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A68136 A letter vvritten by a true Christian Catholike, to a Romaine pretended Catholike Wherein vppon occasion of controuersie touching the Catholike Church the 12. 13. and 14. Chap. of the Reuelations are breifly and trulie expounded. Which conteine the true estate thereof, from the birth of Christ, to the end of the world. Herbert, William, Sir, 1553?-1593. 1586 (1586) STC 12752.5; ESTC S112797 52,029 90

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but also doe adore the image without any kinde of scruple whatsoeuer yea and doe honor the same with that worship wherewith the thing or person thereby represented is to be honored And by Andradius the late defender of the Tridentine counsell whose workes are seene and allowed by the Romishe church Non inficiamur saith he hac nos latriae adoratione Christi praeclarissimam crucem colere venerari We denie not that we worship and honor the moste excellent crosse of Christ with this adoration of greatest honor worship but both the crosse of Christ and the image of the trinity and al other images are creatures therefore our conclusion is strong and certaine that the church of Rome is not the catholik church Infinite arguments to this purpose might be drawne and euerie of them in effecte demonstratiue but the matter so cleere these few may suffice Let vs then examine sith it is not the catholike church whether it be a catholik church in that sense that the word catholik is imitatiuely taken for soūd and sinceere that is whether it be a pure and perfect member of the catholike church It is very sure and certeine that sometime it hath bene a verye notable member and as it were a right arme an ayde confort and ornament to the rest of the partes but the question is what it is at this present and for manye yeeres hath beene whether now it be a sound member of the catholike churche or no for the deciding heereof wee can haue no better or more manifeste tryall then by the doctrine that it teacheth by the sacraments that it administreth by the prayers that it vseth and by the discipline that it exerciseth and heerein we come to the firste point that controleth your second proposition As in the body of a man so long as any principall member as the arme or the leg hath the bone vncrushed vnperished or vnwrested the flesh and muscles vnbrused vninfected and vnhurte the veins sinewes and arteries neither ouerstretched distorted or shrunke the skinne vnannoied vnexulcerated vnimpeached we terme and accompt it a sound member But if in any of these points it be defectiue rekon it vnsound in that proportion and degree that the nature and qualitie of the defect is of So in the body of the church as long as any member or particuler church as the Church of Rome the Church of Antioch the Church of England the Church of Fraunce hath the worde of God whiche resembleth the bone or pith vppon the whiche it ought to growe and depende vnperished vnwrested and vncorrupted the praiers and supplications which are as it were the flesh and muscles of it wherewith it ought to be filled and replenished vnwasted and vnconsumed with atheisme and securitie and vnpoysoned and vninfected with Idolatry and superstition The holy sacraments which represent the veynes sinewes and arteries wherewith it is both norished vnited vnmāgled vndisordred and vnstrayned and the discipline which is like to the skinne that enuironeth compasseth and defendeth the rest vnexulcerated and vnenflamed with the tumors of tiranny or cankers of couetousnesse or otherwise vnstained with iniquity we are to tearme and accompt it a sounde member of the catholike churche and so much the lesse sounde by how much the more it is in any of these pointes defectiue or euill affected If wee cast this leuell ouer the Romaine churche shall not wee soone discouer howe crooked and corrupt it is and howe much it hath swarued from the vprightnesse and sinceritie wherein it was first established The holy Scriptures it hath not onelye corrupted and wrested as by infinite examples might be shewed but also depriued of force and strength where it ought to haue depended of the Scriptures it maketh the scripture depend of it And whereas the sense of the holy ghost is sure certaine and immutable it maketh it variable and alterable according to the temporary practise of that church This shall you finde in the epistle of Cardinall Cusanus no lesse blasphemously then barbarously recorded The Sacrament of the Lords supper it hath mangled into a half communion and a priuat Masse disordred with the monstrous fantasie of transubstantiation and thereby altered the commemoration to an adoration the Sacrament to a Sacrifice