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A10875 Differences in matters of religion, betweene the easterne and westerne churches VVherein the Romane Church may see her selfe charged with as many errours, as shee falsly layeth to the charge of other churches in Europe. Gathered by Irenæus Rodoginus. Rodoginus, Irenaeus. 1625 (1625) STC 21141; ESTC S116064 28,860 89

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if they be dishonoured how are they Christs 5. They celebrate Masse in the morning a time not appointed by the Catholicke Church 6. One and the same Priest celebrateth Masse twise or thrise a day either on the same Altar or on another and againe many Priests successiuely vpon the same Altar 7. They contemne the Liturgie made by Saint Chrysostome 8. In the Lent they say Masse euery day The thirteenth Article is Confirmation as the words of the Index beare reiected by the Greciās The words are these When the Baptized is come to age and is now subiect to actuall sinne they annoynt him with Oyle for remission of sins and so they seeme to baptize twice The fourteenth Article is in Baptisme they Baptize with once dipping pronouncing these words In the Name of the Father Sonne and Holy Ghost They baptize onely with water and they annoynt him that is to bee baptized with Spittle powred out vpon the palme of the left hand and againe taking it in the right hand they anoynt the baptized with it neither receiue they from the Catholike Church the appoynted oyntment The fifteenth Article is concerning Ordination Bishops at euery occasion consecrate not the Cleargie and Bishops but seldome in the yeare and superstitiously keepe set dayes in the weeke at the Equinoctialls and Solstices that is in the Spring Summer Haruest and Winter in March and September Iune and December and that in the first weeke of March but in the rest of the moneths on the fourth day they ordaine Priests and Deacons with others of the Clergy but vpon Saterday they ordaine Bishops and others of the higher Orders The Successour of the dead Pope is chosen after this manner The Synod chooseth him and bringeth him to the dead the * The liuing is the whole the dead the halfe viz a carkase Calumnie whole to the halfe and taking the dead Popes hand they put it vpon the necke of the liuing Pope and this they thinke to bee the Vnction and Consecration of the Successour who incontinent offereth sacrifice for the safetie of the dead Pope and thereafter hee stoutly and couragiously taketh the pontificall Offices vpon him as if hee were lawfully annoynted The sixteenth Article is Marriage they make vnlawfull marriages for two brethren marry two sisters and when one in the Latin Church giueth his Daughter in marriage to any man he againe asketh the daughter of him * Consoceri that is Father in Law to his Daughter for his Sonne brother or kinsman 2. They shut vp all Priests and Deacons from marriage by their Lawes and they hold it an abomination to receiue the Sacrament from a married Priest 2. If any married man be initiated in Priest-hood or Deaconship he must quit his wife and leaue her and this by a very strict Law they command to be kept in all the prouinces subiect vnto them but many were amongst them who vilipended this Law and married a second wife after the death of the first and so some married the third and yet they remained still in their sacred Office 4. There are many Churchmen amongst them who commit whordome and all kind of vncleanesse most securely without punishment taking their whores in the night time to their chambers and letting them againe depart being vailed neither doe they account this to be an act of vncleanesse but only an idle dreame or apparition Thus farre they accuse the Latines doctrine and Sacraments now follow the errours which they impute to them in their manners 1. The first errour in manners and ceremonies not so essentiall to the substance of Religion as they hold the rest is this Their Priests vse a certaine purging and washing which serues as they say for remission of sinnes and yet it is meerely Iudaisme 2. Their principall Bishops entring to their Masse in a Procession haue little naked children going before them whom they sprinckle with water affirming that this maketh them inuincibly strong in warrs 3. They vse the holy Eucharist most negligently Here there is some Calumny for going to the fields or countrey they carry it without light and giue it to the people without light and those fellowes that follow the warres carry it in their burse or put it vp after such a fashion 4. In the summer solstice