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〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d what_o not_o prove_v any_o superstition_n any_o errâ—…ur_n at_o rome_n but_o by_o pride_n and_o that_o 〈◊〉_d true_o i_o will_v to_o god_n a._n c._n see_v my_o heart_n and_o all_o the_o pride_n that_o lodge_v therein_o but_o wherein_o do_v this_o pride_n appear_v that_o he_o censure_v i_o so_o deep_o why_o first_o in_o this_o that_o i_o can_v prove_v any_o error_n or_o superstition_n to_o be_v in_o the_o roman_a religion_n unless_o i_o make_v myself_o or_o 〈◊〉_d of_o my_o fellow_n judge_n of_o controversy_n indeed_o if_o i_o take_v this_o upon_o i_o i_o be_v guilty_a of_o great_a pride_n but_o a_o c._n know_v well_o that_o before_o in_o this_o conference_n which_o he_o undertake_v to_o answer_n i_o be_o so_o far_o from_o make_v myself_o or_o any_o of_o my_o fellow_n judge_n of_o controversy_n that_o 11._o that_o §._o 33._o §._o 26._o nu._n 1._o &_o 11._o i_o absolute_o make_v a_o lawful_a and_o free_a general_n council_n judge_n of_o controversy_n by_o and_o according_a to_o the_o scripture_n and_o this_o i_o learn_v from_o 3._o from_o praeponitur_fw-la scripturae_fw-la etc._n etc._n s._n aug._n l._n 2._o de_fw-fr bapt._n cont_n donat_n c._n 3._o s._n augustine_n with_o this_o that_o ever_o the_o scripture_n be_v to_o have_v the_o prerogative_n above_o the_o council_n nay_o a._n c._n shall_v remember_v here_o that_o 63._o that_o §._o 32._o nu._n 5._o a._n c._n p._n 63._o he_o himself_o tax_v i_o for_o give_v too_o much_o power_n to_o a_o general_n council_n and_o bind_v man_n to_o a_o strict_a obedience_n to_o it_o even_o in_o case_n of_o error_n and_o therefore_o sure_a most_o innocent_a i_o be_o of_o the_o intolerable_a pride_n which_o he_o be_v please_v to_o charge_n upon_o i_o and_o he_o of_o all_o man_n most_o unfit_a to_o charge_v it_o second_o a._n c._n will_v have_v my_o pride_n appear_v in_o this_o 73._o a._n c._n p._n 73._o that_o i_o take_v authority_n to_o censure_v all_o for_o
suum_fw-la praeferat_fw-la tanquam_fw-la ipse_fw-la solus_fw-la spiritum_fw-la dei_fw-la habeat_fw-la s._n bern._n serm._n 3._o ae_z resurr_n but_o saint_n bernard_n not_o so_o for_o these_o last_o word_n of_o all_o the_o christian_a church_n in_o the_o world_n be_v not_o in_o saint_n bernard_n and_o whether_o toti_n congregationi_fw-la imply_v more_o in_o that_o place_n then_o a_o particular_a church_n be_v not_o very_o manifest_a nay_o i_o think_v it_o be_v plain_a that_o he_o speak_v both_o of_o and_o to_o that_o particular_a congregation_n to_o which_o he_o be_v then_o preach_v and_o i_o believe_v a._n c._n will_v not_o easy_o find_v where_o tota_fw-la congregatio_fw-la the_o whole_a congregation_n be_v use_v in_o s._n bernard_n or_o any_o other_o of_o the_o father_n for_o the_o whole_a catholic_a church_n of_o christ._n and_o howsoever_o the_o meaning_n of_o s._n bernard_n be_v it_o be_v one_o thing_n for_o a_o private_a man_n judicium_fw-la suum_fw-la praeferre_fw-la to_o prefer_v and_o so_o follow_v his_o private_a judgement_n before_o the_o whole_a congregation_n which_o be_v indeed_o lepra_fw-la proprii_fw-la consilii_fw-la as_o s._n bernard_n there_o call_v it_o the_o proud_a leprosy_n of_o the_o private_a spirit_n and_o quite_o another_o thing_n for_o a_o intelligent_a man_n and_o in_o some_o thing_n unsatisfied_a modest_o to_o propose_v his_o doubt_n even_o to_o the_o catholic_a church_n and_o much_o more_o may_v a_o whole_a nationall_n church_n nay_o the_o whole_a body_n of_o the_o protestant_n do_v it_o and_o for_o s_n augustine_n the_o place_n allege_v out_o of_o he_o be_v