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A25796 The Lord Marques of Argyle's speech to a grand committee of both Houses of Parliament the 25th of this instant June, 1646 together with some papers of the commissioners for the kingdom of Scotland, wherein they do give their consent to the sending of the propositions of peace to His Majesty, and desire their armies to be supplyed, and the accounts between the kingdoms to be perfected, to the end all armies may be disbanded, &c. : also His Majesties letter to the Marques of Ormond discharging all further treaty with the Irish rebels : and a letter from General Major Monro concerning the state of affairs in Ireland.; Speech to a grand committee of both Houses of Parliament the 25th of this instant June 1646 Argyll, Archibald Campbell, Marquis of, 1598-1661.; Ormonde, James Butler, Duke of, 1610-1688.; Monro, Robert.; England and Wales. Parliament.; Scotland. Parliament.; England and Wales. Sovereign (1625-1649 : Charles I) 1646 (1646) Wing A3671; ESTC R23323 9,624 18

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the reasons formerly represented to both Houses of which some still stand in force though others of them be taken away by the new expedients It being alwayes understood that our not dissenting from nor opposing of the sending of the propositions as they now stand shall be no prejudice nor impediment to all or any one of the Articles of the solemne League and Covenant especially to the first Articles concerning the preservation of the reformed Religion in the Church of Scotland in Doctrine Worship Discipline and Government against our common Enemies the Reformation of Religion in the Kingdom of England and Ireland in doctrine worship discipline and government according to the word of God and example of the best reformed Churches and the bringing of the Churches of God in the three Kingdoms to the neerest conjunction and uniformity in Religion confession of Faith Forme of Church government directory for worship and Catechising which things both Kingdoms are by Covenant obliged sincerely and really to endevour and that not for a time but constantly so that neither of the Kingdoms can be loosed or acquitted from the most strict and solemne obligation of their continued and constant endevouring these good ends so farre as any of them is not yet obtained It being also understood that our concurrence to the sending of the propositions shall be without prejudice to any agreement or Treaty betweene the Kingdoms and shall not infringe any engagement made to the Kingdom of Scotland nor be any hind●rance to our insisting upon the other propositions already made known to the Houses and it being understood that it is not our Judgement that every particular and circumstance of these propositions is of so great importance to these Kingdomes as Peace and Warre should depend thereupon Upon these grounds which we make knowne onely for clearing our consciences and for discharging our selves in the trust put upon us without the least thought of retarding the so much longed for Peace we condescend and agree that the propositions as they are now resolved upon be in the name of both Kingdoms presented to the King whose heart we beseech the Lord wholly to incline to the Councells of Truth and Peace 25. Iune 1646. By the command of the Commissioners for the Kingdom of Scotland Iohn Cheisley Another Paper wherein the Commissioners for the Kingdome of Scotland desire their Armies in England and Ireland to be supplied the Accounts to be perfected and all Armies disbanded c. HAving so often represented by Papers and now by word to the Honourable Houses the extreame necessities of our Armies in England and Ireland We shall not trouble them with unnecessary repetition but onely mention those desires which require their very speedy consideration 1 We desire that for easing the Countrey of their great pressures and preventing many dangerous inconveniences the quarters of the Scottish Army in the North of this Kingdome may be enlarged and a considrable supply of money dispatched unto them 2 That money Provisions and ammunition may be sent to the Scottish army in Ireland and the same care taken in providing for them as for other forces imployed in that kingdome 3 That the 5000 Armes long since promised and in an Ordinance of both Houses of the 26 of August 1645 referred to the care of the Committee sitting at Habberdashers-hall may be speedily provided and that the honourable Houses will be pleased to grant power to that Committee to contract and make payment as well as to treat for furnishing of these Armes by reason of which defect in the Ordinance the sending of these Armes hath been hitherto retarded 4 That to prevent the further invasion of the Kingdome of Scotland by the Irish Rebels ships may be presently sent to attend the coasts betwixt Scotland and Ireland and the Commanders of these ships authorised with such instructions as are agreeable to the Treaties between the Kingdomes 5 That the Honourable Houses will be pleased to send Commissioners to joyne with the Committee of Estates residing with the Scottish Army who may be witnesses as of their other proceedings so of their earnest desires and reall endeavours with the King for giving speedy and full satisfaction to both Kingdoms And it is also our earnest request that these