propiciatorye The sacrament of Baptisme it hath pestered if not polluted with manye superstitious and superfluous ceremonies The names and dignitye of sacramentes it hath strayned and stretched to other things contrarye to their nature The prayers and supplications which ought only to bee made vnto God and so made vnto God as the congregation may both in vnderstanding and deuocion ioyne with them and saye Amen It hath what with inuocation of Saints what with worshipping of images what with a strange and vnknowne language made either impious or vnprofitable The discipline which should keep all things in order and frame in it is altogether stained with ambition and couetousnesse finally it is a member so ful of corruption so swolne with pride and so envenomed with ambitiō that it perswadeth the world that it is the body and that all the rest of the partes are but members of it and that whatsoeuer parte is not like it is corrupt and carying vppon it the Romaine Byshop as a most pestilent vlcer it saith that is the head to which all other partes must submit and subiect themselues And is it not then rightlye to bee iudged an vnsound member and an vnsincere Examine in like sort any other particuler church Do it vprightly and sincerely and it shal make manifest vnto you whether it be a sounde or vnsounde member of the catholike church and if vnsound in what degree proportion and measure it is so to bee iudged and accompted These therefore are perfect and pregnant sayings which can neuer deceaue you if the lampe of eternal light Gods holy and heauenly worde beare any credite or authoritye with you for by that shall you knowe whether the doctrine of any church be pure or impure whether the Sacraments be rightly or otherwise administred whether the praiers be godlye and religiously or Idolatrously and superstitiouslye made and vsed whether the discipline be sincere and perfect or disorderly and corrupt and in this we fall to the second point that aunswereth your second proposition If the doctrine of any church is conformable to the doctrine of the Patriarkes the Prophets the Apostles whose doctrine and documents the holye scripture layeth downe it is to be iudged sound and sincere and so much the lesse sounde be how muche it more swarueth from their faith and doctrine If the Sacraments in any church bee ministred according to their firste institution and vse which the holy scriptures doth declare they are to be accompted rightly and duely administred If prayers in any church be vsed according to that forme manner purpose and intent that the godlye of all ages testified in the scriptures did vse and exercise they are to be reckoned
good Lord more and more to consume her and shortlye to abolish her with thy moste glorious comming and in the meane tyme O Lord thunder into the innermoste eare of the deafe papistes the threatninges of thy thirde Aungell that if any man worship Antichrist his romish church made to the Image and representation of the olde Romayne Empire and receaue his Character or doctrine in his forehead and in his hande that is in his fayth and practise in his conceite and conuersation to be both beleeued and boulstered with his counsel and execution the same shall drinke of the Wine of the wrath of God yea of the pure wine which is powred into the Cup of his wrath and shal bee tormented in fire and brimstone before the holy angels and before thee and the smoke of their tormentes shall ascende for euermore That with the consideration hereof they may be strooken in conscience harken vnto thy voyce go out of her my people that you be not partakers in her sinnes that you receaue not of her plagues and for that O Lorde a tyme and space is required for the vtter consuming of this hideous body of antichrist during the which he and his adherentes repining at thy trueth and iudgementes with all rage and rancor maligne and persecute thy chosen and faythfull Indue vs O Lord with patience in all troubles and afflictions giue vs grace to keepe thy Commaundementes and make vs feruent and fruitefull in thy fayth and what so euer euent thou shalte giue vnto our troubles in this worlde yea though it bee thy will that the force or furie of Antichrist preuayle agaynst the mortall bodyes and worldelye estate of our selues or of our brethren yet let that thy heauenlye voyce styll recomforte our soules Blessed are the dead which hereafter dye in the Lorde euen so sayth the Spirite for they reste from theyr laboures and theyr workes followe them Wee knowe and acknowledge O Lambe of eternall light that with thee is true rest voyde of labour true life voyde of death true felicitie voyde of all trouble and miserie Wee knowe also that our workes