be_v evil_a and_o to_o have_v have_v its_o rise_n in_o the_o decay_n of_o the_o church_n let_v we_o bear_v the_o blame_n he_o say_v the_o reject_v of_o the_o ceremony_n give_v a_o great_a check_n to_o the_o reformation_n in_o france_n and_o cit_v for_o it_o thuanus_n and_o balduinus_n both_o papist_n without_o point_v to_o their_o word_n or_o place_n where_o they_o may_v be_v find_v wherefore_o i_o look_v on_o what_o he_o say_v as_o gratis_o dictum_fw-la and_o if_o it_o be_v true_a it_o say_v no_o more_o but_o that_o there_o be_v two_o in_o france_n that_o be_v fond_a of_o humane_a ceremony_n as_o there_o be_v many_o in_o england_n we_o have_v cause_n to_o bless_v the_o lord_n that_o the_o reformation_n in_o france_n be_v not_o check_v but_o make_v very_o glorious_a progress_n be_v own_v by_o many_o great_a and_o small_a be_v seal_v with_o the_o blood_n of_o many_o martyr_n and_o that_o it_o be_v not_o universal_o receive_v we_o may_v rational_o impute_v to_o the_o supreme_a power_n be_v against_o it_o which_o use_v to_o have_v the_o command_n of_o the_o conscience_n of_o the_o great_a and_o carnal_a part_n of_o the_o world_n but_o what_o the_o dr._n say_v in_o prosecute_a this_o reason_n i_o wish_v he_o will_v reconcile_v with_o his_o three_o reason_n that_o england_n retain_v the_o ceremony_n to_o show_v their_o consent_n with_o other_o protestant_a church_n sect._n 27._o his_o second_o reason_n be_v to_o manifest_v the_o justice_n of_o the_o reformation_n by_o let_v enemy_n see_v that_o we_o do_v not_o break_v communion_n with_o they_o for_o mere_a indifferent_a thing_n ans._n 1._o papist_n may_v have_v see_v that_o if_o they_o will_v have_v open_v their_o eye_n without_o our_o retain_v any_o of_o their_o ceremony_n to_o wit_n that_o we_o break_v with_o they_o on_o weighty_a point_n of_o heresy_n and_o idolatry_n and_o not_o for_o ceremony_n alone_o ans._n 2._o when_o we_o have_v separate_v from_o their_o church_n on_o such_o weighty_a account_n we_o be_v not_o to_o retain_v any_o thing_n that_o they_o have_v corrupt_v the_o worship_n of_o god_n by_o to_o please_v they_o neither_o can_v we_o retain_v those_o to_o shun_v break_v with_o they_o have_v already_o break_v with_o they_o on_o other_o account_n ans._n 3._o the_o dr._n take_v it_o for_o grant_v which_o be_v the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o question_n between_o he_o and_o we_o to_o wit_n that_o the_o ceremony_n be_v mere_a indifferent_a thing_n if_o he_o prove_v this_o he_o must_v carry_v the_o day_n what_o advantage_n the_o popish_a bishop_n for_o all_o their_o subtlety_n and_o learning_n that_o he_o talk_v of_o can_v have_v make_v of_o reject_v of_o these_o as_o well_o as_o the_o rest_n of_o humane_a ceremony_n i_o know_v not_o they_o have_v a_o large_a field_n to_o expatiate_v in_o with_o the_o people_n by_o hold_v forth_o to_o they_o how_o many_o usage_n of_o the_o ancient_a church_n the_o reformer_n have_v reject_v that_o be_v in_o the_o dr_n sense_n mere_a indifferent_a thing_n as_o holy_a water_n cream_n salt_n hospital_n etc._n etc._n how_o little_a addition_n can_v the_o reject_v the_o cross_n surplice_n etc._n etc._n with_o the_o rest_n have_v make_v to_o their_o strength_n what_o he_o cit_v out_o of_o p._n martyr_n be_v abundant_o answer_v sect._n 10._o for_o he_o speak_v not_o of_o vestment_n use_v in_o but_o out_o of_o worship_n about_o which_o he_o will_v not_o have_v such_o contention_n make_v at_o such_o a_o time_n but_o have_v they_o remove_v afterward_o the_o dr._n cit_v his_o word_n indefinite_o other_o reform_a church_n but_o the_o author_n word_n be_v per_fw-la multas_fw-la ecclesias_fw-la nâ—n_fw-la ab_fw-la evangelio_fw-la alienas_fw-la i_o suppose_v he_o mean_v the_o lutheran_n or_o rathe_a greek_a church_n for_o p._n martyr_n well_o know_v that_o in_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o reform_a