_o see_v the_o church_n be_v plant_v by_o minister_n of_o god_n own_o ordain_v therefore_o they_o be_v not_o without_o minister_n in_o the_o very_a beginning_n and_o still_o the_o church_n be_v plant_v by_o the_o ministerial_a power_n of_o the_o lord_n jesus_n which_o can_v be_v exercise_v without_o fit_a instrument_n yet_o that_o they_o must_v want_v the_o word_n preach_v or_o sacrament_n administer_v till_o they_o have_v pastor_n and_o teacher_n in_o office_n be_v yet_o to_o be_v prove_v but_o that_o page_n of_o mr._n robinson_n which_o have_v be_v allege_v before_o be_v sufficient_a for_o this_o present_a purpose_n against_o you_o even_o to_o prove_v that_o the_o family_n must_v not_o be_v unprovided_a for_o either_o for_o the_o absence_n or_o neglect_n of_o a_o steward_n but_o now_o you_o seem_v to_o insinuate_v a_o affirmation_n or_o a_o supposition_n i_o can_v well_o tell_v whether_o that_o a_o rule_a elder_n may_v be_v destitute_a of_o the_o gift_n of_o discering_n and_o seem_v to_o imply_v that_o if_o he_o be_v destitute_a than_o all_o the_o church_n must_v be_v destitute_a if_o there_o be_v no_o more_o officer_n than_o be_v here_o you_o will_v fain_o make_v the_o roll_a elder_n the_o eye_n of_o the_o church_n and_o then_o all_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o body_n must_v be_v blind_a and_o so_o unfit_a to_o have_v any_o hand_n in_o election_n and_o also_o void_a of_o the_o spirit_n of_o grace_n to_o discern_v the_o gift_n by_o though_o it_o have_v be_v prove_v unto_o you_o before_o that_o she_o be_v the_o great_a of_o all_o have_v the_o spirit_n of_o god_n to_o lead_v she_o into_o all_o truth_n be_v the_o spouse_n of_o christ_n and_o endow_v with_o all_o his_o riches_n gift_n and_o donation_n and_o thus_o you_o still_o deny_v the_o authority_n and_o ability_n of_o the_o church_n give_v to_o the_o person_n in_o office_n all_o power_n and_o desern_v but_o this_o be_v indeed_o according_a to_o your_o practice_n here_o in_o england_n but_o not_o according_a to_o the_o mind_n and_o spirit_n of_o god_n and_o for_o the_o neighbour_n church_n counsel_n i_o deny_v not_o but_o that_o it_o may_v be_v embrace_v and_o the_o saint_n have_v cause_n to_o praise_n god_n for_o any_o help_n of_o god_n ordain_v but_o if_o they_o want_v the_o help_n of_o a_o neighbour_n church_n to_o counsel_n they_o or_o neighbour_n minister_n to_o direct_v they_o yet_o if_o they_o be_v a_o church_n of_o jesus_n christ_n they_o have_v as_o have_v be_v say_v before_o power_n among_o themselves_o to_o elect_v and_o ordain_v their_o own_o officer_n as_o also_o the_o spirit_n of_o discern_v whereby_o to_o try_v their_o gift_n and_o yet_o be_v far_o from_o fall_v into_o that_o evil_a which_o they_o complain_v against_o in_o the_o episcopacy_n namely_o for_o one_o man_n to_o have_v the_o sole_a power_n of_o ordination_n by_o all_o these_o particular_n you_o may_v clear_o see_v all_o your_o pretend_a proof_n and_o former_a assertion_n disprove_v as_o i_o promise_v you_o in_o the_o entrance_n of_o this_o my_o answer_n to_o your_o second_o reason_n so_o that_o these_o two_o first_o reason_n be_v as_o i_o conceive_v the_o great_a champion_n which_o you_o have_v send_v out_o in_o this_o skirmage_n be_v now_o both_o slay_v and_o make_v void_a of_o all_o the_o life_n that_o ever_o be_v in_o they_o for_o they_o be_v