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A69617 Two arguments in Parliament the first concerning the cannons, the second concerning the premunire vpon those cannons / by Edward Bagshawe, Esquire. Bagshaw, Edward, d. 1662. 1641 (1641) Wing B401; ESTC R16597 30,559 46

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episcopus_fw-la ac_fw-la sola_fw-la consuetudine_fw-la praesunt_fw-la episcopi_fw-la presbiteris_fw-la text_n olim_fw-la idem_fw-la erat_fw-la presbyter_n qui_fw-la &_o episcopus_fw-la &_o antequam_fw-la diaboli_fw-la instinctu_fw-la studia_fw-la vel_fw-la schismata_fw-la in_o religione_fw-la fierent_fw-la &_o disceretur_fw-la in_o populis_fw-la ego_fw-la sum_fw-la pauli_n ego_fw-la sum_fw-la apollo_n ego_fw-la autem_fw-la cephae_fw-la communi_fw-la presbiterorum_fw-la concilio_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la gubernabantur_fw-la postquam_fw-la autem_fw-la decretum_fw-la est_fw-la in_o toto_fw-la orbe_fw-la ut_fw-la unus_fw-la de_fw-la presbiteris_fw-la supponerctur_n ut_fw-la schismatum_fw-la semina_fw-la tollerentur_fw-la sicut_fw-la ergo_fw-la presbiteri_fw-la sciunt_fw-la se_fw-la ex_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la consuetudin_n esse_fw-la subiectos_fw-la ita_fw-la episcopi_fw-la noverint_fw-la se_fw-la magis_fw-la consuetudine_fw-la quam_fw-la dispensationis_fw-la dominicae_fw-la veritate_fw-la 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and_o arch-deacon_n etc._n etc._n which_o i_o may_v fit_o call_v a_o covenant_n against_o the_o king_n supremacy_n which_o i_o thus_o make_v good_a it_o be_v a_o part_n of_o my_o oath_n of_o supremacy_n 1._o stat._n 1o._o eliz._n c._n 1._o that_o i_o shall_v assist_v the_o king_n in_o all_o preeminence_n and_o jurisdiction_n belong_v to_o his_o crown_n now_o it_o be_v a_o part_n of_o his_o jurisdiction_n to_o alter_v this_o government_n by_o his_o parliament_n and_o to_o appoint_v and_o establish_v another_o which_o if_o he_o shall_v be_v so_o mind_v to_o do_v i_o be_o by_o this_o oath_n not_o to_o assist_v he_o in_o it_o i_o be_o not_o so_o much_o as_o to_o give_v my_o assent_n whereby_o i_o do_v unavoidable_o fall_v upon_o this_o rock_n that_o for_o the_o save_n of_o my_o oath_n i_o must_v deny_v my_o obedience_n to_o the_o king_n juramento_fw-la azor._n de_fw-fr juramento_fw-la or_o by_o obey_v the_o king_n i_o must_v fall_v upon_o perjury_n for_o though_o it_o be_v true_a as_o 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