a_o know_a place_n and_o he_o speak_v indeed_o of_o the_o whole_a catholic_a church_n and_o he_o 5._o he_o similiter_fw-la etiam_fw-la siquid_fw-la horum_fw-la tota_fw-la per_fw-la orbem_fw-la frequentat_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la nam_fw-la &_o hinc_fw-la quin_fw-la it_o a_o faciendum_fw-la fit_a disput_fw-la be_v insolentissimae_fw-la insaniae_fw-la est_fw-la s._n aug._n epist._n 118._o c._n 5._o say_v and_o he_o say_v it_o true_o it_o be_v a_o part_n of_o most_o insolent_a madness_n for_o any_o man_n to_o dispute_v whether_o that_o be_v to_o be_v do_v which_o be_v usual_o do_v in_o and_o through_o the_o whole_a catholic_a church_n of_o christ._n where_o first_o here_o be_v not_o a_o word_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n but_o of_o that_o which_o be_v tota_fw-la per_fw-la orbem_fw-la all_o over_o the_o world_n catholic_a which_o rome_n never_o yet_o be_v second_o a._n c._n apply_v this_o to_o 56._o a._n c._n p._n 56._o the_o roman_a faith_n whereas_o s._n augustine_n speak_v there_o express_o of_o the_o rite_n and_o ceremony_n of_o the_o church_n and_o ibid._n and_o quaeris_fw-la quid_fw-la per_fw-la quintam_fw-la feriam_fw-la ultime_fw-la hebdom_fw-la adis_fw-la quadragesimae_fw-la fire_n debet_fw-la a_o offerendum_fw-la sit_fw-la manè_fw-la etc._n etc._n s._n aug._n ibid._n particular_o about_o the_o manner_n of_o offer_v upon_o maundy-thursday_n whether_o it_o be_v in_o the_o morning_n or_o after_o supper_n or_o both_o three_o it_o be_v manifest_a by_o the_o word_n themselves_o that_o s._n augustine_n speak_v of_o no_o matter_n of_o faith_n there_o roman_a nor_o catholic_a for_o frequentat_fw-la and_o rome_n and_o and_o so_o bellarmine_n most_o express_o but_o then_o he_o add_v universam_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la non_fw-la posse_fw-la errare_fw-la non_fw-la solùm_fw-la in_o credendo_fw-la sed_fw-la nec_fw-la in_o operando_fw-la &_o praesertim_fw-la in_o ritu_fw-la &_o cultu_fw-la divino_fw-la l_o 4._o de_fw-fr verb._n dei_fw-la c._n 9_o §._o 4_o and_o if_o this_o be_v true_a what_o be_v it_o to_o rome_n faciendum_fw-la be_v for_o thing_n do_v and_o to_o be_v do_v not_o for_o thing_n believe_v or_o to_o be_v believe_v so_o here_o be_v not_o one_o word_n for_o the_o roman_a faith_n in_o either_o of_o these_o place_n and_o after_o this_o i_o hope_v you_o will_v the_o less_o wonder_n at_o a._n c_o s._n boldness_n last_o a_o right_a sober_a man_n may_v without_o the_o least_o touch_n of_o insolency_n or_o madness_n dispute_v a_o business_n of_o religion_n with_o the_o roman_a either_o church_n or_o prelate_n as_o all_o man_n know_v 22._o know_v euseb._n l._n 5._o hist._n eccl._n c._n 26_o et_fw-fr socrat._v l._n 5._o hist._n c._n 22._o irenaeus_n do_v with_o victor_n so_o it_o be_v with_o modesty_n and_o for_o the_o find_v out_o or_o confirm_v of_o truth_n free_a from_o vanity_n and_o purpose_a opposition_n against_o even_o a_o particular_a church_n but_o in_o any_o other_o way_n to_o dispute_v the_o whole_a catholic_a church_n be_v just_a that_o which_o s_n augustine_n call_v it_o insolent_a madness_n but_o now_o be_v it_o so_o that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v orthedoxe_n in_o all_o thing_n yet_o the_o faith_n by_o the_o jesuite_n leave_n be_v not_o simple_o to_o be_v call_v the_o roman_a but_o the_o christian_a and_o the_o catholic_a faith_n and_o yet_o a._n c._n will_v not_o understand_v 56._o a._n c._n p._n 56._o this_o but_o roman_a and_o catholic_a whether_o church_n or_o faith_n must_v be_v one_o and_o the_o same_o with_o he_o and_o therefore_o infer_v that_o there_o