inferre vndoubted positions from weake and false premisses infallible conclusions Omnipotent power that makes the conclusion stronger then the premisses whereupon it is grounded But I will spare this sore because Doctor Stapleton saith it is a sinne to touch it Thus it is quoth hee but we must not enquire the maner how it is that were curiositie Happily it is a mysterie and it were safe for your Church it were not looked into The consequence of your argument if any impotencie of erring in one then in all is too too weake there is a meane betwixt all and none at all you run altogether vpon extremities all errours be not at once disclosed nor all truthes alike necessarie to be knowne What say you to your Doctor Stapleton who limits the Church with a condition of determining such points onely as be necessary to be beleeued or belong to the verie substance of faith else she may erre both in discourse and definitiue sentence a condition which would be looked vnto if not quite put out of his workes for it shaketh many a decree Nay what say you to Bellarmine who acknowledgeth there be some true catholikes which hold that the Pope in a general counsel may erre when he giueth not all diligence Which generall condition if it be truly obserued in assembling the synod without partialitie in selecting points of moment and necessitie in consulting with all simplicitie with such like included vnder all diligence doubtlesse Gods spirit for his part will neuer be wanting See now if you would be reasonable we might happily shake hands in this point but you presently runne backe to an absolute omnipotencie of not erring in any one point and so shall we neuer meet I aduise you though doe not take it for an article of your creed but remember Bellarmine his rule That is not to be held as a point of faith against which some catholikes do hold being reputed catholikes of the Church and not condemned for heretiks But some catholikes hold the Church may erre quando non adhibet omnem diligentiam therefore resolue not all your faith vpon this point but alas we haue your resolution MOTIVE COntrarie the Catholikes auouching the inflexible truth of the Church as the voice of Christ and direction of the spirit doe stay the mindes of the faithfull from doubt and wauering But the other making an head from the bodie of the Church are rightly punished both with beleefe in errours and vnbeleefe in truth ANSVVERE SEe now your conclusion which buildeth not vpon that point alone we haue alreadie sifted but assumeth with all a farre more slipperie ground that that Church you haue lately plunged your selfe into is the onely Church we haue talked of all this while the onely true vniuersall visible Church vpon the earth Which two vncertainties wel examined and laid together will I feare me make but a sandie foundation to build vpon and an vnstable principle to stand vpon it owne ground and vphold all religion Yet this is your only sanctuary wherin you secure your soules of all sound beliefe which standeth vpon these two main pillers first that the Catholike Church cannot erre which is not so dangerous if rightly conceiued as hath been said Secondly that this Romish Church whereof you professe your selfe a member is that Catholicke Church Which second branch must be yet further resolued into other vncertainties presupposed by you as vndoubted truthes whereupon the frame of your religion doth rest it selfe to wit first that this present Romish Church doth not degenerate from the ancient Catholike but soundly and sincerely professeth that same faith which was established in the primitiue by the Apostles continued in the ancient Romane Church in the time of the Fathers for the space of 600 yeares Secondly this being proued and made manifest you must adde further that this Church of Rome is not so Catholike as was the Church of Corinth Galatia c. that is not as a member communicating in the faith of the whole Catholike but that it selfe is the whole entire Catholike Church thereby excluding all other Churches in Christendome as hereticall which doe not acknowledge themselues subiect to the Bishop of that Sea Which thing you must defend not against protestants onely who proue you rather to be an Italian faction then the Catholike Church which Iohn Hart doth ingenuously acknowledge to be more probable then he was aware of but euen against your owne Doctors and Cardinals must you arme your selues in this point who complaine there is nothing decreed in counsels but what the Italian Nation liketh of as Ludouicus Cardinall of Arle complained at the Councell of Basil and Claudius Espencaeus a Doctor of your owne in Paris witnesseth for Trent Haec est illa Helena qua tridenti nuper obtinuit c. speaking of the Italian Nation Now if any of these pointes faile you which me thinkes be verie tickle then is not the voice of your Church euermore the inflexible truth of Christ and direction of his spirit which you presume to be the first ground of Christian Religion that doth stay the minds of the faithfull from doubt and wauering in all the rest THE THIRD MOTIVE THe infinite waies of errours draw themselues in their originall into two heads opinion and affection which as two cankers breed the one in the vnderstanding the other in the will for our iudgement is easiest deceiued by those things we esteeme truest and our inclination by what we loue best There is nothing of more manifest presumption then the truth of the Scriptures nor fuller of desire then securitie of happinesse therefore these two being left vnlimited the one of Canonitall exposition the other with necessitie of meanes are a direct method of indirect consequence Such is the practise of the later religion they teach that nothing is to be credited but what is warranted in holy bookes and giue not infallible rules of interpretation but such as at last must be ouerruled by priuat opinion for conference of places propriety of phrase acceptations of wordes can make no other conclusion then euery ones conceit will aforde So that of an infallible proposition and arbitrary assumption must needes insue a dangerous conclusion though not euer in the matter which is concluded yet alwaies in the manner of concluding ANSVVERE TO let slip your philosophicall introduction sparing in this short discourse to catch at by matters you haue pitched your motiue vpon the two maine partes of a christian soule The vnderstanding of diuine truth and the desire of true happines assuming to your selues and denying wholly to vs both sound iudgment for the triall of the one and necessarie meanes for the enioying of the other Our iudgment is impeached for resting it selfe wholly vpon the written word being depriued also of the infallible interpretation of the same For the first point we doe indeede maintaine the written word as the most perfect worke of God to
