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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A20683	A defence of church gouernment Dedicated to the high Court of Parliament. Wherein, the church gouernment established in England, is directly proued to be consonant to the word of God, and that subiects ought of dutie to conforme themselues to the state ecclesiasticall. Together with, a defence of the crosse in baptisme; as it is vsed in our Church, being not repugnant to the word: and by a consequent, the brethren which are silenced, ought to subscribe vnto it, rather then to burie their talents in the ground. By Iohn Doue, Doctour of Diuinity.	Dove, John, 1560 or 61-1618.	1606 (1606)	STC 7081; ESTC S110107	58,733	80

destitute of a medius terminus to proue that conclusion which hee vndertooke to proue If we grant all Crosses which are worshipped to be idolls it cannot follow that our Crosse in Baptisme which is not worshipped is an idoll no more then this that because all altars erected for sacrifice in places prohibited of God were abhomination therfore the altar of which before I spake being not ercted for that end was also abhominable Neither doth he so fitly alleage for his purpose that our Church of England in the Homily against perill of idolatry iustifieth the remouing of images out of churches which were set vp by Papists to be worshipped and are worshipped to prooue that by the same reason the Crosse in Baptisme allowed by Protestants should be also abrogated which neither was appointed for worship nor yet worshipped Neyther is that place of Saint Augustine alleaged against images August in Psal 113. which haue eyes eares noses which doe valere ad curuandum infaelicem animum depraue the minde of man which is very apt to be deluded and carried away and also are an obiect to the eye very dangerous to intice and allure to idolatry fitly applied by him to the signe of the Crosse not visible not permanent and of which none of these things may be verified which are incident to the images which haue eyes eares and noses And for our part we doe as much abhorre such both images and image-makers as this author doth or as euer Epiphanius and Tertullian did whom he citeth how vnproperly soeuer And to answer the conclusion which so idlely he inferreth vpon these authorities That if godly fathers were so vehement against erecting images of Christ and Saints euen at that time before any worship was giuen vnto them much more would they withstand it now after men haue made idolls of them and therefore hee condemneth vs for induring the idoll of the Crosse as he calleth it in the seruice and sacraments of God and contrary to Dauids doctrine keeping an honourable memory of that which the Prophet Esay willeth vs to abandon I say it is no meruaile though they were so vehement against erecting Psal 16. Esa 50 22 of images in Churches for we are as vehement in that cause as they were and it behoued them at that time to be vehement considering that the whole world then was giuen to idolatry and in euery citie the Pagans had their Temples and as they worshipped idolls in their paganisme so they were prone to worshippe images after their conuersion to the Christian religion And seeing they which were not conuerted were readie to offer sacrifice to Paul and Barnabas Act. 14. 13 then aliue no doubt but they would haue worshipped their images when they were dead But all this is vnfitly applied vnto the signe of the Crosse in Baptisme To come to the MINOR in which he indeuoureth to proue that the Crosse is an idoll HE writeth for a marginall note in capitall letters THE PROOFE OF THE MINOR because in his owne conceit it is already proued But for the proofe of it he onely alleageth the authority of Bellarmine Potiformus Hart Costerus Aquinas being Papists which hold that the signe of the Crosse is to bee worshipped with diuine worship and ascribe to it diuine power And grant all this to be true that the Papists worship the Crosse ascribe so much to it I answer as before it toucheth not our signe of the Crosse in Baptisme which ascribe no such thing vnto it Therfore nothing is here alleaged by him for the confirmation of the MINOR which is not already by vs answered and refuted sufficiently in the confutation of the MAIOR The author now commeth to his Ob Sol and in our behalfe obiecteth that our Crosse is neque numero neque vsu the same Crosse which was among the Papists neither yet vsed among vs as it was vsed among thē The validity of this obiection in our behalfe wee shew to be of as great validity on our side as it was for the tribes of Ruben Gad and halfe Manasses on their side which being chalenged by their brethren for suspiciō of idolatry whē they erected an altar which as it was not numero so they answered it was not vsu such an altar as they suspected it to be which answer cōtented the Iews might as well satisfy our brethren if they were as charitable But let vs examine the answer he maketh to this obiection When saith he God commanded his people to breake downe the images of the heathen and to extinguish the very name of them they could not haue performed that charge if they had burnt all the idolls of Canaan and made others new of the same forme though to another vse not idolatrous so cannot we discharge our duties if hauing defaced the Popish idolls wee erect them new in our Church though not to worship because it cannot be without breach of the commandement Babes keep your selues from idolls So farre disputeth the maker of the syllogisme in our behalfe But because it may be verified of vs which was saide of the blinde man who receiued his sight aetatem habet prò se respondeat we are old enough to answer for our selues we will answer our own selues for our selues we craue no helpe of our aduersary but we will shew the vnsufficiency of this answer two maner of waies First he hath dig●essed from his matter because the subiect of this disputation is an humane ordinance become an idoll whereas he instanceth in humane ordinances which are not become idolls but which originally were idolls and erected by infidells to this end that they should be worshipped for that was to the imitation of the heathen people this is not so And according to this kinde of disputation he might as well impose a necessity vpon vs of suppressing all our parish Churches as the Brownists do because they were not onely the Popes ordinance but also ordeined for the celebration of the Masse and so imployed from their first erection vntill this late reformation of the Church For according to Gods commandement not onely the idolls their selues were to bee put downe but also the altars groues and high places where the idolatry was committed and the Priests which did offer the sacrifices all they being abhominable as the idoll it selfe Secondly in that he taketh it pro concesso as a thing granted that the Crosse is an idoll it is but a begging of the question as before I haue shewed because it is not yet proued that the signe of the crosse is an idol among vs neither doth it follow that if with the Papists it were so therfore with vs it is so no more then because their bread in the sacramēt is an idol therfore ours is also an idoll That only numero which is worshipt is an idol for the author cōfesseth wher there is no worship ther cā be no idol That we may proceede farther For