can_v be_v no_o just_a cause_n to_o make_v a_o schism_n or_o division_n from_o the_o whole_a church_n for_o the_o whole_a church_n can_v universal_o err_v in_o doctrine_n of_o faith_n that_o the_o whole_a church_n can_v universal_o err_v in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o faith_n be_v most_o true_a and_o it_o be_v grant_v by_o diverse_a 2._o diverse_a quaestio_fw-la est_fw-la an_z ecclesia_fw-la totalis_fw-la toteliter_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 1._o pro_fw-la omnibus_fw-la simul_fw-la electis_fw-la dum_fw-la sunt_fw-la membra_fw-la mâ—…tis_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la possint_fw-la errare_fw-la vel_fw-la in_o totâ_fw-la fiâ—…e_fw-la vel_fw-la in_o gravi_fw-la aliquo_fw-la fidei_fw-la puncto_fw-la et_fw-la respondemus_fw-la simplicitèr_fw-la 〈◊〉_d esse_fw-la impossibile_fw-it keckerm_n syst._n theol._n p._n 387_o edit_n hannoviae_fw-la an._n 1602._o calvinus_n &_o caeteri_fw-la haeretici_fw-la concedunt_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la absolutè_fw-la non_fw-la posse_fw-la deficcre_fw-la sed_fw-la dicunt_fw-la intelligi_fw-la debere_fw-la de_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la inviâ—…_n bellarm._n l._n 3._o de_fw-fr eccles_n milit._n c._n 13._o §._o 1._o but_o this_o exception_n of_o bellarmine_n that_o the_o protestant_n who_o out_o of_o his_o liberality_n he_o call_v heretic_n speak_v of_o the_o inâ—…isible_a church_n be_v mere_o frivolous_a for_o the_o church_n of_o the_o elect_n be_v in_o the_o church_n of_o they_o that_o be_v call_v and_o the_o invisible_a church_n in_o the_o visible_a therefore_o if_o the_o whole_a church_n of_o the_o elect_n can_v err_v in_o fundamental_o the_o whole_a visible_a church_n in_o which_o the_o same_o elect_n be_v can_v err_v now_o that_o the_o invisible_a church_n of_o the_o elect_n be_v in_o the_o visible_a be_v manifest_a out_o of_o s._n aug._n ipsa_fw-la est_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la quae_fw-la intra_fw-la sagenam_fw-la dominicam_fw-la cum_fw-la malis_fw-la piscibus_fw-la natat_fw-la s._n aug._n epist._n 48._o grana_n sunt_fw-la inter_fw-la illam_fw-la palcam_fw-la quando_fw-la area_n cum_fw-la videretur_fw-la tota_fw-la palea_fw-la putabatur_fw-la s._n aug._n in_o psal._n 121._o and_o this_o be_v prove_v at_o large_a by_o hooker_n l._n 3._o eccles._n pol._n §._o 1._o for_o else_o the_o elect_a or_o invisible_a church_n be_v tie_v to_o no_o duty_n of_o christianity_n for_o all_o such_o duty_n be_v require_v of_o the_o church_n as_o it_o be_v visible_a and_o perform_v in_o the_o church_n as_o it_o be_v visible_a and_o d_o r._n field_n speak_v as_o plain_o we_o hold_v it_o impossible_a that_o the_o church_n shall_v ever_o by_o apostasy_n and_o misbelief_n whole_o depart_v from_o god_n etc._n etc._n so_o we_o hold_v that_o it_o never_o fall_v into_o heresy_n so_o that_o bellarmine_n be_v as_o much_o to_o be_v blame_v for_o idle_a and_o needless_a busy_v himself_o to_o prove_v that_o the_o visible_a church_n never_o fall_v into_o heresy_n which_o we_o most_o willing_o grant_v field_n l._n 4._o de_fw-fr eccles._n c._n 2._o take_v the_o church_n for_o all_o the_o believer_n now_o live_v and_o in_o thing_n necessary_a to_o be_v know_v express_o ibid._n and_o bellarmine_n himself_o add_v calvinus_n dicit_fw-la hanc_fw-la propositionem_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la non_fw-la potest_fw-la errare_fw-la veram_fw-la esse_fw-la si_fw-la intelligatur_fw-la cum_fw-la duplici_fw-la restrictione_n prima_fw-la est_fw-la si_fw-la non_fw-la proponat_fw-la dogmata_fw-la extra_fw-la