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A07880	The Popes funerall Containing a plaine, succinct, and pithy reply, to a pretensed answere of a shamelesse and foolish libell, intituled, The forerunner of Bels downfall. VVhich is nothing else indeede, (as the indifferent reader shall preceiue by the due peruse thereof,) but an euident manifestation of his owne folly; with the vtter confusion of poperie, and all popish vassals throughout the Christian world.	Bell, Thomas, fl. 1593-1610.	1605 (1605)	STC 1825; ESTC S101478	72,528	132

taught him So Priscilla wife to Aquila the Iew borne in Pontus expoūded the Scriptures to the Iew Apollo borne at Alexandria a very eloquent man So Timothy was throughly instructed in the Scriptures by his mother Eunice and by his grandmother Lois By which notable examples it is euident and cleare to euery one that neither mothers must forbeare to teach nor yet yong babes forbeare to learne the holy Scriptures These be the things which I concluded out of Bellarmine and therfore may I iustly cal the Libeller a silly diuine and a most false accuser when he omitting the latter halfe of the wordes which I cited out of Bellarmine telleth me that I bely Bellarmine But how doth he proue it Truly if the man were not either giuen vp in reprobum sensum or past all shame hee would neuer for shame deale so childishly in matters of such importance Hee belyeth Bellarmine saith our Libeller he sayth not that women and rustickes doe vnderstand the Scriptures so farre forth as pertaineth to the mystery of their Redemption Nay he saith the contrary in the wordes by him alledged Although many quoth he vnderstand not the sentences of the Scriptures In which number I thinke Rusticks women must be contained If then they vnderstand not the sentences of the Scriptures as Bellarmine affirmeth how doe they vnderstand the Scriptures so far forth as pertaineth to the mysteries of their Redemption Thus reasoneth our Libeller or more truly sayd thus prateth our insolent Sycophant thus babbleth our false accuser for when hee hath corrupted Bellarmine nipping and cutting the sentence asunder citing only the fore part and omitting the latter which would soone haue discouered his falshood he forthwith tryumpheth as though he had the victory But if a very child do but ioyne the latter part of the sentence which he omitted like a coozener deceitful Sycophant to the former he shall behold as clearely as the Sunne shining at noone tyde the victory to be on my side Bellarmines wordes are these sayth the Libeller Although many vnderstand not the sentences of the Scriptures And then he crieth out that Bellarmine saith they doe not vnderstand the mysteries of their Redemption in the Scriptures But here is plaine legierdemaine deepe coozenage euen coozenage in graine for Bellarmines words are these But in the new Testamēt because Christ hath fulfilled the figures prophesies although many doe not vnderstand the sentences of the scriptures yet do they vnderstād the mysteries of our redemption euen the cōmon country fellowes and women Thus writeth Bellarmine whose words because they giue a deadly woūd to Popery our libelling Iesuite Bellarmines brother in profession not daring to reiect his doctrine citeth as the Reader may easily behold only the mids of the sentence First he omitteth the former part which containeth the reason that is to say these words But in the new Testament because Christ hath fulfilled the figures and the prophesies Then he cutteth away the last part which ministreth the true sence meaning that is to say these words Yet do they vnderstand the mysteries of our Redemption euen the rusticks and women Who would not be ashamed thus to mangle a sentence which is in cōtrouersie If I were a Papist this kind of dealing would cause me to renounce Popery Although they vnderstand not the sentences of the Scriptures saith Bellarmine and there the Libeller resteth himselfe because he was wearied in hearing the truth yet doe they vnderstand the mysteries of our redemptiō euen the country fellowes women So then 3. things must be obserued First that there is one thing which the vulgar people do vnderstand to wit the mysteries of our redemption and this is the point which I defend Bellarmine affirmeth it in very plain termes expresse words Secondly that there is an other thing which the vulgar people do not vnderstand to wit the sentences of the Scriptures Thirdly a third thing must be remembred to wit that Bellarmine doeth not say at all that the common people do not vnderstand the Scriptures but the sentences of the Scriptures which doubtlesse was not done of him but for some end and purpose for hee might sooner haue sayd They vnderstand not the Scriptures then the sentences of the Scriptures Two things therefore are most euident in Bellarmine first that the Scriptures are so obscure in many places thereof that the common people doe not vnderstand the sentences therin contained Secondly that sundry places of the Scriptures are so plaine and manifest that the very country fellowes and women doe vnderstand the same and the things therein contayned are called of Bellarmine the mysteries of