make_v most_o of_o supposition_n and_o of_o thing_n that_o appear_v unto_o you_o by_o likelihood_n without_o any_o ground_n from_o the_o scripture_n and_o of_o some_o other_o thing_n than_o god_n word_n allow_v and_o of_o some_o trivial_a affirmation_n which_o be_v not_o ground_v upon_o any_o truth_n of_o god_n word_n now_o these_o two_o be_v thus_o turn_v aside_o by_o one_o of_o the_o mean_a of_o all_o the_o army_n of_o jesus_n christ_n you_o may_v just_o fear_v that_o all_o the_o rest_n of_o your_o soldier_n will_v run_v away_o wound_v in_o your_o three_o reason_n you_o say_v it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v think_v that_o christ_n will_v institute_v such_o a_o government_n of_o his_o church_n which_o afford_v no_o help_n nor_o allow_v no_o way_n or_o remedy_n for_o innocent_a person_n that_o be_v wrong_v which_o thing_n i_o grant_v to_o be_v very_o true_a but_o touch_v the_o mean_n and_o help_n which_o you_o plead_v for_o that_o be_v some_o other_o synod_n to_o appeal_v unto_o i_o tell_v you_o i_o know_v not_o what_o synod_n you_o mean_v but_o this_o i_o affirm_v that_o there_o be_v no_o large_a synod_n to_o be_v keep_v to_o settle_v church_n difference_n than_o the_o come_n together_o of_o the_o minister_n and_o brethren_n as_o it_o be_v mention_v in_o the_o 15_o of_o the_o act_n which_o i_o have_v grant_v you_o in_o my_o answer_n to_o your_o former_a reason_n and_o whereas_o you_o strive_v for_o appeal_n i_o answer_v it_o be_v the_o rule_n of_o christ_n that_o if_o one_o brother_n do_v 17_o trespass_n against_o another_o and_o if_o the_o brother_n offend_v will_v not_o be_v reclaim_v by_o the_o private_a admonition_n of_o the_o brother_n offend_v he_o be_v to_o be_v admonish_v by_o one_o or_o two_o other_o brethren_n with_o he_o but_o if_o he_o will_v not_o hear_v they_o the_o brother_n offend_v be_v to_o tell_v the_o church_n and_o if_o he_o will_v not_o hear_v the_o church_n than_o he_o be_v not_o to_o be_v account_v a_o brother_n but_o as_o a_o heathen_a man_n and_o a_o publican_n if_o not_o as_o a_o brother_n than_o out_o of_o the_o fellowship_n then_o if_o the_o wrong_n be_v any_o personal_a injury_n as_o oppression_n or_o fraud_n or_o any_o other_o sin_n of_o these_o nature_n the_o law_n be_v open_a where_o he_o may_v appeal_v for_o justice_n to_o the_o magistrate_n in_o any_o part_n of_o the_o kingdom_n wherever_o he_o live_v but_o if_o it_o be_v a_o matter_n of_o scandal_n as_o if_o he_o shall_v be_v a_o drunkard_n or_o incontinent_a or_o the_o like_a than_o he_o have_v sufficient_a remedy_n when_o such_o a_o one_o be_v cast_v out_o of_o his_o society_n by_o this_o you_o may_v see_v
you_o master_n edwâ—rds_n will_v you_o have_v magistrate_n and_o king_n and_o prince_n to_o have_v more_o power_n over_o their_o subject_n then_o over_o their_o body_n estate_n and_o life_n will_v you_o have_v they_o be_v lord_n over_o their_o conscience_n i_o pray_v you_o where_o must_v christ_n reign_v then_o must_v he_o sit_v at_o the_o magistrate_n footstool_n and_o take_v what_o power_n the_o magistrate_n will_v give_v he_o i_o mean_v spiritual_a power_n of_o gather_v and_o make_v church_n and_o such_o law_n as_o the_o magistrate_n will_v give_v he_o leave_v to_o have_v to_o rule_v over_o they_o by_o here_o you_o thrust_v christ_n into_o a_o narrow_a corner_n for_o you_o will_v