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A34439 Motives of conversion to the Catholick faith, as it is professed in the reformed Church of England by Neal Carolan ... Carolan, Neal. 1688 (1688) Wing C605; ESTC R15923 53,424 72

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18._o c._n 47._o andr._n id_fw-la
against_o image_n worship_n the_o sact_v of_o epiphanius_n rend_v the_o veil_n that_o hang_v in_o the_o church_n of_o anablatha_n be_v effectual_a to_o demonstrate_v what_o a_o abomination_n it_o be_v in_o his_o day_n and_o in_o his_o opinion_n to_o worship_v image_n which_o himself_n in_o his_o epistle_n to_o john_n bishop_n of_o jerusalem_n translate_v by_o st._n hierom_n out_o of_o greek_a into_o latin_n do_v thus_o explain_v i_o find_v there_o say_v he_o a_o veil_n hang_v at_o the_o door_n of_o the_o church_n die_v 60._o inveni_fw-la ibi_fw-la velum_fw-la pendens_fw-la in_o foribus_fw-la ejusdem_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la tinctum_fw-la atque_fw-la depictum_fw-la &_o habens_fw-la imaginem_fw-la quast_o christi_fw-la vel_fw-la sancti_fw-la cujusdam_fw-la non_fw-la enim_fw-la satis_fw-la memini_fw-la cujus_fw-la image_n fuerit_fw-la cum_fw-la ergo_fw-la hoc_fw-la vidissem_fw-la in_o ecclesiâ_fw-la christi_fw-la contra_fw-la auctoritatem_fw-la scripturarum_fw-la hominis_fw-la pendere_fw-la imagi_n nem_fw-la scidi_fw-la idud_n &_o magis_fw-la dedi_fw-la consilium_fw-la custodibus_fw-la ejusdem_fw-la loci_fw-la ut_fw-la pauperom_n mortuum_fw-la eo_fw-la obvelverent_a &_o efferrent_fw-la epiph._n ep._n ad_fw-la joan._n hierosolym_n tom._n 2._o oper_n hieron_n ep._n 60._o and_o paint_a and_o have_v the_o image_n as_o it_o be_v of_o christ_n or_o some_o saint_n for_o i_o do_v not_o well_o remember_v who_o image_n it_o be_v when_o therefore_o i_o see_v this_o that_o contrary_a to_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o scripture_n the_o image_n of_o a_o man_n be_v hang_v up_o in_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n i_o cut_v it_o and_o give_v counsel_n to_o the_o keeper_n of_o the_o place_n that_o they_o shall_v wrap_v and_o bury_v some_o poor_a dead_a man_n in_o it_o and_o afterward_o he_o entreat_v the_o bishop_n of_o jerusalem_n under_o who_o government_n this_o church_n be_v to_o give_v charge_n thereafter_o supra_fw-la praecipere_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la christi_fw-la istiusmodi_fw-la 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