our Redemption The former obseruation the Libeller doeth willingly admit and the latter I shall proue out of Bellarmines owne words abundantly for first Bellarmine answering to the ninth argument touching the difference betweene the old new Testament affirmeth plainly the difference to be this viz. that in the old Testament the people did neither vnderstand the sentences of the Scriptures nor yet the mysteries of Christ. But in the new Testament it is far otherwise where though the people vnderstand not the sentences of the Scriptures generally yet doe they vnderstand the mysteries of mans Redemption Secondly the same Bellarmine expoundeth his own meaning in his answere to the sixt argument where he hath these expresse words Quaedam reperiuntur obscurissima quae nunquam in tota scriptura explicantur vt magnapars Apocalypsis principium finis Ezechielis c. Some things are found most obscure which are neuer explicated in the whole Scriptures as a great part of the Reuelation the beginning and the end of Ezechiel c. Now when Bellarmine affirmeth but some special things onely to be obscure euery child can easily discerne that he graunteth many things to be plaine manifest And Bellarmine saith nothing but that which S. Augustine sayd long before Bellarmine was borne in far more plain manifest termes These are his expresse words In his n●qua aperte in scriptura posita sunt inueniuntur illa omnia quae continent fidem moresque viuendi for in those things which are plainly set downe in the holy Scripture are found all things cōcerning faith and maners which thing I haue proued so largely substantially in the Down-fal of Popery not onely by the testimony of S. Austen in many places of his works but also of S. Hierome S. Chrysostome S. Theodorite and others that all the English Iesuites and Iesuited Papists in Europe dare not once oppugne the same by publishing any direct answere thereunto so as euery article conclusion and proposition therein contayned may truly be called Noli me tangere because they dare not for ten thousand millions of gold once touch the same fully and directly Thirdly that the same Bellarmine graunteth freely and willingly that many sentences of the Scriptures are most plaine and easie These

his Cappe of consideration answered right grauely though neither honestly nor yet Clarkely that they should either not meddle at all with that matter or else deale rather against my person then against my Doctrine This aduise as it seemeth hath now taken place For this Libeller fighteth with might and maine against my person but dealeth too too niggardly with my Doctrine I haue else-where made mention of this Garnets Letter where I made full rehearsall thereof Ad verbum and framed a direct answere to the same The great maister Iesuite Robert Parsons affirmed about three yeares agoe that the confutation of my worthy workes as he scornfully termeth them was vndertaken and to bee published if it should seeme necessarie Now Sir this most necessarie confutation which they haue been so many yeares buzzing about is published to the worlde Yet so sillie and so simple a thing as I cannot tell what to make of it or how to name it The foure first Chapters of this Libell I would let passe without answere if two causes did not vrge me thereunto because they containe nothing but meere by-matters and impertinent stuffe First for that the well affected Reader may make good vse thereof especially by helpe of my censure annexed to the same Secondly because wise Salomon aduiseth me to answere a foole according to his foolishnesse least he seeme wise in his own conceit I therefore purpose in God to reduce to certaine distinct heads and chapters the notorious lies vaine brags vnchristian slaunders and false accusations which the Libeller hath abruptly without all Eutaxia dispersed in euery page of the aforesaid Chapters so I thinke to enlarge his most filthy and most scurrilous Libell which else for the quantitie might be an Almanack But by the power of God I will handle the last Chapter cathauton ad amussim duly examining euery sentence period thereof to the very bottome so as no starting hole shall be left him to be a sanctuarie or refuge to hide his face The Libeller would seeme desirous to grapple with me but it appeareth farre otherwise by his dealing For what man in the world taking vpon him to answere my booke the downefal of Poperie would flye from the whole booke from euery article nay from euery main point ground and period thereof as one afraid once to touch the same and onely to snatch here and there a sentence of the least force to his witting none doubtlesse It is apparant to all the well all this notwithstanding I haue so mangled and maymed him with my dartes and so wounded him with my bullets that the scarres and markes will bee seene vpon him so long as he liueth in this world In his fift and last Chapter though he hath dealt very sparingly in answering those fewe sentences whereof he made his choyse I wil God willing so bicker skirmish and grapple with him as I shal neither leaue him one whole bone in his skin nor one tooth in his head nor yet one haire on his beard That done I will send him to