fain_o force_v he_o to_o give_v his_o glory_n to_o some_o other_o and_o his_o praise_n to_o some_o grave_a image_n of_o your_o own_o devise_v which_o he_o have_v say_v he_o will_v not_o do_v *_o 8._o but_o methinks_v it_o be_v fit_a for_o man_n of_o â—our_n coat_n to_o ground_v the_o government_n of_o christ_n church_n upon_o 〈◊〉_d write_a word_n of_o god_n and_o not_o upon_o statute_n law_n nor_o canon_n law_n which_o you_o call_v ecclesiastical_a for_o it_o will_v be_v no_o disparagement_n to_o the_o imperial_a crown_n of_o this_o realm_n for_o christ_n church_n to_o be_v govern_v by_o christ_n own_o law_n the_o next_o thing_n be_v you_o say_v the_o oath_n of_o supremacy_n be_v appoint_v by_o 31._o law_n for_o ecclesiastical_a person_n to_o take_v i_o think_v that_o be_v a_o good_a consideration_n for_o ecclesiastical_a person_n have_v be_v in_o all_o age_n ready_a to_o tyrannize_v over_o king_n and_o emperor_n but_o now_o you_o ask_v the_o independent_a man_n as_o you_o call_v they_o a_o question_n but_o before_o you_o come_v to_o the_o question_n you_o lie_v down_o a_o affirmation_n or_o a_o conclusion_n namely_o that_o these_o independent_a man_n give_v power_n to_o the_o church_n to_o which_o i_o answer_v if_o they_o shall_v do_v so_o they_o be_v very_o ignorant_a and_o very_o presumptuous_a for_o christ_n have_v give_v power_n to_o the_o church_n and_o all_o the_o minister_n that_o do_v administer_v in_o the_o church_n must_v have_v the_o power_n by_o the_o church_n but_o say_v you_o they_o give_v that_o power_n to_o the_o church_n which_o the_o papist_n give_v unto_o the_o pope_n i_o answer_v if_o they_o do_v so_o they_o be_v blasphemer_n for_o the_o papist_n acknowledge_v the_o pope_n to_o be_v the_o head_n of_o the_o church_n which_o title_n all_o man_n ought_v to_o give_v only_o unto_o christ_n but_o now_o to_o your_o question_n which_o be_v whether_o they_o will_v take_v the_o oath_n of_o supremacy_n or_o do_v acknowledge_v in_o their_o prayer_n the_o king_n defender_n of_o the_o faith_n etc._n etc._n to_o which_o i_o answer_v this_o ooth_a you_o say_v be_v ordain_v for_o ecclesiastical_a person_n and_o i_o hope_v these_o ecclesiastical_a independent_a man_n if_o i_o may_v safe_o so_o call_v they_o will_v ever_o both_o acknowledge_v and_o maintain_v that_o the_o king_n be_v supreme_a over_o all_o the_o land_n therefore_o over_o the_o church_n of_o the_o land_n though_o it_o consist_v of_o the_o clergy_n as_o it_o appear_v by_o that_o oath_n which_o you_o say_v be_v appoint_v for_o the_o clergy_n but_o whether_o they_o do_v acknowledge_v the_o king_n defender_n of_o the_o faith_n etc._n etc._n which_o be_v the_o late_a part_n of_o your_o question_n to_o this_o i_o answer_v it_o be_v out_o of_o all_o doubt_n that_o these_o man_n do_v desire_n from_o their_o heart_n as_o well_o as_o all_o the_o lord_n people_n that_o the_o king_n may_v defend_v the_o faith_n of_o christ_n jesus_n and_o daily_o make_v their_o prayer_n and_o supplication_n to_o god_n for_o he_o and_o that_o in_o conscience_n and_o obedience_n to_o god_n be_v command_v in_o his_o word_n so_o to_o do_v for_o they_o know_v it_o be_v a_o duty_n lay_v upon_o they_o for_o prayer_n and_o supplication_n must_v be_v make_v for_o king_n and_o all_o they_o that_o be_v in_o authority_n b_o 2._o but_o 〈◊〉_d can_v make_v axceptable_a prayer_n