Commissioners may have power to Treat and agree with the Committee of Estates concerning the stating of the accompts and setling any differences that may arise thereupon And further to Treat and agree upon Overtures estimated Mediums or expedients for the speedy setling therereof which we are confident may be done in a very few dayes and either finally to conclude them or represent them to both Houses whereby withall possible expedition upon the setling of the Propositions and accompts such course may be taken as all Armes may be disbanded the Kingdoms eased of their heavy pressures and insupportable burthens that so all things being setled in a brotherly way we and our posterity may after so unhappy and troublesome a War enjoy a quiet and blessed Peace 25. Iune 1646. By Command of the Commissioners for the Kingdom of Scotland Iohn Cheisly His Majesties Letter to the Marquesse of Ormond CHARLES R. RIght trusty c. Having long with much griefe looked upon the sad condition our Kingdome of Ireland hath been in these divers yeeres through the wicked and desperate Rebellion there and the bloody effects have ensued thereupon for the setling whereof we would have wholly applied our selves if the difference betwixt Us and Our Subjects here had not diver●●d and withdrawn Us and not having been able by force for that respect to reduce them we were necessitated for the present safety of Our Protestant Subjects there to give you power and authority to treat with them upon such pious honourable and safe grounds as the good of that Our Kingdome did then require But for many reasons too long for a Letter We thinke fit to require you to proceed no further in Treaty with the Rebels nor to engage us upon any conditions with them after sight hereof And having formerly found such reall proofes of your ready obedience to our commands We doubt not of your care in this wherein Our service and the good of Our Protestant Subjects in Ireland is so much concerned From Newcastle the 11 of June 1646. Right Honorable IT being my duty to represent unto your honours the condition of affaires here touching our Army and these of the Brittish Army who were engaged with us in the service being extraordinarily scarce of provisions and hearing from all parts that the Irish had no considerable Army on foot for preservation of our quarters it was resolved by joynt advice to make to the Feilds with a Moneths provision for to purchase victualls or Cattell from the enemy So that we entred our march the second of Iune being effective under Armes 3400 fooot and eleven Troopes of horse with six feilding peeces And Colonell Monro was to joyne with us at Glashloch with
The Lord Marques of Argyle's SPEECH TO A Grand Committee OF Both Houses of Parliament The 25th of this instant JUNE 1646. Together with some Papers of the Commissioners for the Kingdom of Scotland Wherein they do give their consent to the sending of the Propositions of Peace to His Majesty And desire their Armies to be supplyed and the Accounts between the Kingdoms to be perfected To the end all ARMIES may be disbanded c. ALSO His Majesties Letter to the Marques of Ormond discharging all further Treaty with the Irish Rebels And a Letter from General Major Monro concerning the state of Affairs in IRELAND Published by AUTHORITY LONDON Printed for Laurence Chapman June 27. 1646. The Lord Marques of Argyle his Speech to a Grand Committee of both Houses Iune 25. 1646. My Lords and Gentlemen THough I have had the Honor to be named by the Kingdom of Scotland in all the Commissions which had relation to this Kingdom since the beginning of this War yet I had never the happinesse to be with Your Lordships till now wherein I reverence Gods Providence that he hath brought me hither at such an opportunity when I may boldly say it is in the power of the two Kingdoms yea I may say in Your Lordships power to make us both happy if You make good use of this occasion by setling Religion the Peace and Union of these Kingdoms The work of Reformation in these Kingdoms is so great a work as no Age nor History can parallel since Christs days for no one Nation had ever such a Reformation set forth unto them much lesse three Kingdoms So that this Generation may truly think themselves happy if they can be Instrumental in it And as the work is very great so it cannot be expected but it must have great and powerful Enemies not only flesh and blood which hate to be Reformed but Principalities and Powers the Rulers of the darknesse of this world and Spiritual wickednesses in high places As the dangers are great we must look the better to our duties and the best way to perform these is to keep us by the Rules which are to be found in our National Covenant principally the Word of God and in its own place the Example of the best Reformed Churches And in our way we must beware of some rocks which are temptations both upon the right left hand so that we must hold the middle path Upon the one part we would take heed not to setle lawlesse Liberty in Religion whereby in stead of Uniformity we should set up a thousand Heresies Schisms which is directly contrary and destructive to our Covenant Upō the other part we are to look that we persecute not Piety Peaceable men who cānot through scruple of Conscience come up in all things to the cōmon Rule But that they may have such a forbearance as may be according