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this_o be_v but_o crave_v the_o whole_a question_n and_o i_o have_v refute_v these_o quarrel_n in_o a_o short_a writing_n hereafter_o follow_v about_o the_o comparison_n of_o the_o ministry_n with_o marriage_n which_o yet_o you_o have_v no_o leisure_n to_o answer_v this_o whole_a three_o year_n together_o and_o upwarde_o and_o further_o you_o do_v not_o show_v any_o utter_a and_o apsolute_a separation_n from_o the_o whole_a church_n of_o the_o jew_n a_o great_a while_n after_o christ_n but_o the_o contrary_n be_v see_v act._n 21.23.24.26_o though_o from_o some_o one_o or_o two_o synagogue_n they_o separate_v after_o full_a experience_n of_o their_o obstinate_a &_o malicious_a resistance_n of_o the_o truth_n which_o we_o deny_v not_o touch_v the_o conclusion_n in_o the_o conclusion_n of_o my_o former_a reply_n to_o prove_v your_o utter_a separation_n from_o we_o a_o paradox_n
and_o ministry_n it_o be_v no_o unmeet_a thing_n that_o you_o use_v the_o weapon_n of_o antichrist_n which_o be_v chief_o two_o falsehood_n and_o violence_n of_o the_o former_a whereof_o your_o book_n be_v full_a from_o end_n to_o end_n speak_v lie_n through_o hypocrisy_n and_o with_o the_o latter_a your_o church_n which_o you_o will_v defend_v abound_v as_o your_o violent_a course_n against_o the_o truth_n will_v always_o testify_v to_o your_o face_n howsoever_o you_o shame_v not_o to_o plead_v even_o for_o this_o also_o for_o which_o see_v before_o pag._n 112.133.134_o if_o you_o write_v again_o be_v better_o advise_v chap._n rev._n 14._o &_o 18._o chap._n psal_n 84._o jer._n 50._o and_o 51._o chap._n or_o rather_o learn_v to_o lay_v your_o hand_n on_o your_o mouth_n and_o plead_v the_o cyuse_n of_o antichrist_n no_o more_o but_o follow_v the_o lamb_n whithersoever_o he_o go_v and_o give_v yourself_o no_o rest_n until_o you_o appear_v before_o god_n in_o zion_n forsake_v babel_n let_v jerusalem_n come_v up_o on_o your_o heart_n and_o help_v you_o to_o build_v the_o wall_n thereof_o though_o it_o be_v in_o a_o strait_a and_o troublous_a tyme._n and_o this_o which_o i_o speak_v unto_o you_o by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n i_o wish_v to_o be_v mind_v of_o all_o that_o fear_n god_n and_o love_v the_o lord_n jesus_n he_o that_o have_v ear_n to_o hear_v let_v he_o hear_v math._n 13.9_o a_o table_n of_o some_o particular_a thing_n contain_v in_o this_o book_n antichristian_a corruption_n yet_o have_v in_o the_o church_n of_o england_n pag._n 63._o etc._n etc._n antichrist_n of_o two_o sort_n pag._n 95._o of_o the_o apocrypha_fw-la book_n pag._n 22._o 60._o the_o chaldean_a and_o spiritual_a babylon_n compare_v together_o pag._n 99_o etc._n etc._n of_o the_o beast_n mark_v preface_n section_n 3._o pag._n 163._o 189_o blasphemy_n in_o the_o profession_n &_o ministration_n of_o the_o church_n of_o eng._n p._n 22._o 60._o 188._o 189._o of_o the_o ancient_a and_o late_a bishop_n pag._n 129._o 162._o 183._o 203._o of_o the_o name_n brownist_n pag._n 2._o a_o true_a visible_a church_n describe_v pag._n 14._o 196._o the_o true_a church_n have_v but_o one_o lord-bishop_n the_o lord_n jesus_n christ_n p._n 163._o 189._o it_o be_v christ_n ordinance_n that_o there_o be_v true_a office_n of_o ministry_n and_o a_o lawful_a administration_n and_o to_o a_o faithful_a people_n pag._n 16._o 19_o 39_o the_o worship_n and_o ministry_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v against_o the_o prophecy_n priesthood_n and_o kingdom_n of_o christ_n pag._n 33._o etc._n