but_o the_o saint_n for_o the_o prayer_n of_o the_o wicked_a be_v abomination_n unto_o the_o lord_n c_o 8._o but_o that_o all_o king_n have_v be_v defender_n of_o the_o faith_n of_o christ_n i_o deny_v for_o there_o be_v but_o one_o faith_n *_o 5._o and_o those_o that_o do_v maintain_v that_o true_a say_v of_o our_o lord_n jesus_n christ_n lawful_o have_v that_o title_n give_v they_o and_o none_o other_o may_v lawful_o have_v it_o but_o they_o you_o will_v happy_o say_v queen_n mary_n be_v not_o a_o defender_n of_o the_o faith_n but_o i_o say_v unto_o you_o if_o the_o crown_n of_o england_n give_v unto_o king_n and_o queen_n that_o title_n queen_n mary_n have_v as_o much_o right_n to_o the_o title_n as_o queen_n elizabeth_n etc._n etc._n second_o you_o say_v they_o hold_v that_o the_o imposition_n of_o lawful_a thing_n do_v make_v they_o unlawful_a which_o you_o say_v be_v a_o strange_a paradox_n â—â—_z i_o answer_v the_o imposition_n of_o lawful_a thing_n do_v not_o make_v they_o unlawful_a if_o he_o that_o impose_v they_o have_v authority_n so_o to_o do_v as_o for_o example_n the_o iâ—â—osition_n of_o a_o oath_n be_v very_o lawful_a but_o if_o it_o be_v impose_v by_o he_o that_o have_v not_o authority_n though_o it_o make_v not_o the_o oath_n unlawful_a simple_o in_o itself_o yet_o it_o make_v the_o use_n of_o it_o unlawful_a at_o that_o time_n both_o to_o he_o and_o to_o i_o but_o as_o for_o form_n of_o prayer_n which_o you_o say_v they_o do_v confess_v to_o be_v for_o order_n and_o lawful_a in_o themselves_o yet_o unlawful_a be_v impose_v i_o say_v not_o as_o you_o say_v they_o say_v for_o i_o know_v no_o form_n of_o prayer_n lawful_a in_o itself_o for_o any_o of_o the_o lord_n people_n to_o tie_v themselves_o unto_o nor_o that_o ever_o be_v impose_v upon_o any_o by_o christ_n or_o his_o apostle_n we_o read_v in_o 1_o tim._n 2._o 1._o 2._o that_o all_o manner_n of_o prayer_n must_v be_v make_v unto_o god_n and_o among_o other_o supplication_n must_v be_v make_v for_o king_n but_o there_o be_v no_o form_n of_o word_n give_v by_o which_o we_o must_v pray_v for_o any_o and_o we_o be_v command_v to_o pray_v with_o the_o spirit_n and_o to_o pray_v with_o understanding_n but_o we_o be_v command_v to_o avoid_v a_o evil_a manner_n of_o pray_v that_o we_o shall_v not_o be_v like_o the_o hypocrite_n which_o love_n to_o stand_v and_o pray_v in_o the_o synagogue_n *_o 5_o nor_o that_o we_o shall_v make_v vain_a repetition_n as_o the_o heathen_n which_o think_v to_o be_v hear_v for_o their_o much_o babble_n *_o 8._o and_o as_o also_o we_o be_v forbid_v a_o evil_a manner_n of_o pray_v so_o we_o be_v command_v by_o god_n what_o manner_n to_o use_v as_o it_o be_v plain_a in_o matth._n 6._o 9_o 9_o the_o manner_n be_v that_o we_o must_v in_o our_o prayer_n acknowledge_v god_n to_o be_v our_o father_n and_o second_o that_o he_o be_v in_o heaven_n three_o we_o must_v give_v glory_n to_o his_o name_n four_o we_o must_v pray_v for_o the_o come_n of_o his_o kingdom_n five_o we_o must_v pray_v that_o the_o lord_n will_v may_v be_v do_v both_o in_o 10._o earth_n and_o in_o heaven_n six_o we_o must_v pray_v for_o all_o thing_n necessary_a for_o this_o life_n 11._o which_o be_v there_o set_v forth_o under_o the_o name_n of_o daily_a bread_n seven_o we_o must_v pray_v for_o the_o forgiveness_n of_o our_o own_o 12._o sin_n