church_n no_o such_o vestment_n be_v use_v sect._n 28._o let_v we_o now_o hear_v his_o three_o reason_n to_o show_v their_o consent_n with_o other_o protestant_a church_n and_o he_o instance_v in_o the_o lutheran_n church_n ans._n 1._o this_o reason_n can_v not_o be_v use_v by_o the_o english_a reformer_n because_o they_o will_v sure_o rather_o have_v imitate_v the_o calvinist_n church_n with_o who_o they_o agree_v in_o doctrine_n than_o the_o lutheran_n church_n from_o who_o they_o differ_v in_o considerable_a point_n of_o doctrine_n if_o they_o have_v design_v to_o symbolize_v with_o other_o church_n and_o have_v be_v influence_v in_o their_o determination_n of_o this_o matter_n by_o that_o design_n sure_o they_o will_v have_v symbolise_v with_o the_o sound_a church_n ans._n 2._o neither_o can_v this_o reason_n have_v have_v any_o weight_n if_o they_o have_v use_v it_o see_v there_o be_v more_o protestant_a church_n of_o a_o contrary_a practice_n and_o therefore_o the_o protestant_a church_n will_v have_v carry_v the_o rejection_n of_o the_o ceremony_n whether_o the_o note_n have_v be_v ponderanda_fw-la or_o numeranda_fw-la ans._n 3._o if_o our_o reformer_n have_v design_v a_o consent_n in_o ceremony_n with_o the_o lutheran_n church_n why_o do_v they_o retain_v these_o and_o not_o the_o rest_n use_v among_o they_o which_o be_v most_o of_o they_o as_o little_a liable_a to_o exception_n as_o those_o retain_v and_o be_v not_o by_o their_o multitude_n such_o a_o burden_n as_o those_o of_o the_o papist_n i_o hope_v the_o dr._n when_o he_o consider_v better_a will_v retract_v this_o argument_n for_o there_o be_v no_o reform_a church_n on_o earth_n that_o the_o church_n of_o england_n show_v any_o consent_n with_o in_o her_o ceremony_n ans._n 4._o i_o have_v elsewhere_o show_v from_o good_a authority_n that_o the_o lutheran_n church_n at_o first_o have_v no_o humane_a ceremony_n but_o what_o they_o now_o have_v creep_v into_o those_o church_n afterward_o as_o other_o evil_n do_v which_o luther_n do_v not_o authorise_v sect._n 29._o he_o will_v not_o only_o have_v lutheran_n but_o the_o chief_a among_o the_o calvinist_n to_o be_v of_o his_o opinion_n he_o cit_v calv._n ep._n ad_fw-la sadol_n that_o he_o be_v for_o restore_v the_o ancient_a face_n of_o the_o church_n his_o word_n which_o i_o find_v not_o easy_o in_o that_o long_a ep._n be_v ut_fw-la instauretur_fw-la vetusta_fw-la illa_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la facies_fw-la quae_fw-la primo_fw-la ab_fw-la hominibus_fw-la indoctis_fw-la &_o non_fw-la optimis_fw-la deformata_fw-la &_o foedata_fw-la postea_fw-la a_o pontifice_fw-la romano_n &_o ejus_fw-la factione_n flagitio_fw-la se_fw-la lacerata_fw-la &_o prope_fw-la deleta_fw-la est_fw-la it_o be_v evident_a that_o he_o be_v not_o speak_v of_o ceremony_n only_o but_o main_o of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n that_o be_v in_o controversy_n between_o he_o and_o the_o cardinal_n also_o that_o it_o be_v the_o apostolic_a church_n that_o he_o speak_v of_o who_o face_n he_o acknowledge_v to_o have_v be_v deform_v before_o antichrist_n come_v to_o a_o height_n he_o cit_v also_o calvin_n de_fw-fr vera_fw-la eccles._n reformatione_fw-la ch_n 16._o which_o book_n i_o find_v not_o in_o the_o catalogue_n of_o calvin_n work_n only_o among_o his_o tractatus_fw-la theolog._n i_o find_v a_o supplex_fw-la exhortatio_fw-la to_o the_o emperor_n and_o diet_n at_o spire_n de_fw-fr necessitate_v reformandae_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la which_o i_o have_v diligent_o look_v into_o and_o find_v no_o such_o passage_n in_o it_o but_o much_o contend_v against_o humane_a ceremony_n and_o he_o apologize_v for_o their_o cast_v they_o out_o by_o show_v quod_fw-la nihil_fw-la vel_fw-la primo_fw-la digito_fw-la attigimus_fw-la nisiquod_fw-la christus_fw-la pro_fw-la nihilo_fw-la ducit_fw-la