scripturam_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o indeed_o calvin_n do_v say_v so_o l._n 4_o instit._fw-la c._n 8._o §._o 13._o secunda_fw-la est_fw-la si_fw-la intelligatur_fw-la de_fw-fr solâ_fw-la ecclesiâ_fw-la universali_fw-la non_fw-la autem_fw-la de_fw-fr representatiuâ_fw-la bellar._n l._n 3._o de_fw-fr eccl._n milit_fw-la c._n 14._o §._o 2._o and_o i_o hope_v it_o be_v as_o good_a and_o a_o better_a restriction_n in_o calvin_n to_o say_v the_o catholic_a church_n can_v err_v if_o it_o keep_v to_o the_o scripture_n then_o for_o bellarmine_n to_o say_v the_o particular_a church_n of_o rome_n can_v err_v because_o of_o the_o pope_n reside_v there_o or_o the_o pope_n can_v
1._o we_o offer_v and_o present_a unto_o thou_o o_o lord_n ourselves_o our_o soul_n and_o body_n to_o be_v a_o reasonable_a holy_a and_o live_a sacrifice_n unto_o thou_o so_o the_o church_n of_o england_n in_o the_o prayer_n after_o the_o receive_n of_o the_o bless_a sacrament_n by_o every_o particular_a man_n for_o himself_o only_o and_o that_o be_v the_o sacrifice_n of_o every_o man_n body_n and_o soul_n to_o serve_v he_o in_o both_o all_o the_o rest_n of_o his_o life_n for_o this_o blessing_n thus_o bestow_v on_o he_o now_o thus_o far_o these_o dissent_v church_n agree_v that_o in_o the_o eucharist_n there_o be_v a_o sacrifice_n of_o duty_n and_o a_o sacrifice_n of_o praise_n and_o a_o sacrifice_n of_o commemoration_n of_o christ._n therefore_o according_a to_o the_o former_a rule_n and_o here_o in_o truth_n too_o it_o be_v fafe_a for_o a_o man_n to_o believe_v the_o commemorative_n the_o praise_v and_o the_o perform_v sacrifice_n and_o to_o offer_v they_o due_o to_o god_n and_o 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do_v and_o intend_v he_o shall_v do_v now_o all_o other_o divine_n as_o well_o ancient_a as_o modern_a and_o both_o the_o dissent_v church_n also_o agree_v in_o the_o two_o former_a but_o many_o deny_v that_o the_o intention_n of_o the_o priest_n be_v necessary_a will_n a._n c._n hold_v his_o rule_n that_o it_o be_v safe_a to_o believe_v in_o a_o controvert_v point_n of_o faith_n that_o which_o the_o dissent_v party_n agree_v on_o or_o which_o the_o adverse_a part_n confess_v if_o he_o will_v not_o then_o why_o shall_v he_o press_v that_o as_o a_o rule_n to_o direct_v other_o which_o he_o will_v not_o be_v guide_v by_o himself_o and_o if_o he_o will_v then_o he_o must_v go_v profess_o against_o the_o 11._o the_o con._n trid._n sess._n 7._o can._n 11._o council_n of_o trent_n which_o have_v determine_v it_o as_o defy_v as_o a_o point_n of_o faith_n that_o the_o intention_n of_o the_o priest_n be_v necessary_a to_o make_v the_o baptism_n true_a and_o valid_a though_o in_o the_o 1622._o the_o histor._n con._n trid._n l._n 2._o p._n 277._o edit_fw-la lat._n leyâ—…_n dae_fw-la 1622._o history_n of_o that_o council_n it_o be_v most_o apparent_a the_o bishop_n and_o other_o divine_n there_o can_v not_o tell_v what_o to_o answer_v to_o the_o bishop_n of_o minor_n a_o neapolitan_a who_o declare_v his_o judgement_n open_o against_o it_o in_o the_o face_n of_o that_o council_n my_o five_o instance_n be_v we_o say_v and_o can_v easy_o 5._o punct_a 5._o prove_v there_o be_v divers_a error_n and_o some_o gross_a one_o in_o the_o roman_a missal_n but_o i_o myself_o have_v hear_v some_o jesuite_n confess_v that_o in_o the_o liturgy_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n there_o be_v no_o positive_a error_n and_o be_v press_v why_o then_o they_o refuse_v to_o come_v to_o our_o church_n and_o serve_v god_n with_o we_o they_o answer_v they_o can_v not_o do_v it_o because_o