and_o we_o be_v also_o put_v in_o mind_n that_o as_o we_o will_v have_v our_o own_o sin_n forgive_v so_o we_o shall_v forgive_v other_o if_o they_o acknowledge_v their_o offence_n according_a to_o that_o in_o luke_n 17_o 4_o if_o thy_o brother_n trespass_n against_o thou_o seven_o time_n a_o day_n and_o seven_o time_n a_o day_n end_n say_v it_o repent_v he_o etc._n etc._n eight_o we_o must_v pray_v against_o temptation_n to_o be_v deliver_v from_o 13._o the_o evil_n thereof_o and_o last_o we_o must_v conclude_v with_o thanksgiving_n acknowledge_v the_o kingdom_n to_o be_v the_o lord_n and_o all_o power_n and_o glory_n to_o be_v due_a unto_o he_o not_o only_o for_o that_o present_a time_n but_o for_o ever_o here_o you_o may_v see_v we_o be_v teach_v the_o manner_n how_o we_o ought_v to_o pray_v but_o we_o be_v tie_v to_o no_o form_n of_o word_n yet_o we_o be_v to_o believe_v that_o this_o be_v a_o perfect_a rule_n and_o that_o we_o may_v sufficient_o ground_v all_o the_o petition_n we_o need_v to_o put_v up_o from_o this_o very_a rule_n as_o for_o example_n as_o we_o desire_v to_o acknowledge_v god_n to_o be_v our_o father_n so_o we_o ought_v to_o desire_v that_o other_o will_v do_v the_o like_a and_o whereas_o we_o ought_v
themselves_o to_o keep_v in_o a_o whole_a skin_n i_o answer_v if_o they_o do_v evil_a in_o it_o that_o evil_a be_v to_o be_v pass_v by_o for_o it_o be_v very_o probable_a that_o they_o do_v know_v that_o the_o great_a canon_n be_v already_o make_v and_o that_o they_o be_v mighty_o charge_v and_o overcharge_v as_o it_o may_v appear_v by_o their_o shiver_n in_o piece_n but_o if_o they_o have_v hold_v to_o have_v be_v shoot_v off_o they_o may_v easy_o perceive_v that_o they_o may_v beat_v hole_n in_o their_o own_o skin_n as_o well_o as_o in_o other_o man_n and_o they_o see_v the_o plague_n before_o hand_n may_v be_v bear_v with_o to_o hide_v themselves_o but_o you_o say_v you_o stand_v without_o they_o here_o in_o the_o gap_n and_o prevail_v with_o god_n i_o answer_v it_o may_v be_v conceive_v that_o they_o prevail_v with_o god_n who_o pray_v do_o so_o much_o for_o england_n when_o they_o be_v out_o of_o it_o for_o god_n will_v not_o hear_v sinner_n *_o 31._o therefore_o you_o can_v expect_v that_o god_n shall_v hear_v you_o so_o long_o as_o you_o justify_v the_o abomination_n of_o your_o bespot_a church_n and_o you_o know_v moses_n prevail_v for_o egypt_n when_o he_o be_v out_o of_o the_o city_n 33._o but_o you_o say_v it_o be_v better_a to_o want_v their_o company_n than_o to_o buy_v it_o at_o so_o dear_a a_o rate_n as_o a_o toleration_n and_o you_o say_v you_o question_v not_o but_o the_o king_n donte_fw-la will_v do_v well_o enough_o without_o they_o be_v it_o possible_a that_o you_o shall_v enjoy_v the_o benefit_n of_o the_o prayer_n of_o those_o that_o you_o so_o much_o slight_n and_o set_v so_o little_a by_o their_o company_n that_o rather_o than_o they_o shall_v have_v liberty_n to_o worship_n god_n in_o a_o peaceable_a way_n by_o your_o will_n they_o shall_v depart_v the_o kingdom_n when_o it_o be_v prove_v by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n that_o god_n servant_n be_v the_o strength_n and_o glory_n of_o the_o kingdom_n for_o even_o as_o the_o prophet_n be_v the_o charet_n and_o horseman_n of_o israel_n so_o be_v they_o that_o fear_v the_o lord_n a_o