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A39994 The differences of the time, in three dialogues the first, anent episcopacy, the second, anent the obligation of the covenants against episcopacy, the third, anent separation : intended for the quieting the minds of people, and settling them in more peace and unity. Forrester, David, fl. 1679. 1679 (1679) Wing F1589; ESTC R10780 86,473 238

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the_o say_v author_n of_o jus_fw-la divinum_fw-la minist_n angli_fw-la pag._n 64._o say_v that_o eusebius_n irenaeus_n and_o other_o etc._n etc._n be_v in_o many_o thing_n deceive_v themselves_o and_o the_o cause_n of_o deceive_v other_o answ_n 1._o they_o be_v hard_o put_v to_o it_o when_o they_o seek_v to_o relieve_v themselves_o by_o discredit_v these_o ancient_n 2._o suppone_v it_o be_v grant_v that_o eusebius_n be_v in_o some_o thing_n deceive_v must_v he_o therefore_o all_o along_o be_v deceive_v when_o he_o speak_v of_o bishop_n superior_a to_o presbyter_n he_o make_v it_o a_o great_a part_n of_o his_o work_n to_o set_v down_o the_o succession_n of_o bishop_n in_o the_o most_o famous_a primitive_a church_n and_o to_o say_v that_o in_o all_o this_o he_o be_v deceive_v be_v gratis_o dictum_fw-la say_v but_o not_o prove_v 3._o it_o be_v strange_a if_o also_o irenaeus_n be_v decey_v who_o flourish_v above_o a_o hundred_o year_n before_o eusebius_n and_o have_v see_v polycarp_n who_o 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