principles of faith wherein consisteth the summe of all religion These first principles of religion assented vnto by this infused faith as the principles of reason by the light of nature haue taken a deeper impression in the mindes of the faithfull than the voice of the Church or an Angell from heauen could haue made For if we saith Paul the Apostles of Christ nay if an Angell from heauen confirmed in the state of happines should preach any other Gospell that is lay any other principles of religion then be all readie layd let him bee accursed Then somewhat there is of more certaintie to vs then Peter or Paul or any Angell Sinos aut Angelus Thus farre therefore you must of necessitie yeeld vnto vs except you withstand the streame of your owne Doctors that albeit the voice of the Church be a witnesse of this truth without exception yet aboue and beside this the minde of a beleeuing Christian is stroken with a lightning from Heauen inspyred with diuine reuelation enformed with that infused faith which farre surpasseth that former faith gotten by discourse and testimonie of the Church without vs. This is the last resolution of our religion into a principle that standes vpon his own ground to wit into an vndoubted assent of the minde informed by true faith fixed by the holy Ghost vpon the Axioms of Christian religion All that I would say to this point is by your Doctor Stapleton well concluded in one period Fideles enim omnes per vocem ecclesiae inducuntur ad fidem inducti autem lumine inspirationis diuinae illustrati non iam amplius propter Loquelam ecclesiae sed propter Lumen illud diuinum credunt But for more remote conclusions drawen from principles by discourse and tract of consequence because therein to rely vpon speciall reuelation were dangerous we most willingly imbrace the voice of the Church in manner as we haue said to your first motiue alwaies acknowledging Gods spirit to be more fully resident in holy assemblies then priuate braines promising to leade the Church into all truth to be resident where two or three are gathered together in his name which spirit for his part will neuer be wanting if the Church for her part be not defectiue But whether these promises made be absolute or with condition that is suppose the Church will not be led whether the spirit will perforce driue her into all truth Suppose her chieftaines assemble themselues with preiudicate and sinister affections not with that sinceritie which is required whether the spirit will therin assist them Or whether these suppositions be possible that God in regard of our sins will suffer such corruptions to creepe into Synodes as may lead thē into errour in some ages more in some lesse though euermore preseruing life in the principles of religion is the point in question Vpon which issue we denie such a power of not erring to the Church militant as should enforce the mind to giue assent to counsell decrees in the same kind and degree of faith as to the articles of beleefe which remaines more fully to be shewed out of your owne groundes MOTIVE FOr they affirme that the authority of the Church and ministerie of whom their followers receiue the sacred scriptures and their expositours be humane and such as may goe aside into errour and sometimes doe So that of necessitie whosoeuer standeth in the integritie of their opinion either haue no faith at all or else onely humane and errant For they that haue a possible impotencie of erring in one point of faith what assurance can they make of distinction that they doe not erre in all ANSVVERE WE affirme the authoritie of the Church and ministerie to be humane in the same sense as Saint Iohn cals it the testimonie of men If we receiue the testimonie of men the testimonie of God is greater Which testimonie of men was by all consent the testimonie of the Apostles themselues who ioyntly were witnesses of the resurrection of the Lord of life Then if the testimonie of the Apostles be humane I hope in the like sense we may call the authoritie of the Church humane I come at the last to that grand motiue whereupon all the rest depends the omnipotence of not erring Wherein that I may quickly touch the point I spare to proue what is granted for we go along certaine steps together without iarring First it is confessed that any counsell particular or general may erre if it be not confirmed by the Pope Secondly that Pope and counsell may erre in any by matter beside the definitiue sentence principally intended Thirdly that they may errein application of scriptures in illustrations in sequel of argument drawne from scripture to inferre that definitiue sentence Fourthly the definitiue sentence it selfe may be erronious if it be defined onely as a probabilitie not as a point of faith Fiftly though it be concluded as a matter of faith yet there may be errour in the proprietie of speech by superfluitie or want of termes by displacing of wordes or such like Only the verie bare maine sense of the conclusion it selfe is cocke sure from errour Into this narrow straite they confesse themselues to haue been alreadie