though_o our_o liturgy_n have_v in_o it_o nothing_o ill_a yet_o it_o want_v a_o great_a deal_n of_o that_o which_o 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a._n c._n give_v i_o leave_v to_o tell_v you_o your_o fellow_n jesuite_n 1616._o jesuite_n quintò_fw-la quaeritur_fw-la a_o ubi_fw-la catholici_fw-la unà _fw-la cum_fw-la haereticis_fw-la versantur_fw-la licitum_fw-la sit_fw-la catholico_n adiâ—…_n templa_fw-la ad_fw-la quae_fw-la haeretici_fw-la conveniunt_fw-la eorum_fw-la interest_n conventibus_fw-la etc._n etc._n respondeo_fw-la sirei_fw-la naturam_fw-la spectemus_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la per_fw-la se_fw-la malum_fw-la sed_fw-la suà _fw-la naturâ_fw-la indifferens_fw-la etc._n etc._n aec_fw-la postea_fw-la si_fw-mi princeps_fw-la haeresi_fw-la laboret_fw-la &_o jubeat_fw-la subditos_fw-la catholicos_fw-la sub_fw-la poena_fw-la mortis_fw-la vel_fw-la confiscationis_fw-la bonorum_fw-la frequentare_fw-la templa_fw-la haereticoâ—…_n quid_fw-la tum_fw-la faciendum_fw-la respondeo_fw-la si_fw-la jubeat_fw-la
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ad_fw-la quod_fw-la sacrificium_fw-la svo_fw-la loco_fw-la &_o ordine_fw-la homines_fw-la dei_fw-la nominantur_fw-la non_fw-la tamen_fw-la à _fw-la sacerdote_fw-la qui_fw-la sacrificat_fw-la invocantur_fw-la s._n aug._n l._n 22._o civ_o dei_fw-la c._n 10._o s._n augustine_n and_o when_o the_o church_n pray_v to_o god_n for_o any_o thing_n she_o desire_v to_o be_v hear_v for_o the_o mercy_n and_o the_o merit_n of_o christ_n not_o for_o the_o merit_n of_o any_o saint_n whatsoever_o for_o i_o much_o doubt_v this_o be_v to_o make_v the_o saint_n more_o than_o mediator_n of_o intercession_n which_o be_v all_o that_o etc._n that_o bellarm._n l._n 1._o de_fw-fr sanâ—…r_fw-fr beatitud_n c._n 20._o §._o ad_fw-la primum_fw-la ergo_fw-la locum_fw-la etc._n etc._n you_o will_v acknowledge_v you_o allow_v the_o saint_n for_o i_o pray_v be_v not_o by_o the_o merit_n more_o than_o by_o the_o intercession_n do_v not_o christ_n redeem_v we_o by_o his_o merit_n and_o if_o god_n must_v hear_v our_o prayer_n for_o the_o merit_n of_o the_o saint_n how_o much_o fall_n they_o short_a of_o sharer_n in_o the_o he_o the_o sunt_fw-la redemptores_fw-la nostri_fw-la aliquo_fw-la modo_fw-la &_o secundùm_fw-la aliquid_fw-la bellar._n l_o 1_o de_fw-fr indulgen_n c._n 4._o et_fw-la sanctos_fw-la appellat_fw-la numina_fw-la l._n 2._o the_o imagine_v sanctorum_fw-la c._n 20._o §_o 3._o now_o if_o this_o word_n numen_fw-la signify_v any_o thing_n else_o beside_o god_n himself_o or_o the_o power_n of_o god_n or_o the_o oracle_n of_o god_n let_v bellarmine_n show_v it_o or_o a._n c._n for_o he_o mediation_n of_o redemption_n you_o may_v think_v of_o this_o for_o such_o prayer_n as_o these_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n make_v at_o this_o day_n and_o they_o stand_v not_o without_o great_a scandal_n to_o christ_n and_o christianity_n use_v and_o authorize_v to_o be_v use_v in_o the_o missal_n for_o instance_n 6_o instance_n ut_fw-la ejus_fw-la meritis_fw-la &_o precibus_fw-la a_o gehennae_fw-la incendiiâ—…_n liberemur_fw-la in_o proprio_fw-la missarum_fw-la de_fw-la sanctis_fw-la decemb._n 6_o upon_o the_o feast_n of_o s._n nicolas_n you_o pray_v that_o god_n by_o the_o merit_n and_o prayer_n of_o s._n nicolas_n will_v deliver_v you_o from_o the_o fire_n of_o hell_n and_o upon_o the_o octave_n of_o s._n peter_n and_o s._n paul_n 6._o paul_n ut_fw-la amborum_fw-la meritis_fw-la aternitatis_fw-la glâ—…riam_fw-la consequamur_fw-la iâ—…id_n julii_n 6._o you_o desire_v god_n that_o you_o may_v obtain_v