his good maisters as a cur-dogge that barketh apace but cannot bite and as a beardlesse boy without haire on his face voide of all learning wit sense and reason that so hee may bring them newes of his good fortune VVhat I doe here promise I hope in God to performe the same in due season CHAP. II. Of the Libellers notorious vntruthes or to speake plaine English of his flat lyes THe first word of the title of his Libell the forerūner of Bels downfal implyeth a flat lye So forsooth to insinuate to his Readers that a filthy and huge fardell of lyes but small or no truth at all can be expected from his Penne. But how is this proued Thus. Forerunner must perforce be vnderstood either in respect of my person or else in respect of my booke If in respect of my person it is both impertinent to the matter in hand and is also a manifest and flat lye in his way of proceeding I proue it because in his iudgement I had my downefall when I renounced their late Romish Religion which I thanke God for it was many yeares agoe Againe this Libeller of his great charitie auoucheth desperately that long since a foule downefall brake the necke of my soule God forgiue mee my sinnes and saue the necke of his soule if it bee his holy will I feare no such causelesse curses but haue a firme and stedfast hope of my saluation in CHRIST IESVS If in respect of my booke it is also a flat lye because it is so farre from being a forerunner that it is a plaine aftercreeping and doth aunswere my booke with as much speede as one may driue a Snaile to Rome Thus much for his first lye Let vs proceede 2 The Libeller pleaseth himselfe aboue measure in calling mee a turne-coate and a patched minister This hee repeateth againe and againe in foure seuerall Pages My aunswere standeth thus First I most willingly confesse my selfe to bee a turne-coate in a godly sense and Christian meaning that is to say to haue turned from falshod to truth from vice to vertue from iniquitie to pietie and from sinne to a Godly Christian life Hee that disdaineth or shameth to bee a turne-coate in this sense shall neuer see Gods face in his Kingdome For as holy writte teacheth vs euerie where they that are the holiest of all sinne manie a time and therefore must they either repent and turne their coate of conuersation or else perish euerlastingly And as for mine owne turning my selfe freely confessed it in the first booke which I published and to reproach one for his sinnes and errors which he humbly acknowledgeth is not only against sincere christianitie but also against all modest humanitie Neither is it to the purpose or question in controuersie betweene vs. For it skilleth not what I am my selfe so the Doctrine bee sound which I deliuer But the want of an honest cause lacke of good grounds and reasons to defend your Poperie draweth you violētly to these foolish impertinent by matters Secondly as Peter denied Christ three times of infirmitie and as Paul persecuted Christs Church of ignorance and they both for all that found mercie and fauour with God for Christs sake so my selfe I trust and constantly beleeue who erred ignorantly in my yonger yeares at which time I carefully sought the truth but found it not haue attained remission of my sins according to mercie through faith in Christ Iesus S. Austin was a Manichee after that being a Catholick Bishop hee slipped into sundrie errors Petrus Martyr Martinus Bucerus reuerend Cranmer graue Latimer learned Ridley and many others were sometime Popish Priests and yet after that most singular Preachers ' and notable Champions of Christs holy Gospell But of these yee Papists make no reckoning albeit sundrie of them sealed their Doctrine with their blood and by the Papists burnt with

by such a dispensatiō Thus write these three learned Papists who were religious Friers famous Schoolemen great diuines men of high esteeme authority euen in the church of Rome By whose ioynt and vniforme testimony it is most true euident which I affirmed out of Antoninus the Popish Archbishop of Florence viz. that Pope Martin the fift of that name dispēsed with one who had contracted and consummated matrimony with his owne naturall and full sister Whosoeuer is not either blinded with malice or carried away with partiall affection cannot for his life but giue iudgement on my side But this case will yet be farre more apparant when I shall haue confuted the Libellers most silly sottish and plaine childish reasons which he in a fooles paradice extolleth aboue the skies Let vs therfore proceed The Libeller hath 5. reasons in al such as they be which I wil God willing propound and examine otothen framing direct plaine sound solutiōs to the same Which being effected I wil soūd alarum against all English Iesuites and Iesuited Popelings as well in England as throughout the Christian world and that the controuersie may be sounded to the bottome I will euer put downe the Libeller before his reasons and my name before my answere The Libeller FIrst therefore I say that it is nothing preiudiciall to the Catholicke Faith were it true For we defend not all the particular facts of any though Popes We know that they may erre either by wronge information