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A13235	A defence of the Appendix. Or A reply to certaine authorities alleaged in answere to a catalogue of Catholike professors, called, An appendix to the Antitdote VVherein also the booke fondly intituled, The Fisher catched in his owne net, is censured. And the sleights of D. Featly, and D. VVhite in shifting off the catalogue of their owne professors, which they vndertooke to shew, are plainly discouered. By L.D. To the Rt. VVorshipfull Syr Humphry Lynde.	L. D., fl. 1624.; Sweet, John, 1570-1632, attributed name.	1624 (1624)	STC 23528; ESTC S120948	43,888	74

and slights of the Doctors contayned in it they accuse it also of many grosse vntruthes without end or number in relating things out of due place and order to their owne aduantage in daubing and amplifying the speeches of D. Featly with much addition and substraction of matter As for Example 1. That M. Bugges the old Gentleman who first desired the former Dispute was sicke and solicited in his sicknes by some Papists about him to forsake his Religion And that it was feared he would haue fallen from his Fayth if he had not recouered of his sicknes which is altogeather false 2. That he was much confirmed in his Religion by hearing the former Disputation which vnlesse he did extreamly forget himself hauing often sayd the contrary is also false 3. That you Syr Humfrey found M. Fisher by chance in Drurie Lane whereas you know you came of purpose to offer him a friendly Conference with D. White 4. That M. Fisher hauing written the Question added vnder his owne hand he would answere vpon it negatiuely As challenging and expecting Opposers which was false for he was first asked by your self whether he would oppose or answere wherupon he wrote he would answere 5. That you Syr Humfrey tould M. Buggs if M. Fisher would come with foure or six at the most they should be admitted for his sake whereas it was expressely agreed on that D. White and M. Fisher should only bring an Assistant foure Witnesses and a Writer and no more with each of them and that the matter should be kept secret thereby to make the meeting very priuate Which M. Fisher duly obserued but when he came he found the house full of Protestants contrary to former agreement 6. That D. White and D. Featly being inuited by you to Dinner and staying a while after Dinner had notice giuen them as it were by chance that some Iesuits were in the next roome ready to confer with them and that the Doctors were at last perswaded to haue some Conference with them As if forsooth they had neuer heard of the meeting before when the truth is that some daies before D. White had receaued the Question and vndertooke to oppose agaynst it though afterward for more security he vsed D. Featly for his Champion and both of them came thither of purpose to make good the former challenge 7. The Question was falsely and sophistically printed by putting into the midst therof the figure of 2 in fauour of the Opposer who sought to make it a dubble Question 8. Before the Disputation began D. Featly hauing propounded many other poynts of Controuersie to diuert the Question That M. Sweete should answere they were scholasticall poynts not fundamentall Which was not so only he affirmed they were nothing to the purpose Which he was moued the rather to say because a little before he had desired two things of the Auditorie 1. That all bitter speeches might be forborne And 2. that nothing might be heard or spoken which was beside the Question 9. That M. Fisher being charged to haue slaundred Doctor White in a former Conference answered nothing which is false for he stood vp and solemnely protested vpon his Conscience that he neuer slaundred him 10. And againe that being charged to answere vpon his Conscience whether he belieued Christ and his Apostles taught the Protestant faith he refused to answere Which is meerely false It is true that D. Featly before he began to dispute coniured M. Fisher after an insolent manner to answere according to his conscience which M. Fisher accepted and wished him to doe the like I omit many other such Feates which the Hearers when they read affirmed to be plaine Lyes from whome soeuer they proceeded If the Doctors according to their vndertaking had giuen a sufficient and full Catalogue of their Professors in all Ages The Fisher had beene taken indeed in his owne Net and caught in the Question which himself propounded but contrarily hauing taken more vpon them then they were able to performe and not being able to set downe the Catalogue which according to the issue of the Question was then expected the Doctors themselues were manifestly taken in the Net of the Fisher Wherein by professing as they did that The true Church must be able to Name Professors in all Ages they haue so intangled themselues that howsoeuer they may dance in this Net to their owne shame and confusion they can neuer get out vntill they name them And now to come home againe to your selfe endeauoring in the meane tyme as you doe to ouerthrow the succession of their Church and not being able to shew another of yours what do you get or what do you seeke therby but only the ruine and demolishment both of your Church