pursued the consideration of which point me thinkes should cause an indifferent mind to pause a little and thinke it strange at the least that the euident truth of the Church testimonie whereupon all catholike faith must depend that the first principle standing vpon his owne ground into which all religion is to be resolued as into a pure element should be put to so many shiftes and hunted into such a narrow roome But further to vrge you with your owne I demaund from whence a counsels definitiue sentence doth receiue her infallibilitie Either it must be immediately from the spirit of God or else by means of consequence from the text of scripture or article whereupon it groundeth The first is by your selues denied for it is the first and speciall difference Bellarmine putteth twixt counsels Canons and canonicall scripture that the word of God is authorized by immediate reuelation from the spirit but counsels deriue their conclusions by discourse from the word Your champion answered me to this point that indeed God would haue his Church to vse those meanes of discourse and testimonie yet at the vpshot the spirit doth fortifie the conclusion and lets the rest go So I hope Paul did apply his bookes and parchments vsed the meanes of studie and discourse though that which he resolued vpon to put in writing was by the immediate motion of the spirit Therefore still this makes no difference at all Then belike if Bellarmine stand it is the discourse sequele of argument which the conclusion must rely vpon for her certaintie but that also proues a broken staffe euen in your owne iudgements Bellarmine saieth it is erronious and Stapleton resolues vpon it that from erronious arguments counsels doe
AN ANSVVERE TO WILLIAM ALABLASTER his MOTIVES By ROGER FENTON Preacher of Grayes Inne AT LONDON Imprinted by FELIX KYNGSTON for W. Aspley dwelling in Paules Church-yard at the signe of the Tygers head 1599. THE CONTENTS OF THE seuen Motiues 1. Of the stay of the minde in doctrine of faith 2. Of the last resolution of religion 3. Of the rule of interpretation of Scripture and of necessitie of workes 4. Of the multitude of communicants in the catholike faith 5. Of alteration and reformation of religion 6. Of the power promised to the Church for discerning of truth and of the meanes of deciding controuersies 7. Of markes to discerne heretikes by and of innouation TO THE RIGHT WORSHIPFVLL HIS SINGVLAR GOOD PATRONES THE REAders of Grayes Inne RIGHT Worshipfull I craue your patronage and pardon both at once I haue stolne from my daily duetie vnto you vnto whom I owe both my selfe and all duetie certaine waste houres which I haue imployed about this discourse If my paines haue been fruitfullie bestowed yet they must craue pardon because they were bestowed without your leaue if idlie then I must craue pardon twise once for them and next for my selfe Howsoeuer I am sure my best desert must pleade pardon which I most humbly beg at your hands submitting my selfe and thaese stolne meditations to your milde censures Which if I finde fauourable I shall be encouraged with more alacritie to applie my studies in my ordinarie duties and with better content as well to amend what you shall finde amisse in this as also to prepare my selfe to some greater taske And so with my dailie prayers to almightie God for the happie and flourishing estate of your Honourable societie I humbly take my leaue At my chamber in Grayes Inne this 24. of Nouember 1599. Your daily bounden Orator ROGER FENTON The Author to William Alablaster prisoner in the Tower wisheth health of soule and bodie ALbeit Aarons body mysticall whereabout we contend might iustly occasion a much hotter conflict then that dead bodie of Moses for which Sathan stroue with Michael thereof to make an idoll yet haue I rather chosen beloued Alablaster to offend by ouer much mildnes in this generall suruey and discouerie of your grounds then any wise in bitternes of spirit vnderpretext of zeale to gaule and disgrace an aduersary Onely to the ende this slender taske imposed vpon me might finde the better intertainement euen at your hands I haue weighed your inducements with all indifferencie vrged the force of them so fully as I am able to conceiue and examined them by the touch and triall of your owne grounds VVherefore since by this time I hope the seething of your feruencie is well nigh ouer you become more staied then before and able to containe your selfe within some limits of moderation my heartie wish and desire is that you would vpon this new occasion take a sober reuiew of your owne worke more aduisedly consider the premises whereupon you build and as God shall moue you accordingly shape your resolution VVhich thing although I haue small hope my labour should be so happie as to effect in you yet least these your popular fallacies should insinuate themselues into the mindes of the more vnstable I am the rather induced to publish this briefe answere for the vse of such tender iudgements as shall in that kinde neede the same So committing to almightie God the happie successe hereof and submitting my selfe herein to the censure of the learned I bid you farewell from my Chamber in Grayes Inne Nouember 24. 