to the Word of God may consist with the Covenant and not be destructive to the Rule it self nor to the Peace of the Church and Kingdom wherein I will insist no further either to wrong Your Lordships patience or judgements who I doubt not will be very careful to do every thing according to our Covenant As to the other point concerning the Peace and Union of the Kingdoms I know it is that which all professe they desire I hope it is that all do aim at Sure I am it is that which all men ought to study and endeavor And I think it not amisse to remember Your Lordships of some former experiences as an Argument to move us to be wise for the future If the Kingdom of England in the 1640. year of God then sitting in Parliament had concurred as they were desired against the Kingdom of Scotland No question we had been brought to many difficulties which blessed be God was by the Wisdom of the Honorable Houses prevented So likewise when this Kingdom was in difficulties if the Kingdom of Scotland had not willingly yea cheerfully sacrificed their Peace to concur with this Kingdom Your Lordships all know what might have been the danger Therefore let us hold fast that Union which is so happily established betwixt us And let nothing make us again two who are so many ways one All of one Language in one Island all under one King one in Religion yea one in Covenant so that in effect we differ in nothing but in the name so do Brethren which I wish were also removed that we might be altogether one if the two Kingdoms shall think fit For I dare say not the greatest Kingdom in the Earth can prejudice both so much as one of them may do the other I will forbear at this time to speak of the many Jealousies I hear are suggested for as I do not love them so I delight not to mention them Only one I cannot forbear to speak of as if the Kingdom of Scotland were too much affected with the Kings Interest I will not deny but the Kingdom of Scotland by reason of the Raign of many Kings His Progenitors over them hath a natural affection to His Majesty whereby they wish he may be rather Reformed then Ruined Yet experience may tell that personal regard to Him hath never made them forget that common Rule The Safety of the People is the Supreme Law So likewise their love to Monarchy makes them very desirous that it may be rather regulated then destroyed which I hope I need not to mention further to Your Lordships who I trust are of the same minde I know likewise there are many Jealousies and unjust Aspersions cast upon the Scotish Armies in England and Ireland I can if it were needful presently produce heads of a Declaration intended by the Army in England for vindicating themselves from such Injuries and shewing the clearnesse of their Resolutions and Integrity both in the Cause and towards this Kingdom wherein their undertakings and coming in at such a season of the year their hard sufferings and constant endeavors since may be sufficient testimonies Therfore I am the more bold to desire Your Lordships That so long as they stay in England which I wish may be for a short time they may be supplied with some moneys and their quarters enlarged least their lying in too narrowquarters make the burthen in supportable to that exhausted corner of the Countrey where they now remain and so beget out-cryes against them when they are not-enabled to discharge their quarters as other Armies within the Kingdom As for the Army in Ireland I have been an eye witness to their sufferings and so may speak of it likewise upon certain knowledge that never men have suffered greater hardships who might have been provided for they have lived many times upon a few Beans measured out to them by number and never had any other drink but water And when they were in some better condition they had but an Irish Peck of rough Oats for a whole week And now at
their best conditiō when they are quartered upon the country which is able to entertain them only for a very short time they have only an Irish Peck of Oat-meal or a shilling in the ten days both for meat and drink Therefore according to the many desires given in to the Honorable Houses for that end I humbly entreat that Your Lordships will take care to provide for them so long as it is thought fit they remain in that Kingdom For a renewed testimony of our earnest desires to comply with the Honorable Houses for setling the Peace of these Kingdoms so much longed for We do return unto Your Lordships the Propositions of Peace which we received on Tuesday last with our consent thereunto wishing they may be hasted to His Majesty who hath so often called for them And I likewise offer to Your Lordships the copy of His Majesties Letter to my L Ormond discharging him from any further medling in any Treaty with the Rebels in Ireland I hope in order to His Majesties further condescending to the setling of that Proposition concerning Ireland and the rest of the Propositions now to be sent unto Him Another Paper there is which concerns the supplying of the Scotish Armies in England and Ireland and the perfecting of the Accompts between the Kingdoms together with a Letter from Gen Major Monro to the Committee of Estates of the Kingdom of Scotland concerning the state of affairs in Ireland All which when Your Lordships have considered I trust ye will take such course therein as may satisfie our just desires may