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A02912 An advertisement or admonition, unto the congregations, vvhich men call the new fryelers in the lowe Countries, wrirten [sic] in Dutche. And publiched in Englis. VVherein is handled 4. principall pointes of religion. 1. That Christ tooke his flesh of Marie, haveing a true earthly, naturall bodie, 2. That a Sabbath or day of rest, is to be kept holy everie first day of the weeke. 3. That ther is no succession, nor privilege to persons in the holie thinges. 4. That magistracie, being an holy ordinance of God, debarreth not anie from being of the Church of Christ. After these followes certen demandes concerning Gods decree of salvation and condemnation. Helwys, Thomas, 1550?-1616? 1611 (1611) STC 13053; ESTC S116912 57,734 190

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AN ADvertisement or admonition unto the Congregations vvhich men call the New Fryelers in the lowe Countries written in Dutche And Publiched in Englis VVherein is handled 4. Principall pointes of Religion 1. That Christ tooke his Flesh of Marie haveing a true earthly naturall bodie 2. That a Sabbath or day of rest is to be kept holy everie First day of the weeke 3. That ther is no Succession nor privilege to persons in the holie thinges 4. That Magistracie being an holy ordinance of God debarreth not anie from being of the Church of Christ After these followes certen demandes concerning Gods decree of salvation and condemnation Pro. 9.8 Rebuke the wyse and they will love thee Pro. 29.1 They that harden their neck vvhen they are rebuked shall suddenly be destroyed and cannot be cured Printed 1611. To Hans de Ries Reynier VVy-Brantson and the Congregations where of they are HAveing long desired to publish our Faith vnto this nation and in perticuler vnto those congregations wherof you are as wee have formerly done to our owne Nation and also to make knowne the thinges wherein you and wee differ and are opposite VVee have now through the mercie of God thus farr brought our desires to passe being onely vnsatisfied for our owne insufficiency that wee are no better able to manifest your errors unto you wee have divers causes from good grounds to do this wee have done First because we are bound to discover the misterie of iniquitie by all good meanes that wee can and in the cupp that she hath filled to vs to fill hir the duble Secondly that wee might through the grace of God if your willing minds be thereunto be instrumentes of good vnto you herein the rather because you haue bene instrumēts of good in discovering divers of our erors unto us which wee acknowledg to the praise of God with thāk full harts to you Now in that wee do this by way of opposition and reproofe publiquely wch you did by instruction privately for our defence herein wee answere you came publiquely amongst us and advanced your error of Succession and order From the proportion of the scriptures and have destroyed the faith of manie therbye who for sinister respect were willinge to followe you wee have d●ltt divers times with divers of yoe privately but you have lightly regarded our loveing admonitions esteeming all as nothinge wee have faced some of you goeing on in your sinne seeking to make this people one with you who are iustly cutt of From God and his people for their falling avvay from Grace VVe have writtē privately to the vvhole congregation you are of to prevent you in that evill vvee have vvritten particulerly unto you H. de R. but all is in vaine in that you esteeme the truth vvee professe and us herein as vaine Thus are wee constrained for the defence of the truth of God wee professe and that vvee may not seeme to justifie you in your evills and to make it knovvne unto all that vvee have good cause to differ From you to publish these thinges in this manner as vvee do and that it may appeare vnto all and to your consciences that vvee have stronge grounds for ch●● thinges vvherein vvee differ From you though vvee be vveake to the mainteynance of them If anie shal oppose part or all of that is Heere vvritten vvee d●●e this equal kindnes that it may be set over into ●lish For all our understandings as vvee have caused 〈◊〉 to be set over into dutch for all yours and if there because of Replye vvee vvill by the assistance of God 〈◊〉 were vvithall the abilyty vvherevvith God shall make us able Fare you vvell Peace and love vvith Faith From God and From our Lord Iesus Christ be with all ●m that are in Christ Iesus Amen Thomas Helvvys THe Holie vvriter Iohn in the second of the Revelation vvritinge to the Church of Pargamus one of the Seaven Churches in Asia vvriteth thus vers 14. I have a fevv thinges aganist thee because thou ●aist them there