cum_fw-la frustra_fw-la coli_fw-la deum_fw-la humanis_fw-la traditionibus_fw-la pronunciat_fw-la wherefore_o if_o calvin_n own_o symbolical_a ceremony_n as_o the_o dr._n allege_v we_o must_v understand_v he_o of_o those_o of_o divine_a institution_n or_o charge_v he_o with_o inconsistency_n with_o himself_o oecolampadius_n say_v he_o look_v on_o the_o gesture_n in_o the_o sacrament_n as_o indifferent_a so_o do_v we_o therefore_o we_o think_v kneel_v ought_v not_o to_o be_v impose_v and_o when_o it_o be_v so_o impose_v it_o lose_v its_o indifferency_n have_v a_o show_n of_o adoration_n of_o the_o bread._n i_o have_v not_o bucer_n book_n and_o therefore_o say_v nothing_o to_o the_o citation_n out_o of_o he_o but_o that_o his_o authority_n will_v not_o prove_v the_o opinion_n of_o the_o calvinist_n church_n that_o we_o debate_v about_o sect._n 31._o our_o author_n after_o this_o digression_n return_v to_o the_o historical_a part_n of_o his_o discourse_n sect._n 6._o he_o tell_v we_o that_o in_o the_o begin_n of_o queâ—n_n eliz._n reign_n the_o exile_v return_v from_o abroad_o with_o secret_a dislike_n of_o the_o ceremony_n but_o the_o act_n of_o conformity_n be_v pass_v and_o the_o use_v of_o the_o liturgy_n strict_o enjoin_v there_o be_v no_o separation_n some_o of_o they_o accept_v of_o preferment_n in_o
form_n of_o worship_n and_o if_o there_o be_v where_o be_v it_o forbid_v but_o in_o this_o commandment_n or_o let_v he_o give_v we_o any_o reason_n why_o humane_a invention_n relate_v to_o the_o manner_n and_o form_n of_o worship_n be_v not_o forbid_v as_o well_o as_o these_o that_o relate_v to_o the_o way_n of_o it_o a_o reason_n indeed_o he_o pretend_v to_o give_v otherwise_o say_v he_o all_o use_n of_o man_n invention_n as_o to_o preach_v read_v interpret_n scripture_n will_v be_v forbid_v and_o then_o this_o interpretation_n of_o the_o second_o command_n will_v be_v unlawful_a because_o it_o be_v a_o mere_a invention_n of_o man_n as_o much_o as_o liturgy_n and_o ceremony_n if_o this_o be_v to_o reason_n like_o a_o divine_a or_o to_o quibble_n like_o a_o sophister_n let_v the_o reader_n judge_n for_o the_o invention_n that_o man_n make_v use_v of_o in_o preach_v etc._n etc._n be_v the_o act_n or_o exercise_v of_o their_o faculty_n whereby_o they_o find_v out_o the_o mind_n of_o god_n the_o invention_n in_o god_n worship_n that_o we_o â—ow_o debate_v about_o be_v object_n find_v out_o by_o man_n not_o command_v by_o god._n if_o man_n devise_v unrevealed_a object_n in_o read_v preach_a etc._n etc._n we_o condemn_v they_o in_o that_o as_o well_o as_o in_o devise_v way_n of_o worship_v god_n and_o if_o the_o dr._n mean_v that_o this_o exposition_n of_o the_o second_o commandment_n be_v a_o invention_n of_o man_n that_o be_v the_o exercise_n of_o his_o inventive_a faculty_n whereby_o he_o find_v out_o the_o mind_n of_o god_n he_o speak_v wide_a from_o the_o purpose_n when_o he_o compare_v that_o with_o thing_n that_o man_n devise_v to_o worship_n god_n by_o if_o he_o mean_v that_o the_o interpretation_n be_v only_o devise_v not_o warrant_v let_v he_o prove_v that_o and_o we_o shall_v reject_v it_o sect._n 12._o i_o hope_v by_o this_o time_n the_o impartial_a reader_n may_v judge_v whether_o we_o stretch_v and_o force_v scripture_n to_o condemn_v liturgy_n and_o ceremony_n as_o the_o dr._n say_v or_o he_o do_v so_o to_o defend_v they_o that_o he_o impute_v to_o we_o blind_a and_o fetter_n our_o mind_n by_o education_n and_o read_v but_o one_o sort_n of_o book_n and_o take_v thing_n for_o grant_v which_o we_o ought_v not_o we_o resolve_v to_o bear_v patient_o and_o must_v accept_v of_o these_o instead_o of_o better_a argument_n to_o refute_v our_o principle_n his_o instance_n of_o the_o denier_n of_o infant-baptism_n prove_v full_o that_o the_o schism_n do_v not_o always_o lie_v on_o the_o imposer_n side_n though_o they_o separate_v