support_n to_o the_o kingdom_n and_o commonwealth_n wherein_o they_o live_v but_o as_o for_o your_o kingdom_n of_o priest_n it_o shall_v neither_o stand_v without_o they_o nor_o with_o they_o for_o though_o the_o prophet_n seek_v to_o heal_v babel_n yet_o it_o can_v not_o be_v heal_v for_o your_o horn_n shall_v be_v knock_v off_o and_o methinks_v i_o hear_v the_o decree_n go_v forth_o that_o your_o kingdom_n be_v divide_v and_o therefore_o you_o have_v need_n to_o set_v down_o your_o resolution_n that_o it_o shall_v not_o long_o stand_v but_o the_o kingdom_n of_o england_n may_v safe_o stand_v with_o toleration_n four_o you_o say_v for_o this_o objection_n of_o be_v good_a man_n you_o will_v answer_v it_o at_o large_a in_o another_o tractate_n wherein_o you_o say_v you_o shall_v mind_v man_n of_o many_o danger_n that_o may_v arise_v to_o they_o from_o good_a and_o eminent_a man_n and_o further_o you_o say_v you_o will_v full_o show_v what_o little_a strength_n be_v in_o that_o reason_n and_o clear_v also_o many_o thing_n in_o reference_n to_o that_o objection_n i_o answer_v when_o i_o see_v this_o perform_v i_o will_v take_v it_o into_o consideration_n and_o then_o you_o may_v hear_v more_o of_o my_o mind_n in_o the_o mean_a while_n i_o rest_v in_o the_o scripture_n which_o satisfy_v i_o that_o good_a man_n ever_o bring_v a_o blessing_n the_o next_o thing_n you_o bring_v be_v this_o question_n namely_o whether_o 52._o conscientious_a man_n who_o agree_v with_o you_o in_o the_o main_a in_o point_n of_o doctrine_n and_o practise_v may_v be_v tolerate_v and_o spare_v in_o some_o thing_n wherein_o they_o differ_v from_o that_o which_o be_v common_o receive_v indeed_o you_o have_v make_v divers_a answer_n to_o this_o already_o for_o it_o be_v before_o your_o own_o question_n in_o some_o of_o your_o reason_n allege_v against_o they_o where_o you_o affirm_v that_o you_o justify_v much_o both_o bear_v and_o forbear_v and_o have_v also_o set_v the_o counsel_n of_o ancient_a father_n before_o they_o to_o teach_v they_o to_o hear_v with_o other_o both_o in_o point_n of_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n wherein_o they_o may_v something_o differ_v from_o that_o which_o be_v common_o receive_v but_o here_o further_o you_o add_v a_o more_o large_a answer_n that_o you_o still_o say_v it_o be_v your_o judgement_n that_o there_o shall_v be_v bear_v in_o many_o difference_n of_o opinion_n and_o practice_n so_o as_o christian_n ought_v not_o to_o judge_v nor_o censure_v one_o another_o nor_o refuse_v communion_n and_o fellowship_n by_o â—ot_n admit_v man_n into_o their_o church_n and_o to_o the_o ordinance_n you_o have_v seem_v all_o this_o while_n to_o be_v afraid_a lest_o they_o shall_v admit_v too_o many_o into_o their_o church_n and_o now_o you_o seem_v to_o say_v it_o be_v the_o fault_n of_o the_o independent_a church_n to_o deny_v communion_n to_o many_o saint_n for_o some_o difference_n in_o judgement_n about_o church-government_n and_o order_n now_o if_o this_o be_v true_a as_o you_o say_v it_o be_v they_o be_v so_o far_o from_o steal_v away_o your_o member_n that_o they_o will_v not_o receive_v they_o into_o fellowship_n if_o there_o be_v difference_n in_o judgement_n *_o popery_n for_o which_o you_o here_o seem_v to_o blame_v they_o and_o therefore_o i_o think_v you_o will_v have_v they_o