the_o glory_n of_o eternity_n by_o their_o merit_n and_o on_o the_o 14_o the_o ejus_fw-la intercedentibus_fw-la meritis_fw-la ab_fw-la omnibus_fw-la nos_fw-la absolve_v peccatis_fw-la ibid._n julii_n 14_o feast_n of_o s._n bonaventure_n you_o pray_v that_o god_n will_v absolve_v you_o from_o all_o your_o sin_n by_o the_o intercede_v merit_n of_o bonaventure_n and_o for_o adoration_n of_o image_n the_o finem_fw-la the_o in_o optatus_n his_o time_n the_o christian_n be_v much_o trouble_v upon_o but_o a_o false_a report_n that_o a_o image_n be_v to_o be_v place_v upon_o the_o altar_n what_o will_v they_o have_v do_v if_o adoration_n have_v be_v command_v etc._n etc._n et_fw-la rectè_fw-la dictum_fw-la or_o at_o fi_fw-la talem_fw-la samam_fw-la similis_fw-la veritas_fw-la sequeretur_fw-la optatus_n l._n 3._o ad_fw-la finem_fw-la ancient_a church_n know_v it_o not_o and_o the_o modern_a church_n of_o rome_n be_v too_o like_a to_o paganism_n in_o the_o practice_n of_o it_o and_o drive_v to_o scarce_o intelligible_a subtlety_n in_o her_o servant_n write_n that_o defend_v it_o and_o this_o without_o any_o care_n have_v of_o million_o of_o soul_n unable_a to_o understand_v her_o subtlety_n or_o shun_v her_o practice_n do_v i_o say_v the_o modern_a church_n of_o rome_n be_v grow_v too_o like_o paganism_n in_o this_o point_n and_o may_v this_o speech_n seem_v too_o hard_o well_o if_o it_o do_v i_o will_v give_v a_o double_a account_n of_o it_o the_o one_o be_v it_o be_v no_o harsh_a expression_n than_o they_o of_o rome_n use_n of_o the_o protestant_n and_o in_o case_n in_o which_o there_o be_v no_o show_n or_o resemblance_n for_o 8._o for_o sicut_fw-la non_fw-la licet_fw-la cum_fw-la ethnitis_n idela_n colere_fw-la becan_n l._n de_fw-fr fide_fw-la haret_fw-la ferâ—…anda_fw-la c._n 8._o becanus_n tell_v we_o it_o be_v no_o more_o lawful_a to_o receive_v the_o sacrament_n as_o the_o calvinist_n receive_v it_o then_o it_o be_v to_o worship_v idol_n with_o the_o ethnic_n and_o gregory_n de_fw-fr valentia_n enlarge_v it_o to_o more_o point_n than_o one_o but_o with_o no_o more_o truth_n the_o sectary_n of_o our_o time_n 3._o time_n contingit_fw-la aliquando_fw-la hareticos_fw-la circa_fw-la plura_fw-la errare_fw-la quam_fw-la gentiles_n ut_fw-la manichaos_n inquit_fw-la thomas_n quòd_fw-la nos_fw-la possumus_fw-la verâ—…_n dicere_fw-la de_fw-la nostri_fw-la temporis_fw-la sectariis_fw-la qui_fw-la culpabiliter_fw-la in_o pluribus_fw-la videntur_fw-la errare_fw-la valentia_n in_o 2._o 2_o ae_z disp._n 1_o q._n 10._o puncto_fw-la 3._o say_v he_o seem_v to_o err_v culpable_o in_o more_o thing_n than_o the_o gentile_n this_o be_v easy_o say_v but_o here_o be_v no_o proof_n nor_o shall_v i_o hold_v it_o a_o sufficient_a warrant_n for_o i_o to_o sour_a my_o language_n because_o these_o man_n have_v dip_v their_o pen_n in_o gall._n the_o other_o account_n therefore_o which_o i_o shall_v give_v of_o this_o speech_n shall_v come_v vouch_v both_o by_o authority_n and_o reason_n and_o first_o for_o authority_n i_o can_v set_v luâ—…o_o vicus_fw-la vives_z against_o becanus_n if_o i_o will_v who_o lay_v express_o that_o the_o make_n of_o feast_n at_o the_o oratory_n of_o the_o martyr_n which_o 27._o which_o quod_fw-la quidem_fw-la à _fw-la christianis_fw-la melioribus_fw-la non_fw-la sit_fw-la s._n aug._n l._n 8._o de_fw-la civ_o dei_fw-la c._n 27._o s._n augustine_n tell_v we_o the_o best_a christian_n practise_v not_o be_v a_o kind_n of_o ibid._n of_o illae_fw-la quasi_fw-la parentalia_fw-la superstitioni_fw-la gentilium_fw-la simillima_fw-la lud_n vives_z ibid._n parentalia_fw-la funeral_n feast_n too_o