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A12592 A godly treatise containing and deciding certaine questions, mooued of late in London and other places, touching the ministerie, sacraments, and Church Whereunto one proposition more is added. After the ende of this booke you shall finde a defence of such points as M. Penry hath dealt against: and a confutation of many grosse errours broched in M. Penries last treatise. Written by Robert Some Doctor of Diuinitie. Some, Robert, 1542-1609.; Penry, John, 1559-1593. Defence of that which hath bin written in the questions of the ignorant ministerie, and the communicating with them. 1588 (1588) STC 22909; ESTC S117654 118,250 200

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fufficiencie_n of_o gift_n and_o willingness_n to_o practice_v they_o pag._n 45._o if_o m._n penry_n mean_v the_o practice_n of_o gift_n to_o god_n glory_n i_o say_v amen_o unto_o it_o i_o confess_v that_o they_o of_o philippos_n have_v gift_n in_o some_o measure_n but_o they_o have_v not_o willingness_n to_o practice_v those_o gift_n to_o god_n glory_n which_o willingness_n etc._n etc._n be_v one_o of_o the_o necessary_a branch_n of_o a_o inward_a call_n that_o they_o of_o philippos_n have_v not_o this_o willingness_n etc._n etc._n it_o be_v manifest_a for_o they_o seek_v themselves_o and_o practise_v their_o gift_n whole_o to_o increase_v the_o apostle_n affliction_n last_o if_o your_o antecedent_n be_v true_a what_o say_v you_o to_o this_o proposition_n they_o of_o who_o magistracy_n there_o be_v a_o nullity_n before_o god_n though_o they_o have_v a_o outward_a call_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v account_v magistrate_n do_v you_o not_o think_v this_o proposition_n to_o be_v very_o 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