they gather the bones of impure beasts as Asses Dogges and such like they burne them and put the ashes of them in water affirming that they serue for the purging and expiation of those persons whom they sprinckle with them In the beginning of Lent which is the fourth day called Wednesday with these ashes mingled with water they sprinckle all the Priests that come on the forehead and face thinking thereby to giue aide and helpe to their fast It is reported that they mingle these ashes with the bread that they eate O how great and how strange an abhomination is this 5. Vpon Easter day being the Lords day they kill a Lambe and roast it they bring it vnto the Altar and then to their Table Which Ceremonies being finished they eate the flesh of the Lambe and burne the bones and keepe the ashes all the yeare long to sprinckle those whom they would haue to be blessed They kill and are killed they commit murther how then can their Priests with those bloody hands offer the mysticall body and blood of Christ 6. Vpon the Lords passion day they build the Lords Tombe within the Church with common and base cloathes ordained for quotidian vse and running to this Tombe they worship it no lesse than if it were that same Tombe wherein the Lords body was laid Afterwards euery man pulleth to him his owne cloathes againe and vseth them for couering of his body sanctifying a prophane thing and prophaning that which is holy and so pull downe that Tombe like a prophane Stage which a little before was so worshipped by them sporting with things which are not matters of ieasting like little children building cabinets of straw which a little after they beate downe 7. They vse the Altar in stead of their common Table and the linnen belonging to the same which from the sacrifice they bring to their supper and from their supper to the Sacrifice againe 8. Any man that pleaseth may approach to the Altar yea when the action is in hand and that without regard of Sexe Age or Order and Layicks sit with Priests and other holy Orders yea they plead Actions at the Altar Sometimes the same Layicks carry Spurres vpon their heeles and carrying rods in their hands they keepe a foule noise Yea before the Altar they are bold euen to doe those things which they doe in the commonest Court in all the Country Sometimes women sit in the Chaire of a Bishop for those that among the Latins are most eminent in piety can no bettter discerne holy things from prophane Yea which is worse they suffer Dogges to enter into the Church and when the Priest is a sacrificing and celebrating the
disgracefully with thornes and not Peter or else Peter is put for Christ for fewe are so mad to ascribe so much honor to Peter but no Grecian of Antiochia I am sure Wee also beare a Crowne on our heads for the honour without doubt of Peter Prince of the Apostles vpon whom the Church was built for what those wicked men inuented to the reproach of that holy One wee doe piously to his glory and honour the Romanes shauing their beards wee bearing our Crowne vpon our heads * * To wit Antiochians Wee also are adorned with gold our Gloues our Handkerchiefes and our Stoles are imbroydered with gold Whereas they eat vncleane things and their Monkes eate flesh and hogges grease if thou wilt enquire diligently thou shalt find that some of vs doe the like for the Bethinians Lydes and Thracians eate the Pye little Crowes Turtles and earth Conies the vse of which our Fathers left to vs as indifferent for there is none of Gods creatures to bee reiected but all are to bee receiued with thankesgiuing which wee learne of that great vessell of linnen which came downe from heauen for as Basil saith In hearbes and rootes that which is hurtfull wee separate from the rest so in flesh wee make distinction betweene profitable and hurtfull for Hemlocke is an hearbe as the Rauen is flesh c. Whereas they eate strangled and two Brethren marry two Sisters I beleeue these things are done without the Popes permission c. In Constantinople and with vs also thou shalt finde many such things done c. See therefore my very venerable Lord how wee neglecting many things which are done amisse amongst our selues are too curious to prie into other mens businesse whilest wee should bee reforming our owne Errours I will not dispute now whether Petrus euer wrote such a Letter but surely this I must speake Cum omnium piorum bona venia the Letter smelleth of Mildnesse and Charitie and would to God the Romane Church and Baronius would vse the aduise of this Writer in dealing with the rest of the Churches of Europe it would saue much