1599. R. F. THE FIRST MOTIVE AS the moist and vnstable bodies because they are vnbounded in themselues neuer cease from motion vntil they be staied in some other bodie which hath stay in it selfe so the vnderstanding vnquiet by nature passeth through all formes of opinions vntill he resolue his assent vpon some principle that standeth onely vpon his owne ground ANSVVERE THat principle which stayeth the vnderstanding in humane knowledge containeth a truth firme in it selfe manifest to the light of nature shining in vs knowne to euerie man of meane vnderstanding carying euery proofe and vpholding each conclusion which reason is able from thence by discourse to inferre So that the vnderstanding passing through so many formes of opinions by discoursing at randome is therefore vnsetled because he cannot reduce those fareftcht conclusions to the first principle and examine all opinions by that truth which standeth vpon it owne ground MOTIVE THerefore when the question of truth in controuersie of faith is turned too and fro in the throng of so many particular quarrels it is best to goe aside and single out the two grand Originals and foundations from the which all other factions arise that by taking the iust estimate of the strength of eyther our iudgemēt may leaue to the stronger part Al particular controuersies in thēselues stand vpon their yea and nay but vnto vs require proofe which proofe is linked by reason which reason is chiefely groūded vpō scripture which scripture is authorised not in the letter but in the sense because it is doubtful in the varietie of apprehensions some leading others drawing many writhing their text to their seuerall factions The question is at last remoued frō the text to the interpreter frō the scripture vnto the men So that a mind studious of truth is now come to his last care to determine of the worth merit authority of these that are the exposit our ANSVVERE YOu passe from formes of opinions to controuersies of faith from an vnquiet vnderstanding by nature to an vnstable faith in religion which inference is not greatly amisse if rightly taken For as these two kinds be diuerse in nature so be they alike in proportiō For the principles of religiō differ from the principles of reason so doth this of faith from that of nature Hence an vnstable vnderstanding is not fixed vpon one and the same ground in both kindes They be alike in proportion thus as nature hath her principles written in the hearts of all men so religion hath hers reuealed from heauen to al faithfull men Secondly as the glimmering light of nature still shining in vs enlightneth her principles and maketh mens minds fully assent vnto them So the spirit of God enformeth all Christian minds with a supernaturall light of faith and full assurance of the first principles of religion Thirdly as the principles of nature are presented to our vnderstanding out of the booke of nature the volume of creatures and visible things of God together with many mysteries in part vnfolded by the wise Philosophers in their comments vpon nature so the first common principles of faith are euidently expressed in the booke of God besides many high mysteries in part reuealed vnto vs by the learned and holy men of God from time to time Fourthly as the naturall vnderstanding the further it is remoued from the first principles by discourse and tract of consequence the more vnstable
waigh together the spouse of Christ with Luther Caluin Melancthon aecumenicall counsels with priuate opinions the reuerend and learned fathers with Arius Aetius Vigilantius men alwaies in their time burned for heretikes the harmony of Churches with the iarring of conuenticles of them that are in as great brawle with themselues as with the catholikes The vniforme practise of 1500. yeares with the often change of others The tradition of the Apostles with the dregs of heretikes Now let any man though ouerbalanced by affection consider with himselfe whether of these should be beleeued in expounding the scriptures and consequently in the truth of the controuersies which relyeth vpon the sence ANSVVERE THis is right the wise man of Athens who thought all the shippes his owne which came to hauen Church councels Fathers Apostolicall traditions all yours And we poore soules turned ouer to a few single spirits Luther Caluin Melancthon c. If I might be so bold with you as Sir Thomas More was in like case with a protestant it were time to put you in minde of one Caius who encountring with a scholler would needs haue his first demaunde graunted to wit whatsoeuer had two eares was a foolish beast For els he could not so gallantly haue come vpon him as otherwaies he had ment Your demand is alike reasonable For you assume no more as graunted but the iudgment of the Church the definition of councells the consent of Fathers the harmonie of Churches the practise of all ages the rule of Apostolicall tradition Which if we giue you and leaue our selues a few particular mens expositions indeede I confesse you may conclude at your pleasure But it is wel knowen we doe no further relie vpon those learned mens assertions then they be authorized by the forenamed witnesses Which testimonies so confidently alledged for your parte I hope you are not ignorant how that all along in our apologies defences and answeres they be brought against you by our defenders especially those witnesses of more ancient times vnto whom we are content to appeale as most indifferent iudges and more sincere then any of later times being neerer to Christ and further from these factions To put you out of doubt I will set downe our owne words Quam ea die Iuellus vocem verissimam ac constantissimam emisit quando ad sexcentorum annorum antiquitatem prouocanit vobisque obtulit vt si vel vnicam ex aliquo patre aut consilio claram dilucidam sententiam afferretis non recusaret quin vobis palmam concederet ea est nostrûm omnium professio idem omnes pollicemur fidem non fallemus THE SECOND MOTIVE THe mysteries of religion do so far exceede the narrow straites of our vnderstanding that because they cannot be comprehended by reason God hath therefore appointed faith to entertaine them which faith is built vpon diuine and vnfallible authoritie the minde yeelding obedience in stead of discourse receiuing indifferently the truth of doctrine vpon the credit and affiance of the teacher Therefore that religion which doth not stay the assent of the scholler and hath not irrefragable authoritie in all matters of faith hath neither merit of beliefe in it selfe nor others But such is the discipline of the protestants that they affoord their schollers no other but humane and mutable authoritie whereby to beleeue the number and dignitie of the scriptures