from_o we_o because_o of_o our_o use_v it_o without_o consider_v impose_v it_o on_o they_o who_o of_o they_o have_v be_v excommunicate_v for_o not_o use_v it_o as_o we_o be_v for_o forbear_v the_o ceremony_n if_o man_n will_v separate_v because_o the_o ordinance_n of_o god_n be_v impose_v on_o they_o let_v they_o answer_v it_o we_o scruple_n only_o the_o ordinance_n of_o man_n neither_o do_v we_o ever_o say_v that_o the_o blame_n of_o separation_n do_v in_o all_o câ—ses_n lie_v on_o the_o imposer_n and_o we_o confess_v that_o where_o impose_v term_n of_o communion_n be_v scruple_v through_o mistake_n they_o that_o separate_v on_o that_o scruple_n do_v sin_n and_o we_o yield_v also_o to_o he_o that_o not_o the_o pretence_n of_o conscience_n but_o sufficient_a proof_n of_o the_o unlawfulness_n of_o the_o term_n of_o communion_n be_v a_o good_a ground_n of_o separation_n and_o we_o still_o desire_v that_o the_o matter_n may_v be_v put_v to_o that_o issue_n sect._n 13._o he_o proceed_v next_o to_o set_v â—orth_o the_o principle_n of_o they_o who_o hold_v all_o act_n of_o communion_n with_o the_o church_n of_o england_n unlawful_a of_o they_o he_o have_v little_a to_o say_v their_o mind_n as_o he_o say_v be_v easy_o discover_v and_o we_o be_v not_o concern_v in_o that_o opinion_n and_o therefore_o shall_v not_o insist_v on_o it_o only_o i_o see_v not_o on_o what_o ground_n the_o dr._n name_v the_o author_n of_o the_o book_n call_v jerubbaal_n as_o one_o that_o be_v against_o the_o lawfulness_n of_o hear_v the_o conform_v minister_n preach_v for_o that_o author_n 〈◊〉_d p._n 12._o of_o himself_o and_o other_o who_o mr._n c._n have_v charge_v with_o schism_n because_o they_o can_v not_o communicate_v with_o she_o in_o the_o liturgy_n that_o they_o join_v with_o she_o in_o the_o institute_v worship_n and_o substantial_a ordinance_n of_o christ_n as_o prayer_n hear_v of_o the_o word_n preach_v sing_v of_o psalm_n etc._n etc._n sect_n iv._o the_o dr_n state_v of_o the_o question_n examine_v and_o the_o question_n true_o state_v the_o several_a principle_n of_o the_o dissenter_n have_v be_v examinedâ—_n the_o dr._n now_o proceed_v to_o state_n the_o question_n about_o separation_n some_o think_v this_o shall_v have_v be_v do_v before_o examine_v of_o the_o principle_n on_o which_o man_n separate_v but_o the_o dr._n must_v use_v his_o own_o method_n and_o we_o must_v follow_v he_o in_o examine_v what_o he_o say_v he_o give_v we_o sect._n 15._o his_o concession_n which_o i_o shall_v say_v little_a of_o save_v to_o make_v a_o remark_n on_o one_o or_o two_o of_o they_o and_o 1._o his_o three_o concession_n be_v he_o can_v allow_v different_z mode_n of_o worship_n in_o cathedral_n and_o parochial_a church_n in_o public_a and_o private_a administration_n these_o be_v allow_v by_o the_o church_n in_o who_o communion_n we_o live_v but_o what_o be_v this_o say_v he_o to_o the_o deny_v of_o constant_a communion_n with_o our_o church_n to_o the_o choose_n of_o new_a pastor_n it_o be_v true_a these_o be_v two_o different_a thing_n the_o difference_n be_v the_o one_o be_v allow_v by_o the_o church_n the_o other_o not_o so_o but_o consider_v the_o thing_n in_o themselves_o and_o abstract_v from_o the_o church_n pleasure_n and_o there_o will_v appear_v to_o be_v as_o little_a uniformity_n between_o cathedral_n and_o parochial_a worship_n as_o between_o their_o parochial_a worship_n and_o that_o use_v in_o the_o meeting_n of_o the_o dissenter_n now_o we_o glad_o will_v know_v of_o the_o dr._n or_o any_o of_o his_o party_n see_v the_o church_n can_v yield_v so_o far_o to_o parochial_a assembly_n as_o not_o to_o tie_v they_o to_o the_o same_o mode_n with_o cathedral_n assembly_n because_o they_o can_v go_v to_o the_o expense_n of_o it_o and_o see_v the_o church_n dispense_v with_o cross_v in_o prâ—vate_a baptism_n why_o may_v she_o not_o condescend_v