etc._n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n pag._n 1._o 3._o 11._o 27._o 122_o 126._o 161._o etc._n etc._n her_o confusion_n pag._n 16._o 103._o 122._o 200._o conviction_n pag._n 42._o 53._o 78._o 108._o 130._o etc._n etc._n book_n of_o common_a prayer_n pag._n 27._o 33._o 63._o 86._o 96._o 120._o etc._n etc._n dispensation_n and_o licence_n pag._n 65._o 73._o false_a doctrine_n pag._n 122._o 157._o etc._n etc._n fundamental_a error_n pag._n 22._o 114._o 147._o excommunication_n and_o absolution_n pag._n 33._o 65._o hierarchy_n and_o ministry_n pag._n 2._o 23._o 27._o 63._o 120._o 122._o 188._o etc._n etc._n holy_a day_n pag._n 33._o 64._o idol-temple_n p._n 65._o 121._o 126._o indifferent_a opinion_n of_o the_o hierarchy_n pag._n 94._o 120._o 121._o persecution_n pag._n 66_o 108._o 112._o 133._o 177._o 178._o 197._o profession_n pag._n 21._o 60._o 120._o 171._o speak_v lie_v in_o hypocrisy_n pag._n 150._o 151._o will-worship_n and_o superstition_n pag._n 27._o 33._o 82._o 86._o 87._o the_o faith_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n abolish_v the_o second_o commandment_n and_o perfection_n of_o the_o scripture_n pag._n 38._o the_o church_n of_o engl._n hold_v all_o outward_a government_n of_o the_o church_n to_o be_v unwritren_n and_o uncertain_a pag._n 28._o 38._o the_o church_n of_o engl._n hold_v the_o invention_n of_o antichrist_n to_o be_v christ_n ordinance_n if_o the_o magistrate_n so_o please_v pag._n 61._o 69._o 72._o the_o preach_a sacrament_n prayer_n etc._n etc._n in_o the_o church_n of_o engl._n appoint_v by_o man_n precept_n pag._n 82._o 86_o 87._o none_o can_v join_v with_o any_o chutch_n or_o ministry_n of_o engl._n but_o they_o must_v needs_o partake_v with_o their_o antichristian_a abomination_n pag._n 88_o 170._o the_o estate_n of_o the_o minister_n and_o church_n of_o engl._n compare_v with_o corahs_n &c._n &c._n pag._n 32._o 53._o 130._o 138._o difference_n to_o be_v put_v between_o true_a church_n have_v corruption_n and_o false_a church_n make_v show_n of_o religion_n pag._n 92._o 133._o 161._o 195._o thing_n verify_v of_o the_o member_n of_o a_o true_a church_n may_v be_v apply_v to_o a_o false_a church_n and_o yet_o not_o justify_v their_o estate_n pag._n 83._o of_o the_o ethiopian_a church_n pag._n 94._o of_o the_o error_n of_o christ_n descension_n into_o hell_n pag._n 115._o 116._o of_o the_o foundation_n in_o christian_a religion_n pag._n 46._o 51._o some_o die_a in_o fundamental_a error_n yet_o save_v pag._n 44._o 45._o 545_o some_o hold_v no_o fundamental_a error_n yet_o condemn_v pag._n 48._o 146._o the_o false_a church_n and_o great_a heretic_n hold_v much_o truth_n pag._n 47._o 104._o 106._o 113._o 136._o 137._o the_o heathen_n acknowledge_v and_o worship_v of_o the_o true_a god_n p._n 123._o 124._o the_o papist_n bring_v more_o show_n of_o scripture_n for_o their_o gross_a heresye_n than_o mr_n jacob_n or_o any_o other_o do_v for_o the_o hierarchy_n etc._n etc._n pag._n 129._o a_o notable_a false_a doctrine_n of_o mr_n jacobs_n wherein_o it_o seem_v he_o be_v alone_o p._n 172._o three_o special_a thing_n to_o be_v note_v in_o mr_n jacobs_n reply_v pag._n 9_o how_o mr_n jacobs_n argument_n shall_v be_v propound_v pag._n 12._o popish_a shift_n use_v by_o mr_n jacob_n pag._n 26._o 30._o 32._o 128._o 136._o etc._n etc._n idolatry_n and_o false_a worship_n of_o two_o sort_n pag._n 67._o 80._o visible_a idol_n in_o the_o church_n and_o worship_n of_o england_n pag._n 120._o of_o the_o jew_n church_n preface_n section_n 4._o 5._o pag._n 83._o 84._o 89._o 195._o 197._o of_o imposition_n of_o