with the sense and interpretation of them in which consisteth the summe of all religion ANSVVERE THe mysteries of religion doe far exceede the narrow straites of our vnderstanding for without controuersie great are those mysteries to wit God is manifested in the flesh iustified in the spirit seene of Angels beleeued on in the world and receiued vp into glorie Amongst which the schollers assent to those misteries is accounted one beleeued on in the world which you haue well expressed appointing faith not reason to entertaine them The mind yeelding obedience in steed of discourse receiuing indifferently the truth of doctrine vpon the credit and affiance of the teacher This teacher you haue determined to be the inflexible testimonie of the catholike Church of whome we receiued the forenamed principles of religion yea the scriptures themselues And surely that minde which would not yeeld obedience to the testimonie of this generall voice were in all sound iudgments most vnreasonable For doth not reason her selfe tell vs That which most men and wisest agree vpon is most true doth she not adde further Those men be wisest next God that are most deare vnto him Then that religion which is professed and taught by the most holy and catholike Church which is venerable for antiquitie certaine for succession comely for order admirable for vnitie approued by experience allowed by prouidence confirmed by miracles rooted in so many kingdomes neuer doubted of but by heretikes is in the very eye of reason to be imbraced How thinke you Is not this reasons discourse And a sound discourse You must not deny it for it is your owne If reason then build vpon Church authoritie how place you faith in reasons roome If this be reasons discourse what is that yeelding obedience in stead of discourse Where is that great mysterie of godlines beleeued on in the world which captiuates the vnderstanding to the obedience of faith Let me helpe you out with a schoole distinction that wee may cleere the way before vs. The schollers assent to the Church testimonie is called faith I confesse but such a faith as the schoole termeth Acquisita fides faith gotten by discourse testimonie of the holy men of God a faith caried along by reason grounding vpon sufficient witnes and conuincing the vnderstanding by euidence of demonstration a faith incident not to wicked men only but the diuels themselues But the schoole diuines haue taught a more diuine faith which they call Infusa fides immediatly inspired by the holy Ghost from heauen informing the minde inclining the will to entertaine the principles of christianitie with all perfect obedience in stead of discourse For the begetting of which faith in the hearts of men that former testimonie of the Church and discourse of argument doth wonderfully dispose and prepare the minde but y t which giues the stroke and addeth life vnto it is the celestiall motion of Gods spirit which Saint Iohn calls the witnes within vs opposing it to the Church testimonie without vs. This is that true faith which Aquin affirmes neuer to bee found in diuels which Scotus aueres neuer to be void of christian charitie which Bellarmin proues and Trent defines neuer to be obtained without diuine reuelation and inspiration of Gods spirit vpon which it is built as vpon diuine and vnfallible authoritie the minde yeelding obedience in steede of discourse and receiuing indifferently the truth of doctrine vpon the credit and affiance of this teacher Hereupon doth our religion stay the assent of the scholler and hath irrefragable authoritie in the
West and spreading ouer the earth And yet for the straights of the throng putting vp supplication to the Church to send some colones out to enlarge their habitation Angustus est mihi locus fac spatiū mihi vt habitem And because by diuine dispensation there were some sedition factions to spring in his kingdom that it might not breede admiration in the newe subiects by the noueltie or distraction of doubt if the new parte by number bee mistaken therefore Christ and his Apostles haue both foretold there should bee heretiques and branded them alwaies by the note of paucitie to be distinguished from the generall multitude For they shall come vnder the stile of small and thinne numbers and priuiledged places There is Christ among the Caluinistes in Geneua There is Christ among the Lutherans in Germany In the desert for a thousand yeeres since Phocas In some secret of concealed doctrine since the Apostles time But beleeue them not for not all or the most part shall be apostate but some not many but such as in compare of the whole multitude shall be as errant planets in respect of the fixed starres Therefore this argument from the multitude of communicants in the same faith promised by God foreseene by the Prophets confirmed by the Apostles was esteemed of so sufficient proofe by the primitiue commanders of Christ his Church that they vsed it alwaies against the heretickes and oftentimes when they were to encounter they would brandish this sword as deadly and vnauoidable to amaze and yet not strike with it Poteram omnes propositionum tuarum riuulos vno ecclesiae sole siccare For the experiment whereof if we turne ouer the succession of historyes age by age we shall finde that when any heresie was at the highest floud it was not comparable to the ebbe of catholikes no not in the torrent and inundation of the Arrians by Athanasius testimony Therefore we may presume the euent of that prophesie which hath so equally proceeded hitherto and vse it for a weapon against the heretikes of our time which hath been so often died in the bloud of their ancestors and follow our fathers herein which so happily followed others Deo gratias ANSVVERE ALl these groundes except Athanasius his testimonie I finde translated out of D. Stapleton only Cacus-like that you might not be traced you haue somewhat inuerted the order and good cause why for the same author whence you borrow hath himselfe