so_o far_o to_o the_o dissenter_n who_o can_v for_o their_o conscience_n use_v these_o thing_n and_o so_o shun_v this_o breach_n in_o the_o church_n this_o deny_v of_o communion_n with_o their_o church_n and_o choose_v of_o new_a pastor_n be_v the_o conscience_n of_o man_n so_o little_a to_o be_v regard_v or_o be_v it_o fit_v the_o church_n shall_v be_v so_o imperious_a over_o her_o member_n as_o that_o she_o will_v indulge_v man_n purse_n but_o not_o their_o conscience_n she_o will_v dispense_v with_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n for_o her_o pleasure_n but_o not_o for_o people_n conscience_n when_o they_o can_v show_v good_a reason_n for_o what_o they_o think_v and_o make_v conscience_n of_o this_o be_v whole_o unaccountable_a and_o very_o inconsistent_a with_o those_o high_a pretension_n that_o our_o brethren_n make_v of_o regard_n to_o peace_n and_o unity_n sect._n 2._o another_o remark_n i_o make_v of_o his_o four_o concession_n that_o the_o church_n allow_v a_o different_a mode_n of_o worship_n to_o foreign_a church_n set_v up_o in_o england_n because_o they_o break_v not_o off_o communion_n with_o the_o church_n of_o england_n as_o they_o do_v who_o be_v baptise_a in_o it_o but_o why_o may_v not_o the_o church_n be_v as_o kind_a to_o her_o own_o member_n as_o to_o stranger_n if_o the_o ceremony_n be_v necessary_a why_o shall_v the_o neglect_n of_o they_o be_v permit_v to_o any_o if_o unnecessary_a why_o shall_v they_o be_v force_v on_o man_n conscience_n to_o the_o rend_v of_o 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inclination_n and_o think_v the_o dr._n can_v charge_v we_o with_o any_o thing_n to_o the_o contrary_a in_o practice_n wherefore_o it_o be_v without_o all_o reason_n that_o he_o date_v the_o presbyterian_a separation_n from_o that_o time_n p._n 23._o their_o build_a meeting-house_n and_o use_v separate_a meeting_n p._n 24._o will_v not_o prove_v it_o for_o the_o one_o they_o do_v before_o and_o the_o other_o be_v but_o a_o more_o public_a own_n of_o what_o be_v their_o private_a practice_n when_o under_o the_o lash_n of_o the_o persecution_n defend_v their_o practice_n by_o writing_n be_v no_o proof_n neither_o if_o he_o can_v prove_v that_o they_o do_v it_o on_o principle_n that_o will_v justify_v any_o separation_n let_v they_o be_v blame_v but_o this_o i_o suppose_v drop_v from_o his_o pen_n without_o due_a consideration_n that_o they_o choose_v minister_n one_o after_o another_o be_v as_o little_a proof_n as_o the_o rest_n how_o to_o judge_v i_o know_v not_o of_o what_o his_o 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unto_o day_n utter_v speech_n to_o discover_v the_o siding_n of_o that_o party_n with_o the_o enemy_n of_o our_o religion_n that_o the_o papist_n design_v to_o force_v all_o to_o seek_v a_o general_a toleration_n be_v not_o unlikely_a but_o that_o nonconformist_n do_v desire_v or_o seek_v it_o be_v unjust_o insinuate_v sect._n 26._o when_o i_o consider_v what_o he_o write_v p._n 33_o 34._o i_o see_v cause_n to_o retort_v his_o own_o word_n on_o he_o which_o he_o use_v p._n 23._o if_o such_o bold_a and_o notorious_a untruth_n be_v publish_v now_o what_o account_n may_v we_o expect_v will_v be_v give_v to_o posterity_n of_o the_o passage_n of_o these_o time_n he_o do_v represent_v the_o nonconformist_n very_o unfair_o if_o not_o very_o false_o as_o that_o on_o the_o discovery_n of_o the_o popish_a plot_n the_o nonconformist_n seem_v to_o be_v like_a man_n rouse_v out_o of_o a_o deep_a sleep_n amazed_z confound_v fearful_a of_o every_o thing_n mistrust_v all_o that_o be_v not_o in_o 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etc._n do_v rather_o make_v against_o than_o for_o his_o design_n for_o it_o be_v plain_a that_o he_o put_v tippet_n etc._n etc._n in_o the_o same_o rank_n with_o shave_n crown_n and_o call_v they_o antichristian_a