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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A48822	The late apology in behalf of the papists reprinted and answered in behalf of the royallists	Lloyd, William, 1627-1717.	1673 (1673)	Wing L2684; ESTC R30040	38,961	49

better to conceal Yet all mankinde by a Manifesto on the house door are incouraged to accuse us nor are they upon Oath though your Enemies and ours take all for granted and true What an Ambush you have laid here for the Bishops to have them thought Popish because you Reverence them and Obnoxious in such matters as you say it may be far better to conceal But as in the one your kindness to them is sufficiently understood So they are able to defie your Malice in the other 'T is for a Bishop of Donna Olympia's to need concealment Our Bishops in England are of another make than to hold their Credit at any one's Courtesie For the Manifesto that troubled you what could the Parliament do less when the Complaints of you were great in all parts of the Nation than to Invite men to bring their Grievances to the proper place of Redress But then say you men were not upon Oath for what they said against you What a Hardship was this that the House of Commons would not do that for your sakes which no House of Commons ever did upon any occasion It can not be imagined where there is so many men of heat and youth ever joyned with the happy restauration of their Prince and remembring the insolencies of their Grandees that they should all at all times prudently carry themselves for this would be to be more than men And truly we ecteem it as a particular blessing that God hath not suffered many through vanity or frailty to fall into greater faults than are yet as we understand laid to our charge The King will never be out of your debt if a Jesuite may but keep the reckoning Your old Treasons you put upon the account of his Family and Friends and your late Insolencies upon the score of his most Happy restauration But would you seriously perswade us that at six years distance so many men of heat and youth were still transported with the Joy of that Blessing That there were some fresher causes of this Jollity has been vehemently suspected by many who considered the great Unseasonableness of it in so Calamitous a time while the Fire was ranging in our Metropolis and a French Army lay hovering upon our Coasts Can we chuse but be dismay'd when all things fail that extravagant Crimes are fathered upon us It is we must be the Authors some say of firing the City even we that have lost so vastly by it yet in this our ingenuity is great since we think it no Plot though our Enemy an Hugonot Protestant acknowledged the Fact and was justly Executed for his vain Confession Again if a Merchant of the Church of England buy Knives for the business of his Trade This also is a Papist Contrivance to destroy the well affected There can be nothing charged on you more extravagant than those things were which your Predecessors committed and which here You have taken upon you to justifie or excuse The Particulars of your Charge whatsoever they are we leave to the Consideration of the Parliament where we heartily wish there may appear more Reason on your side than there is to be found in this Apology For as to the Firing of the City if according to your words which we have not hitherto found to be Gospel you have lost so vastly by it yet that will not Acquit you from the suspicion of the Fact in the judgment of any one that considers the Determination of your late Provincial viz. that it is lawful to destroy the Inrocent with the Guilty in order to a greater good And it seems this vast loss goes not near your Heart one would think so by your pleasantness in the very next passage For there you call Hubert your Enemy and a Hugonot Protestant which Hubert after Father Harvey had had him at Confession did indeed affirm himself to be a Protestant but then being askt whether he meant a Hugonot which it seems was beyond his Instruction to say he earnestly denied that as he very well might for he then also declar'd that he believed Confession to a Ptiest was necessary to his salvation and being admonish'd to call upon God he repeated an Ave-Mary which he said was his usual Prayer So that it evidently appears he was neither Hugonot nor Protestant nor Your Enemy upon any account of Religion And yet you being about to avouch this knot of Falshoods are pleased to usher them in with this Preface either in Praise of your Brother Harveys Pious Fraud or of your own Proper Vertue Truly in this our ingenuity is great We must a little complain finding it by experience that by reason you discountenance us the People rage and again because they rage we are the more forsaken by you Assured we are that our conversation is affable and our Houses so many Hospitable receipts to our Neighbours Our acquaintance therefore we fear at no time but it is the stranger we dread that taking all on hear-say zealously wounds and then examines the business when it is too late or is perchance confirmed by another that knows no more of us than he himself T is to you we must make our Applications beseeching you as Subjects tender of our King to intercede for us in the execution and weigh the Dilemma which doubtless he is in either to deny so good a Parliament their requests or else run counter to his Royal Inclinations when he punishes the weak and harmless He that complains without a cause must be heard without redress We only desire to be Safe from those dangers to which your Principles would expose us and against which neither Affableness nor Hospitality will secure us The Protestants of Ireland were never so treated and caressed by their Popish Neighbors as they were the very year before they cut their throats The best Means of our security is that which his Majesty has been pleased to require viz. The discreet Execution of his Laws By which if others shall please to distinguish themselves from the rest by renouncing their disloyal Principles only the disloyal and seditious will be kept weak that they may be harmless Why may we not noble Country-men hope for favour from you as well as French Protestants finde from theirs a greater duty then ours none could express we are sure or why should the United Provinces and other magistrates that are harsh both in mind and manners refrain from violence against our Religion and your tender breasts seem not to harbour the least compassion or pity These barbarous People Sequester none for their Faith but for Transgression against the State Nor is the whole Party involved in the Crime of a few but every man suffers for his own and proper fault Do you then the like and he that offends let him dye without Mercy And think alwayes I beseech you of Cromwels Injustice who for the Actions of some against his pretended Laws drew thousands into decimation even ignorant of the thing