yea or of wilfull malice Thomas Bell. I Answere first that I yeeld to the first part of this answere so it be taken in a true and godly sence for so it maketh against the Libeller but not against my selfe The reason is euident because the Popes errors in faith and maners doe only hurt himselfe and the Papists who beleeue him and depend vpon him taking that for the Catholique Church which followeth him and beleeueth as he doth But his Errours are nothing preiudicial to the true Chatholike Church indeed which is built vpon a most sure rocke euen Christ Iesus neuer swarueth from the Truth Secondly that it is the Libellers best course not to defend all the perticular facts of their Popes for else hee must defend Pope Boniface who entred into his Popedome as a Foxe liued in it as a Woolfe and dyed out of it as a Dogge Yea he must defend much other most execrable abhominable stuffe wherof I haue written else where at large Thirdly that he must either defend this fact now in question as it shall appeare in the due place God willing or else crie fire and faggot for the Pope and so an end Fourthly that seeing the pope by popish graunt may erre by wronge information it standeth all good Christians in hand to looke narrowly vnto his fingers to examine diligently his dealings and not to venture too boldly vpon his decrees For else they may perhaps as I haue prooued elsewhere adore and worship damned spirits in stead of holy Saints Fiftly that seeing the pope by popish graunt may erre of wilfull malice it must needs be a most intollerable tyrannie and cruell villanie to tye mens soules to his decree of faith and manners For whether his Holynesse decides matters of wilfull malice or not God and his owne conscience onely can tell all others must remaine perplexed and in suspence what to say or thinke thereof Sixtly this was such a matter of fact as concernes saluation and consequently if the pope should erre herein as vndoubtedly he did the Romish faith should be ouerthrowne and turned vp-side downe For as Bellarmine the popes mouth teacheth vs this is the Romish faith Non solum in decretis fidei errare non potest summus pontifex sed neque in preceptis morum quae toti ecclesiae praescribuntur quae in rebus necessarijs ad salutem vel in ijs quae per se bona vel mala sunt versantur The pope cannot erre not only in the decrees of faith but neither in the precepts of manners which are prescribed to the whole Church and which pertaine to things necessarie vnto saluation and which of their owne nature are good or euill Now so it is that this dispensation of pope Martin concernes a matter of faith and saluation For after the popes dispensation the man was bound to beleeue that his Sister was his lawfull wife neither could he haue liued with her as with his wife vnder paine of damnation if he had beene perswaded otherwise Here the Libeller filleth vp his Pamphlet with a long tale of a Prelates Daughter to no end or purpose at all but onely for want of matter For our English Church holdeth not as their popish Church doth of her popes that her Bishops cannot erre in the decrees of faith or manners The Libeller SEcondly I tell him that his lips haue lashed out too lustily and that he hath wickedly slaundred Pope Martin and most perfidiously corrupted Antoninus The verie Title of the Chapter might haue taught him that he was in errour or at least haue giuen him a greater Caueat better to consider of the matter for it is de affinitate of affinitie And therefore had the Pope giuen one licence to marrie his owne naturall sister hee had dispensed in consanguinitie and so nothing fitting the matter intreated of in that Chapter Tho Bell. I Answere first that this silly kinde of reasoning which the Libeller vseth sheweth euidently his backe to be at the wall himselfe at a Nonplus and his wits not at home For if Antoninus may not intreat of consanguinite because the Title of the Chapter is of affinitie great absurdities may iustly be imputed to many not onely prophane but also most holy Writers euen to those whose pennes were directed by the holy ghost For holy Moses intituled The first Booke of his Pentatench Bereshith to which Title the first word only was answerable S. Mathew semblably intituled the sacred gospel The Booke of the Generation of Iesus Christ to which title one onely part of the first Chapter is fitly answerable Yea the Libeller intituleth his rayling and slaunderous pamphlet The Fore-runner of Bels Downefall and for all that small fore running can be found in it but great store of lyes slaunders cosening trickes and I cannot tell what Nay he dealeth both with my counterblast and with my Motiues So exactly doth this Goodfellow our Iesuite obserue that to which he more than peremptorily would gladly tye his betters Secondly that though Antoninus intreat in the beginning of the Chapter de affinitate of affinitie yet hath he in the same Chapter one whole Paragraph of the Popes power in dispensing as well with consanguinitie as affinitie These are Antoninus his owne expresse wordes In primo gradu affinitatis ascendentium sicut consanguinitatis Papa dispensare non potest quia est contraius diuinum naturale