Christian blood from being shed in Europe now adayes And as we haue seene the strictnesse of the Greekish humours against all the Westerne Churches and seeing the Reformed Churches now adayes are in many of these points culpable also by their iudgement so now let vs heare what things the Latins doe obiect agaist them on the other side and that as they are collected by Master Hugo Aetherianus so neere as we can 1. The Latins obiect to them their capricious pride who would draw all the world to Greekish Ceremonies Caleca lib. 4. rebuketh this in them 2. They eate leauened bread in the Eucharist 3. Vpon Easter day when the people is to communicate their preparation is cold they consecrate too much and which is not tollerable they burne the reliques 4. They dippe the Bread in Wine and giue it to the Communicants in a spone 5. Their Deacons being promoued take wiues for feare they lose their dignitie which is against the tenth Canon of the Nycen Synod 6. Their Priests are men of blood for the most part which we our selues did see following the Emperour through Capadocia the Persian Regions 7. Their Princes make the Priests stand by them at their banquets taking their due honour from them 8. For little or very light causes they whippe their Clergie with ropes as if they were Pagans 9. Their Bishops are right in Simon Magus estate for they giue no Churches without money no Orders without their hands bee full no Christian buriall without money 10. Their Patriarchs Archbishops and Priests as it was in the Primitiue Church with hereticks are all promoued by Layicks Also the third Canon of the Synod which the Grecians call the seuenth great Councell maketh all such promotion of none effect 11. They deny the procession of the holy spirit from the Sonne They fast but one Saturday in the whole yeare * Saturday before Easter called Sanctū Sabbatum Mans nature from the beginning is set on euill but the Grecians gut contendeth with its ruine they keepe no dyet in eating They scarsely fast seuen dayes in the whole Lent yea in the whole yeare for in all their fasting they eate their Supper except on fiue dayes in Lent and that in the begining of their weeke and on the holy Sabbath and on the Eue of the Epiphanie They cut away the great weeke from the Lent so their fast is but sixe weekes from the which sixe weekes if thou takest the sixe Sundayes with the sixe Saturdayes scarce is their fast but thirty daies for on Sundayes and Saturdayes they fast not 12. Their Monkes liuing without the Monastaries like beasts are found in the streets eating fruite or any meate drawing it out of their bosom as out of a chest or coffin They goe to Tauernes they haue not all common in one bursse but euery one hath his owne none of their Monkes shaue which is directly against the Apostle who saith 1 Cor. 11.14 Si comam nutriat c. If a man vse long hayre it is a reproach vnto him they diuide their haire on their foreheads like women 13. Women leauing their naturall ornament adorne themselues with the haires of the dead which is directly against the words of Peter in his first Epistle 3. Chap. 3. verse Let no women vse imbrodered haire or borrowed c. Women paint themselues with purpure and white fard or painting and when the Husband displeaseth the Wife or the Wife the Husband they goe before the Pretor of the City and so laying downe their Instruments and cutting their girdles they choose where they list other Mates against Christs owne Canon quod Deus coniunxit c. That which God hath ioyned let no man seperate 14. In their houses they haue little Cabbines in which they place the Images of Saints they giue them all worship with Lamps Waxe Incense and they suffer the Synod at Churches no become a wildernes they celebrate Masse in their bed-Chambers for the most part 15. The Priest sayes Masse at three of the Clocke hauing almost no Auditours except his wife or his Child and so when hee sayes pax vobis hee sayes it commonly to the bare walls 16. The Priests wiues come to the Altar and doe the office of a Deacon they take the bread from the Altar or any other thing euen to their ordinary vse 17. On all Sundayes and Sabbaths of Lent they say Masse and make the Lords body but on the rest of the daies they regard it not except vpon an vrgent occasion vsing only prae sanctificatis in the Lent they altogether omit Deus Dominus illuxit nobis which they sing in the rest of the yeare 18. The Priests haue long beards after the manner of the Iewes which when they drink the Lords blood are drenched with it They eate strangled blood they feed Hogs with mans blood 19.