and theirs leauing no true Church vpō the earth which cannot subsist without a visible succession of Professors to be named in all Ages as you and your Doctors haue vrged And by consequence for wāt of such a visible Church you leaue no true Fayth at all nor true Religion in the world And who is a Naturall but he that denyes it Wherefore to conclude this Section your Doctors with a great deale of noyse hauing filled the aire with nothing but smoke If now their Aduersaries should turne their owne Ordinance against them and reason thus it is not your valor that would be able to defend them The Church that is Catholike as it ought to be or the Church whose fayth is Eternall or the Church of Christ and his Apostles must be able to name Successors in all Ages But the Protestant Church is not able to name the Professors of their Fayth nor the Successors therein to Christ and his Apostles in all Ages Ergo the Protestant Church is not Catholike as it ought to be nor the Church whose Fayth is eternall nor the Church of Christ and his Apostles The Maior is their owne and publickly produced by thē The Minor cānot be denyed vntill the Names be shewed Wherefore vntill this Fort be built how can you defēd them or where will you hide them from the power of this Gun-shot And yet as this worke is plainly impossible to be raysed or performed so it is no lesse impossible that the Protestants should be found the true Church by Consequence that any may be saued remayning in it Section II. In reference to a second point of the Appendix shewing their Conuersions in all Ages HAD you giuen vs such another Catalogue of your Professors as you receaued of theirs to make your party good agaynst thē you should haue shewed the like Conuersions of Heathen Nations to the Fayth of Christ by your Ministers in all Ages as that Booke hath shewed by their Apostolicall Preachers And that especially after those tymes wherin you pretend their Church was fallen and the spirit of God was departed from them As for Example in the third Age were conuerted Donaldus King of Scotland his Wife Children and Nobility The Court of

the Prince of Arabia pag. 20. In the fourth Age the Bessites Dacians Getes and Scythians pag. 26. In the fifth Age the Sarazens the Scots the Irish pag. 32. In the sixt Age the Pictes the Gothes the Bauarians the English pag. 36. 38. In the seauenth Age diuers Sweuians the Westphalians and many of our Nation People of Teisterbandia of Westphalia of Holland the King and Queene of Persia with forty thousand Percians pag. 42 44. In the eight Age Saxons Borucluatians the Frisians the Hassits the Thuringians the Catti the Erphordians two Saxon Dukes pag. 48. In the ninth Age the Danes Swethens and people of Aquitania the whole Iland of the Rugians the Bulgarians the Ruthens or Russians pag. 52. 54. In the tenth Age Worziuous the last Pagan Duke in Bohemia the King of Norway the Polonians the Sclauonians and Hungarians Heraldus King of the Danes and Sueno his Sonne pag. 60. In the eleuenth Age the Prussians the Vindians also Pannonians and Transiluanians the lapsed Hūgarians pag. 64. 68. In the twelfe Age the Pomeranians the people of Norway Magnus King of the Gothes pag. 70. 72. In the thirteenth Age the Liuonians the Lituanians innumerable Tartarians pag. 76. 78. In the fourtenth Age the Canary Ilandes the Chumans the Lipnensians Bosnians Patrinians and other Sclauonian Nations pag. 84. In the fifteenth Age Samogessians the Kingdomes of Bentomine Guinaea Angola and Congo Zerra Iacob Emperour of the Abissyns pag. 90. In the sixteenth Age the Kingdome of Manicongo in Africa the Kings of Amanguntium and Bungo innumerable Indians Iaponians Brasilians and other Westerne and Orientall people more Countries and Kingdomes then all Christendome before In the seauēteenth Age the King of Sarra Leaena in the East Indies with his Brethren and Children besides many other in China Iaponia Persia and other Nations This Argument taken from the great increase of fruit which continueth and abideth among them Ioan. 15. 16. and from the wonderfull propagation of their Religion not only in the first fiue hundred yeares after Christ but also much more in the Ages following to this present tyme is surely a most forcible and strong perswasion that they alone among all other sortes of Christians are the company and people whome God had blessed Haue Idolaters been chosen and preserued by Almighty God before his owne Seruants to perswade in the force of his word innumerable people from tyme to tyme to renoūce and tread vnder their feete the Auncient Gods of their Forefathers in whome they so much confided and to receaue him for their true and only God who whipped and crowned with thornes was nayled to a Crosse in the sight of the world and so dyed Haue all these seuerall Countries and Kingdomes so extremely different in clymats in tongues in affections in customes and in natures beene voluntarily reduced to the vnity of one and and the same Fayth in Christ and to the obedience of one Pastor vnder Christ by the followers of Antichrist Haue the limmes of the Diuell reformed the sauage brutish and wicked manners of so many People and Nations changing their hartes and bringing them vpō their knees