much_o resemble_v the_o superstition_n of_o the_o gentile_n nay_o vives_z need_v not_o say_v resemble_v that_o superstition_n since_o 12._o since_o quod_fw-la ergo_fw-la mortuis_fw-la litabatur_fw-la utique_fw-la parentationi_fw-la deput_fw-la abatur_fw-la quae_fw-la species_n proinde_fw-la idololatriâ—…_n est_fw-la quoniam_fw-la &_o idololatria_fw-la parentationis_fw-la est_fw-la species_n tertull._n l._n de_fw-la spectaculis_fw-la c._n 12._o tertullian_n tell_v we_o plain_o that_o idolatry_n itself_o be_v but_o a_o kind_n of_o parentation_n and_o vives_z die_v in_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v a_o better_a testimony_n against_o you_o than_o becanus_n or_o valentia_n be_v bitter_a enemy_n to_o our_o communion_n can_v be_v against_o we_o but_o i_o will_v come_v near_o home_n to_o you_o and_o prove_v it_o by_o more_o of_o your_o own_o for_o ibid._n for_o manifestius_fw-la est_fw-la quà m_fw-la ut_fw-la multis_fw-la verbis_fw-la explicari_fw-la debeat_fw-la imaginum_fw-la &_o simulachrorum_fw-la cultum_fw-la nimiùm_fw-la invaluisse_fw-la &_o affectioni_fw-la seu_fw-la potiùs_fw-la superstitioni_fw-la populi_fw-la
plus_fw-la satis_fw-la indultum_fw-la esse_fw-la it_o à _fw-la ut_fw-la ad_fw-la summam_fw-la ador_n ationem_fw-la qua_fw-la vel_fw-la à _fw-la paganis_fw-la suis_fw-la simulacris_fw-la exhiberi_fw-la consuevit_fw-la etc._n etc._n cassand_n consult_v art_n 21._o c._n de_fw-fr imaginibus_fw-la where_o he_o name_v diverse_a of_o your_o own_o as_o namely_o durantus_n mimatensis_n episcopus_fw-la john_n billet_v gerson_n durand_n holkot_n and_o biel_n reject_v the_o opinion_n of_o thomas_n and_o other_o superstition_n concern_v image_n ibid._n cassander_n who_o live_v and_o die_v in_o your_o communion_n say_v it_o express_o that_o in_o this_o present_a case_n of_o the_o adoration_n of_o image_n you_o come_v full_a home_n to_o the_o superstition_n of_o the_o heathen_a and_o second_o for_o reason_n i_o have_v i_o think_v too_o much_o to_o give_v that_o the_o modern_a church_n of_o rome_n be_v grow_v too_o like_a to_o paganism_n in_o this_o point_n for_o the_o invocat_n the_o non_fw-la quod_fw-la credatur_fw-la inesse_fw-la aliqua_fw-la in_o iis_fw-la divinitas_fw-la &_o veluti_fw-la olim_fw-la fiebat_fw-la à _fw-la gentibuâ—…_n conc._n trid._n sess._n 25._o decret_n de_fw-fr invocat_n council_n of_o trent_n itself_o confess_v that_o to_o believe_v there_o be_v any_o divinity_n in_o image_n be_v to_o do_v as_o the_o gentile_n do_v by_o their_o idol_n and_o though_o in_o some_o word_n afterthe_a father_n of_o that_o council_n seem_v very_o religious_o careful_a that_o all_o ibid._n all_o et_fw-la rudibus_fw-la periculosi_fw-la erroris_fw-la occasionem_fw-la etc._n etc._n ibid._n occasion_n of_o dangerous_a error_n be_v prevent_v yet_o the_o doctrine_n itself_o be_v so_o full_a of_o danger_n that_o it_o work_v strong_o both_o upon_o the_o learned_a and_o unlearned_a to_o the_o scandal_n of_o religion_n and_o the_o pervert_n of_o truth_n for_o the_o unlearned_a first_o how_o it_o work_v upon_o they_o by_o whole_a country_n together_o you_o may_v see_v by_o what_o happen_v in_o asturia_n cantabria_n galetia_n no_o small_a part_n of_o spain_n for_o there_o the_o people_n so_o 3._o so_o et_fw-fr adeâ—…_n gens_n affeâ—…a_fw-la est_fw-la truncis_fw-la corrosis_fw-la &_o deformibus_fw-la imaginibus_fw-la ut_fw-la i_o testae_fw-la quotres_fw-la episcopi_fw-la decentiores_fw-la ponere_fw-la jubent_fw-la veteres_fw-la svas_fw-la petant_fw-la plorantes_fw-la &c_n &c_n hieton_n 〈◊〉_d summa_fw-la p._n 3._o c._n 3._o he_o tell_v i_o that_o be_v a_o eye_n witness_n and_o that_o