baggage_n and_o no_o reason_n can_v be_v give_v why_o these_o shall_v be_v so_o call_v except_o that_o they_o be_v bring_v into_o religion_n by_o man_n not_o by_o god_n which_o agree_v to_o all_o the_o ceremony_n who_o they_o be_v that_o keep_v secret_a meeting_n under_o b._n ridley_n it_o be_v needless_a to_o inquire_v the_o dr._n guess_v that_o they_o be_v furious_a anabaptist_n or_o secret_a papist_n i_o know_v no_o reason_n for_o this_o guess_n but_o because_o he_o be_v resolve_v that_o there_o shall_v be_v no_o nonconformists_a then_o such_o as_o be_v now_o but_o that_o there_o then_o be_v some_o excellent_a man_n who_o dislike_v the_o ceremony_n i_o have_v show_v that_o some_o of_o they_o do_v use_v they_o notwithstanding_o i_o acknowledge_v that_o any_o do_v 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but_o as_o nullify_n the_o church_n which_o we_o never_o plead_v for_o what_o he_o add_v p._n 35_o etc._n etc._n that_o the_o nonconformist_n when_o they_o will_v disprove_v the_o separation_n only_o prove_v the_o church_n of_o england_n to_o be_v a_o true_a church_n it_o be_v no_o wonder_n that_o they_o mind_v no_o more_o see_v that_o be_v to_o overturn_v the_o very_a foundation_n of_o the_o adverse_a cause_n but_o do_v they_o ever_o teach_v that_o we_o ought_v to_o communicate_v with_o a_o true_a church_n in_o those_o part_n of_o her_o worship_n that_o be_v sinful_a which_o be_v the_o one_o half_a of_o the_o controversy_n that_o we_o now_o manage_v he_o insult_v much_o in_o a_o assertion_n of_o the_o nonconformist_n p._n 36._o at_o the_o end_n that_o the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v a_o true_a church_n of_o christ_n and_o such_o a_o one_o as_o from_o which_o whosoever_o witting_o and_o continual_o separate_v himself_o cut_v himself_o off_o from_o christ._n i_o may_v say_v as_o 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de_fw-la pectore_fw-la and_o in_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr oratiore_fw-la he_o show_v that_o there_o be_v many_o thing_n to_o be_v ask_v according_a to_o every_o one_o occasion_n the_o lord_n prayer_n be_v lay_v as_o a_o foundation_n where_o the_o true_a use_n of_o the_o lord_n prayer_n note_n that_o by_o the_o way_n be_v hint_v to_o wit_n to_o be_v a_o directory_n not_o a_o form._n socrates_n hist._n eccles._n lib._n 5._o c._n 21._o which_o be_v whole_o spend_v in_o show_v what_o diversity_n of_o usage_n be_v in_o the_o primitive_a time_n in_o divers_a place_n and_o how_o little_a weight_n be_v lay_v on_o uniformity_n the_o great_a argument_n for_o the_o common-prayer_n have_v these_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d that_o be_v general_o and_o every_o where_o in_o all_o religion_n in_o prayer_n there_o be_v not_o two_o to_o be_v find_v that_o agree_v in_o one_o which_o sure_o must_v be_v mean_v of_o agreement_n in_o the_o same_o word_n sect._n 5._o a_o three_o argument_n for_o this_o be_v such_o impose_v do_v thwart_o one_o great_a design_n of_o prayer_n in_o public_a which_o be_v to_o lay_v out_o before_o the_o lord_n all_o the_o several_a case_n of_o the_o people_n or_o the_o church_n their_o sin_n and_o want_n which_o do_v so_o vary_v that_o no_o book_n can_v suit_v they_o all_o i_o be_o sure_o we_o do_v not_o if_o it_o be_v answer_v thâ—s_v design_n may_v be_v answer_v by_o leave_v a_o liberty_n to_o minister_n sometime_o as_o afâ—er_v sermon_n 〈◊〉_d use_n their_o gift_n i_o reply_v that_o this_o liberty_n do_v frustrate_v the_o design_n of_o set_a prayer_n which_o be_v to_o prevent_v vent_v of_o error_n and_o indecency_n be_v not_o that_o hazard_n in_o permit_v prayer_n after_o sermon_n as_o well_o