to serue their Creator with piety and humility and in exercise of all kind of vertue Then I must needes confesse it seemeth vnto me that eyther God himselfe must be in loue with Idolatry or Christ himselfe must become Antichrist or the Diuell himselfe hauing forsaken his malice is now changed to be a seruant of Christ Neyther do I see how possibly you can deny these innumerable Nations to haue beene conuerted by the true Church recommended vnto vs in holy Scripture vnlesse we deny both Church and Scripture For by these Conuersions of Nations in all Ages your Aduersaries doe manifestly proue themselues to be that Church which must in the end conuert all Nations and was therefore surnamed Catholike or Vniuersall And thereby it cannot be denyed they make it most apparent the promises thereof in the Law Gen. 22.17 Gal. 3. In the Psalmes 2. 71.6 21. 28. In the Prophets Isa 2.2 11. 60. 61. 62. Hier. 33. Ezech. 33.22 Dan. 2.44 c. In the old and new Testament Matth. 24.14 28.19 Luc. 24.47 being so euidently performed by thē that they alone are the spirituall seede of Abraham Rom. 4.13 Gal. 3. The inheritance of the Sonne of God Psalm 2. 47. The Mountaine on the toppe of Mountaines Isa 60.12 The Mountaine filling the world Dan. 2.44 The glorious Citty Psal 86. whose gates must be alwayes open that the strength of the Gentiles their Kings may be brought vnto it and the Nation and Kingdome that will not serue it must perish Isa 60.11.12 That blessed Company Isa 61.9 whome our Sauiour promised to assist all dayes or euery day teaching and baptizing all Nations vnto the end of the world Matth. 28. 24. Heere againe as in the end the former Section if they should argue Syllogistically against your Doctors in this manner though you had the strength of Hercules I think you would hardly be able to defend them That Church which conuerted Nations in all Ages is the true Church of Christ and his Apostles recommended vnto vs in holy Scripture But the Catholike and not the Protestant Church hath conuerted Nations in all Ages Ergo the Catholike and not the Protestant Church is the true Church of Christ and his Apostles recommended vnto vs in holy Scripture Section III. In reference to a third point of the Appendix shewing their Religion to haue byn confirmed by Myracles in all Ages HAd you giuen vs a view of so many Nations reduced to the Faith of Christ by your Professors as he hath named conuerted by theirs that your Church might not appeare altogeather inferior to theirs you should haue shewed some points of your Religion confirmed by Myracles against them as that Booke hath declared many points of theirs in all Ages miraculously authorized and as it were subscribed by the hand of God against you those so euidētly testified not only by Auncient Histories but also by the holy Fathers themselues not liable to any exception in the first fiue hundred yeares downewards as they seeme to enforce all good Christians to belieue them As for Example in the second Age Narcissus Bishop of Hierusalem turned water into Oyle for the vse of the Church Eusebius lib. 6. Cap. 8. 9. S. Balbina and her Father restored to health by touching the Chaynes wherwith with Pope Alexander was bound Baron An. 132. n. 2. Cures wrought by the Bodies and Sepulchers of Martyrs Iustin. quast 28. In the third Age the Myracles of S. Gregorie the wonder-worker some of thē wrought by the signe of the Crosse Nissen in vita Greg. Thau And S. Basil de Sp. Sanct. cap. 29. Also Myracles confirming the Eucharist Reall Presence Cyp. ser de Lapsis Also S. Cecily shewed to Valerian the Angell Guardian of her virginitie Metaphrastes and Surius in her life In

putidius Whereas they produce the testimony of Ignatius I say nothing is more rotten or corrupted with Papistry then those trifling Epistles that go vnder his name If nothing be more rotten that is more Papisticall and contrary vnto Protestants then the Doctrine of the writings we haue of S. Ignatius the Apostles Disciple then is he asmuch for vs as S. Ignatius of Loyolae And the same M. Caluin in his Booke de participatione Christi in Coena whereas Westphalus the Lutheran alleadgeth the testimony of Ignatius cited by Theodoret in his 3. Dialogue out of his Epistle ad Smir●enses where he chargeth the Menandrian Heretikes with his Caluinian hereticall Doctrine Non confitentur Eucharistiam esse carnem Saluatoris nostri Iesu Christi they do not belieue the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Sauiour Iesus Christ Caluin I say not without disdayne frameth this answere What ingenuity is this to cite the Epistle of Ignatius which euen an ordinary Friar or Monke would hardly acknowledge as his owne They know that haue read those toyes that they contayne nothing but tales of Lent of Chrisme of Tapers of Fasting and festiuall dayes which through superstition and ignorāce crept into the Church after Ignatius his dayes Thus Caluin speakes of the Epistle cited by Theodoret by Eusebius by S. Hierome for the Epistle of Ignatius So that as I sayd if the Religion of S. Ignatius the Disciple of S. Iohn be tryed by his writings which all antiquity acknowledge as his he is found euen by the confession of Protestants as very a Papist as was S. Ignatius