which thorow thy grace we do according to thy wil go not before vs to make our way and passage into heauen which thy bloud and merites only haue done but that thither by thy great goodnes and fauour they followe vs to receiue reward at thy bounteous and liberall hand Lastlye for that the tyme of thy fynall iudgement doth approach and thy Aungels are shortly to be sent to reape the haruest of the earth and to cut downe the vynes of the vyneyarde thereof endue vs O Lorde with thy grace instruct vs in thy trueth that as pure Corne wee maye bee gathered into the Barnes of thy euerlasting blisse and neither as tares or wicked weedes bee throwne into the furnace of eternall fyre nor as the vngratious grapes full of vylenesse and vanytye bee cast into the Wnepresse of thy wrath which shal be trode without the citie that is executed without thy kingdome for without shalbe doggs and enchanters and whoremongers and murtherers and Idolaters and whosoeuer loueth or maketh lyes the bloud shall come euen to the horse bridles the tortures and tormentes shall reach from the meanest man to the mightiest monarch that for the space of a 1600 furlonges which is for euer and euer for rightlye may that square number of foure times foure intimate vnto vs eternitie And syth O thou second Adam and restorer of mankind thy church hath since thy natiuitie walked here on earth nowe neere sixtene hundred yeres as it were 1600 furlongs which is in hundreds of yeres proportionable to the time that was betweene the first Adam and the floud of Noe strike into our heartes with thy remembring spirite a deepe impression of thy comming that it be not with vs as in the days before the floud wherin they did eate and drinke and marrie and gaue in marriage and knewe nothing till the flould came and tooke them all away but that casting away all carelesnes and securitie we may like wise and faithfull seruantes be founde watchfull readie and diligent in fulfilling of thy will and doing of our duties earnestly praying and dayly expecting for thy comming that thou our Lorde and master so finding vs being the author and fountaine of all blessednesse mayst truely make vs blessed Come Lord Iesus Let thy mightie hande and out stretched arme O Lorde be still our defence thy mercy louing kindnes in Iesus Christ the deare sonne our saluatiō thy true and holy worde our instruction thy grace and holy spirite our comfort and consolation vnto the ende and in the end Annotations WHereas in the tenth verse of the xiij Chapter mention is made of a beast rysing vppe out of the earth hauing two hornes like the Lambe but speaking like the Dragon wee expounded the earth to be the Church militant so taking it in the better part as conferred and layde opposite to the sea from whence the former beast did proceede taking the sea for gentilisme and the earth for Christianisme Jf it shall better please any to take the earth in that place in the worser part then doth it signifie corruption superstition terrestriall appetites and earthly conceiptes of heauenly matters and in whether soeuer part the worde be interpreted the designation of the person there expressed is the same and receiueth no alteration Whereas in the thirde verse of the xiij Chapter there beeing mention made that one of the seauen heades of the Romaine Empire was as it were wounded to death but the deadly wounde thereof was healed we there expounde that heade to be Rome and Jtalie and the wounde to bee ciuill warres which interpretation is iustified by truth of historie yet considering the course of this prophesie and the exposition of the Angell in the xvij chapter in these wordes the seauen heades are seauen hilles whereon the woman sitteth they are also seauen Kinges fiue are fallen one is another is not yet come and when hee commeth he shall continue but a short time and the beast that was and is not is the eight and one of the seauen We incline rather to this interpretation that followeth and one of his heades was as it were wounded to death and his deadlie wounde was healed The seauen heades signified seauen Kinges or soueraigne gouernours that haue ruled and borne chiefe authoritie within the citie of Rome The first were Kinges the seconde Consulles the thirde Dictators the fourth decem viri the fift were Tribunes Militare the sixt Romaine Emperours the seuenth French Emperours the head that had the deadly wound but was healed was the sixt which receiued that wounde in the death of Iulius Caesar and which wounde was twelue yeares after cured by Augustus for in Iulius Caesar the Emperours beganne and in him that heade had like to haue ended but that the deadly wounde thereof was cured by Augustus as for the triumuirate it