dissolued all the force of this motiue by adding a cautiō in the fifth chapter how those forealleadged places are to be vnderstoode That Popular inheritance promised to the sonne in the 2. Psalme discouered by Daniel to replenish the earth suruaide by Esay from the East to the West possessed by the Apostles from Hierusalem to the ends of the world is not so to be taken saith Stapleton as if the Church should at once in any one age enioy those large dominions no not in the most flourishing age but only in succession of times yet your argument is so pitched vpon those proofes as if the number of sound beleeuers at one and the same time euen at the lowest ebbe of Catholiks did farre exceed all others An inference without the compasse of those scriptures euen in the iudgement of your owne Doctor albeit himselfe after doe wrest them vnto the same purpose We doe indeed with all due thankfulnesse acknowledge according to those prophesies the Catholike faith of Christ to be preached and beleeued in seuerall ages in all the nations of the world truly and sincerely not at once like the deluge couering the face of the earth but as the water floudes in course winning ground in one place and loosing it in another dried vp at Hierusalem and Samaria before it haue watred the endes of the earth though in some ages full banck in some at a lower ebbe specially when it is pestered with heresies and schismes prophecied to come in the latter daies Insomuch that at the last dissolution the Sonne of God maketh doubt if he shall find faith vpon earth And if a true Catholike faith shal so faile as scarce to be found then maruaile not if your glorious note of the multitude of communicants in the same faith faile you A glorious note I confesse it is in the glorie of the Church when the sunne is in his full strength and well might the fathers in due time and place brandish this sword against vpstart heretikes with Poteram omnes c. but not so well strike with it or stand vpon it as an infallible demonstration since they well wist that in the eclips of the Church when heresies get a head schismes distract it when the diuel waxeth wood and the world groweth old this note of multitude with all must needs faile Your experiment for the torrent inundation of the Arrians is too too weake you striue against a streame of auneients Where be they saith Gregory Nazianzene in his Oration against Arrians who define the Church by a multitude and contemne a small flocke Doth not Hierome witnesse the whole world to haue turned Arrian what say you to Saint Hillary who perswaded men not to regard the outward face of the Church eyther Bishops or Priestes through the world It was a rare thing saith hee to find a Catholike amongst priest or people Did not the Emperour in Theodoret scorne the Catholikes for their paucitie foure or fiue to a world of Arrians Nay your owne Doctor in this yeelds to Luther that there were but a fewe Bishops to the Arrians and those few exiles Ecce in deserto ecce in penetralibus had been as glorious a play for Arrians against Catholikes as now against Protestants to the meaning of the text both alike Vincentius Lirin a man of great note amongst you for this one example of the Arrians doth abandon that note of vniuersalitie And thinke you to cary it with your bare auouching Athanasius his testimonie neither citing his wordes nor quoting the place against so strong a tide This is too too sleight THE FIFTH MOTIVE THis new stampe of religion which Luther and his minsters boast of to be reformed according to the ancient coyne cannot auoide the desert of counterfeit Because so generall a reformation and restitution of the primitiue Church neither can be neither was to be expected For although the worship of adulterous religion haue suffered many changes either by the admiration of some man of extraordinarie account or the intimation of Oracles or the ambition of superstitious or inuasion of neighbours or chaunge of gouernment the state alwaies fashioning religion the fittest consequence of policie yet in the true religion instituted by God himselfe the diuine ordinance hath made onely two memorable varieties not by condemning the former but by preferring the latter not in difference of substance but perfection not by retraction as in chaunge of their counsell but adding of timely accesse The first
which that ancient writer so approued by you doth auere Solus sufficit ad omnia satis superque all reformations of the Church whatsoeuer haue been since or hereafter shalbe must come vnder the name of meere restitutions without addition not instituting any new doctrine but restoring the ancient not creating a new Church as you fondly imagine but reducing the old vnto the primitiue Therefore in this kind there is no need of miracles or prodigious signes seeing our reformers bring no new reuelations of their owne but only make appeales to the iudgement of the primitiue Church desire credit of others no further then they giue euidence of argument drawne from such grounds as be receiued of all hands Then seeing their proceedings be ordinarie what extraordinarie wonders are to be expected Neither was it their desire motion in this reformatiō that the present visible Church should fly the world and leaue her kingdome royaltie but onely this y t it should be purged because reason telleth vs experience hath proued it that the visible Church is not al spirit but some flesh though she be informed by the holy Ghost in her holy and generall assemblies yet she consisteth likewise of earthly fraile sinful men therfore she must of necessity gather some dust in time grow corrupt if she do not clense refine her selfe Wherupon motion was made to the commanders of the Church for the reformation of certaine abuses which being crept in had gotten a head and were growne to that pitch that they became burdensome to the consciences of religious men This complaint being not harkened vnto they perswaded themselues that the