hand_n pag._n 208._o 210._o of_o the_o forbid_a of_o marriage_n and_o meat_n pag._n 73._o 129._o 135._o 137._o 140._o 143._o 147._o of_o the_o martyr_n pag._n 8._o 29._o 40._o 44._o 54._o 67._o 79._o 182._o how_o the_o minister_n of_o england_n be_v make_v &_o order_v pag._n 188._o 189._o the_o word_n and_o sacrament_n administer_v and_o receive_v in_o the_o church_n of_o engl._n in_o and_o from_o a_o false_a ministry_n pag._n 16_o 64._o the_o oath_n ex_fw-la officio_fw-la pag._n 63._o of_o such_o as_o live_v and_o die_v papist_n etc._n etc._n pag._n 146_o of_o the_o word_n prelate_n pag._n 188._o seven_o question_n yet_o unanswered_a pag._n 164._o separation_n from_o the_o church_n of_o england_n grant_v in_o express_a word_n by_o themselves_o pag._n 156._o 157._o 169._o the_o sacrament_n administer_v in_o the_o church_n of_o england_n with_o many_o corruption_n pag._n 15._o 17._o 25._o 33._o 64._o of_o sacramental_a speech_n pag._n 117._o 118._o of_o the_o samaritan_o pag._n 104._o etc._n etc._n the_o parable_n of_o the_o tare_n pag._n 158._o 173._o testimony_n of_o the_o prelate_n themselves_o against_o the_o church_n of_o engl._n p._n 16._o 200._o testimony_n of_o the_o reformist_n against_o it_o p._n 16._o 27._o 39_o 79._o 86._o 103._o 129._o 176._o 200._o testimoyes_n of_o the_o reform_a church_n against_o it_o pag._n 17._o 176._o testimony_n of_o the_o martyr_n and_o of_o former_a time_n against_o it_o pag._n 162._o 163._o 177._o 180._o 182._o 183._o the_o testimony_n allege_v out_o of_o scripture_n for_o defence_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v also_o against_o it_o preface_n section_n 3._o 4._o 5._o 6._o pag._n 51._o 52._o 195._o of_o tithe_n and_o maintenance_n of_o the_o ministry_n pag._n 209._o 210._o the_o word_n of_o god_n only_o be_v to_o be_v our_o rule_n and_o light_n of_o our_o foot_n pag._n 22._o 30._o 34._o 203._o the_o word_n and_o ordinance_n of_o christ_n as_o plain_v for_o we_o now_o as_o be_v for_o the_o jew_n under_o the_o law_n yea_o more_o plain_a pag._n 128._o the_o objection_n of_o discontinuance_n of_o antiquity_n of_o ambiguity_n in_o expound_v the_o word_n etc._n etc._n answer_v pag._n 128._o 129._o how_o the_o lord_n abhor_v in_o his_o worship_n the_o mixture_n of_o man_n invention_n with_o his_o word_n and_o ordinance_n pag._n 61._o 101._o 209._o the_o doctrine_n and_o worship_n of_o devil_n pag._n 121._o 122._o the_o lord_n account_v they_o to_o be_v make_v and_o worship_v as_o god_n who_o ordinance_n be_v observe_v though_o it_o be_v for_o his_o worship_n pag._n 80._o 117._o 122._o prince_n and_o magistrate_n ought_v to_o abolish_v all_o false_a worship_n &_o ministerye_n and_o to_o maintain_v the_o true_a which_o god_n have_v prescribe_v in_o his_o word_n p._n 199._o though_o they_o do_v not_o yet_o ought_v all_o the_o people_n of_o god_n to_o forsake_v the_o false_a and_o cleave_v unto_o the_o true_a preface_n section_n 4._o 6._o 7._o pag._n 43._o 46._o 51._o 101._o 148._o 158._o 163._o 170._o 180._o 184._o 196._o etc._n etc._n errata_fw-la pag._n 6._o lin_v 9_o read_v thus_o the_o assumption_n and_o note_v down_o in_o the_o margin_n pag._n 86._o and_o 87._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d that_o be_v after_o a_o sort_n or_o in_o part_n pag._n 183._o mr_n tindals_n testimony_n there_o allege_v be_v in_o his_o work_n print_v together_o pag._n 176._o in_o the_o book_n call_v the_o obedience_n of_o a_o christian_a man_n pag._n 197._o lin_v 41._o sin_n as_o pag._n 200._o lin_v 38._o start_a hole_n pag._n 204._o lin_v 9_o that_o they_o finis_fw-la