of Loyola to wit more then any ordinary Friar or Monke What desperation then was it of Doctour Featly to what a Non-plus was he brought when he was forced to giue vnto Ignatius and his writings the first place after the Apostles in the Catalogue of Caluinian Professors For this Author can no more be coupled togeather with Caluin in the same Religion and Church then light can agree with darknes Christ with Beliall Which besides what hath beene sayd may appeare in the Preface of his Epistle to the Romans by the great Encomium he maketh of that Church Quae praesidet in Regione Romanorum which presidence must needs be vnderstood of the Church of Rome aboue other Churches Thirdly to draw to an end of this point Tertullian seemeth to proue that our Sauiour gaue his true body because he professed That with a desire he desired to eate the Pasche as his owne for that it had beene vnseemely that God should haue longed after the flesh of the Iewish Lambe or quid alienum or after any thing els that was anothers But if he had desired to eate bread with his Apostles he had not desired to eate his owne but that of another and it had beene no lesse vnseemely that God should haue longed to eate the bread of another with his Apostles then to eate flesh of another with the Iewes Lastly if this sentence of Tertullian be obscure it must be expounded by the other place before alleadged where he sayth without any ambiguity that our flesh is fed with the body and bloud of Christ For it were agaynst all reason that the plaine words thereof should be expounded by this other place which seemeth to contayne two contrary senses and therefore is often alleadged by vs agaynst our Aduersaries and by our Aduersaries against vs. As concerning Gelasius cont Eutichem the last Author that you alleage I wil be content that Chemnitius a learned Lutheran and as great an Enemy of Transubstantiation as your selfe be iudge betweene vs whether that place doth fauour it or doth sound any way for it his words are these Examen part 2. pag. 88. Gelasius sayth that the Wine and the Bread of the Eucharist by the work of the holy Ghost doe passe or conuert into the diuine Substance of the Body and Bloud of Christ and verily these words do seeme to sound very strongly for the establishing of Transubstantiation For that which passeth into another substance and that by the working of the holy Ghost certainely doth seeme not to remaine in his former Substance If you had seene this place or if passion had not blinded you had it beene possible you should haue cited Gelasius against Transubstantiation which by the iudgmēt of such a professed Enemy thereof doth make so strongly for it Section XIII The Conclusion of this Treatise THus much concerning the Authories of the Fathers alleaged by you partly false cited which may be pardoned partly falsified which seemeth to touch your Honour and all of them eyther wholy peruerted or far from the matter which cōming from a Knight sheweth an excusable ignorance in this kind of learning But against the substance of the booke you receaued as I haue shewed in the 4. first Sections of this Treatise you haue answered nothing Now therefore good Syr if according to your Degree you will doe your owne selfe Knights seruice indeed set to your shoulders and vnderprop your Church as Atlas was faigned to support the heauens for as you haue heard and seene in the former Sections it is so mainely battered with fower such peeces of great Ordinance that vnlesse it be mightly sustained the sound of thē alone is sufficiēt to shake it downe and ouerthow it 1. Their visible Succession in all Ages 2. Their Conuersions of Nations in all Ages 3. Myracles in confirmation of their Doctrine in all Ages 4. Censures of Fathers and Councells for the condemnation of yours in all Ages For 1. your Doctors did but beg the Question when they made clayme to Christ and his Apostles and began at the wrong end making that their Argument which should haue beene their conclusion was to be proued by nominating Protestants to succeed them in all Ages and especially in the Ages before Luther according to the words of the Question which they vndertooke to answere What foule shame and extreme confusion is it to your Cause when being vrged to name or bring forth but one Protestant in 500. or 1000. yeares before Luther you are eyther constrained to answere it is not necessary or els supposing the ignorance of those that heare you yow are inforced to cloth your nakednesse with the raggs of Wyckliffe Waldo and other such accursed Heretikes all of them holding some points with your Aduersaries against you and being for other grosse heresies noe lesse detested by them then condemned by you Rather let the bowells of Oxford Librarie be ripped vp and ransacked from end to end Or els neuer leaue digging vntill you haue wrought your selues into those caues where Protestants liued for so many hundred yeares to find some Volumes some Commētaries or some Records of the Actes and Gestes of your Auncestors If nothing can be found in Europe recommend the matter to the East Indian Cōpany or to the Westerne Voyagers to seeke and search among furthest Nations for Protestants lineally descended from Christ his Apostles