since_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n be_v so_o addict_v to_o their_o worm_n eat_v and_o deform_a image_n that_o when_o the_o bishop_n command_v new_a and_o handsome_a image_n to_o be_v set_v up_o in_o their_o room_n the_o poor_a people_n cry_v for_o their_o old_a will_v not_o look_v up_o to_o their_o new_a as_o if_o they_o do_v not_o represent_v the_o same_o thing_n and_o though_o he_o say_v this_o be_v by_o little_a and_o little_o amend_v yet_o i_o believe_v there_o be_v very_o little_a amendment_n and_o it_o work_v upon_o the_o learned_a too_o more_o than_o it_o shall_v for_o it_o wrought_v so_o far_o upon_o lamas_n himself_o who_o bemoan_v the_o former_a passage_n as_o that_o he_o deliver_v this_o doctrine_n ibid._n doctrine_n imagine_v christi_n &_o s_o matris_fw-la ejus_fw-la &_o sanctorum_fw-la non_fw-la sunt_fw-la venerandae_fw-la acsi_fw-la in_o ipsis_fw-la imaginibus_fw-la esset_fw-la divinitas_fw-la secundùm_fw-la quod_fw-la sunt_fw-la materia_fw-la arte_fw-la essigiata_fw-la &_o non_fw-la secundùm_fw-la quod_fw-la repraesentant_fw-la christum_fw-la &_o sanctos_fw-la etc._n etc._n sic_fw-la enim_fw-la adorare_fw-la vel_fw-la petere_fw-la aliquid_fw-la ab_fw-la iis_fw-la esset_fw-la idololaâ—…_n tria_fw-la lamas_n ibid._n that_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n the_o bless_a virgin_n and_o the_o saint_n be_v not_o to_o be_v worship_v as_o if_o there_o be_v any_o divinity_n in_o the_o image_n as_o they_o be_v material_a thing_n make_v by_o art_n but_o only_o as_o they_o represent_v christ_n and_o the_o saint_n for_o else_o it_o be_v idolatry_n so_o then_o belike_o according_a to_o the_o divinity_n of_o this_o casuist_n a_o man_n may_v worship_v image_n and_o ask_v of_o they_o and_o put_v his_o trust_n in_o they_o as_o they_o represent_v christ_n and_o the_o saint_n for_o so_o there_o be_v divinity_n in_o they_o though_o not_o as_o thing_n yet_o as_o representer_n and_o what_o i_o pray_v do_v or_o can_v any_o pagan_a priest_n say_v more_o than_o this_o for_o the_o proposition_n resolve_v be_v this_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n and_o the_o saint_n as_o they_o represent_v their_o exemplar_n have_v deity_n or_o divinity_n in_o they_o and_o now_o i_o pray_v a._n c._n do_v you_o be_v judge_n whether_o this_o proposition_n do_v not_o teach_v idolatry_n and_o whether_o the_o modern_a church_n of_o rome_n be_v not_o grow_v too_o like_a to_o paganism_n in_o this_o point_n for_o my_o own_o part_n i_o hearty_o wish_v it_o be_v not_o and_o that_o man_n of_o learning_n will_v not_o strain_v their_o wit_n to_o spoil_v the_o truth_n and_o rend_v the_o peace_n of_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n by_o such_o dangerous_a such_o superstitious_a vanity_n for_o better_a they_o be_v not_o but_o they_o may_v be_v worse_o nay_o these_o and_z their_z like_o have_v give_v so_o great_a a_o scandal_n among_o we_o to_o some_o ignorant_a though_o i_o presume_v well_o mean_v man_n that_o they_o be_v afraid_a to_o testify_v their_o duty_n to_o god_n even_o in_o mil._n quis_fw-la ferat_fw-la populum_fw-la in_o templum_fw-la irruentem_fw-la câ—…ù_fw-fr in_o haran_a sue_v certain_o non_fw-la obsunt_fw-la populo_fw-la ceremoniae_fw-la sed_fw-la prosunt_fw-la si_fw-la modus_fw-la in_o câ—…_n servetur_fw-la &_o caucaâ—…_n nè_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d loco_fw-la habeantur_fw-la hoc_fw-la est_fw-la ne_fw-la praecipuam_fw-la pictatem_fw-la in_o illis_fw-la collocemus_fw-la rhen._n annot_fw-mi in_o tertul._n de_fw-fr cor._n mil._n his_o own_o 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