that mainteyne the doctrine of Baalam and Vers 15. Even soo haist thou also them that maintayne the doctrine of the Nicholaitanes vvhich thinge I hate And vvriting to the Church of Thyatira ver 20. he saith I have a fevv thinges against thee that thou sufferest the wooman Iesabell In all vvch the holy man of God teacheth this that it is great impietie for anie Church of Christ to suffer anie false Teachers or anie False doctrine to be mainteyned by anie that are amongst them and if they do and repent not the lord that hats wickednes asmuch now as ever vvill certenly come against them vvith the same iudgments there threatned in his vvord And there fore wee in love fore-warne you that professe your selves to be the Church of Christ and yet have heare us with patience so manie doctrines of devills professed and mainteyned amongst you that you repent least the Lord rise up in wrath against you vvee speake not by reports but of our ovvne knovvledg haveing heard vvith our owne eares and seene vvith our owne ●e●es the thinges vvhereof vvee shall by Gods assistance speake Of Christs Flesh The First matter wee will speake to you is wherein your iniquitie doth greatly abound that you have amongst you that deny Christ to have taken Flesh of Mary some holding that he brought it from heaven and some not knowing from whence hee brought it both w●ich destroy the Faith of Christ who are such as Thapostle 2. Pet. 2 1. Speaketh of which privily bring in damnable herisies even denying the Lord that hath bought them To say somethinge to the First that hold that he brought it from heaven that the grossnes of their black error may appeare The ground of scriptures testifie that that which is from heaven is heavenly therefore if Christ brought his Flesh from heaven thē he must have had a heavenly body in that there can come nothinge from heaven but that which is heavēly and Thapostle 1. Cor. 15. saith of heavenly bodyes They are glorious they are not weake but of power they are spirituall they are ●mortall Now in that Christs bodie was mortall and died it was not a heavenly glorious spi●ituall powerfull bodie but was an earthly naturall weake body and had the same infirmities that our bodies have sinne excepted as is shewed Heb. 4.15 For wee have not an high Priest that cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmeties but was in all thinges tempted in like sort yet without sinne as also Chap. 5.2 which is able sufficiently to have compassion on them that are ignorant a●d that are out of the way because that he also is compassed with infirmitie And his infirmities appeare in that he was hungrie Mat. 4 2. He was weary Ioh. 4.6 He was trobled and his soule was in great heavin● Mat. 14.33.34 And he confesteth his Flesh is weake Mat. 26.41 All these infirmieties nor anie infirmitie could not come from
able to stand before 〈…〉 their spirituall gracious lordshipps and dignities so called and so directly against his word and will Oh that these thinges were not hid frō their eies And they that professe a Prebitarie who though they beare not such high names and titles as the rest et by their ruleing power auctoritie which by all meanes they seeke to enlarge if they take not ●eed their sinne against this rule of Christ wil be found little lesse then anie And if wee speake sparingly of you that professe an Eldership thinke not you nor lett it be thought of anie that wee do it either because wee are partiall or because your deserts are not fullie evill enough for the lord knowes wee knowe in part and would to god you knewe your selves that your iniquitie is great herein in your seeking and holding superioritie over the congregations whereof you are and that partly by auctoritie partly by humblenes of mynd seekeing to beare rule over the people of god If by this our loveing advertisement anie of all you of whome wee have spoken be provoked to evill you shall therein greatly increase your owne judgments for the lord knowes wee speake it not to provoke you to evill but to provoke you to repentance before the great evill day come wherein as for all sinne so perticulerly especially for this sinne the lord will have ast●ct accompt if there be not repentance wee say especially for this sinne because this sinne of seeking superioritie rule auctoritie hath doth vtterly destroy all sincere and holy profession of the gospell keeping in captivitie bondage the consciences of men overthrowing the strongest that resist and treading the weake vnder foote stopping vp the way of life and men hereby takeing vpon them to have in their b●ds onely the keyes of the kingdome of heaven To retaine perticulerly vnto you to whome wee first intended to speake take you heed least whilst you