put an end to our present troubles and settle these Kingdoms in a happy Peace The Paper wherein the Commissioners for the Kingdom of Scotland consent to the Propositions of PEACE IT is above a twelve moneth sithence we did earnestly presse the sending of Propositions to the King for a safe and well grounded Peace In answer whereunto the Honorable Houses were pleased to acquaint us That they had resolved Propositions should be sent to His Majesty but did intend to make some alterations in the former Propositions and after eight or nine Moneths deliberation we received from the Honorable Houses some of those Propositions And though we did finde therein very material Additions Alterations and Omissions which for their great importance and the interest of the Kingdom of Scotland therein might very well have required the delay of an Answer until the Estates of that Kingdom had been consulted yet so unwilling were we to retard the means of Peace that in a Fortnights time we returned an Answer upon the whole Propositions And the Houses of Parliament not resting satisfied therewith in less then ten dayes we prepared a further Answer wherein we did very much comply with the Desires of the Honorable Houses especially in the matter of the setling of the Militia of England Ireland and in other things did shew our readinesse to hear or propose such Expedients as might determine our Differences So that in a whole years time the Propositions have not remained in our hands the space of four weeks which we only mention to clear our proceedings frō mistakes aspersions And the Househaving now after two months further deliberation delivered unto us upon the 23. of this instant June all the Propositions they intend to send to the King at this time We do without any delay return such an Answer Resolution thereupon as will be to the present and future Generations one undenyable Testimony besides many others of the Integrity Faithfulnesse of the Kingdom of Scotland in their Solemn League and Covenant of their love to Peace and earnest desire to satisfie their Brethren of England in those things which concern the good and Government of this Kingdom Being further Resolved touching the Kingdom of Scotland That as nothing of single or sole concernment to that Nation did engage them in this War so nothing of that nature shall continue the same Although these Propositions now to be sent do much differ from the Propositions formerly agreed upon by the Parliaments of both Kingdoms and the most material Additions Omissions and Alterations are in such particulars as concern the joynt Interest mutual Confidence Conjunction of both Kingdoms which were as we conceive much better provided for and strengthned by the former Propositions then by these although the particular Propositions presented by us concerning the Kingdom of Scotland are not yet agreed unto by the houses of Parliament as was offered in their Paper of the 10. of April although divers Propositions of joynt concernment be now superseded and the sending of them delayed to a more convenient time as is expressed in the Votes of both Houses the 26. of March and although which is to us more then all the rest those Ordinances of Parliament unto which the fifth and sixth Propositions do relate and were therefore cōmunicated unto us upon our desire to see what the Houses had already agreed upon concerning Religion do not contain the establishment of such a Reformation of Religion and Uniformity as was expected and was the chief end of our Engagement in this War And as all these Ordinances put together come short of what we wished so there are some particulars which we conceive to be inconsistent with the Word of God and the Example of the best Reformed Churches and therefore cannot in our consciences consent unto them which particulars were expressed to both Houses in the Remonstrance of the Commissioners of the Church of Scotland of the date March 26. 1646. Yet neverthelesse we do so earnestly desire and so highly value the easing of the heavie pressures under which both Kingdoms groan and the bringing of this bloody lasting War to a speedy and happy end considering withal that not onely the Book of Common-Prayer and the Prelatical Government are abolished and a common Directory of Worship established in both Kingdoms but that likewise the Ordinances aforementioned do contain divers parts of a positive Reformation Uniformity in Church-Government unto which we formerly gave our consent in our Answer upon the whole Propositions of Peace of the 20. of April and for so happy beginnings and so good a foundation laid for the future we heartily thank God and do acknowledge the Zeal Piety and Wisdom of the Honorable Houses therein remembring also that these Ordinances do not contain the whole Model of Church-Government and that the Houses have been pleased to expresse That it cannot be expected that a perfect Rule in every particular should be setled all at once but that there will be need of Supplements and Additions and happily of Alterations in some things as experience shall bring to light the necessity thereof Upon these considerations as we doe cheerfully consent to many materiall parts of these propositions so we resolve to make no let but to give way to the sending of such other particulars therein contained with which we are unsatisfied in the matter for