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A41553 A request to Roman Catholicks to answer the queries upon these their following tenets ... by a moderate son of the Church of England. Gordon, James, 1640?-1714. 1687 (1687) Wing G1282; ESTC R9547 37,191 48

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qu._n 1._o when_o nectarius_n with_o his_o church_n of_o constantinople_n discharge_v for_o ever_o the_o office_n of_o penitentiaries_n because_o of_o a_o scandalous_a deacon_n can_v it_o rational_o be_v presume_v that_o this_o office_n be_v ever_o repute_v by_o they_o a_o sacrament_n but_o rather_o at_o the_o best_a a_o expedient_a to_o prepare_v man_n for_o it_o for_o we_o be_v bind_v in_o charity_n to_o think_v that_o neither_o the_o bishop_n nor_o that_o church_n will_v have_v ever_o consent_v to_o the_o abolition_n of_o a_o sacrament_n for_o the_o sake_n of_o such_o a_o scandal_n as_o happen_v in_o the_o mis-management_n of_o it_o or_o if_o they_o have_v do_v so_o much_o less_o can_v it_o be_v imagine_v that_o the_o great_a part_n of_o the_o christian_a church_n will_v have_v concur_v with_o they_o in_o it_o moreover_o since_o the_o ancient_a church_n have_v no_o form_n of_o absolution_n but_o only_o the_o admit_v penitent_n to_o the_o communion_n where_o then_o shall_v the_o form_n of_o that_o pretend_a sacrament_n be_v find_v among_o the_o ancient_n 2._o if_o the_o absolution_n of_o a_o roman_a priest_n have_v the_o power_n to_o convert_v attrition_n that_o be_v such_o a_o consternation_n of_o mind_n as_o fell_v upon_o judas_n when_o he_o go_v and_o hang_v himself_o into_o the_o grace_n of_o contrition_n as_o divers_a popish_a casuist_n aver_v have_v it_o not_o be_v a_o unspeakable_a happiness_n to_o that_o betrayer_n of_o the_o best_a master_n that_o ever_o be_v to_o have_v rencountre_v in_o the_o way_n of_o strive_v such_o a_o priest_n when_o he_o be_v seek_v after_o some_o instrument_n to_o become_v felo_fw-la de_fw-la se._n sect_n xv._n of_o the_o sacrament_n of_o marriage_n with_o the_o clergy_n restraint_n therefrom_o qu._n 1._o if_o marriage_n be_v a_o sacrament_n and_o confer_v grace_n as_o baptism_n and_o the_o eucharist_n wherefore_o do_v they_o restrain_v their_o consecrate_a person_n from_o that_o supernatural_a quality_n since_o it_o be_v only_o a_o ecclesiastical_a restraint_n they_o pretend_v unto_o 2._o since_o god_n have_v sufficient_o declare_v his_o approbation_n of_o the_o marriage_n of_o the_o clergy_n in_o that_o the_o whole_a world_n have_v be_v twice_o by_o his_o appointment_n people_v by_o two_o marry_a priest_n viz._n adam_n and_o noah_n and_o that_o he_o tie_v the_o priesthood_n under_o the_o law_n to_o a_o race_n of_o marry_a people_n and_o that_o the_o scripture_n have_v tell_v we_o marriage_n be_v honourable_a in_o all_o and_o place_v it_o among_o the_o qualification_n of_o a_o bishop_n that_o he_o be_v the_o husband_n of_o one_o wife_n have_v faithful_a child_n not_o to_o speak_v of_o that_o canon_n of_o the_o council_n of_o gangra_n nor_o of_o the_o discourse_n of_o paphnutius_fw-la in_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a nor_o of_o spiridion_n s._n hilary_n eucherius_n lugdunensis_n and_o many_o other_o primitive_a bishop_n who_o be_v marry_v beside_o the_o apostle_n s_o peter_n may_v it_o not_o be_v pertinent_o inquire_v if_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n borrow_v their_o doctrine_n of_o the_o unlawfulness_n of_o the_o marriage_n of_o priest_n from_o the_o manichee_n who_o allow_v marriage_n to_o their_o hearer_n as_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n do_v to_o laic_n but_o forbid_v it_o to_o their_o elect_n as_o that_o church_n do_v to_o her_o priest_n 3._o have_v not_o aeneas_n silvius_n afterward_o p._n