set your selves by your opinion against Magistrats being of the kingdome of Christ you have in the meane time set vp a power and aucthoritie of your owne and so your second error be as evill as your first To put an end to this your first ground If this example which our Saviour Christ bring of Kinges Rulers and great men because he saith it shall not be so amongst you that is you shall not be like them It from these words you will yet hold that Magistrats may not be of the kingdome of heaven and of the Church Then you must also hold except you will shewe your selves void of all vnderstanding that our Saviour Christ in the same cause and vpon the same occasion bringing an example of a little child and saieing it shall be so among you you shal be like this little child you most then hold that little children may be of the kingdome of Christ and of the Church ffor if where Christ saith Be not like debarr out them that are brought for the example then where he saith Be like must needs admitt in them that art brought for the example So then they that from this ground will admitt infants in let them see if they have anie sight that they debarr Magistrats out And you that debarr Magistrats out by this ground must admitt infants in ffor they are examples of direct cōtraritie produced for one the same thinge Therefore they that debarr out both and they that admitt both make thinges that are direct contrary to be a like which is the most vniust and false vnderstanding that can be in men Let vs therefore the rather prevaile with you to looke to your waies herein and reconcile your selves to the word of truth And marke well the words of our Saviour Christ concerning this point Mat. 18.4 who soever shall humble himself as this little child the same is greatest in the kingdome of heaven and vers 3. they that are converted and become as little children shall enter into the kingdome of heaven heere is no exception of persons but Kings and Princes and all great men if they be converted and become as little children and humble them selves they may enter in and be greatest in the kingdome of heaven not by their princely power but by their humilitie which wee vnfainedly wish that all Kings Princes and Rulers would see that not their greatnes power nor aucthoritie doth anie thinge at all advance them to or in the kingdome of heaven but it is their convertion and humilitie But your opinion leads you to this that they cannot be converted except first they cast away their Magistracie This is of truth your ground a most woefull ground if you could see the footestepps of it for if it be so that they cannot be converted except they cast away their Magistracie then is their Magistracie sinne and if their magistracie be sinne then is all their administration wherein they administer by power and vertue thereof sinne who shal be able to contradict this which way shall all the device of men Angells be able to avoid it but that if Magistrats cannot be converted to God that is Repent and beleeve except they cast away their Magistracie then is their magistracie sinne for their is nothinge but sinne that hinders faith and repentance Do you that hold this fearefull opinion yet see into what straytes you are brought that you have no way to turne yourselves if there be anie grace or love of God in you humble your selves vnto the dust before the lord and his people and proclame your repentance which that you may yet further be provoked vnto see the hight of your sinne so farr as wee in our great weakenes are by the mercie of god able to shew you wherein by reason of our so great weaknes wee must needs exceedingly faile and come short but yet to the vttermost that by the grace of god wee shal be able wee will endeavour to be faithfull to god and you heerein wee demaund cannot Magistrats Repent beleeve so be received or enter into the kingdome of heaven except they cast away their Magistratie you professe hold they cannot why then is their Magistracie sinne all that they do by the power thereof is sinne If this be so then hath the most holy righteous mercifull iust god the god of all power geven power from himself appointed an ordināce of Magistracie by vertue of which power given from god Magistrats do administer and are comaunded of god to judg righteous judgment To punish the wicked in justice to reward or praise the wel doers in mercie and all this say you is sinne And all this doth god give them power aucthoritie and comaundement to do and in all this they are his ministers doeing his will yet not with standing all this is sinne for if by reason of their Magistracie retayning it they cannot be converted that is Repent beleeve then is their Magistracie sinne and then all that