open_v the_o mouth_n of_o their_o church_n wide_a even_o as_o wide_o as_o you_o but_o the_o scripture_n have_v declare_v that_o the_o gate_n of_o the_o holy_a city_n be_v of_o a_o equal_a wideness_n for_o they_o be_v never_o shut_v rev._n 21._o 25._o and_o yet_o they_o be_v so_o well_o watch_v by_o the_o angel_n of_o god_n even_o the_o minister_n of_o christ_n jesus_n that_o there_o shall_v be_v no_o unclean_a thing_n suffer_v to_o enter_v in_o thereat_o etc._n etc._n *_o 27._o here_o you_o may_v see_v if_o any_o of_o you_o attempt_v to_o come_v in_o who_o be_v so_o ignorant_a and_o scandalous_a and_o spot_a as_o you_o say_v they_o be_v they_o shall_v not_o be_v suffer_v among_o we_o for_o indeed_o they_o be_v fit_a for_o no_o society_n but_o the_o society_n of_o your_o father_n house_n yet_o i_o say_v if_o any_o of_o these_o do_v creepâ—_z in_fw-la it_o be_v through_o the_o neglect_n of_o the_o portor_n which_o the_o lord_n have_v set_v to_o watch_v or_o else_o it_o must_v needs_o be_v by_o their_o cunning_a transfigure_v themselves_o to_o be_v that_o which_o they_o be_v not_o but_o you_o say_v you_o will_v not_o have_v man_n force_v to_o change_v their_o mind_n and_o opinion_n by_o cast_v they_o violent_o out_o of_o the_o ministry_n and_o church_n which_o you_o say_v be_v the_o practice_n of_o many_o in_o these_o late_a time_n and_o have_v cause_v so_o many_o schism_n and_o strife_n among_o you_o 52._o well_o here_o all_o man_n may_v take_v notice_n that_o it_o be_v the_o cruelty_n of_o the_o clergy_n that_o cause_v the_o schism_n and_o strife_n by_o force_v man_n to_o change_v their_o mind_n and_o not_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o separation_n as_o you_o here_o acknowledge_v therefore_o in_o this_o confession_n you_o have_v cross_v the_o tenor_n of_o many_o of_o your_o other_o argument_n as_o that_o the_o separate_v have_v cause_v strife_n in_o the_o three_o kingdom_n and_o that_o they_o have_v make_v the_o rent_n and_o schism_n which_o now_o you_o acknowledge_v to_o be_v do_v by_o they_o that_o force_n man_n to_o change_v their_o mind_n which_o be_v the_o clergy_n of_o england_n further_o you_o say_v that_o you_o approve_v not_o of_o such_o practice_n but_o desire_v to_o be_v a_o follower_n and_o lover_n of_o the_o way_n of_o peace_n and_o communion_n with_o any_o who_o agree_v in_o the_o main_a and_o have_v something_o of_o god_n and_o christ_n in_o they_o i_o answer_v if_o you_o approve_v not_o of_o such_o practice_n i_o hope_v you_o will_v not_o hereafter_o be_v a_o occasion_n to_o move_v magistrate_n to_o force_v man_n to_o change_v their_o mind_n and_o so_o justify_v yourself_o in_o that_o you_o condemn_v in_o other_o for_o you_o confess_v yourself_o that_o though_o these_o independent_a man_n spirit_n be_v grow_v narrow_a even_o close_v up_o from_o you_o yet_o they_o continue_v good_a in_o the_o main_a *_o â—_z and_o then_o sure_o they_o have_v something_o of_o god_n and_o of_o christ_n in_o they_o you_o say_v further_o that_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o ancient_a father_n that_o plead_v for_o bear_v be_v infinite_o please_v to_o you_o i_o answer_v if_o they_o be_v infinite_o please_v to_o you_o i_o hope_v you_o will_v never_o be_v unpleased_a again_o with_o any_o of_o the_o lord_n servant_n about_o keep_v of_o day_n which_o you_o say_v be_v