not mingle designs with him for fear of hindering one another But Watson miscarried with his Plot and the Jesuites went on with theirs They absolv'd the Conspirators of the Guilt and extenuated the Danger of their design they perswaded them how highly Beneficial it would be in the Consequences of it they gave them their Oath by the Holy Trinity and the Sacrament which they did then receive that none of them should reveal it to any other or withdraw himself from it without common consent and for the pittiful scruple of destroying the Innocent with the Guilty Garnet answered they might lawfully do it in order to a greater good Yet it seems there was a spark of Humanity in some of them which the Divinity of this Casuist had not quite extinguish't as appear'd either by the absenting of some Lords that were afterward fined for it in the Star-Chamber or certainly by that Letter of warning to my Lord Monteagle which was the happy occasion of the Discovery of the whole Treason In Warwick-shire where the Princess Elizabeth then was they had appointed a meeting under the pretence of a Hunting-Match to seize upon her the same day in which the King and his Male Issue were to have been destroyed There met about fourscore of them which was a number sufficient for that business But the news of the Discovery coming among them they were so dismayed at it that they desisted from their enterprize and fled into Stafford-shire where the Countrey being raised against them they were some of them kill'd and the rest taken and those which were left alive of the prime Conspirators were sent up to London and there Executed This is the plain story now let us see how you colour it Now for the Fifth of November with hands lifted up to Heaven we abominate and detest What is it that you abominate and detest That day which is the Festival of our Deliverance We can believe you without your hands lifted up to Heaven Or mean you the Treason which was to have been acted upon that day why then do you not speak out and call it so For if you cannot afford to call it Treason it is not the lifting up of your hands that can make us believe you do heartily abominate and detest it And from the bottom of our hearts say that may they fall into irrecoverable Perdition who propagate that Faith by the Blood of Kings which is to be planted in truth and meekness only It was a good caution of a Philosopher to the Son of a common Woman that he should not throw stones among a multitude for fear of hitting his Father You might have had that caution when you threw out this curse for your Father the Pope stands fairest for it of all men that we know in the World But let it not displease you Men Brethren and Fathers if we ask whether Ulysses be no better known or who hath forgot the Plots Cromwel framed in his Closet not only to destroy many faithful Cavaliers but also to put a lustre upon his Intelligence as if nothing could be done without his knowledg Even so did the then great Minister who drew some few Desperadoes into this Conjuration and then discovered it by a Miracle Having spit and wip't your mouth now you make your speech And it begins with a mixture of Apostle and Poet to shew what we are to expect from you namely with much Gravity much Fiction and so far you do not go about to deceive us The scope of your speech is to make the world believe that your Catholicks were drawn into this Plot by Secretary Cecil You are so wise that you do not offer to prove this but you would steal it into us by an example that we are concerned in As Cromwel trepann'd many faithful Cavaliers even so Cecil drew in some few Desperadoes Comparisons they say are odious But to the business First admitting your Fiction as if it were true that Cecil did draw in those wretches into this Treason Was it ever the less Treason because he drew them into it For according to your own supposition they did not know that they were drawn in by him But they verily thought that they had followed their own Guides and they zealously did according to their own Principles They did what they would have done if there had been no Cecil in the world provided there had been a Devil in his room to have put it into their heads For your excuse only implies that they had not the Wit to invent it But their progress in it shews that they wanted not the Malice to have executed it So that according to your own illustration As those faithful Cavaliers whom Cromwel drew in had their Loyalty abused were nevertheless Faithful still so those Powder-Traitors whom you say Cecil drew in had their Disloyalty outwitted and were nevertheless Traitors still For as well in the one case as in the other this very thing that they could be drawn in is a clear demonstration that they were before-hand sufficiently Disposed for it Secondly When you have considered the absurdity of your excuse for your friends you may do well to think of an excuse for your Self For that which you affirm of Cecil's having drawn them into this Plot is a very groundless and impudent Fiction and you are properly the Author of it For though others perhaps may have spoken this in raillery yet you are the first that we know of that has asserted it in Print Pray Sir whence had you this tale By what Tradition did you receive it Or had you some new Revelation of the Causes threescore years after the Fact For 't is plain that King James knew nothing of it Bellarmin and his fellow Apologists in that Age never pretended it The parties themselves neither at their Tryal nor at their Execution gave any intimation of it Can you tell us which of the Conspirators were Cecil's Instruments to draw in the rest Or can you think he was so great an Artist that he could perswade his Setters to be hang'd that his Art might not be suspected For 't is well known that he sav'd not any of those wretches from suffering And they which did suffer charged none other but themselves in their Confessions Particularly Father Garnet said before Doctor Overal and divers others that he would give all the World if it were his to clear his Conscience or his Name from that Treason These are strong presumptions of the Negative but you ought to have proved your Affirmative or at least to have offered something toward it For if barely to say this be enough then here is an excuse indifferently calculated for all Treasons in the world that miscarry and if they prosper who dares call them Treasons Here is a never failing Topick for any one that would write an Apology in behalf of any Villany whatsoever For if the Traitors be discover'd by any kind of accident this