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A30899 Quakerism confirmed, or, A vindication of the chief doctrines and principles of the people called Qvakers from the arguments and objections of the students of divinity (so called) of Aberdeen in their book entituled Quakerism convassed [sic] by Robert Barclay and George Keith. Barclay, Robert, 1648-1690.; Keith, George, 1639?-1716. 1676 (1676) Wing B733; ESTC R37061 83,121 93

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