pius_n the_o second_o good_a reason_n to_o write_v that_o in_o consideration_n of_o the_o vile_a abuse_n of_o the_o celibacy_n of_o the_o clergy_n whatever_o reason_n the_o clergy_n have_v at_o first_o to_o restrain_v they_o from_o marriage_n now_o for_o much_o better_a reason_n they_o ought_v to_o be_v restore_v to_o that_o which_o god_n have_v make_v the_o privilege_n of_o all_o man_n who_o can_v contain_v sect_n xvi_o of_o the_o sacrament_n of_o extreme_a unction_n quest._n suppose_v the_o administration_n of_o extreme_a unction_n to_o die_a person_n as_o a_o sacrament_n have_v be_v the_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n in_o all_o age_n though_o for_o a_o thousand_o year_n after_o christ_n we_o find_v no_o such_o thing_n how_o can_v the_o practice_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v reconcile_v to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o s._n james_n or_o s._n mark_n for_o these_o be_v their_o scripture-pretence_n who_o manifest_o show_v we_o that_o the_o design_n of_o that_o anoint_v be_v the_o recovery_n of_o the_o patient_n the_o gift_n of_o miraculous_a healing_n not_o be_v cease_v in_o the_o day_n of_o s._n james_n whereas_o the_o romanist_n do_v not_o practice_v that_o ceremony_n till_o all_o hope_n of_o recovery_n be_v past_a sect_n xvii_o of_o tradition_n qu._n 1._o of_o those_o who_o magnify_v the_o tradition_n of_o the_o church_n so_o high_o as_o to_o imagine_v that_o the_o very_a credit_n of_o the_o scripture_n depend_v thereon_o or_o that_o it_o give_v the_o scripture_n its_o authority_n which_o be_v as_o much_o as_o to_o say_v that_o man_n give_v authority_n to_o god_n word_n it_o may_v be_v demand_v what_o if_o the_o church_n shall_v have_v conceal_v or_o teach_v otherwise_o of_o those_o write_n than_o as_o of_o the_o undoubted_a oracle_n of_o god_n will_v she_o not_o have_v err_v damnable_o in_o her_o tradition_n 2._o since_o tradition_n in_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v take_v in_o to_o supply_v the_o imaginary_a defect_n of_o scripture_n and_o the_o authority_n thereof_o to_o supply_v the_o defect_n of_o tradition_n do_v it_o not_o hence_o follow_v that_o neither_o scripture_n nor_o tradition_n signify_v any_o thing_n without_o the_o church_n authority_n and_o consequent_o it_o must_v needs_o be_v the_o rule_n of_o their_o faith_n that_o be_v they_o believe_v themselves_o 3._o since_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o millenaries_n be_v unanimous_o receive_v as_o a_o apostolic_a tradition_n in_o the_o 2d_o and_o 3d_o century_n of_o the_o church_n mere_o upon_o the_o authority_n and_o antiquity_n of_o papias_n who_o live_v 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peter_n and_o s._n paul_n may_v it_o not_o be_v pertinent_o demand_v what_o stress_n can_v be_v lay_v upon_o a_o pretence_n of_o apostolic_a tradition_n sixteen_o hundred_o year_n after_o christ_n suppose_v it_o be_v now_o become_v universal_a but_o especial_o when_o it_o be_v but_o the_o particluar_n tradition_n of_o a_o particular_a church_n 4._o what_o great_a certainty_n can_v be_v give_v of_o the_o uncertainty_n of_o oral_a tradition_n as_o it_o be_v contradistinguish_v from_o the_o scripture_n than_o this_o consideration_n that_o of_o all_o christ_n say_v and_o no_o doubt_n he_o speak_v much_o in_o point_n of_o morality_n which_o be_v not_o express_v in_o the_o gospel_n nothing_o be_v find_v in_o any_o authentic_a record_n save_o the_o scripture_n except_o that_o one_o expression_n preserve_v by_o s._n hierom_n be_v thou_o never_o merry_a unless_o thou_o see_v thy_o brother_n live_v in_o charity_n for_o which_o notable_a expression_n we_o have_v the_o sole_a authority_n of_o s._n 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