and_o therefore_o much_o more_o than_o such_o a_o foolish_a ceremony_n 3._o if_o this_o argument_n prove_v any_o thing_n it_o will_v make_v it_o our_o duty_n rather_o to_o bow_v to_o he_o when_o his_o name_n be_v mention_v in_o blasphemy_n or_o swear_v then_o such_o a_o testimony_n be_v more_o needful_a than_o when_o all_o present_a be_v worship_v he_o sect._n 29._o argument_n 3._o it_o be_v superstitious_a worship_n not_o only_o on_o the_o account_n of_o its_o not_o be_v command_v but_o also_o because_o it_o be_v impossible_a to_o make_v that_o use_n of_o a_o name_n without_o ascribe_v more_o to_o it_o than_o be_v due_a to_o a_o word_n or_o any_o external_a sign_n i_o know_v our_o brethren_n will_v deny_v all_o respect_n to_o the_o word_n and_o affirm_v that_o it_o be_v only_o the_o person_n of_o the_o redeemer_n that_o they_o reverence_n and_o i_o be_o oblige_v to_o believe_v that_o they_o make_v not_o the_o name_n the_o objectum_fw-la terminans_fw-la of_o any_o part_n of_o their_o worship_n yet_o the_o set_v such_o a_o mark_n of_o discrimination_n on_o that_o name_n from_o other_o and_o giving_z such_o reverence_n on_o that_o occasion_n be_v such_o a_o violent_a presumption_n of_o some_o inward_a respect_n to_o that_o word_n rather_o than_o to_o another_o of_o equal_a excellency_n that_o a_o man_n ought_v not_o to_o believe_v himself_o when_o he_o deny_v it_o of_o himself_o much_o less_o be_v other_o oblige_v to_o believe_v he_o especial_o the_o church-guide_n who_o impose_v this_o must_v either_o see_v some_o reason_n for_o it_o or_o none_o if_o none_o it_o be_v church-tyranny_n to_o impose_v so_o arbitrary_o in_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n if_o they_o see_v a_o reason_n that_o reason_n can_v shun_v to_o be_v superstitious_a to_o wit_n a_o make_v a_o difference_n in_o this_o name_n from_o other_o where_o there_o be_v no_o such_o difference_n and_o if_o it_o be_v possible_a to_o free_v the_o mind_n of_o superstitious_a conceit_n in_o this_o matter_n it_o be_v 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easy_o apply_v sect._n 30._o argument_n 4._o it_o be_v impossible_a to_o observe_v this_o usage_n punctual_o without_o have_v the_o mind_n divert_v from_o that_o attention_n to_o the_o other_o act_n of_o religion_n that_o be_v fit_a man_n may_v talk_v what_o they_o will_v but_o common_a experience_n will_v convince_v the_o unbiased_a that_o it_o be_v impossible_a to_o hear_v with_o serious_a attention_n towards_o the_o matter_n read_v or_o otherwise_o speak_v to_o go_v along_o with_o it_o in_o the_o heart_n and_o at_o the_o same_o time_n to_o be_v ready_a at_o the_o sound_n of_o the_o word_n jesus_n to_o catch_v it_o and_o to_o use_v the_o reverence_n require_v i_o appeal_v to_o the_o experience_n of_o they_o who_o do_v serious_o mind_v this_o bow_n whether_o their_o mind_n be_v not_o take_v up_o with_o thought_n about_o the_o word_n wait_v for_o it_o before_o they_o hear_v it_o so_o as_o they_o can_v at_o the_o same_o time_n mind_n what_o else_o be_v speak_v as_o they_o ought_v here_o we_o may_v apply_v that_o adage_n vides_fw-la aliquem_fw-la de_fw-la vocibus_fw-la solicitum_fw-la scito_fw-la animum_fw-la in_o pusillis_fw-la occupatum_fw-la the_o mind_n can_v be_v intent_n on_o two_o thing_n at_o once_o such_o as_o be_v one_o single_a word_n and_o the_o matter_n of_o a_o coherent_a discourse_n argument_n 5._o it_o be_v a_o usage_n unknown_a to_o the_o apostolic_a &_o pure_a primitive_a time_n of_o the_o church_n yea_o it_o be_v among_o the_o most_o novel_a invention_n of_o the_o late_a and_o more_o corrupt_a time_n of_o the_o church_n under_o the_o antichristian_a apostasy_n no_o mention_n of_o it_o till_o the_o middle_n of_o the_o 13_o century_n it_o be_v never_o enjoin_v till_o council_n lugdunens_n 1273._o and_o basilien_n 1431._o argument_n 6_o it_o have_v be_v gross_o abuse_v to_o superstition_n and_o idolatry_n in_o the_o popish_a church_n and_o therefore_o be_v confess_v to_o be_v a_o indifferent_a thing_n it_o ought_v to_o be_v abolish_v in_o a_o council_n at_o auspurg_n this_o bow_v be_v