backwardnes of their brethren could not be to them a sufficient excuse not to reforme themselues For this cause they protested a separation from their fellowship and communion in those points vntill such time as it should please God to moue their minds so to refine themselues from those corruptions as there might insue conformitie a thing wished and praied for with sighes not to be expressed So that the strength of this your Motiue which makes Martin Luther his fellowes seeme so odious vnto you is resolued into these two questions First whether in his time there were abuses in the Church that required a reformation Secondly reformation being denied vnhoped for whether they were abuses of that nature degree as did bind the conscience of true catholikes not to cōmunicate with others in them Which two points if they be true they cleer our reformers frō all slander suspitiō either of heresy or schisme vntil you haue proued them false this the like generall motiues to this purpose be mere shadows without substance of no value or force at all THE SIXTH MOTIVE AS the cause is the paterne of the effects vpon which ground Saint Paul from the vnitie of Gods Church buildeth the vnitie of faith so may we go backwards from the defference of effects to denie the affinitie of the cause and from the impossibilitie of vnion in faith take away the possibilitie of dependance vpon God Such is the religion of the protestants which hath no certaine principle of vnitie and therefore lacketh the cognisance whereby true religion is knowne For where there is not an infallible authoritie which doth iudge and decide controuersies by remouing all actions of doubt and reply and vnto which absolute obedience is tied there must needs be varietie of iudgements and opinions which cannot be tied in one knot For all vnitie in particulars proceedeth from the vnitie of some cause wherein all agree But there is no such infallible authoritie the iudge of controuersies besides the voice of the Church which the protestants either put altogether to silence or else obey so farre as they please For the scriptures whom they haue erected to be iudges as rebels that put downe all iudges and pretend to be ruled onely by the law cannot alone supply this place to take away all occasionof controuersies And if there were no other argument their owne irreconcilable quarrels in so manifold differences among themselues might suffice to stop their mouthes herein For as diuers parcels of silke of deeper or lighter ground dipped by the Dyar in the same liquour drink in a seuerall tincture of colour according to their former varietie so they that diue in the letter of the holy scripture according as their iudgements are before stained with preiudice of one or other opinion come forth againe not in vnity of minds but in the same differences as they went in more or lesse Or as in the miracle of tongues giuen to the Apostles when many auditors of diuers languages came to heare them although the same men could speake no more but one idiome at once yet the seuerall auditours comprehended them as if they had spoken in the proprietie of their speech so when many of diuers languages in religion come to heare some one of the Apostles speaking in the scripture although the author vse onely the voice of the truth yet euery sundrie faction doth conceiue him as speaking in the seuerall confusion of their opinions Neither can they comfort themselues with any hope to see these diuerse opinions wound vp in one confession For as the vnitie in conclusion in logick cannot be without the vnitie of the medium so they cannot meete in that middle way which should bring them into peace able cōposition vnlesse they returne to the Church For all grant there is no way to accomplish it without a councell but who shall call it when there is none whom they all obey How many factions shall assemble out of what sect shall the president be chosen what number of suffrages shall there be on euery side what rule shall bee allowed for the interpretation of the scriptures And if all this were by a dreame imagined yet the authoritie of the Canons and conclusions shall not be so authenticall but that any priuate head may refuse it if in his owne singularity he thinke it disagreeing from the scripture so desperate is the possibilitie of vnion among them that hope which imagineth impossible things cannot possibly imagine it ANSVVERE AS euery defect and imperfection tendeth vnto dissolution so the good estate of euery bodie aswell politicke and mistical as natural doth consist in the vnity of the whole harmonie of the parts amongst themselues Therfore seeing the band of vnitie knitting many members into one whole maketh an entire body that societie is of all others conceiued to be most absolute which hath attained to the greatest perfection of vnitie Which kind of reason moued the Philosopher to giue the preeminence to a Monarchy before other simple formes So the Apostle in the place whence you take your rise from the vnitie of Gods Church doth build the vnity of faith as also the vnity of spirit in the bond of peace vrging a preseruation and increase of the same as a thing most perfecting the