enjoin_v at_o the_o name_n of_o the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n of_o the_o virgin_n mary_n and_o several_a other_o of_o their_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d council_n lugdun_fw-la it_o be_v enjoin_v chief_o in_o the_o mass._n it_o argue_v a_o strange_a respect_n to_o that_o way_n thus_o to_o symbolize_v with_o they_o in_o their_o usage_n that_o have_v no_o warrant_n in_o the_o word_n and_o by_o so_o do_v to_o differ_v from_o all_o protestant_a church_n sect._n 31._o i_o come_v now_o to_o attend_v the_o doctor_n be_v debate_n with_o mr._n a._n about_o this_o matter_n where_o i_o be_o trouble_v to_o find_v the_o dr._n treat_v his_o adversary_n with_o such_o contempt_n and_o indecent_a reflection_n on_o his_o learning_n which_o make_v he_o be_v honour_v in_o the_o eye_n of_o man_n as_o able_a to_o discern_v as_o they_o who_o despise_v he_o tell_v we_o he_o have_v before_o defence_v these_o thing_n as_o require_v by_o the_o church_n against_o 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than_o go_v to_o church_n at_o toll_v of_o a_o bell._n to_o which_o mr._n a._n reply_v that_o it_o be_v motivum_fw-la cultus_fw-la at_o least_o and_o so_o more_o than_o the_o toll_n of_o a_o bell_n to_o call_v people_n to_o church_n and_o he_o add_v that_o a_o image_n may_v as_o well_o give_v warning_n to_o the_o eye_n to_o worship_n as_o a_o bell_n to_o the_o ear_n here_o mr._n a._n be_v far_o from_o either_o plead_n for_o popish_a tenet_n or_o use_v popish_a weapon_n but_o show_v the_o absurdity_n of_o the_o doctor_n be_v opinion_n by_o a_o parallel_n opinion_n of_o the_o papist_n which_o the_o dr._n condemn_v which_o be_v a_o good_a way_n of_o reason_v ad_fw-la hominem_fw-la and_o need_v not_o be_v so_o cry_v out_o against_o the_o dr._n give_v some_o good_a reason_n why_o image_n be_v not_o to_o be_v use_v in_o worship_n but_o he_o do_v not_o touch_v the_o point_n in_o hand_n between_z him_z and_o mr._n a._n who_o never_o intend_v to_o parallel_v a_o bell_n and_o image_n any_o further_a than_o this_o that_o a_o bell_n in_o the_o act_n of_o worship_n the_o sound_n of_o the_o word_n jesus_n be_v in_o the_o same_o quality_n must_v be_v motivum_fw-la cultus_fw-la and_o so_o be_v a_o image_n therefore_o if_o a_o image_n not_o only_o on_o other_o account_n that_o the_o dr._n mention_v but_o even_o on_o account_n of_o this_o low_a use_n of_o it_o its_o being_n motivum_fw-la cultus_fw-la be_v evil_a so_o be_v the_o sound_n of_o the_o word_n jesus_n sect._n 32._o the_o dr._n expose_v mr._n a._n as_o a_o crack_a delirious_a man_n for_o say_v that_o the_o papist_n go_v too_o far_o in_o prefer_v a_o image_n high_o than_o to_o be_v motivum_fw-la cultus_fw-la but_o the_o question_n be_v whether_o they_o do_v not_o sin_n in_o apply_v
by_o lawful_a authority_n man_n who_o be_v zealous_o and_o godly_a affect_v may_v not_o with_o any_o good_a conscience_n approve_v they_o use_v they_o or_o as_o occasion_n require_v subscribe_v to_o they_o let_v he_o be_v excommunicate_v ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la and_o not_o restore_v until_o he_o repent_v and_o public_o revoke_v these_o his_o wicked_a error_n the_o dr._n have_v a_o subtle_a distinction_n here_o between_o but_o affirm_v which_o term_n mr._n b._n have_v use_v and_o affirm_v one_o will_v think_v that_o affirm_v and_o no_o more_o add_v to_o it_o signify_v no_o more_o than_o but_o affirm_v but_o the_o dr._n say_v that_o affirm_v signify_v these_o circumstance_n which_o according_a to_o the_o common_a sense_n of_o mankind_n do_v deserve_v excommunication_n viz._n that_o it_o be_v do_v public_o and_o obstinate_o what_o ground_n the_o dr._n have_v for_o this_o criticism_n i_o know_v not_o i_o be_o sure_a his_o citation_n out_o of_o augustine_n that_o a_o man_n be_v bear_v with_o 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