whole body This is a marke Saint Paul willeth vs to aime at and indeuour to attain the perfection of it But you as if your Church had alreadie attained it and were perfect in this vnitie of faith haue fansied to your selfe such an vniformitie in religion and such an infallible meanes to enioy the same as doth expell all differences in iudgements and opinions remoue all occasions of doubt and reply and vnto which perfect obedience is tied By this cognisance haue you discerned and noted the onely true catholike Church and thereby cut of al protestants from that body So did Tully describe an oratour who neuer yet was knowen either at Rome or Athens so did Plato imagine a commonwelth collected of the select perfections of all societies and so hath your chymicall phansie conceited a Church in her state here militant which by triall will proue a meere Eutopia not to be found vpon the earth For you might easily conceiue euen in reason that albeit vnitie be essentiall to a bodie and consequently the vnitie of faith to the Church of Christ yet as there be many degrees of perfections in the church so be there likewise of vnitie in faith Concerning the very bodie of religion and more materiall pointes of faith there is in our Church an vniforme accord and agreement though in other branches some differences as amongst your selues how manie iarres betwixt Aquin and Scotus and y e rest of that scoole scarce three of thē saying one thing How many errours cōdemned in your Cardinal Caietan by Melchior Canus and Bellarmin The Iacobins and the Cordelians could neuer agree about the Virgin Mary her conception In a word it cannot bee denyed but so many orders of fryers almost so many sectes in opinions and deadly quarrels euen at this day Wherefore before this your peremptorie conclusion of deposing Churches it had bin a point verie requisite first to haue defined what degree of vnitie were necessarie and what kinde of differences brings the Church of Christ to vtter dissolution so that it remaine noe longer to bee a Church But you taking a course most easie to deceiue your selfe and others discourse aloofe in generalities and take the perfection of vnitie at the highest pitch to make a more glorious shewe So then the weight of this your argument resteth it selfe vpon these two poyntes First that the prouidence of God hath prouided for his Church militant a perpetuall and infallible meanes of vnitie in faith and such a vnity as takes away varietie of iudgments and opinions remoues all occasions of doubt and reply and vnto which absolute obedience is tyed Secondly that this meanes is to be found in the Church of Rome and not els where Let vs briefly examine the first ground which if it proue sandie the whole frame of this your building falles by it owne weight Saint Paul his argument in the fourth to the Ephesians from whence you haue raised this whole discourse in your owne sence makes directly against you For as from vnitie of Gods Church hee buildeth the vnitie of faith so doth he likewise the vnitie of spirit in the bond of peace Then if from the defect of vnitie in faith you will goe backward to deny the Church you must deny it likewise by vertue of the same text vpon any quarrels or contentions ciuill or eccleasticall which doe impeach the vnitie of loue in the bond of peace But I wot you will be better aduised and graunt there may be a visible Church though the vnitie of peace be not in perfectiō And may there not be one also amongst vs in some differences of iudgments yea much more since varietie of opinions rise commonly from ignorance and weaknes of iudgment whereas those other quarrelles proceed rather from malice and enuie and therefore are lesse veniall and more likely to take away the possibilitie of dependance vpon God Let vs then leaue to straine at gnattes and ingenuously acknowledge thus much at the first that all differences doe not take away the nature of the true Church Next that all vnitie doth not proue a Church For there may be aswellconspiracie in errour as vnitie in faith Yea the kingdome of Sathan is at vnitie with it selfe Or els saith our Sauiour it could not possibly endure If this policie be the strength of his kingdome no meruaile if the same be found amongst his instruments as the prophet Nahum speakes of the enimies of Gods people the Assyrians comparing them to a firre bush or heape of thornes twined or folden one within another Your next shift will be that differences of iudgments among catholikes before definitiue sentence giuen bee neither damnable nor concerne matters of faith but after the Church hath giuē her voice vnto which perfect obedience is tyed then such a truth so determined is presently to be imbraced without reply or further enquirie Which conceite seemes to make voide the ende of that diuine dispensation by which you affirme some sediitons and factions to spring in the kingdome of God Which in his wisedome be not onely permitted but disposed and ordered to the exercise and more full triall of the faithfull To which purpose wee are often vrged in the text to search the scriptures trie the spirits proue all things but here is a shorter cut for a catholike Onely these two poynts First in any doubtfull question vndetermined either let him suspend his iudgment or if he lift to take a side it is not daungerous vntill the Church haue defined and then secondly after definitiue sentence let him imbrace it as a matter of faith without further examination Me thinkes this triall is too too easie that a catholike should put himselfe into such complete armour as y e Apostle biddeth as to haue his loines girt with veritie his feete shod with the preparation of the Gospell to take vnto him the shield of faith the sword of the spirit to make such search and examination for the truth of God and when it comes to the point so he keepe himselfe within compasse of the visible Church which is verie spacious he may safely fight on which side he list without daunger and when sentence is past yeelde consent with securitie Which position I must needes confesse hath the aduantage of mans nature farre aboue the other For that which we desire and wish for we are easily induced to beleeue wherefore euery man naturally affecting to enioy securitie with all facilitie and ease that may bee doth willingly perswade himselfe of this and the like plausible conceites euen by the sway of his owne inclination Which thing makes it no whit lesse suspected of errour but rather much more because euery naturall motion and desire arising out of the inferior part of the soule must by the kingdome of Christ be either quite subdued and rooted out or at the least so crossed and qualified as it seldome remaines the same So then to draw this whole poynt to a